Stop it. Stop it right here Douggg. You got the angel part all wrong.
The angels in greek is [
aggelos] "MEANS"
Messengers! It is not even in debate! Look, yes, it is "translated" angel in places only because angels "are messenger," and a TRANSLATOR may have thought angel would be best in this case or that. But this is the same word which spoke of John the Baptist as the "messenger" of God. Read carefully:
Mat 11:10
(10) For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my
messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
This word "translated" Messenger here is the EXACT same word [aggelos] as found in Revelation speaking of the seven angels/messengers in Revelation 1-3. There is NO difference. You do understand that, don't you? Becasue you cannot seem to get that part straight. There is no difference between the words. Not at all! Is John the Baptist a celestial angel of God? No, he is a messenger of God or an inspired word used there and go with the translation!
I'm actually declaring that God knows Scripture better than
All Of Us! I'm declaring that it's better to get our interpretations from His word as written, rather than the
translators beliefs or the
suppositions of man concerning what is written. I'm declaring that when God illustrates that the 7 messengers of the 7 churches are
men, I'm not going to claim they are angels just because some church leaders or translators "suppose" that this is what they were, like you do. That's no way to correctly exegete Scripture. I'm declaring that when the Apostle Paul declared that
we should not forget to entertain strangers (
Hebrews 13:2) because many have unknowingly entertained Messengers of God that way, I'm not going to claim they're "angels" simply because church leaders or translators of old "supposed" that they are celestial beings, and had written that down. I'll ask you the same question that I asked before--which remains unanswered. Do you know the
original Old Testament Hebrew text never once had the word Angel in it? If this is true, why was it suddenly put there in place of the word [
malak] or as a substitution for messenger? Was the word messenger insufficient, or is that the exact word God intended when He inspired [
malak]? Moreover, is the Messenger of the Covenant the same as the
Angel of the Covenant? Or more to the point,
is Christ an Angel of the Covenant? Sure, supernatural beings, christophanies, the Spirit, etc., are messengers of God. I assume you are a messenger of God, but you're not an angel. The point is that the person who allows God (
the author of Scripture) to define and interpret Scripture (
rather than men or tradition), is often wiser than his teachers, according to God.
Psalms 119:99-100
- "I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
- I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts."
What is the point here? Who has more understanding according to God? Is it the disciple (
student) who leans upon the precepts and testimonies of God's word alone and in its entirety, or is it the teacher who uses apriorisms, conjecture and makes suppositions and assumptions? Should I presume the 7 messengers of the 7 churches are angels because someone else did, or should I compare Scripture with Scripture to define and determine that they were in fact exactly what the word [
angelos] means,
messengers? I stand with righteous Joseph who rhetorically asked, "
do not interpretations belong to God?" Indeed they do.
Malachi 3:1
- "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."
Q.E.D., it is proven that if Jesus Christ was NOT an Angel and John the Baptist was
not an Angel, then to any intelligent and sober thinking individual the word
cannot actually mean angel. It can be "applied to" an angel or other envoy or supernatural being who is a messenger of God, but it cannot "mean" Angel. It's just a matter of common sense and rational judgment and thinking.
...not that most Christians apply that type of reasoning or thinking.
The 7th trumpet sounding announces what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is. Revelation 8:13.
What will going to happen when the third woe comes exactly? Show me the Scripture to see if you understand what Scripture is talking about.
The 7th angel sounds his trumpet, after the 1260 days of the two witnesses, in Revelation 11:15.
Rev 11:13-15
(13) And the
same hour was there a great earthquake, and the
tenth part of the city fell, and in the
earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the
remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
(14) The
second woe is past; and, behold, the
third woe cometh quickly.
(15) And the
seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The
kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Exactly what happens after the 1,260 days of faithful testimony? The second woe which is the judgment of the unfaithful city (church). That will be under the 6th trumpet. However the third woe is the seventh trumpet for it is the LAST TRUMP when Christ returns and Saints raptured. That will be when the kingdom of the world becomes His and His Saints. So you are right to claim that the sound of the 7th angel to occur right after 1,260 days of Two Witnesses' testimony in the church. Selah.
The 7 angels stand before God in heaven. Revelation 8:1.
The completion of the Church before God in heaven. Selah! Remember the number 7 signifies completion of whatever is in view. The 7 angels (messengers) of the seven churches aren't literal angels! And God moving the candlestick (church) out of its place doesn't actually mean their church will be physically lifted up off its foundations and placed somewhere else. Some things are hard to understand, especially when bogged down in CHURCH TRADITIONS. It is up to us to be as the more noble Bereans and carefully consider things "in the light" of the WHOLE BIBLE! Not taking single verse out of context and say, oh it must be angel from heaven sounding their literal trumpet the the Atlantic ocean will become blood. Silly thoughts!
When the 7th angel begins to sound, it signals Michael to take his angels, and cast Satan and his angels down to earth, to begin the fulfillment of the mystery of God to take the kingdoms of this world out from under their evil involvement. In Revelation 12:7-9, following the 1260 days of the two witnesses feeding the woman Israel and her seed, the Jews, the Word of God in Revelation 12:6, the war in the second heaven will take place.
You got Revelation 12 wrong. The war between Michael (Christ) and his angels (human messengers like Peter, Matthew, John and all followers) fought against Satan's angels (human messengers like Judas, Pharisees, Scribes and all Jews who rejects Christ). The woman in Revelation 12 represents the congregation of Israel. Her seeds are the Elect, first the Jews and the Gentiles. The Old Testament congregation fell at the Cross. The kingdom representative was taken from her. And in three days, Christ has given the kingdom representative to the New Testament congregation which the woman NOW represents. Christ went back into heaven and to His Throne. He has bind Satan an d cast out of old testament congregaiton that was fallen and have empowered His New Testament congregation to start with their great commission into the wilderness (world) where she will preach gospel to the lost safe from Satan's reach (because he was bound for that purpose!). It is not something that will happen in the future as your false interpretation alleges. So, the sound of the seventh angel in Revelation 11:15 has
nothing to do with the war between Christ and his angels and Satan and his angels in the Old Testament that was already fought right prior to the Cross. The 7th trumpet (which is actually "THEE" Last Trump) will NOT occur until
AFTER the building of the New Testament congregation is finished, all elect are secured ("after all gentiles be coming in"), the two witnesses' testimony for salvation gospel is finished, and Satan being loosened from bottomless pit to be used as a judgment upon unfaithful New Testament congregation.
Selah!
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