So, in your estimation, Jesus coming to rapture His Church is not a "coming" (or parousia) of Christ?
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David in NJ
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Good Morning to all including @Douggg
Question: Who did the LORD Jesus Christ say would be 'left-behind'?
a.) Those who belong to HIM
b.) those whom HE does not know
c.) undetermined from scripture
e.) easily diagnosed from scripture
f.) none of the above
And I pointed out the error in your #1404 with my post #1408. Neither you, nor @WPM have responded to the two questions in that post.
And neither of you have been able to explain when Deuteronomy 30:2-6 will take place, leaving no Jews in the nations any longer, as they all will be taken to the land of Israel.
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I try to focus on informing others about the rapture/resurrection event and how to prepare for it. Which is to be a Christian, living in personal relationship with God the Father and His Son Jesus, and doing what God wants them to do, in living their life.
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When someone starts to give political answers you know that they have been caught on. You are obviously under big pressure here. You cannot even be honest. Is it a "coming" of Christ or not? Yes or no?
Jesus 1st coming was when He entered the world, being born of Mary.
Jesus 2nd coming into the world will be when He returns to stand on the Mt. of Olives in Zechariah 14.
Jesus coming from the third heaven to the vicinity of the earth will be for the rapture/resurrection event. Could happen anytime between now and the day that the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation in 2Thessalonians2:4.
Spiritual Israelite
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I'd have to create multiple posts to list all of the questions I've asked you in the past that you didn't answer. I have responded to your questions extensively many times and you know it. If you don't like my responses, so be it. You are trying to distract attention away from how weak your doctrine is. God's people are Christians, Douggg. The church. He doesn't care about anyone's nationality. You want things to go back to how they were in the old covenant, but we're under the new covenant now, Douggg.
That is your false interpretation of the passage and I gave you my understanding already, so I have nothing to add to what I've already said. Anyone who has any discernment knows that Matthew 24:29-31 (Mark 13:24-27) and 1 Thess 4:14-17 are the same event and Jesus is only coming from heaven once in the future and it will be in the same manner that He ascended there (Acts 1:9-11).
Spiritual Israelite
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That's not possible because Paul said in 2 Thess 2:3 that a falling away and revealing of the man of sin have to happen first before Jesus's coming when we are gathered to meet Him "in the air" or in "the vicinity of the earth" as you called it.
LOL. You are definitely cornered. Your only way out is to acknowledge the truth and abandon Pretrib, but you are so in love with your false teaching you will not let go.
So, in your estimation, is Jesus coming to rapture His Church a "coming" (or parousia) of Christ?
David in NJ
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Love that desire to see people SAVED and Live in Christ
If that is your true desire = drop the man-made ERROR of reversing scripture which is the method of deception from the Serpent.
Second Coming = Resurrection is FIRST = ALWAYS in Scripture from Genesis to Revelation
After the Resurrection of the "dead in Christ"
comes the Rapture of 'alive and remaining saints' = 1 Thessalonians & 2 Thessalonians and 1 John
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who are asleep/died.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that, we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
@Taken @marks @MA2444 @rebuilder 454 @Biblepaige
the LORD Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life
JESUS is the Way = Post-Tribber
JESUS says to all of us who Trust = "Take up your cross and follow me" = Post-Trib
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Once you get him away from his faulty charts he is absolutely lost. He cannot even answer simple questions.
Spiritual Israelite
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Spiritual Israelite
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Agree. His interpretation of 1 Thess 5:2-3 is one of the worst interpretations of scripture I've ever seen, but he thinks he is somehow disproving amil with his ludicrous arguments.
Taken
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@David in NJ
Thanks for the inclusion in your post…(even though you know we have some disagreement regarding the rapture and resurrection timing/meaning.)
Albeit…I trust we agree…the converted before physical death and the Heartful believers at their time of physical death…
Are they per Gods Order and Way, account as the saved and quickened and to be raised in a glorious body.
God bless you and yours.
Glory to God,
Taken
Thanks for the inclusion in your post…(even though you know we have some disagreement regarding the rapture and resurrection timing/meaning.)
Albeit…I trust we agree…the converted before physical death and the Heartful believers at their time of physical death…
Are they per Gods Order and Way, account as the saved and quickened and to be raised in a glorious body.
God bless you and yours.
Glory to God,
Taken
David in NJ
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The Love of Christ that you have in your heart for the Brethren, no matter pre-mid-post, is greater then knowledge!
SHALOM
Just catching up on this thread again . . . I enjoy both how you are staying on point, and are not being provoked by other member's poor behavior!
Much love!
Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. Yes, I love how you think it's okay for him to not address our points while we are expected to address all of his in great detail. That's really fair, isn't it. No bias there on your part. Yes, it's such poor behavior to expect him to address our points as well. How terrible.
Maybe you can show where Deut 30:2-6 says something about the elect being gathered both from the uttermost part of the earth and the uttermost part of heaven as Mark 13:27 says? Douggg surely is not able to do so.
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