Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

The #1 issue with wives today, emasculation.

 

[Mink57]

I would answer, because you lack the humility to ask for help.

An excerpt from my post #1125:

Another story? I had a boyfriend for a few years. One day, I was outside trying to change out the headlamp in HIS car while he was inside. I wrestled with the thing for about 30 minutes. Admitted defeat and asked him for help. He smirked, like "HA! You can't even twist off a lighbulb yourself! You need ME for help!" So, he went outside and tried to twist the thing off himself.

Obviously, I have humility enough to ASK FOR HELP...WHEN I NEED HELP.
IF a woman needs help from a man, she's 'needy'.
IF a woman doesn't need help from a man, she's an evil man-hating feminist.

There are plenty of Youtube vids of feminists complaining about this too. Feeling so entitled, that men should help them even though they told men for decades that don't need a man AND even made tic toe vids mocking men who helped women AND never repented by expressing humility to humbly ask for help.

Whoa, time out, Wrangler. When some feminists say that they "don't need a man", they don't mean that they don't EVER need a man for ANYTHING. What they mean is, they don't need to be in a romantic relationship with a man in order to be HAPPY. Many women who have dropped out of the dating game have reported years later of being HAPPIER without having a romantic relationship.

And it seems like a bunch of men aren't too happy about that.

Gone are the days when a woman lived at home until a man scooped her up to marry her. She went from relying on her parents to relying on her husband for her very survival. Would YOU like to rely on someone for YOUR survival?

These days, women can afford to be less tolerant of a mans bad behavior. Abuse, infidelity, emotional neglect, domestic responsibilities falling MOSTLY on HER lap, etc. Yeah, the modern woman doesn't have to take it anymore.

Funny how you complain about women not asking for help, and yet feeling entitled to help without asking. And yet, which gender is NOTORIOUS for not asking for help? MEN! Asking for help from another man makes him feel weak. But asking for help from a woman? Unthinkable!

 

[Wrangler]

Why women don't like (good) men? Accountability. This narrator specifically observed that some women deliberately date bad men is because good men hold them accountable to the truth.

 

[Mink57]

Why women don't like (good) men? Accountability. This narrator specifically observed that some women deliberately date bad men is because good men hold them accountable to the truth.

This "chick" as YOU would say, needs to get a clue.

 

[Wynona]

Gone are the days when a woman lived at home until a man scooped her up to marry her. She went from relying on her parents to relying on her husband for her very survival. Would YOU like to rely on someone for YOUR survival?

These days, women can afford to be less tolerant of a mans bad behavior. Abuse, infidelity, emotional neglect, domestic responsibilities falling MOSTLY on HER lap, etc. Yeah, the modern woman doesn't have to take it anymore.

I do see this as feminism's strongest arguement. What happens when the marriage track ends in a man being a cheater, abuser, or dying early?

This was why I was taught from an early age to go to college for a degree.

However, in my own life, living to plan for those events undermined my investment into I my marriage. The college education took time, resources, and attention away from my husband when we got started. By trying to set myself up for independence as plan A, my husband knew in his heart he was plan B. This led to many arguments and at least three separations in the early years.

It's not that every man is a vast untapped potential. The problem was, because of feminism's insistence on independence first, I did not give my husband or the marriage a proper chance from the beginning.

There are some situations where the man will never choose to get better. God still wants wives to obey His Word regardless because pleasing Him comes first. But God wanted me to see that my marriage was not a mistake. That I needed to humble myself and give my man a real chance to be the spiritual leader I asked him to be from the beginning.

 

[Wrangler]

5 inequalities between the sexes

 

[Mink57]

The #1 issue with wives today, emasculation.

Emasculation? Maybe if so many men didn't have such big EGOS in the first place, they wouldn't feel emasculated.

Plenty of men out there have NO PROBLEM with a woman doing a 'traditional' man's job.

There's a lot of women out there who do the traditional man's job. Why? SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

Ever think of it THAT way, Wrangler? Did you ever think for one IOTA of a second that I would have NO PROBLEM changing a tire on HIS car so HE could chill out and watch the game on t.v.? The day I got a flat, I changed my own dang tire. I got BLASTED for NOT calling him, yet I knew if I DID call him for 'help', I'd get BLASTED for 'interrupting' him (probably watching porn).

Years ago, I had a (male) boss. He asked me what I thought my job was. I told him that "MY JOB IS TO MAKE YOUR JOB EASIER." I felt that way about my husbands, too.

But here's the thing. After doing just about EVERYTHING, including plumbing work, or woodwork, etc, I'm "emasculating" him. If I DON'T do these things, and leave those "traditional" tasks to HIM, I'm WEAK and WORTHLESS.

You can't have it BOTH ways. FIGURE it out.

 

[Mink57]

I do see this as feminism's strongest arguement. What happens when the marriage track ends in a man being a cheater, abuser, or dying early?

This was why I was taught from an early age to go to college for a degree.

However, in my own life, living to plan for those events undermined my investment into I my marriage. The college education took time, resources, and attention away from my husband when we got started. By trying to set myself up for independence as plan A, my husband knew in his heart he was plan B. This led to many arguments and at least three separations in the early years.

It's not that every man is a vast untapped potential. The problem was, because of feminism's insistence on independence first, I did not give my husband or the marriage a proper chance from the beginning.

That all depends on the woman. I have no problem doting on a man. I DO have a problem when I dote on a man, and I get NOTHING BUT DISDAIN IN RETURN. Yes, I'm independent. Have been for many years. But jeez...why hold that AGAINST me if it BENEFITS YOU? Why EXPLOIT that? THAT'S what feminsm tries to combat!

There are some situations where the man will never choose to get better. God still wants wives to obey His Word regardless because pleasing Him comes first.

Nope. Don't agree. Even Paul said that SOME men will NEVER get with God...hence, the allowance for separation.

But God wanted me to see that my marriage was not a mistake. That I needed to humble myself and give my man a real chance to be the spiritual leader I asked him to be from the beginning.

I understand that you don't have a whole bunch of kids right now. Just wait until you do. Your tune just might change.

 

[Wrangler]

Emasculation? Maybe if

Maybe if you could get your arms around RESPONSIBILITY, rather than summarily blaming men the world would be a better place.

Speaking of EGO's; feminists ego's are so big, you cannot even acknowledge its existence.

 

[Mink57]

Maybe if you could get your arms around RESPONSIBILITY, rather than summarily blaming men the world would be a better place.

Speaking of EGO's; feminists ego's are so big, you cannot even acknowledge its existence.

Oh knock it off about "responsibility" or SOME feminists EGOS, Wrangler.

This WHOLE thread started with the "Ideal Wife" in Proverbs 31. Yup, yup. Then read Prvs. 31:

"She also rises while it is yet night,
And provides food for her household,
And a portion for her maidservants."

This woman has HELP. Today's woman...doesn't. Unless you, as her husband, are either willing to get her help, or step up yourselves....

 

[Wrangler]

Oh knock it off about "responsibility" ... Unless you, as her husband, are either willing to ....

 

[Mink57]

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I can laugh just as easily, buddy boy....

 

[Wynona]

Ignoring the differences between men and women is only somewhat possible in a society where technology and civilization make things relatively safe.

Suppose an armed intruder enters our home? Am I just as apt to confront him 7 months pregnant as my husband or our male roommate?

I suppose we could ignore that it usually takes two minutes for me to turn over in the bed and get out of it these days. I'd get a spike of adrenaline and a fight, flight, or freeze reaponse like any person. I could reach for the gun and try to remember the steps to get the safety off and the handful of times I practiced loading the clip, pointing, and aiming.

Gender equity: I can try to defend our home and unborn child even as a pregnant woman, why shouldn't I do it?

Men, after all, don't have bullet proof bodies either. They feel fear too. My husband may not feel like confronting a bad guy.

But like all men, my husband has 15 times more testosterone than me. He is 6' 4 to my 5' 8. He has horse legs, a barrel chest, can open pickle jars without help, and took on a love of gun ranges almost the second we found out we were having a daughter the previous year. He has a concealed carry license.

And even if he wasn't all those things, he's a Christian.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; (Ephesians 5:25)

He is called to, like Christ, give himself up. How unfair. How unequal! How...righteous.

It is because of biblical patriarchy that we know that the superior strength and ordained authority of men is not some license to indulge but an obligation to sacrifice if at all necessary. My vulnerability right now or even at any point is not the best match for the armed intruder.

My husband would argue that the best thing, if he was not already awake, would be for him to wake him and get baby girl, myself, and unborn son to safety while he confronts the intruder with the gun and all that crazy gun training.

In fact, he talks about dangerous scenarios and situations and how to survive them very often. All his favorite games are based on surviving with very little resources. Im not sure I entirely understand it. I do not spend my free time prepping for battles. But it's a nice feeling.

I like biblical patriarchy because of the unfair advantages it gives me. No matter how much I cook, clean, submit, or get up at night to soothe babies...I will likely outlive my husband. And he prefers this.
It is not about survival at all costs for it's own sake, but the fulfillment of doing things that really need to be done no matter how risky it is

 

[Wynona]

IOut of respect for God and His Word, I embraced femininity more.

I went on a modesty journey, wearing more skirts and dresses, but less focused on getting so many of them.

I began learning about respect and submission within marriage. Not easy. I had no one to mirror. I began relying on the Holy Spirit for things like timing, tone of voice, and learning to bring up my wants in a direct and respectful way.

I embraced my desire to not work a job anymore or finish my university degree.

I learned to bake bread.

I caved to the desire for babies.

But my husband fears the Lord too. He became more masculine.

He has always enjoyed letting me decide his clothes and appearance. I like an understated, unflashy, in-charge type of look.

His politics shifted towards libertarianism, than conservatism. Pro capitalism.

He embraces stoicism as a masculine virtue.

Jordan Peterson. Nick Frietas.

Survival based novels, games, hobbies.

Guns.

Going through hypothetical risky scenarios and coming up with solutions as a hobby.

Zero white guilt (he's white) Plenty of risky jokes.

Sometimes I joke like I've created this monster.... a male who likes being masculine without apology. Who can go toe to toe dishing out insults with the mean black men in my family and get the upper hand. A man who gives directions that I follow. A radical feminist nightmare.

But it was the Holy Spirit that told me to avoid censoring him, softening him, to check my own urge to check him. Better to let him say "the wrong thing". Which he did often, to test and learn. But the result was way better than me reigning him in. It was him becoming a competent man in many areas of life.

He had to do it in a way I would not have expressly approved of because his mind works different. It was God who showed him how to be a man. I just got out the way.

 

[Wrangler]

Obviously, I have humility enough to ASK FOR HELP...WHEN I NEED HELP.
IF a woman needs help from a man, she's 'needy'.
IF a woman doesn't need help from a man, she's an evil man-hating feminist.

That's not what you said in post #1149.

By experience, I asked my ex husband why he doesn't help when he sees that I OBVIOUSLY need some help.

Here, you are not relying on your humility but his charity. So, which is it?

I would answer, because you lack the humility to ask for help.

Charity is morally commendable but not morally obligatory. The EGO, the sense of entitlement! OTOH, you're so much better than any man. OTOH, the owe you assistance and if they are not your slaves when you deem it, it is just another reason for you to be bitter and resentful.

Do you realize how feminism has ruined your life? This is a pre-requisute to triumphing over the addiction of the evil ideology.

 

[Wrangler]

When some feminists say that they "don't need a man", they don't mean that they don't EVER need a man for ANYTHING.

You cannot even take responsibility for the mantra's you say! So much hypocrisy. Like so much about feminism.

• Feminists want equality, except for when they don't.
• Feminists don't need a man, except for when they do.

 

[Wrangler]

And yet, which gender is NOTORIOUS for not asking for help? MEN!

LOL. You don't see men posting online resentful that people they didn't ask to help did not help.



Seriously though:

• When a woman admits weakness and vulnerability, she can expect sympathy and support.
• When a man admits weakness and vulnerability, he can expect criticism and condemnation.

Obviously, your man-hating worldview never thought about why men don't ask for help. OR the sense of entitlement that you feel that others should help you even though you do not even ask. Amazing lack of self-awareness!

 

[Mink57]

That's not what you said in post #1149.

Here, you are not relying on your humility but his charity. So, which is it?

Charity? Wrangler, if I see someone -- ANYONE -- struggling to open a door, I RUSH to open it for them. If I see someone in a wheelchair struggling to wheel themselves across the street, I offer to help (most of the time, my offer is accepted).

I don't ask for help unless I ABSOLUTELY need it. The reason has nothing to do with Feminism, but UPBRINGING. When I was 12, I came home from school in the early morning with a whopping sore throat. My grandfather was angry that he had to pick me up from school. Once I was home, my grandmother threw her hands up in the air and said, "Now I suppose I have to take care of YOU!" I told her, no. I just wanted to sleep. She left the room, satisfied. I woke up a few hours later, and my throat was killing me. I wanted some juice. I got out of bed...and collapsed to the ground. Crawled on my hands and knees to the kitchen. Opened the fridge and took several painful gulps of juice right out the jar. Crawled back to bed. At that moment, I made a conscious decision: "I will NEVER ask for help again, unless I absolutely need it!"

And I've stayed true to that ever since

Charity is morally commendable but not morally obligatory.

Is that what Jesus says?

The EGO, the sense of entitlement! OTOH, you're so much better than any man. OTOH, the owe you assistance and if they are not your slaves when you deem it, it is just another reason for you to be bitter and resentful.

Do you realize how feminism has ruined your life? This is a pre-requisute to triumphing over the addiction of the evil ideology.

Feminism didn't ruin my life.

 

[Mink57]

You cannot even take responsibility for the mantra's you say! So much hypocrisy. Like so much about feminism.

• Feminists want equality, except for when they don't.
• Feminists don't need a man, except for when they do.

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You REALLY don't understand what Feminism is all about. Once again, Feminism is about FAIRNESS.

It's about equal RIGHTS.

 

[Mink57]

LOL. You don't see men posting online resentful that people they didn't ask to help did not help.

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Oh, yes I have! Not only online, but in REAL LIFE.

Seriously though:

• When a woman admits weakness and vulnerability, she can expect sympathy and support.
• When a man admits weakness and vulnerability, he can expect criticism and condemnation.

And I think that's TOTALLY UNFAIR! I have NEVER criticized and/or condemned a man for being vulnerable or "weak".

I've mentioned that I have a "man of interest". He's in Georgia. Lives on the Florida border. He got SMACKED by Hurricane Helene (Luckily, no damage to his house or to him!). A relative told him yesterday that she's going to send him a man with a chainsaw to help him with the debris. He was laughing his butt off! "Yeah...picture it, Mink! Me and ONE man with a chainsaw!" My man of interest is about 5'8" and weighs about 130 lbs. Plus, he has a prosthetic shoulder. He has no power, no running water and sporadic cell service.

It's the relatives that criticize and condemn him for not being "bigger."...for not being able to physically handle the MASSIVE CLEANUP ALONE. He's sent me pics. The debris is UNBELIEVABLE. It would take a CREW several days to clean up his yard! And yet he's being faulted?!?

Obviously, your man-hating worldview never thought about why men don't ask for help.

Obviously, I'm not a "man-hater." And yes, I DO know why SOME men don't ask for help. For some, it's ego (I'm a man. I don't need any help). For others, it's SHAME (I'm a man. I SHOULDN'T need any help). Is that Feminism? Or SOCIETY at large? I belong to neither group in THAT regard.

OR the sense of entitlement that you feel that others should help you even though you do not even ask. Amazing lack of self-awareness!

Like I've said, if I NEED help, I ASK. But sometimes needing help is OBVIOUS.