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It's not an insult to call out what you are doing.
That is merely your opinion. That means nothing. You are incapable of showing your doctrine in Scripture. You know it, and the reader knows it. The burden of proof is with you. I have laid out a detailed case above that you have been unable to lay a punch on. Arguing that Pretrib is right without showing any Scripture proves nothing, apart from your lack of biblical support. It tells me you are in love with a doctrine, not the truth.
Anyone who disagrees with pre-trib is evil! Yeah right! Get a life. Grow up. You are describing yourself. You are revealing who you are.
No one is saying they help raise the dead (only God can raise the dead), so stop misrepresenting my view in that way. I've corrected you on that a few times already and you keep saying it. That makes me think you purposely misrepresent my view. The angels help gather the dead in Christ AFTER they are resurrected and they gather those who are alive and remain as well.
I hope you grow up some day so that you can take part in adult Bible discussions. Until then, you probably should just read and learn and not post much (if at all).
Where have you or any other pre-trib proven anything. I only see your opinions without any support from scripture being provided. Can you use scripture to show why you believe what you do? Your opinions alone are not convincing.
Exactly. It is frustration and realizing they have nothing but man's teaching to bring to the table. That is why he hid behind the video of a false teacher. He has no Scripture.
We don't come to this site only to be directed to other sites. We can't talk to the people who are talking in the article or videos that you link, so what good is that? You can't expect people to want to go to other sites or watch videos from other people when we're posting here. I have no interest in that. We can't talk to those people, but we can talk to you.
How can we believe a word you say when you won't exegete any scripture and show how exactly you come to your conclusions? You think it's enough to just give opinions and we should just take your word for it without any scriptural proof being offered to back up your claims?
I can't understand the mindset of some of these people who just believe everything their favorite Bible teacher says without studying scripture for themselves. They need to read Acts 17:10-11 and learn that they should be like the Bereans. They have no ability to back up their beliefs with scripture, so they try to tell us to just listen to whatever false teacher they follow instead.
Are Matthew 24:31 and Mark 13:27 the same event ? Yes, course.
The scriptual proof that the rapture/resurrection event will be before the great tribulation, when God's wrath will be poured out, is in 1Thessalonians5:9-11.
But, they don't have the same amount of detail (only Mark 13:27 references the elect being gathered from the uttermost part of the earth which Matt 24:31 does not include), so how do you come to that conclusion? You conclude that 1 Thess 4:14-17 isn't the same event as Matthew 24:30-31 for no reason except that they don't each contain all the same details, so how do you relate any two verses or passages together with that approach?
The rapture/resurrection event is before the great tribulation, when God's wrath will be poured out, begins (see my post #1353).
You're just giving opinions without supporting them with scripture which is useless and pointless. Prove your view with scripture.
Now, this is where these discussions get to be frustrating. Are you under the impression that WPM and those, like me, who have the same belief as him believe the rapture/resurrection will occur after the wrath that Paul wrote about in 1 Thess 5:9? That is not what we believe. Of course believers are never appointed to God's wrath, but we believe what Paul was referring to in 1 Thess 5:9 was to this wrath in particular that he had referenced shortly before that verse:
I agree with all of this. The fact that you apparently thought people who believe the same as WPM, including myself, didn't agree with all of this shows to me that you never really read our posts carefully because we've never said otherwise from what you said here. Again, the difference in our views in terms of the timing of the rapture in relation to God's wrath (apparently, you define the tribulation only as God's wrath while I don't) is only in our understanding of what God's wrath, as described in 1 Thess 5:2-3, entails.
There's nothing to see. You don't bother taking the time to show why exactly you believe what you do. You never quote scripture and exegete it and you are just like most of the rest of pretribs in that way. You do nothing to show how exactly you come to your conclusions. You think your opinions are enough without backing them up with scripture, but they are not.
