God's Hatred

[Jack]

I don't know who you are or what you believe, but I know you don't believe in the God of the bible, because you reject every verse of the bible I quoted.
The God of the bible only loves His children, He hates the Devils children so much that He casts them into hell. I am being transformed into he image of Christ, so I'm loving what He loves more and more as time goes and I'm hating the things and people He hates more and more as time goes by.

Don't you want to be like Christ??? or do you want to be like the Devil who deceives His children into believing that He loves them all unconditionally.

See how God made you admit you're filled with HATRED!

 

[Jack]

You are either a child of God or a child o the Devil. They are no other kinds of people. God forbids His children to have any fellowship with the children of the Devil.

Everything you have said so far tells me that you're not a child of God

And those who HATE people are children of the Devil!

You said, "Yes I hate my parents"!

 

[Jack]

Yes I hate my parents and I hate my life, because I obey my Lord and Savior. Unlike you, I don't cherry pick Gods Word to trash the bitter things and only eat the sweet things.

As a born again elect Saint of God, I don't have the luxury you enjoy. I don't have the option to spit out those bitter things that God feeds me. You don't trust God, so you spit out all those things you don't like and you lean on your own wisdom to save yourself.

Ephesians 6:2-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."

 

[Christian Soldier]

God's Hatred

This is not a request! Matthew 5:44 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, Nobody is denying that Jesus did say that, but we need to consider the context in which it was spoken. We can't pluck out short verses and force the rest of the bible to conform to it. Remember, Jesus is God. He is...

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"Yes I hate my parents"!

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How did you conclude that I'm filled with hate, just because I obey God. ????

 

[Christian Soldier]

See how God made you admit you're filled with HATRED!

 

[Christian Soldier]

And those who HATE people are children of the Devil!

You said, "Yes I hate my parents"!

how does hating your parents equate to being a child of the Devil. You just made that trash up, didn't you!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Ephesians 6:2-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."

That's rubbish, it doesn't tell me to love my parents. You just made up that trash and you push it as some kind of truth but it's nothing more than your own perverted opinion

 

[Jack]

how does hating your parents equate to being a child of the Devil. You just made that trash up, didn't you!

I love my parents. You're the one who said you HATE your parents.

 

[Jack]

That's rubbish, it doesn't tell me to love my parents. You just made up that trash and you push it as some kind of truth but it's nothing more than your own perverted opinion

You just called the Bible rubbish and trash!

Ephesians 6:2-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."

 

[VictoryinJesus]

You didn't consider the fact that God knows whic babies He chose for salvation before He created the world. So He doesn't hate them. Yes those babies He doesn't hate do hate Him and are born in bondage to sin and Satan, but God already elected them to salvation before they were born.

This doesn't mean that they are born any different to any other baby, it just means that God will save them and leave the rest in their sin. Gods elect will be saved no matter what they do, or how much they sin. Nobody is saved because they are good or because they deserve to be saved. They are saved because God is God and He imputes His righteousness on His chosen people.

God saves all kinds of sinners, including murderers and sex offenders. Some are even saved on their death bed, in the last moments of their life. God saves His people at His appointed time, it has nothing to do with any mans choice or obedience or lack there of.

All babies are born enemies of God, who deserve nothing less than condemnation and damnation, but thank God He chose to save a remnant of mankind for Himself.
The question we should all be asking is, "why doesn't He cast everyone into hell", because that's what we all deserve.

I realize I can’t convince you otherwise..to me two things are front and center: Gods hate and God’s respect of persons. to me they do go together. Hate and respect of persons. Those religious leaders spoke of Him as hate and respect of persons. But there are so many contradictions where Jesus Christ told them they are the respecters of persons.
Romans 2:8-13 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, [9] Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; [10] But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: [11] For there is no respect of persons with God. [12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
To me that says that upon …using him as an example…upon Saul tribulation and anguish. Upon Paul glory, honor and peace. By your understanding …Gods’ foreknowledge of when the time come Paul was brought forth, separated from his mothers (the bond woman’s) womb and because of the Mercy of God (the free woman …New Jerusalem up above, made free by the body of Christ) to separate Paul (a vessel of Mercy) from Saul (a vessel fitted for destruction) for God’s glory.
Jeremiah 18:3-4 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. [4] And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.



you are suggesting God’s foreknowledge of Paul being born anew by the body of Christ, God did not hate all the dung sown of Saul (the long-suffering of God enduring “Saul” that God’s Mercy be made manifest “Christ in Paul” …a new vessel yet Saul had been a vessel fitted for destruction…”a waster”, until the time God created a new vessel unto honor “in Christ”… all the taking of the body to be killed “Saul, why do you persecute Me?” unto prison to be tried, binding those who would dare call out unto God, and let’s not forget Saul’s being in agreement with the stoning of Stephen who cried God doesn’t dwell in temples made with hands. It is clear which vessel God has Mercy on (Imo) it’s Paul and on whom he condemns “Saul”. To me that is not favoritism but saying which vessel is prepared unto Glory, and which vessel is destroyed(done away with in Christ). And man can’t debate it, is what I hear. For example men can’t say upon Saul be honor and glory which they do sometimes try to claim to keep their imaginations…if fact it seemed during that transformation of Paul they (those preferring Saul) …they didn’t like the new transformation in Paul. Even they hated it, Christ in Paul. Makes me think of no man strait way prefers the New but prefers the Old. As they prefer Saul. Calling or noting Paul appeared weak to them. And how it has to be put in new skins or bottles unless there is a tear and the old does not agree with the New.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I love my parents. You're the one who said you HATE your parents.

Your parents must be just like you, otherwise you wouldn't love them. Everyone loves their own kind, my parents are Roman Catholics so they're not my kind.

I only love my brethren in Christ and nobody else, because God is a jealous God. He doesn't tolerate infidels who fornicate with the enemy.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You just called the Bible rubbish and trash!

Ephesians 6:2-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."

That's rubbish, that trash is not in the bible. None of that means what you say it means, so it's just trash.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I realize I can’t convince you otherwise..to me two things are front and center: Gods hate and God’s respect of persons. to me they do go together. Hate and respect of persons. Those religious leaders spoke of Him as hate and respect of persons. But there are so many contradictions where Jesus Christ told them they are the respecters of persons.
Romans 2:8-13 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, [9] Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; [10] But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: [11] For there is no respect of persons with God. [12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
To me that says that upon …using him as an example…upon Saul tribulation and anguish. Upon Paul glory, honor and peace. By your understanding …Gods’ foreknowledge of when the time come Paul was brought forth, separated from his mothers (the bond woman’s) womb and because of the Mercy of God (the free woman …New Jerusalem up above, made free by the body of Christ) to separate Paul (a vessel of Mercy) from Saul (a vessel fitted for destruction) for God’s glory.
Jeremiah 18:3-4 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. [4] And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.



you are suggesting God’s foreknowledge of Paul being born anew by the body of Christ, God did not hate all the dung sown of Saul (the long-suffering of God enduring “Saul” that God’s Mercy be made manifest “Christ in Paul” …a new vessel yet Saul had been a vessel fitted for destruction…”a waster”, until the time God created a new vessel unto honor “in Christ”… all the taking of the body to be killed “Saul, why do you persecute Me?” unto prison to be tried, binding those who would dare call out unto God, and let’s not forget Saul’s being in agreement with the stoning of Stephen who cried God doesn’t dwell in temples made with hands. It is clear which vessel God has Mercy on (Imo) it’s Paul and on whom he condemns “Saul”. To me that is not favoritism but saying which vessel is prepared unto Glory, and which vessel is destroyed(done away with in Christ). And man can’t debate it, is what I hear. For example men can’t say upon Saul be honor and glory which they do sometimes try to claim to keep their imaginations…if fact it seemed during that transformation of Paul they (those preferring Saul) …they didn’t like the new transformation in Paul. Even they hated it, Christ in Paul. Makes me think of no man strait way prefers the New but prefers the Old. As they prefer Saul. Calling or noting Paul appeared weak to them. And how it has to be put in new skins or bottles unless there is a tear and the old does not agree with the New.

You're trying compartmentalize Gods work of saving His elect. From our human standpoint it appears that God is working in our realm of time and space. But that's not the case at all, from Gods view, everything that will ever happened has already taken place, so He can see the whole of history and future, time and space at the same time as if everything has already happened.

We need to take God's omnipotence and omnipresence into account when we interpret the bible doctrine of predestination and election to salvation.
There's no way we can grasp Gods ways, as they are infinitely higher than ours. I've never heard or read about anyone who has successfully explained how God operates. God is a mystery, we actually know very little about Him, and that's the way God wants it to be.

God is no respecter of any person, nothing we do or say has any baring on what He has predestined and preordained. We have nothing to offer God at all, everyone is exactly the same. We're all beggars, with nothing but our sin and depravity to offer God.
Saul/Paul is no different, he was born an enemy of God and like the rest of us, he hated God before he was converted and quickened to life. He didn't do anything to cause God to save him, God made that choice before time began.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

You're trying compartmentalize Gods work of saving His elect. From our human standpoint it appears that God is working in our realm of time and space. But that's not the case at all, from Gods view, everything that will ever happened has already taken place, so He can see the whole of history and future, time and space at the same time as if everything has already happened.

You said I’m trying to compartmentalize God’s work of saving his elect. Maybe so. Then you went on to say…

There's no way we can grasp Gods ways, as they are infinitely higher than ours. I've never heard or read about anyone who has successfully explained how God operates. God is a mystery, we actually know very little about Him, and that's the way God wants it to be.

I’m only sharing how I see it. Same as you. I was responding to your saying God doesn’t hate all babies…which I understood you to say God only hates those babies not elected. As you said we can not know how God operates, and how God is a Mystery. Agree. But at the same time how do you know God only hates those babies not elected? that seems like you’re compartmentalizing with a statement based off of your opinion. I only gave reasons for why I doubt it’s as you said.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You said I’m trying to compartmentalize God’s work of saving his elect. Maybe so. Then you went on to say…


I’m only sharing how I see it. Same as you. I was responding to your saying God doesn’t hate all babies…which I understood you to say God only hates those babies not elected. As you said we can not know how God operates, and how God is a Mystery. Agree. But at the same time how do you know God only hates those babies not elected? that seems like you’re compartmentalizing with a statement based off of your opinion. I only gave reasons for why I doubt it’s as you said.

I'm not basing the fact that God hates all those He casts into hell, on my opinion. You agree God doesn't cast those He loves (the elect) into hell.

I know God only hates those babies which are not elected for salvation, because He hates sinners. He makes no distinction between Lucifer and His rebellious Angels, and sinful rebellious men.

God prepared the lake of fire, to be a place of eternal torment for Lucifer and His Angels, but the vast majority of mankind will join them in the lake of fire because they also sinned against God.

The doctrine of original sins confirms the fact that, that every sing person ever born is fallen. So nobody deserves to be saved, we have all gone astray and non seek after God and there is not one righteous no not one. So we all deserve to be hated and cast into the lake of fire, but God chose to save some for Himself.

God doesn't hat those He chose to save before He created the world, He wrote their names in His book. So, God never hated me, even while I was His enemy and I hated Him. But this doesn't mean that I was not an abomination in His sight, He still has to kill me and recreate me with a new spirit and a new glorified body, before I can come into His presence.

The only reason His elect escape judgement and damnation, is because we are hid in Christ. So God doesn't see us, but He sees His Son and we are counted as righteous by proxy. Christ's righteousness is imputed to His elect.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I'm not basing the fact that God hates all those He casts into hell, on my opinion. You agree God doesn't cast those He loves (the elect) into hell.

I’m considering in the Old Testament when the furnace was heated sevens times hotter…and they see men walking in the fire unharmed. Growing up I was given an image of hell and it looked like this…a literal place burning with literal flames where people scream always in agony because the literal fire never fully, ever completes its consumption of their flesh. As a child I was given the picture that this place the devil and his demons rule over. How this place is where bad people go to where satan and his demons can torment them forever …in my mind satan was red with the pitch fork or tools much like where the Bible says the harvesting tools (winnowing fork) and here this satan shoots darts out of his fork -fire—out at those he torments. This is depicted in cartoons. Obviously as a child I saw satan having a good ol’ time in hell along with his demons because this hell is his dominion. Satan getting exactly what he so desired of a place to call home and take others into hell with him. This is satans place you’ll end up in if you choose to follow satan into hell, I was told. I no longer believe the cartoon version of hell.

I know God only hates those babies which are not elected for salvation, because He hates sinners. He makes no distinction between Lucifer and His rebellious Angels, and sinful rebellious men.

You’ve made it what you choose it to be, your interpretation and say the word supports it.

God prepared the lake of fire, to be a place of eternal torment for Lucifer and His Angels, but the vast majority of mankind will join them in the lake of fire because they also sinned against God.

What God meant for good, men mean for harm. God also prepared a giant fish to swallow Jonah up, and Jonah cried out to God from the bowels (belly) of hell.

The doctrine of original sins confirms the fact that, that every sing person ever born is fallen. So nobody deserves to be saved, we have all gone astray and non seek after God and there is not one righteous no not one. So we all deserve to be hated and cast into the lake of fire, but God chose to save some for Himself.

You keep saying that. But do you really believe it. Because to me you hold yourself in high regard above others.

God doesn't hat those He chose to save before He created the world, He wrote their names in His book. So, God never hated me, even while I was His enemy and I hated Him. But this doesn't mean that I was not an abomination in His sight, He still has to kill me and recreate me with a new spirit and a new glorified body, before I can come into His presence.

I think of the verses where we were also enemies of God yet God loved us while we were yet still enemies. And gave Himself for us. But all we want to discuss is His hatred?

The only reason His elect escape judgement and damnation, is because we are hid in Christ. So God doesn't see us, but He sees His Son and we are counted as righteous by proxy. Christ's righteousness is imputed to His elect.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I’m considering in the Old Testament when the furnace was heated sevens times hotter…and they see men walking in the fire unharmed. Growing up I was given an image of hell and it looked like this…a literal place burning with literal flames where people scream always in agony because the literal fire never fully, ever completes its consumption of their flesh. As a child I was given the picture that this place the devil and his demons rule over. How this place is where bad people go to where satan and his demons can torment them forever …in my mind satan was red with the pitch fork or tools much like where the Bible says the harvesting tools (winnowing fork) and here this satan shoots darts out of his fork -fire—out at those he torments. This is depicted in cartoons. Obviously as a child I saw satan having a good ol’ time in hell along with his demons because this hell is his dominion. Satan getting exactly what he so desired of a place to call home and take others into hell with him. This is satans place you’ll end up in if you choose to follow satan into hell, I was told. I no longer believe the cartoon version of hell.

You’ve made it what you choose it to be, your interpretation and say the word supports it.

What God meant for good, men mean for harm. God also prepared a giant fish to swallow Jonah up, and Jonah cried out to God from the bowels (belly) of hell.

You keep saying that. But do you really believe it. Because to me you hold yourself in high regard above others.

I think of the verses where we were also enemies of God yet God loved us while we were yet still enemies. And gave Himself for us. But all we want to discuss is His hatred?

It's sad to hear that you grew up in a Satanic Church, where they taught you the doctrine of Demons. I'm glad to hear that you don't believe in their teaching about Satan anymore, but you're theology is still messed up and incoherent.

I hope you find a faithful Shepherd to teach you the truth of the gospel, you will need to renounce and abandon most of what you currently believe and study the Word of God to learn what Gods said and not what His enemies taught you.

I don't make Gods Word say anything, as it says what it wants. It's not there for me to twist or change anything that God said. Gods Word interprets Gods Word, anyone who adds or takes away from what He said, shall be cast into the lake of fire to be tormented in the flames for all eternity.

You need to learn the different applications of the word "hell" in the bible, before you make silly comments about a subject which you are obviously clueless about.

I have no idea who your referring to when you say "God loved us while we were yet His enemies", who are the "us". Do you mean the Devil and His Demons????

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I have no idea who your referring to when you say "God loved us while we were yet His enemies", who are the "us". Do you mean the Devil and His Demons????

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

I was commenting to your saying you have never been an enemy of God’s. Even if I’m not in the “us” or “we” being reconciled. Those verses at least tell me it is possible to be an enemy God before being reconciled. Which unless I misunderstood you, you’ve said it is not possible for those elected. God even favoring elected babies whom He loves, and not elected babies whom He hates. ok. Makes no sense to me but I’ll let you have it. I’ll agree.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

I was commenting to your saying you have never been an enemy of God’s. Even if I’m not in the “us” or “we” being reconciled. Those verses at least tell me it is possible to be an enemy God before being reconciled. Which unless I misunderstood you, you’ve said it is not possible for those elected. God even favoring elected babies whom He loves, and not elected babies whom He hates. ok. Makes no sense to me but I’ll let you have it. I’ll agree.

Yes I'm well aware that those verses are referring to the elect only.

Every single person ever born was born an enemy of God. Those verses are not saying that it's possible to be reconciled to God, in any way shape or form.
The only way sinners can be reconciled, is if God elected to save them before He created the world. There is no other way, God knows this and that's why He doesn't hate His elect, even when we hated Him.

So, while the elect and non elect are both born enemies of God and the elect are no better then the non elect. God never hates His elect, because He knows they will be justified. But those whom He leaves in their condemned state of sin, will never know forgiveness of their sin or His love.

 

[Jack]

Your parents must be just like you, otherwise you wouldn't love them. Everyone loves their own kind, my parents are Roman Catholics so they're not my kind.

I only love my brethren in Christ and nobody else, because God is a jealous God. He doesn't tolerate infidels who fornicate with the enemy.

Jesus said to love your enemies. You do not! Doesn't sound like you love anyone but YOU.