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You dont understand this, and there is a reason for that, Bob.
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Yes, let's do that...
First, thats not true. There was only Adam when God planted the garden. Second, to say there was no evil but then to say there was only the evil one is a contradiction. If there was an evil one, there was evil.
How can there be knowledge of evil if there is no evil but there is an evil one? Furthermore, my point was that God was the one that planted it. Satan didn't plant it. God did.
What? They never worshipped the devil! They rebelled, but no... They didn't become spiritual children. Cain was of the wicked one, but not Adam and Eve. Heck... God even said Adam wasn't in the transgression.
There's another contradiction. Its his (Satan's) nature to be evil but God didn't create him to be evil? Well if that is true than it wasn't in his nature. He learned it. But the fact is that it WAS his nature... He was a murderer and a liar from the beginning. John 8:44.
No... God didn't create him to be beautiful and anointed and Satan is not Lucifer. What you have done is a big mistake many do: link a prophecy from Isaiah 14 to an entirely different prophecy in Eze 28. Yet, neither of them are about Satan.
Furthermore, as I pointed out, he was the Father of lies from the beginning. He didn't "become" the father of lies.
You have me confused with Isaiah. I didn't say he created evil. Isaiah did. I just quoted him. And Isaiah was quoting God.
Now if you want you can go back and fact check everything I said and let me know if anything is not true. Yes, I know you will want to discuss Isa 14 and Eze 28... I know what verses you will point to, but also which ones you will ignore. Lucifer and the Prince/king of Tyre were flesh and blood men.
Nice looking at reality with you.
Bob Estey
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GEN2REV
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More of your New Age nonsense.
No Absolutes whatsoever.
Still towing the popular Modern Mainstream Christian party line.
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
Isaiah 45:7
Kinda hard to "twist" that.
Still preaching lies to the itchy-eared blind, groping in the dark.
Sin is the breaking of God's Law. Period.
1 John 3:4
Evil is very real and you have a date with destiny to discover that personally one day if you continue on your current heading. Hand in hand you march with the masses toward your reward.
"The Lord hath made all things for Himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished."
Proverbs 16:4-5
Behold, thank you for bringing up this topic. and I do note your zeal for GOD.
i too in my testimony defended GOD that HE have nothing to do with evil. In Genesis at the beginning GOD created everything in 6 days, impressed and declared them all as 'very good'.
Even when a man called Jesus, "Good teacher, ...................." And Jesus replied, "Why you called Me good? There is none good but one, that is, GOD: ...................................."
And in return someone replied back to me giving this quote;
Isaiah 45:
7. I form the Light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
i was shocked, felt like a fool and speechless.
Readers, how would you react to this verse?
Shalom in the name of Jesus
So friend, have you made up your mind and wiould testify to another, evil is a part of the creation of GOD.?
Taken
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Taken
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What a big fat YES, thank you.
1 John 1:
5. This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that GOD is Light, and in HIM is no darkness at all.
Amazing grace!
What a contradicting and twisted GOD we've been serving, 'no darkness at all', but HE created evil according to you, bonkers don't you think?
Whilst a split personality, partly good and partly evil GOD we've been serving, my, my, have we been beguiled?
No, no, no, there's something amiss here.............
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
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Aunty Jane
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I wonder how many people have stumbled over this verse?
Did God create evil?…or does evil simply exist as a naturally occurring, equal opposite of good?
Look at God’s creation and see…there is balance in everything he made……all things have an equal opposite.…..”in”….“out”….”up”…..“down” “backwards”….”forwards”….”humble”…”proud”…..”generous“….”mean”…..”friendly”…”unfriendly”….”with”….”without”…..”love”….”hate”…..it’s an endless list.
We take these things for granted every day….but the one equal opposite in existence, that was not beneficial for humans to know, was the equal opposite of God’s goodness…..could we fathom how evil would impact on our lives when contemplating the very opposite of all that God is?
Evil exists as a natural consequence of balance in all that the creator does…..but he tried so hard to keep it in his own jurisdiction, burying it under a tree that no one was to touch, under penalty of death. It wasn’t that the tree was in any way poisonous in its fruit, but the fact that God claimed that tree as his own personal property. To steal from one’s Sovereign always carried the death penalty, no matter how insignificant the theft seemed…..death would follow an act of total disrespect for what belongs to their Supreme Sovereign.
Because his children are free willed, there was no way to keep that knowledge from them…..but they would have to break his law to introduced a knowledge of evil into the world.…..and it was the devil who hatched the plot to make that happen, knowing full well that the death penalty applied…..but he didn’t care. He wanted the humans to worship him, and would take it anyway he could.
The humans as well as the angels could not be “told“ that a knowledge of evil would not benefit them in any way, so God had to “show” them where it leads……what an incredible life lesson we have been part of for so long.
Would we ever be in a hurry to repeat all the woes that a knowledge of evil has wrought on humanity?
What patience and long suffering God has demonstrated so that his obedient children will never have to suffer evil again……not for all of eternity.
Next time that Scripture is presented to you, perhaps you could think about that….
Taken
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Keep in mind the context of Isaiah 45:7…. It applies to Babylon, the nation that was the enemy of God’s people.
Also, it doesn’t say God ‘created evil’ (past tense), does it? No.
Can God “create evil” for the enemies of His people? Is He justified to do so? Certainly!
Am lack of understanding in regards this verse, i disagree and you've misquoted me.
Apparently, you dear friend lack understanding, twist the actual word in quote, 'create', to 'created'. This is not what GOD said, but you who misquote, which can turn a believer in a different direction.
Since i have received the understanding to that verse prior in discussion, am able to witness fallacy and help in service.
Matthew 7:
1. Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
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Right on!
Apparently based on prior discussion in regards this same verse, the Spirit enlighten me who's disturbed, to what GOD actually saying. In the beginning GOD created everything, impressed, and declared them as, 'very good'.
Even lucifer held the high position in Heaven, being the master of the Heavenly choir and was 'very good'. Then the rebellion came from within him and desiring to become superior than GOD. And set his throne above GOD in Heaven to reside over all. And this also caused the division of angels, ones sided him and ones remain faithful to GOD.
This is when the beginning between good and evil, and the forbearance of GOD also allowed the master of evil to have a say in HIS counsel. Probably since the good on one side residing, their influence in faithfulness and service, would one day change the hearts of evil to repentance. Nevertheless, GOD rules over Heaven and earth, and always have the final say. Also on the other hand, to prevent evil or to let loose evil, on evil doers who harden their hearts.
Or let loose by limits, even on HIS good and faithful servants, like Job, and in the new age HIS church, for faithfulness.
Now in regards Isaiah 45:7, that's what HE is claiming, HE is able to 'create', them to act, and not 'created' them.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Davy
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The Biblically unlearned love to quote Isaiah 45:7 where God said, "... I make peace, and create evil;...".
The Hebrew word for "evil" there actually has many different meanings. Nevertheless, let's say God does create evil. How does that relate to this present world earth age?
Did you not know there are 3 world earth ages taught in God's Word?
1. "the world that then was"
2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now"
3. "new heavens and a new earth"
(2 Peter 3)
Many think that 1st one was about the days of Noah. It was not. It was when God shook this ancient earth and destroyed Lucifer's original rebellion, in the 1st world earth age. Ezekiel 28 with a parable using the king of Tyrus, God shows us that He originally created Lucifer perfect in his ways, that Lucifer originally served God at His Throne as a covering cherub. Then per Isaiah 14, Lucifer coveted God's Throne for himself and thus fell into iniquity.
Did you know that the power of death was assigned to the devil? (Hebrews 2:14). Makes sense don't you think, since Lucifer also was the first one to commit sin (1 John 3:8). So sin first entered in by Lucifer, not by Adam and Eve. The very first sin 'in the flesh'... was by Adam and Eve; but not the original very first sin ever, which was by Lucifer in the old world.
God ended that old world when Lucifer rebelled against Him. This 2nd world earth age we are in at present, "the heavens and the earth, which are now", is only a partial restoration of God's original perfect creation of Genesis 1:1. (see Jer.4:23-28 and Rom.8:18-25, and end of Hebrews 12).
And because of what Lucifer did, and the imperfection of this present 2nd world earth age of today, God at times will 'use'... Satan, and evil, to punish the rebellious of this present world.
But by NO MEANS whatsoever, was God the original creator of evil.
Sin, death, and evil only entered in when Lucifer rebelled against God in the old world. This is why when Satan is finally destroyed at the end, in the future "lake of fire", death and hell, and thus sin and evil, will go into that "lake of fire" with him, and be no more. Only then will God bring His new heavens and a new earth back similar to His original perfect creation in the beginning.
The Hebrew word for "evil" there actually has many different meanings. Nevertheless, let's say God does create evil. How does that relate to this present world earth age?
Did you not know there are 3 world earth ages taught in God's Word?
1. "the world that then was"
2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now"
3. "new heavens and a new earth"
(2 Peter 3)
Many think that 1st one was about the days of Noah. It was not. It was when God shook this ancient earth and destroyed Lucifer's original rebellion, in the 1st world earth age. Ezekiel 28 with a parable using the king of Tyrus, God shows us that He originally created Lucifer perfect in his ways, that Lucifer originally served God at His Throne as a covering cherub. Then per Isaiah 14, Lucifer coveted God's Throne for himself and thus fell into iniquity.
Did you know that the power of death was assigned to the devil? (Hebrews 2:14). Makes sense don't you think, since Lucifer also was the first one to commit sin (1 John 3:8). So sin first entered in by Lucifer, not by Adam and Eve. The very first sin 'in the flesh'... was by Adam and Eve; but not the original very first sin ever, which was by Lucifer in the old world.
God ended that old world when Lucifer rebelled against Him. This 2nd world earth age we are in at present, "the heavens and the earth, which are now", is only a partial restoration of God's original perfect creation of Genesis 1:1. (see Jer.4:23-28 and Rom.8:18-25, and end of Hebrews 12).
And because of what Lucifer did, and the imperfection of this present 2nd world earth age of today, God at times will 'use'... Satan, and evil, to punish the rebellious of this present world.
But by NO MEANS whatsoever, was God the original creator of evil.
Sin, death, and evil only entered in when Lucifer rebelled against God in the old world. This is why when Satan is finally destroyed at the end, in the future "lake of fire", death and hell, and thus sin and evil, will go into that "lake of fire" with him, and be no more. Only then will God bring His new heavens and a new earth back similar to His original perfect creation in the beginning.
Taken
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You lack of understanding of Isa 45:7 ?
Okay.
You disagree with your lack of understanding?
Please identify “your” quote.
And me…”misquoting” you.
Seems apparent…you have revealed you think Lack of Understanding…applies to you and me….
I didn’t “misquote” Scripture…
I referenced Isa 45:7
I said, created.
That is confusing, after your opening statement of your lack of understanding of that verse.
Your point of quoting Matt 7:1 to me?
Is that an inference, of you thinking I was “judging you” ? How so?
Wanna clear this up….then have a discussion on points of views…of your understanding vs my understanding?
Glory to God,
Taken
Sin starts in the mind you can't sin without first thinking about sinning it doesn't happen by accident.It starts in the hearts of humans who else is going to commit evil acts.Humans are the fallen ones who remain in a fallen state until raised up by Jesus and transformed to a state of grace at death or to damnation.We are the evil on the earth there is no one else to come up with evil ideas and put them in action.
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