Where does Evil come from?

[Fred J]

I didn’t “misquote” Scripture…
I referenced Isa 45:7
I said, created.

It's okay let us keep it short and simple, tks.

Isaiah 45:
7. I from the Light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

So you claim to understand best and yet based on verse 7, you interpret quoting, GOD created evil.

Readers, my given understanding to this verse addressed to HIS people is, HE create darkness and create evil, and HE created not them.

For example, even Job, HIS good and faithful servant's life, satan who actually created evil and darkness had no power over Job. Since satan claimed that GOD have put a fence around Job and his household to prevent evil and darkness. Therefore satan challenged GOD to remove the protection, so he could inflict evil and darkness on Job and his household. So this time GOD removed part of the fence, where Job and his household faced the invasion of evil and darkness in the unprotected area of their lives.

Basically, this is what GOD meant preparing HIS people ahead, that, HE make peace and create evil, as He create in Job's life. Even Job was perplexed and even more were his friends, that such a calamity hit Job and his household. In GOD's test/trail, Job excelled, not blaming GOD nor evil, nor any one, but merely himself and his birth. By allowing evil and darkness HIS enemies, to do what it desires, to inflict calamities on the good and bad, meant GOD who 'create' them.

Even the church underwent the dark ages, where GOD in test and trial 'create' evil and darkness to befall on them. All for the credibility of faithfulness and love, who is HIS good and faithful servant, and who is HIS lukewarm ones. Evil and darkness are enemies against GOD and HIS people, where the fallen angels and their offspring during Noah's time, caused all the chaos on earth.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

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It's okay let us keep it short and simple, tks./QUOTE]

Simple…okay

Isaiah 45:
7. I from the Light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

So you claim to understand best and yet based on verse 7, you interpret quoting, GOD created evil.

Gen 2:
[9] And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

A particular tree…God CREAT-ED…
The particular tree…possess KNOWLEDGE
The KNOWLEDGE…is Good and is Evil.
He who had access to eat from that particular tree…would Gain the KNOWLEDGE of Good AND Evil.

God creat-ED that…? YES.

Gen :
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

* God Creates AND Makes…
* Good is …KNOWLEDGE
* Evil is ……KNOWLEDGE

The All-Knowing God KNOWS both Good and Evil.

Once Adam and Eve BOTH ate from the Tree of Good and Evil…
they and their offspring from the *seed of the male and female”…. Would BE IN THEIR LIKENESS “male and female PEOPLE” … also KNOWING Good and Evil.

You can CALL that KNOWLEDGE by it’s Scriptural spiritual Understanding GOOD/EVIL or it’s common Secular Understanding … RIGHT/WRONG.
And TEACH the concept to toddler babies, SIMPLISTICALlY…using the SIMPLE terms..
Yes…No.

Offsprings…herbs, trees, fruits, nuts, PEOPLE are in the same reproduced LIKENESS as it own seeds.

God IS GOOD…
God TEACHES men to BE, to DO Good.
God CREATED Man AND MADE man to HAVE the FREE-willl OPTION TO CHOOSE…to BE good, do…. Or NOT….
The mans CHOICE of Good…
Or the mans CHOICE to BE, to DO Evil.

You have a problem with God having Creat-ED “things, concepts, of polar OPPOSITES” that would be “your problem”, not mine..

Light ~ Dark. Polar Opposites.
Up ~ Down. Polar Opposites.
In ~ Out. Polar Opposites.
With ~ Without. Polar Opposites.
Alive ~ Dead. Polar Opposites.
Good ~ Evil. Polar Opposites.

HAVING the knowledge OF…good and evil…..does NOT “make”…
God…angels…manKind….good OR evil.

Just as having Knowledge OF…Heaven and Hell….does NOT “make”…
God…angels…manKind…Heavenly or Hellish.

I believe GOD IS ALL KNOWING…and He…
Created, made, established…Orders and Ways for manKIND to also have a great deal of KNOWLEDGE God possess.

….satan who actually created evil and darkness ….

DISAGREE.
God “IS” the CREATOR… Period.
Satan is a CREATED being…Period.
Satan was NOT “created” EVIL…
Satan exercised “his own freewill” to BE and DO EVIL.


Continued..

 

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@Fred J.
Continued…

Since satan claimed that GOD have put a fence around Job and his household to prevent evil and darkness. Therefore satan challenged GOD to remove the protection, so he could inflict evil and darkness on Job and his household. So this time GOD removed part of the fence, where Job and his household faced the invasion of evil and darkness in the unprotected area of their lives.

God does NOT STOP evil angels from acting AGAINST men.
God does NOT STOP manKINDS evil acts AGAINST men.

* God PROMISES to COMFORT FAITHFUL men, THROUGH Hardships …

* AS well….FAITHFUL men, “Who pray to God FOR a mans “foreknown” danger….routinely God SENDS a ministering Angel, to divert, the man AWAY from danger.

* But no, God DOES NOT STOP angels or men from freely Choosing to invoke EVIL behaviors, acts against men.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[LuxMundy]

Where does evil come from?

Evil is a force that originated by itself like certain monstrous diseases in the most wholesome body. Lucifer was an angel, the most beautiful of all the angels, a perfect spirit, inferior only to God, and yet in his bright essence a vapour of pride arose and he did not scatter it. On the contrary, he condensed it by brooding over it. And Evil was born of this incubation. It existed before man. God had hurled him out of Paradise, the cursed incubator of Evil, who had desecrated Paradise. But he is the eternal incubator of Evil and as he can no longer soil Paradise, he has soiled the earth.

Jesus is the Compendium of the love of the Three. Jesus is the Compendium of what the Most Holy Trinity and Unity of God is. He is the Perfection of the Three summarized in One alone. He is infinite, multiform Perfection summarized in Jesus. An abyss of Perfection before whom the heavenly forces and the blessed multitudes of Paradise prostrate themselves in adoration. An abyss of Love that could and can be comprehended and accepted only by those who possess love.

Consequently, we can here explain how the archangel who was a benign, holy spirit—but not holy to the point of entirely love—was able to become the Spirit of Evil. It is the measurement of love, which one possesses in oneself, that provides the measure of one's perfection and refractoriness to all corruption. When love is complete, nothing more can come in to corrupt. The molecule which does not love is an easy breach for the infiltration of the first elements which are not love. And they force, distend, invade, and submerge the good elements, to the point of killing them. Lucifer had an incomplete measure of love. Self-satisfaction occupied a space in him, a space in which there could be no love. And, it was the breach through which his ruinous depravation came in. Because of it, he could not comprehend and accept Christ-Love, the Compendium of the infinite, single, Triune Love. And the fact that nowadays the heresy denying the Divine Humanity of the Second Person and making Him a simple man Who is good and wise is vaster may be readily explained with this key: lack of love in the human heart, incapacity for love, poverty in the possession of love.

If you re-read, meditate, and concentrate on the phrase "Lucifer, not holy to the point of being entirely love," you may be unable to grasp how a spirit like the spirit that is an angel could have committed faults. You may want an explanation as to how spiritual beings—created by the perfect will of God, in a creation lacking the element of "Evil," which had still not taken shape—contemplating Eternal Perfection, and that alone, had been able to sin. How could this be so?

Angels are superior to men. I say "men" to refer to all the beings designated in this way, composed of matter and spirit. Angels are, then, superior, entirely spirit. But remember that when Grace lives in man and the Blood of the Mystical Body, whose Head is Christ, circulates, while the seven Sacraments confirm him from birth to death, in every state and every stage of life, they then see the Lord in us, "living temples of the Lord," and worship Him in us, and we are then superior to them—we are "other Christs"—and have what is called the "Bread of angels"; but Bread is for men alone. A mystical, insatiable hunger for the Eucharist which is in us and makes them cling to us, when we feed on It, to perceive the divine fragrance of this perfect Food!

But, to go back to the initial point, I tell you that in the angels, different from us in nature and perfection, there is free will, as in us. God has created nothing as a slave. At the origin there was only Order in the creation. But Order does not exclude freedom. Rather, in Order there is perfect freedom. Nor is there in Order fear—as a constraint—of an invasion, an intrusion, or the anarchy of other wills which may produce secret pacts and ruins penetrating into the orbit and trajectory of other beings or created things. The Whole Universe was like that before Lucifer abused his freedom and by his own will introduced the disorder of passions into himself to create disorder in the Universe. If he had been entirely love, he would have no room in himself for anything that was not love. He instead had room for pride, which might be termed "the disorder of the intellect."

Could God have impeded this event? He could have. But why violate the free will of the very handsome, intelligent archangel? Wouldn't He, the Most Just, then have introduced disorder into His orderly Thought by no longer willing what He had previously willed—that is, the archangel's freedom? God did not oppress the disturbed spirit by violently making it impossible for him to sin. His not sinning would then have lacked any merit. For us, too, it was necessary "to be able to will the Good" in order to go on deserving to enjoy the vision of God, infinite Blessedness!

God, since He had wanted the sublime archangel to be at His side in the first operations of creation and wanted him to be aware of the future of the creation of love, so He wanted him to be aware of the adorable and painful necessity which his sin would impose upon God: the Incarnation and Death of a God to counterbalance the ruin of Sin which would be created if Lucifer did not overcome pride in himself. Love could only speak this language. The first annihilation of God is in this act of wanting to induce the proud one gently—almost begging him, with the vision of what his pride would impose upon God—not to sin so as to lead others to sin.

It was an act of love. Lucifer, already turned into a devil, took it to be fear, weakness, and offense, a declaration of war; and he waged war against the Perfect One by saying, "You are? I, too, am. You made what you made through me. There is no God. And if there is a God, I am. I worship myself. I hate you. I refuse to recognize one who is unable to overcome me as my Lord. You should not have created me so perfect if you did not want rivals. Now I am and I am against you. Defeat me, if you can. But I do not fear You. I, too, will create, and because of me Your Creation will tremble, for I will shake it like a bit of cloud seized by the winds because I hate You and want to destroy what is Yours to create what will be mine over the ruins. I do not know or recognize any other power except myself."

Truly, in the Creation, in the whole Creation, down to the very depths, there was then a horrendous convulsion out of dread at the sacrilegious words. A convulsion the likes of which will not be seen at the end of Creation. And from it there arose Hell, the realm of Hatred.

Do you understand how Evil arose? From free will—respected as such by God—of one who was not "entirely love." And believe that upon every sin committed since then there stands this judgement: "Here love does not exist entirely." Complete love forbids sinning. And without effort. Whoever loves does not labor to reach justice! Love takes him high above all mire and danger and purifies him minute by minute of the barely perceptible imperfections which are still present in the final degree of consummate holiness, in that state wherein the spirit is so advanced that it is truly a king, already united by spiritual marriage to its Lord; God gives and reveals Himself to such a point to His blessed son, who enjoys only a single degree less than what the life of the blessed in Heaven is.

 

[Fred J]

Dear beloved readers,

Based on the thread, we need to have knowledge and wisdom from the Holy Bible doctrine in context. If not 'shortsightedly' or 'blindly' we'll be testify to others the wrong message, and lead them further away from the truth cum GOD.

1 John 1:
5. This then is the message which we heard of Him, and declare unto you, that GOD is Light, and in HIM is no darkness at all.

All form of truly Good comes from the GOD of Light who created them all since the beginning. Where in due time, especially angels and man chose to disobey and become heart hardened against GOD of Good and Light, abiding not HIS Word. Since when man are lied to and beguiled by satan and his angels of evil and darkness and their words, thus together have all turned their backs from GOD. Whilst further man is taken away after one's own passions and lusts of the flesh, to follow evil and darkness of this world instead.

For all form of truly evil comes from the god of darkness who created them upon the rebellion against Light. He is god of the people of this world, who lies, beguiles and disguises himself as an angel of Light. And whilst, is not surprising that his human servants too disguises themselves as servants of righteousness. Evil and darkness of devil and his angels, are eager and ready, to rob, kill and destroy every thing of GOD, especially man. But by HIS right and fair judgement, HE's able to prevent and forbid them to a certain extend. Therefore to the incompetent of man, even HIS good and faithful servants become victims to evil and darkness.

Meantime, the saints are in their graves asleep, for in faithfulness to GOD and Word, they did not yield to evil and darkness and the world, till death come upon them. Then came the victory and liberty Salvation from the Good and Light through the Son Jesus Christ, for all mankind righteous and unrighteous to be saved. Time being the befall of but not done with, evil and darkness of satan and his angels in this world. Since there are still those man slaves to evil and darkness, who's unrepentant yet. While there are repentant being saved gradually since, day by day. Then again the unrepentant who embrace evil and darkness, are given ample of time to turn back. And when the number of HIS good and faithful servants from the beginning to the end of ages, have been saved and sound one day.

Then the end of evil and darkness of satan and his angels, and sinful man in oneness, shall come once and for all on judgement day. Meantime in HIS right and fair judgement due to the sins of man, including HIS saints are amongst, HE do create darkness and create evil in this world. Meaning by HIS authority and limitation put forth, evil and darkness are allowed to rob, kill and destroy the inhabitants of this earth to a certain extend. Where from this trial and test of the evil and darkness of satan and his angels, also on the righteous and unrighteous in this world. HE hence able to distinguish and ascend to HIMSELF, HIS pure, good and faithful servants, besides lukewarm and the world. Ones who even faithfully laid down their own lives for merely abiding in HIS Word of Good and Light.

To conclude, GOD created not evil, but 'very good' creation, in the beginning till the end. Until one fine day, from first rebellion to the next, evil and darkness was created by the devil, and his angels. Indeed is written that GOD create darkness and create evil, meaning, HE holds authority over them fully. To what extend HE allows and disallow them, to manifest in their full nature to rob, kill and destroy, HE decides. For they've not been able to taste and achieve the full length of their manifestation to rob, kill and destroy, cause for no flesh will be left alive.

Shalom in the name of Jesus

 

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Isa.45​

[1] Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
[2] I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
[3] And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
[4] For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
[5] I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
[6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
[8] Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
[9] Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
[10] Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
[11] Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
[12] I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
[13] I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
[14] Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.
[15] Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
[16] They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.
[17] But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
[18] For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
[19] I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
[20] Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
[21] Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
[22] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
[23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
[24] Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
[25] In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.