There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why, are you jealous?

LOL. I woud never be jealous of an arrogant person like you who thinks God reveals truth only to you. Instead, I feel sorry for you that you are so delusional.

 

[Jay Ross]

LOL. I would never be jealous of an arrogant person like you who thinks God reveals truth only to you. Instead, I feel sorry for you that you are so delusional.

SI, have you not read the scriptures where the prophets were killed because the "people" did not like what the prophet was conveying from God to them. The first prophet that was killed was Abel, because his brother was jealous of God's favour towards him.

Another Prophet was Jeremiah. He was not listened to because the people liked what the false prophets were saying as it tickled their ears.

Isaiah also told them that they had built their understanding from here a little, there a little until they had the understanding that they liked, and Isaiah told them that they would fall backwards and be consumed in their false understanding. SI, do you think that it is any different today?

Isaiah 28:11-22: - ​

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11 For with stammering lips and another tongue​

He will speak to this people,​

12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which​

You may cause the weary to rest,"​

And, "This is the refreshing";​

Yet they would not hear. ​

13 But the word of the Lord was to them,​

"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,​

Line upon line, line upon line,​

Here a little, there a little,"​

That they might go and fall backward, and be broken​

And snared and caught.​

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14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scornful men,​

Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,​

15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death,​

And with Sheol we are in agreement.​

When the overflowing scourge passes through,​

It will not come to us,​

For we have made lies our refuge,​

And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves."​

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A Cornerstone in Zion​

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16 Therefore thus says the Lord God:​

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"Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,​

A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;​

Whoever believes will not act hastily. ​

17 Also I will make justice the measuring line,​

And righteousness the plummet;​

The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies,​

And the waters will overflow the hiding place. ​

18 Your covenant with death will be annulled,​

And your agreement with Sheol will not stand;​

When the overflowing scourge passes through,​

Then you will be trampled down by it. ​

19 As often as it goes out it will take you;​

For morning by morning, it will pass over,​

And by day and by night;​

It will be a terror just to understand the report."​

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20 For the bed is too short to stretch out on,​

And the covering so narrow that one cannot wrap himself in it.​

21 For the Lord will rise up as at Mount Perazim,​

He will be angry as in the Valley of Gibeon —​

That He may do His work, His awesome work,​

And bring to pass His act, His unusual act.​

22 Now therefore, do not be mockers,​

Lest your bonds be made strong;​

For I have heard from the Lord God of hosts,​

A destruction determined even upon the whole earth.​

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SI, is not this passage of scripture also applicable for today? I believe that it is, and your posts confirm this.​

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At the appropriate time the Lord God will indicate who has been speaking His truth.​

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Goodbye​

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

SI, have you not read the scriptures where the prophets were killed because the "people" did not like what the prophet was conveying from God to them. The first prophet that was killed was Abel, because his brother was jealous of God's favour towards him.

Another Prophet was Jeremiah. He was not listened to because the people liked what the false prophets were saying as it tickled their ears.

Isaiah also told them that they had built their understanding from here a little, there a little until they had the understanding that they liked, and Isaiah told them that they would fall backwards and be consumed in their false understanding. SI, do you think that it is any different today?

Isaiah 28:11-22: - ​

​

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue​

He will speak to this people,​

12 To whom He said, "This is the rest with which​

You may cause the weary to rest,"​

And, "This is the refreshing";​

Yet they would not hear. ​

13 But the word of the Lord was to them,​

"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,​

Line upon line, line upon line,​

Here a little, there a little,"​

That they might go and fall backward, and be broken​

And snared and caught.​

​

14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scornful men,​

Who rule this people who are in Jerusalem,​

15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death,​

And with Sheol we are in agreement.​

When the overflowing scourge passes through,​

It will not come to us,​

For we have made lies our refuge,​

And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves."​

​

A Cornerstone in Zion​

​

16 Therefore thus says the Lord God:​

​

"Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,​

A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;​

Whoever believes will not act hastily. ​

17 Also I will make justice the measuring line,​

And righteousness the plummet;​

The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies,​

And the waters will overflow the hiding place. ​

18 Your covenant with death will be annulled,​

And your agreement with Sheol will not stand;​

When the overflowing scourge passes through,​

Then you will be trampled down by it. ​

19 As often as it goes out it will take you;​

For morning by morning, it will pass over,​

And by day and by night;​

It will be a terror just to understand the report."​

​

20 For the bed is too short to stretch out on,​

And the covering so narrow that one cannot wrap himself in it.​

21 For the Lord will rise up as at Mount Perazim,​

He will be angry as in the Valley of Gibeon —​

That He may do His work, His awesome work,​

And bring to pass His act, His unusual act.​

22 Now therefore, do not be mockers,​

Lest your bonds be made strong;​

For I have heard from the Lord God of hosts,​

A destruction determined even upon the whole earth.​

​

SI, is not this passage of scripture also applicable for today? I believe that it is, and your posts confirm this.​

​

At the appropriate time the Lord God will indicate who has been speaking His truth.​

​

Goodbye​

You're even more arrogant than I thought. You think you are a prophet. I know you are not. Your interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27 is one of the worst interpretations of any scripture that I've ever seen. Again, God does not reveal truth to only one person. You are not nearly as special as you think you are. Humble yourself.

 

[Jay Ross]

You're even more arrogant than I thought. You think you are a prophet. I know you are not. Your interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27 is one of the worst interpretations of any scripture that I've ever seen. Again, God does not reveal truth to only one person. You are not nearly as special as you think you are. Humble yourself.

 

[Earburner]

What verses support the view that this took place for seven years? Are you saying the earthly ministry of Christ covered seven years?


I find the opinion that the ministry of Christ on this earth was seven years just as confusing.

Together, John the Baptist and Jesus was a joint ministry, confirming the NC. (Zech. 4:11-14).
John for 6 mos., and Jesus for 3 years= 3.5 years.

Jesus' mortal flesh was crucified in the midst of the 70th week (3.5 years).
For the remaining 3.5 years, by His Holy Spirit, He continued to confirm the NC by ministering to the early church, bringing to their remembrance the things that were said and took place. John 14:26.

Today, we have that which was remembered and written down in our NT. Bibles, all of which was accomplished by the communication of God's Holy Spirit within them.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus' mortal flesh was crucified in the midst of the 70th week (3.5 years).

Because there are the 7 years of the 70th week in Revelation, and because there are the same 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 right after the destruction of Gog's armies - we can be certain that Jesus was not crucified in the middle of the 70th week.

In John 12:12-16, Jesus rode on a donkey into Jerusalem, hailed as the King of Israel messiah. 4 days later, he was crucified.

 

[Earburner]

Because there are the 7 years of the 70th week in Revelation, and because there are the same 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 right after the destruction of Gog's armies - we can be certain that Jesus was not crucified in the middle of the 70th week.

In John 12:12-16, Jesus rode on a donkey into Jerusalem, hailed as the King of Israel messiah. 4 days later, he was crucified.



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The counting of time for Jesus' ministry of 3.0 years began upon His baptism, wherein God the Father from heaven enjoined Him.
It was at that time that John understood that he himself would decrease and Jesus would increase. John 3:27-30.
You are not correctly aligning the prophecy of Zech. 4:11-14. John the Baptist was the witness to who Jesus is, and Jesus was the witness to who God the Father is.

 

[rwb]

Together, John the Baptist and Jesus was a joint ministry, confirming the NC. (Zech. 4:11-14).
John for 6 mos., and Jesus for 3 years= 3.5 years.

Jesus' mortal flesh was crucified in the midst of the 70th week (3.5 years).
For the remaining 3.5 years, by His Holy Spirit, He continued to confirm the NC by ministering to the early church, bringing to their remembrance the things that were said and took place. John 14:26.

Today, we have that which was remembered and written down in our NT. Bibles, all of which was accomplished by the communication of God's Holy Spirit within them.

The problem I have with this way of understanding is that it ignores much of Daniel's prophesy. Daniel's prophesy did not begin when John the Baptist and Christ were together on the earth for seven years. His prophesy must be understood from "the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince". And that would be from "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times".

 

[Earburner]

The problem I have with this way of understanding is that it ignores much of Daniel's prophesy. Daniel's prophesy did not begin when John the Baptist and Christ were together on the earth for seven years. His prophesy must be understood from "the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince". And that would be from "seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times".

Unto the Messiah the Prince is the 70th week. Anything prior to the coming of Jesus in mortal flesh would be of the 69th week, being that of the built street and the wall.

Even the Jews attest to the fact that the temple was in building for the past 46 years, when Jesus was only 30 years old.
Therefore, while the Jews were asking Jesus for a sign, IT WAS THEN the 70th week.

John 2
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.

 

[rwb]

Unto the Messiah the Prince is the 70th week. Anything prior to the coming of Jesus in mortal flesh would be of the 69th week, being that of the built street and the wall.

Even the Jews attest to the fact that the temple was in building for the past 46 years, when Jesus was only 30 years old.
Therefore, while the Jews were asking Jesus for a sign, IT WAS THEN the 70th week.

John 2
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.

I don't know if you've been following all the discussions. I'm referring you back what I believe is the proper way to understand Dan 9 prophesy.

"But there is a reason for the separation of the final seven weeks of years. It took a little research and much thinking for me to figure out why, because I'm not very familiar with the Jewish Jubilee. The passion week of Christ was literally seven days, but it ushered in the final Jubilee celebration which was when the Hebrew slaves were to have been set free. It was in the midst of the Jubilee week, as well as the midst of Christ's Passion Week that the blood of Christ's atonement was made that sin might be forgiven and the captives of death would be set free. So, it's true that the one week was literally one seven-day week, it is also true that it was the 49th or final week of seven-year cycles marking the beginning of the Jubilee celebration to "hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof".

Leviticus 25:8-13 (KJV) And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.

 

[rwb]

Unto the Messiah the Prince is the 70th week. Anything prior to the coming of Jesus in mortal flesh would be of the 69th week, being that of the built street and the wall.

Even the Jews attest to the fact that the temple was in building for the past 46 years, when Jesus was only 30 years old.
Therefore, while the Jews were asking Jesus for a sign, IT WAS THEN the 70th week.

John 2
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.

We all know the right way to understand the passion week was fulfilled in seven days. It's historical fact! But there is more to the prophecy that you don't seem to understand. The timing of Daniel's prophecy PROVES Christ is Messiah the Prince promised to come. And He did come at exactly at the time the prophet says He would.

Any man could have done what Jesus did that one week. How does seeing a mortal man riding on a donkey, and dying on a cross, even resurrecting from the dead PROVE that Jesus is the promised Messiah? Jesus was not the only man to ever ride a donkey, nor was He the only man to die on a cross, and the Old Testament prophets had raised others before Jesus from the dead. It is the exact timing that PROVES beyond a shadow of doubt that Jesus IS the Messiah/Savior! That's why Christ tells us to consider that which was spoken by the Prophet Daniel.

The reason most Bible scholars agree the weeks of Daniel 9 are to be understood as weeks of years is because it is the only way to arrive at the EXACT time that Jesus came. Disagreement between Bible scholars is not about understanding the prophecy being weeks of years. The disagreement is over the EXACT starting time for the prophecy so that it fulfills the EXACT coming of the Messiah to do the six things of vs 24. The disagreement stems from the fact that the decree to build and restore Jerusalem and the temple was issued by three different kings. But is that true? And if it is which king's decree do we begin the timing from?

But the decrees given by the three was not new decrees but the same decree that was issued and re-issued.

Here are the dates for when the three Kings decreed and re-issued: BC 538 Cyrus decree, BC 520 Darius re-issued, BC 457 Artaxerxes.

Ezra 6:14 (KJV) And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

The counting of weeks of years begins with Cyrus, not with Artaxerxes as some believe. The decree first given by Cyrus to build and restore Jerusalem, and the Temple was completed in the 6th year of Darius: the count of the 69 weeks begins. The re-issuance of the same decree by Artaxerxes never tells the Jews to build the Temple as it was already completed in the days of Zerubabel when Darius was king. Nearly sixty years elapsed from Darius during which time the temple was completed, but rebuilding of Jerusalem’s infrastructure had to wait until Artaxerxes ratified the decree again in his seventh year. According to the Hebrew calendar, this date was 457 BC, and Ezra says it happened on the “first day of the first month in the seventh year of King Artaxerxes.” Now, when we count forward 483 years from 1 Nisan 457 BC, it comes out at 1 Nisan AD 27 - Jesus' public ministry.

When Jesus began His ministry 483 years after the prophecy was decreed, reckoning 69 weeks of years, were fulfilled. But there is still the one week to finish the exact amount of time the prophet foretells would be 490 weeks of years. That is the one week set apart from the other weeks of years because Jesus' coming was a Jubilee year.

It is true the final week is literally one week when the prophecy regarding Jesus was fulfilled. It is also true the one week being a Jubilee is also counted as the last seventh week of 49 years that ushered in the Day of Atonement when Jesus came to set people free.

Leviticus 25:8-13 (KJV) And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.

The Lord's quoting of Isaiah 61 proves he was proclaiming that a Jubilee year was taking place. The Jubilee Jesus declared had begun the exact day his public ministry began.

Isaiah 61:1-3 (KJV) The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Luke 4:14-21 (KJV) And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

 

[David in NJ]

Many speak of the tribulation to come, and there is in fact a Great Tribulation to come upon the entire world by way of God’s wrath being poured out on the inhabitants of the world.
But many do not understand that there are actually 2 tribulation periods mentioned in scripture.

In Romans 2:9 we read; "Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew “first”, and also of the Gentile."

In this we see the mention of 2 different tribulation periods determined, with the “first”one which pertained to the Jews, and the last one, which is to be upon all the Nations of the entire Gentile world.

In Romans 2:9 we read; "Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew “first”, and also of the Gentile."

In this we see the mention of 2 different tribulation periods determined, with the “first”one which pertained to the Jews, and the last one, which is to be upon all the Nations of the entire Gentile world.

Paul is NOT separating Jew from Gentile!

Paul is including Jew & Gentile TOGETHER = "But the Scripture has confined all under sin"


BIG PROBLEM
What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

10As it is written:

“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13“Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16Destruction and misery are in their ways;E
17And the way of peace they have not known.”
18“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

REMEDY
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Paul is NOT separating Jew from Gentile!

Paul is including Jew & Gentile TOGETHER = "But the Scripture has confined all under sin"


BIG PROBLEM
What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

10As it is written:

“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13“Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16Destruction and misery are in their ways;E
17And the way of peace they have not known.”
18“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

REMEDY
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Who were the first people to receive the law and Testimony of God? Who were the first people to suffer God’s anger and wrath for not abiding in His words? Who were the first people to be raised up when Jesus was raised up from the dead? It was the Jews/Israel.

Romans 2:7-11

King James Version

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7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God”

 

[David in NJ]

Who were the first people to receive the law and Testimony of God? Who were the first people to suffer God’s anger and wrath for not abiding in His words? Who were the first people to be raised up when Jesus was raised up from the dead? It was the Jews/Israel.

Romans 2:7-11​

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King James Version​

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7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God”

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

Notice that the Jew & Gentile are BOTH included in either "Tribulation" or a "Blessing".

 

[Earburner]

We all know the right way to understand the passion week was fulfilled in seven days. It's historical fact! But there is more to the prophecy that you don't seem to understand. The timing of Daniel's prophecy PROVES Christ is Messiah the Prince promised to come. And He did come at exactly at the time the prophet says He would.

Any man could have done what Jesus did that one week. How does seeing a mortal man riding on a donkey, and dying on a cross, even resurrecting from the dead PROVE that Jesus is the promised Messiah? Jesus was not the only man to ever ride a donkey, nor was He the only man to die on a cross, and the Old Testament prophets had raised others before Jesus from the dead. It is the exact timing that PROVES beyond a shadow of doubt that Jesus IS the Messiah/Savior! That's why Christ tells us to consider that which was spoken by the Prophet Daniel.

The reason most Bible scholars agree the weeks of Daniel 9 are to be understood as weeks of years is because it is the only way to arrive at the EXACT time that Jesus came. Disagreement between Bible scholars is not about understanding the prophecy being weeks of years. The disagreement is over the EXACT starting time for the prophecy so that it fulfills the EXACT coming of the Messiah to do the six things of vs 24. The disagreement stems from the fact that the decree to build and restore Jerusalem and the temple was issued by three different kings. But is that true? And if it is which king's decree do we begin the timing from?

But the decrees given by the three was not new decrees but the same decree that was issued and re-issued.

Here are the dates for when the three Kings decreed and re-issued: BC 538 Cyrus decree, BC 520 Darius re-issued, BC 457 Artaxerxes.

Ezra 6:14 (KJV) And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

The counting of weeks of years begins with Cyrus, not with Artaxerxes as some believe. The decree first given by Cyrus to build and restore Jerusalem, and the Temple was completed in the 6th year of Darius: the count of the 69 weeks begins. The re-issuance of the same decree by Artaxerxes never tells the Jews to build the Temple as it was already completed in the days of Zerubabel when Darius was king. Nearly sixty years elapsed from Darius during which time the temple was completed, but rebuilding of Jerusalem’s infrastructure had to wait until Artaxerxes ratified the decree again in his seventh year. According to the Hebrew calendar, this date was 457 BC, and Ezra says it happened on the “first day of the first month in the seventh year of King Artaxerxes.” Now, when we count forward 483 years from 1 Nisan 457 BC, it comes out at 1 Nisan AD 27 - Jesus' public ministry.

When Jesus began His ministry 483 years after the prophecy was decreed, reckoning 69 weeks of years, were fulfilled. But there is still the one week to finish the exact amount of time the prophet foretells would be 490 weeks of years. That is the one week set apart from the other weeks of years because Jesus' coming was a Jubilee year.

It is true the final week is literally one week when the prophecy regarding Jesus was fulfilled. It is also true the one week being a Jubilee is also counted as the last seventh week of 49 years that ushered in the Day of Atonement when Jesus came to set people free.

Leviticus 25:8-13 (KJV) And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.

The Lord's quoting of Isaiah 61 proves he was proclaiming that a Jubilee year was taking place. The Jubilee Jesus declared had begun the exact day his public ministry began.

Isaiah 61:1-3 (KJV) The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Luke 4:14-21 (KJV) And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

According to Zech. 4:11-14, John the baptist and Jesus were a joint ministry.
John the baptist's ministry was for 6 mos., and Jesus ministry began upon his baptism at 30 yrs old. Both at the beginning of the 70th week (490 years). In the midst of the week (3.5 yrs.) Jesus was crucified in 1.0 AD.
To find the accurate date for the command to rebuild Jerusalem, the math is not complicated.
490 minus 3.5= 486.5. Therefore, in the vicinity of 486 BC is when the commandment was given, which was by king Artexerxes.

As for the Passion week of 7 days within the 70th week of 7 years, I understand how it is being shown in what you posted.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

Notice that the Jew & Gentile are BOTH included in either "Tribulation" or a "Blessing".

Right, but the first tribulation was to the Jews.

 

[Earburner]

Right, but the first tribulation was to the Jews.

That concept is shown in Luke 21:20-24, of which began in 70 AD.
[23] But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Also Rom. 2:9.

 

[rwb]

According to Zech. 4:11-14, John the baptist and Jesus were a joint ministry.
John the baptist's ministry was for 6 mos., and Jesus ministry began upon his baptism at 30 yrs old. Both at the beginning of the 70th week (490 years). In the midst of the week (3.5 yrs.) Jesus was crucified in 1.0 AD.
To find the accurate date for the command to rebuild Jerusalem, the math is not complicated.
490 minus 3.5= 486.5. Therefore, in the vicinity of 486 BC is when the commandment was given, which was by king Artexerxes.

As for the Passion week of 7 days within the 70th week of 7 years, I understand how it is being shown in what you posted.

Your timing doesn't work because you begin counting from Artaxerxes, but the decree began with Cyrus.

But the decrees given by the three was not new decrees but the same decree that was issued and re-issued.

Here are the dates for when the three Kings decreed and re-issued: BC 538 Cyrus decree, BC 520 Darius re-issued, BC 457 Artaxerxes.

Ezra 6:14 (KJV) And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia.

The counting of weeks of years begins with Cyrus, not with Artaxerxes as some believe. The decree first given by Cyrus to build and restore Jerusalem, and the Temple was completed in the 6th year of Darius: the count of the 69 weeks begins. The re-issuance of the same decree by Artaxerxes never tells the Jews to build the Temple as it was already completed in the days of Zerubabel when Darius was king. Nearly sixty years elapsed from Darius during which time the temple was completed, but rebuilding of Jerusalem’s infrastructure had to wait until Artaxerxes ratified the decree again in his seventh year. According to the Hebrew calendar, this date was 457 BC, and Ezra says it happened on the “first day of the first month in the seventh year of King Artaxerxes.” Now, when we count forward 483 years from 1 Nisan 457 BC, it comes out at 1 Nisan AD 27 - Jesus' public ministry.

Although I know John the Baptist was the forerunner of Christ, I don't believe he shared in the ministry with Christ. I believe the two anointed ones of Zech, the two olive branches to be God the Father in Christ and the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist was a human messenger of Christ, another prophet of Christ. But JTB being naturally born could not share in the work that was ordained of Christ alone. JTB would be the first to bear witness of Christ, because Jesus said, "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." It was by His works, through the power of the Holy Spirit that bear witness for who Jesus is.

Luke 7:24-28 (KJV) And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind? But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts. But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet. This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

John 5:31-37 (KJV) If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light. But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 14:9-11 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

 

[David in NJ]

Right, but the first tribulation was to the Jews.

Absolutely True AND not separate from the Gentiles.

BOTH Jew & Gentile are/will suffer Great Tribulation for their Rebellion under the AoD.

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The "them" and "they" are Jews & Gentiles who will abide under the "lawless one"

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

BOTH Jew & Gentile are/will suffer Great Tribulation for their Rebellion under the AoD.

This first tribulation to the Jews was announced to begin by Jesus right after the abomination of desolation and destruction of the Temple mount in Jerusalem occurred in 70 ad. (Luke 21:20-24)

This is referred to in scripture as the tribulation of “those days” which was determined to run “many days” (Daniel 11:33) even all the way to "the fullness of the Gentiles", which I believe is marked by the 6th seal events.

Then at the point of the 6th seal being loosed, this would begin the time of trouble such as the world has never seen, (Daniel 12:1); or the wrath of the Lamb/God beginning to be poured out on the Gentile Nations. (Rev. 6:17)

Many confuse these 2 separate events as one single short tribulation event, but a careful study of scripture will show these 2 events are indeed shown as separate in time.


So in a nut shell you have the begin point of the tribulation of “those days” (days of vengeance and wrath upon the Jews) starting at 70 ad. as Jesus said and then running-------------->>>all the way to “after the tribulations of those days” confirmed by the 6th seal signs in scripture (sun, moon, stars) And then the beginning of God’s wrath being poured out on the entire Gentile world, or a time of trouble such as the world has never seen. All these things can be confirmed by a careful study of scripture.