Dissociative Identity Disorder (formerly Multiple Personality Disorder) and Faith, Heaven, Hell

[Lizbeth]

If you remembered the trauma, you didn't dissociate it, which makes sense being you were past the age when DID typically develops. I think you're describing lie-based thinking and a suppression of your sense of freedom you had before the trauma occurred. Sister, dissociation means there was amnesia around the trauma so that you didn't remember it until later.

ok, so it wasn't full blown dissociation in my case. I never forgot it, but I put it on a shelf and just didnt' start to deal with it consciously until I was around 30....that was the first time it dawned on me that I had actually been abused. (Duh. lol.) What I hadn't retained in memory was how I tried to cope with it until the Lord brought that back to my memory, when I was around 40 ish, and showed me the part that was unconscious as well.

But I think I can understand based on my one experience how multiple traumas could cause one to form multiple personalities or alters. If the first one didn't work to protect, then another one might split off, and if that didn't work and the person was traumatized a third time then they'd try a third one...and so on. (maybe not every time so the number of alters dont' necessarily have to equal the number of assaults). And of course they don't work because they are simply lies/pretence.

There is so much wickedness in this world, it is hard to fathom and hard to bear, sister. I've been praying for God's spirit of justice to expose and bring perpetrators of injustice to justice. Didn't really cotton to the truth that God is a God of justice as well as mercy until a couple of years ago, and He uses governing authorities as His arm of justice. Not our business as the church to mete out justice, only mercy......justice is God's business, not ours, though I believe we can pray for Him to mete out justice where it is necessary...because injustice is against truth.

 

[TLHKAJ]

And of course they don't work because they are simply lies/pretence.

I know you're trying, but I see a severe lack of comprehension as to what alters are. They are parts of the actual person. They aren't just a set of ideals or lies. They are personas who hold beliefs. Those beliefs are a mixture of truths and lies ...but the beliefs are not the persona. When those parts/personalities choose to invite the Lord into their pain, He sorts the mess out and shines His light, and brings truth. And by that, I mean ....an alter may believe that they are to blame for everyone else's pain and suffering. When someone is hurting and they can't do anything about it, it causes tremendous guilt and pain for them. They may go through life trying to take care of everyone else and make sure everyone around them is happy, not sick, or angry, etc. When Jesus is allowed into their pain, He is able to show them what is at the root of their pain and beliefs and frees them from the overwhelming burden of having to "save" everyone from suffering.

This happened to me/alters. God took me to a previously dissociated memory from about age 3. I was sitting on the floor Indian style ...my Mom's head laying in my lap. She was moaning incoherently in pain. And I was given the responsibility of keeping her alive, making sure she didn't die ...somehow,.it was my fault she was hurt. I was a bad girl, etc. So all my life, I took on the guilt ...if she (or someone in my life) wasn't happy or "okay" it was my fault ...always. There wasn't even a concept that it wasn't mine,.my burden, my responsibility. I had to do everything in my power to make sure they were okay, happy, well, that they didn't hold the guilt for their actions, etc... it was "mine."

That's what the cult does in these scenarios ...if the child is not doing as they are told (usually/often some deviant deed), someone else is severely punished, and it's your fault.

When Christ comes and shines His light, they see the truth ....they are freed from the lies, the burdens, the guilt, etc. God then can mend and that part/personality is able to merge/integrate.

 

[Lizbeth]

And by that, I mean ....an alter may believe that they are to blame for everyone else's pain and suffering. When someone is hurting and they can't do anything about it, it causes tremendous guilt and pain for them. They may go through life trying to take care of everyone else and make sure everyone around them is happy, not sick, or angry, etc.

Yep, that sounds exactly like a large part of my life. That is what my false personality was made for....to protect the real me from abuse, as I understand it.....it was a false covering....where scripture says "you have covered yourself with a covering that is not of my spirit". And this became a mindset in general, making me feel responsible for everyone else around me as well. I went into nursing and burnt out before I was 50....from taking my responsibility too hard....and also from serving out of an empty tank since it wasn't true, it wasn't the real me I was serving from. It seems we have a similar point of view, except on one point....as to whether an alter (or what I'm calling a false personality) is part of the real person or not.

I hope you aren't reading condemnation into the word "false".....that isn't how I mean it....just that (to my understanding) it isn't the real person or personality. I think "owning" our method of coping with the abuse can be a part of recovery...repentance. Not for the purpose of "blaming" and condemning ourselves, but for the purpose of being made whole (in God's timing). We have been forgiven in Christ, but that needs to get down deep so that our real self can receive it (as I understand it).

 

[GTW27]

Yep, that sounds exactly like a large part of my life. That is what my false personality was made for....to protect the real me from abuse, as I understand it.....it was a false covering....where scripture says "you have covered yourself with a covering that is not of my spirit". And this became a mindset in general, making me feel responsible for everyone else around me as well. I went into nursing and burnt out before I was 50....from taking my responsibility too hard....and also from serving out of an empty tank since it wasn't true, it wasn't the real me I was serving from. It seems we have a similar point of view, except on one point....as to whether an alter (or what I'm calling a false personality) is part of the real person or not.

I hope you aren't reading condemnation into the word "false".....that isn't how I mean it....just that (to my understanding) it isn't the real person or personality. I think "owning" our method of coping with the abuse can be a part of recovery...repentance. Not for the purpose of "blaming" and condemning ourselves, but for the purpose of being made whole (in God's timing). We have been forgiven in Christ, but that needs to get down deep so that our real self can receive it (as I understand it).

Blessings in Christ Jesus. Perhaps the gift of discernment of spirits would get to what is true and what is a lie. What is from God and what is not. If you came upon, back then, a person with this gift of The Holy Spirit what would have been discerned in you, is just you, weather you reinvented yourself or not. I became the tough guy to adapt to my abuse. The gift of discernment of Spirits is The Lord(The Holy Spirit) and discerns demons, and The Presence of The Lord, weather inside the body or not. The Lord trained me in this area not that I chose it. So the question seems to be, what is an alter and what memories are true and what are false.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Yep, that sounds exactly like a large part of my life. That is what my false personality was made for....to protect the real me from abuse, as I understand it.....it was a false covering....where scripture says "you have covered yourself with a covering that is not of my spirit". And this became a mindset in general, making me feel responsible for everyone else around me as well. I went into nursing and burnt out before I was 50....from taking my responsibility too hard....and also from serving out of an empty tank since it wasn't true, it wasn't the real me I was serving from. It seems we have a similar point of view, except on one point....as to whether an alter (or what I'm calling a false personality) is part of the real person or not.

I hope you aren't reading condemnation into the word "false".....that isn't how I mean it....just that (to my understanding) it isn't the real person or personality. I think "owning" our method of coping with the abuse can be a part of recovery...repentance. Not for the purpose of "blaming" and condemning ourselves, but for the purpose of being made whole (in God's timing). We have been forgiven in Christ, but that needs to get down deep so that our real self can receive it (as I understand it).

Only you didn't form an actual alter personality... there was no direct break forming amnesia around a part of your mind. The term "false personality" doesn't apply within the realm of DID.
If you want to call yourself that was wounded and abused a false identity, that's your prerogative.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Blessings in Christ Jesus. Perhaps the gift of discernment of spirits would get to what is true and what is a lie. What is from God and what is not. If you came upon, back then, a person with this gift of The Holy Spirit what would have been discerned in you, is just you, weather you reinvented yourself or not. I became the tough guy to adapt to my abuse. The gift of discernment of Spirits is The Lord(The Holy Spirit) and discerns demons, and The Presence of The Lord, weather inside the body or not. The Lord trained me in this area not that I chose it. So the question seems to be, what is an alter and what memories are true and what are false.

Brother, with DID, the memories are imprinted in the mind exactly as they happened (along with the pain, the emotions, the visuals, auditory) and then walled off. That is the nature of DID and what allows parts of the person to then carry on life (almost) as if nothing happened. They aren't "false" and that term was created by satanist, literally, to cover the traumas they perpetrated on their children. So when those memories resurface, they are very often abreacted ...re-experienced in full effect and detail.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Yep, that sounds exactly like a large part of my life.

What was the particular trauma that brought on this type of mindset?

 

[GTW27]

Brother, with DID, the memories are imprinted in the mind exactly as they happened (along with the pain, the emotions, the visuals, auditory) and then walled off. That is the nature of DID and what allows parts of the person to then carry on life (almost) as if nothing happened. They aren't "false" and that term was created by satanist, literally, to cover the traumas they perpetrated on their children. So when those memories resurface, they are very often abreacted ...re-experienced in full effect and detail.

Blessings TLHKAJ. You need not try to teach me as The Lord taught me about alters a few years ago. Why would you ever think The Lord (Jesus) would allow you a lifetime of suffering. He would not.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Blessings TLHKAJ. You need not try to teach me as The Lord taught me about alters a few years ago. Why would you ever think The Lord (Jesus) would allow you a lifetime of suffering. He would not.

Suffering has nothing to do with whether God is good. He is good despite that we all were born into a broken world. And as believers, He actually says if we suffer with Him, we will reign with Him.

Btw, God called me to teach and to bridge the gap between the severely suffering/broken and the church.

 

[Lizbeth]

What was the particular trauma that brought on this type of mindset?

Not the traumatic experience itself, but it was my response to the trauma that caused me to go that route, as I described. Anyway I didn't mean to upset you with this. I will leave it alone.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Not the traumatic experience itself, but it was my response to the trauma that caused me to go that route, as I described. Anyway I didn't mean to upset you with this. I will leave it alone.

I'm not upset, sister. I just want survivors to be understood and not judged with ideas that foster condemnation or paint them as being fake, or liars, or somehow evil. I can see how you, with (according to you) some sort of trauma that caused you to adopt a lie-based mindset, but not dissociation, may refer to your wounded mindset as false. But that term "false personality" is not applicable within the subject of DID. You simply had a mindset that you developed as a result of trauma/wounding ...like everyone does when they experience negative things. It's called "lie-based beliefs" and does not mean the person or oart of the person isn't real, or that their trauma isn't real ...or that somehow, the trauma was their fault.

 

[Lizbeth]

I'm not upset, sister. I just want survivors to be understood and not judged with ideas that foster condemnation or paint them as being fake, or liars, or somehow evil. I can see how you, with (according to you) some sort of trauma that caused you to adopt a lie-based mindset, but not dissociation, may refer to your wounded mindset as false. But that term "false personality" is not applicable within the subject of DID. You simply had a mindset that you developed as a result of trauma/wounding ...like everyone does when they experience negative things. It's called "lie-based beliefs" and does not mean the person or oart of the person isn't real, or that their trauma isn't real ...or that somehow, the trauma was their fault.

You are taking this entirely the wrong way. We who believe are not condemned and neither am I condemning and judging or name-calling anyone. We ALL have sinned, and a humble and contrite heart God will not despise. Repentance is a dirty word to many, yet it is like the best kept secret in Christendom. (And God will certainly hold unrepentant perpetrators to account for their part, don't anyone worry about that....I'm not excusing or dismissing or making light of their evil. Just that we are not responsible for what they did, we can only own our response to what happened to us.)

My advice is to not rely on psychology too much sister. Psychology doesn't take into account anything that is going on spiritually. Trials are called temptations in the bible because the devil uses them to tempt us to take his bait and step into His snare (bondage). All flesh is prone to that.

 

[TLHKAJ]

My advice is to not rely on psychology too much sister. Psychology doesn't take into account anything that is going on spiritually.

It isn't about "psychology" sister. God created the mind. What you are posting continually about has nothing to do with people who have been severely and repeatedly traumatized in early childhood (before age 6 or 7) and dissociated as a result. You are not referring to alter personalities, as in parts of the person who are walled off by dissociative barriers. You are referring to a mindset or set of beliefs that result from wounding. Everyone deals with that, which is why when we come to Christ, we are to renew the mind with the Word of God, and we embark on a journey called sanctification.

It would be best not to try to speak to something (amnesic dissociation with parts) you've never actually experienced, nor walked through with the Lord. I have. He specifically brought me to connect with those parts of myself I wasn't aware of (due to dissociation). And He did that because His purpose was to set my captivity free, and to mend, and bind up my brokenness. He has been faithful to do that. Never once has He told any part of me that they were a "false identity." Instead, He taught them that in Him, we live and move and have our being. He validated "our" being ....that every part of me was created by Him, loved, and precious to Him. Our identity is in Him. And yet, He never said any part of me was false. His purpose is healing ... mending, bringing every shattered piece together.

Be blessed, sister. This is not an argument. But we are speaking to two different things here. This thread is about DID and how God deals with parts.

 

[Lizbeth]

It isn't about "psychology" sister. God created the mind. What you are posting continually about has nothing to do with people who have been severely and repeatedly traumatized in early childhood (before age 6 or 7) and dissociated as a result. You are not referring to alter personalities, as in parts of the person who are walled off by dissociative barriers. You are referring to a mindset or set of beliefs that result from wounding. Everyone deals with that, which is why when we come to Christ, we are to renew the mind with the Word of God, and we embark on a journey called sanctification.

It would be best not to try to speak to something (amnesic dissociation with parts) you've never actually experienced, nor walked through with the Lord. I have. He specifically brought me to connect with those parts of myself I wasn't aware of (due to dissociation). And He did that because His purpose was to set my captivity free, and to mend, and bind up my brokenness. He has been faithful to do that. Never once has He told any part of me that they were a "false identity." Instead, He taught them that in Him, we live and move and have our being. He validated "our" being ....that every part of me was created by Him, loved, and precious to Him. Our identity is in Him. And yet, He never said any part of me was false. His purpose is healing ... mending, bringing every shattered piece together.

Be blessed, sister. This is not an argument. But we are speaking to two different things here. This thread is about DID and how God deals with parts.

Yes, it's possible that we are talking about different things.

In my case, the part which tried to protect and "cover" the real me wasn't of God but a product of another spirit.

ok, I'll leave you to it and wish you well in your healing. Bless you sister.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Yes, it's possible that we are talking about different things.

In my case, the part which tried to protect and "cover" the real me wasn't of God but a product of another spirit.

ok, I'll leave you to it and wish you well in your healing. Bless you sister.

Alright, sister.

So, it sounds like you're saying this was not actually a part of your soul created by God, but was demonic.

To be clear to everyone reading, alters/personalities are parts of the soul created by God, which were created by trauma and walled off with dissociative barrier. Demons are not a part of the soul created by God. They are not one and the same. Alters are healed by God. Demons are cast out because they are not parts of the person.

 

[Lizbeth]

Blessings in Christ Jesus. Perhaps the gift of discernment of spirits would get to what is true and what is a lie. What is from God and what is not. If you came upon, back then, a person with this gift of The Holy Spirit what would have been discerned in you, is just you, weather you reinvented yourself or not. I became the tough guy to adapt to my abuse. The gift of discernment of Spirits is The Lord(The Holy Spirit) and discerns demons, and The Presence of The Lord, weather inside the body or not. The Lord trained me in this area not that I chose it. So the question seems to be, what is an alter and what memories are true and what are false.

Thank you for your comments. Think I see my situation more clearly, more unequivocally now, for what it is.

 

[Lizbeth]

Alright, sister.

So, it sounds like you're saying this was not actually a part of your soul created by God, but was demonic.

To be clear to everyone reading, alters/personalities are parts of the soul created by God, which were created by trauma and walled off with dissociative barrier. Demons are not a part of the soul created by God. They are not one and the same. Alters are healed by God. Demons are cast out because they are not parts of the person.

I agree that demons are not part of the person, but they do attach to the person and so become part of the person in that sense. Yes, they need to be cast out, in God's timing when one is prepared and ready I think. Perfecting holiness in spirit, soul, and body.

 

[Hepzibah]

@Lizbeth

Here is an explanation of cPTSD, showing that it is not primarily a psychological problem, but one of alteration of brain structure:

youtube cptsd - Search Videos

www.bing.com

Talk therapy is often harmful, and the condition needs a holistic approach. Recent research shows that even the mitochondria are affected and often copper toxicity needs addressing.

I do not condone yoga or meditation by the way.

A person damaged this way needs love and acceptance and hopefully people gaining knowledge about the condition and especially in the church where I have found, ignorance, judgementalism and retraumatization.

 

[Lizbeth]

@Lizbeth

Here is an explanation of cPTSD, showing that it is not primarily a psychological problem, but one of alteration of brain structure:

youtube cptsd - Search Videos

www.bing.com

Talk therapy is often harmful, and the condition needs a holistic approach. Recent research shows that even the mitochondria are affected and often copper toxicity needs addressing.

I do not condone yoga or meditation by the way.

A person damaged this way needs love and acceptance and hopefully people gaining knowledge about the condition and especially in the church where I have found, ignorance, judgementalism and retraumatization.

Would a wholistic approach involve what is happening spiritually as well...? What happens on a spiritual level affects the body and soul in very real ways.

 

[Hepzibah]

Would a wholistic approach involve what is happening spiritually as well...? What happens on a spiritual level affects the body and soul in very real ways.

Oh yes definitely. I'm still working this out and how l was able to walk in the Spirit when my brain including all of the nervous system was still so damaged. We are so complicated and wonderfully made.

Also how the biological system is involved. I was surprised to hear how the mitochondria, or energy producers in the cell are damaged.This explains the health problems in cPTSD. I have four autoimmune conditions, also common.