I also want to point out that it was @lforrest who brought this thread to my attention.
Dissociative Identity Disorder (formerly Multiple Personality Disorder) and Faith, Heaven, Hell
- Thread starter Ava
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Lambano
Well-Known Member
I'm intrigued because the OP assumes that each alter is an independent soul. But God is quite capable of re-integrating multiple alters into a single coherent person, healing the damage that spun-off the alters in the first place. ("What is impossible with Man is possible with God.") @TLHKAJ, isn't that consistent with your own testimony? I am assuming that the integrated person would be saved.
Last edited:
Yes, brother. The extreme traumas that create separate "personalities" shatter the soul and the spirit. But each shattered piece is part of that one soul God created at conception.
My experience is that I was so shattered that many (thousands) of shattered pieces of my soul lived outside the body, leaving the body in shattered pieces. It was safer to be outside the body than inside the body. Some of my earliest memories are from outside the body, and I saw other pieces of my soul leave the body during traumas. (age 2)
God's purpose and plan for us is for good. (Jer 29:11) He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds.
To any who are reading ...it doesn't matter how extensive the shattering. God knows every part of you. He formed you in the womb and breathed His neshamah (breath of life) into you at conception and you became a living (single, whole) soul. He hasn't lost one tiny piece. HE IS ABLE to bring you to wholeness. Believe Him. Trust Him.
Philippians 1:6
[6]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
It can seem that each alter is an independent soul due to the level of the walls/barriers between each part. And they often do function very well (or seemingly very well) independently. Very often, each alter is separated by such strong barriers they aren't aware there are other parts.
I'm not technically endorsing a movie, but when I find one that depicts DID very realistically, I sometimes recommend the movie ....even if some discretion is needed. There are a couple or few places in the movie that I choose to skip over (30 secs or a minute here and there) bc you get the idea without having to see the whole scene.
The movie is called, "The Terror Inside" and stars Heather Locklear.
There are two other movies that don't mention DID, but they do demonstrate very accurately the way dissociated memories can be triggered to resurface by certain circumstances later in life.
One is "Shattered Trust" starring Melissa Gilbert, and is based on a true story.
The other is called, "Shattering the Silence" starring Joanna Kerns.
Demons don't ask permission to take over a human or an animal...they just move into a new home after the old one dies or gets boring.
Taken
Well-Known Member
You are NOT a “WE”.
You are A single individual with the SAME capabilities of any INDIVIDUAL who experiences: Likes, Dislikes…
* with the ABILITIES to Remember, Forget, Dwell / Focus on or Dismiss.
* Every individual, HAS the ability to REACT to a particular PLEASANT or UNPLEASANT “memory”….IN the SAME WAY as the individual’s “memory” “thought” … at the “AGE” the individual “WAS” when the “pleasant or unpleasant” incident(S) occurred.
What ever LABEL men prescribe to HOW an individual “deals with…is haunted by…continues to focus on….etc.” IS just Labels.
It does not MAKE you multiple (we) individuals.
When you were naturally born, a baby, a toddler, a youth, a preteen, a teen, a young adult, an adult….BY Gods own Design…you were naturally born against God, and during your phases of growth (aging)….you may have heard, believed, doubted, denied, wondered, believed, doubted, etc. Which IS the natural course for humans.
(Every time you Heard and Believed…it is called TASTING)…(not committing.)
It is rather… OFTEN after an individual goes through such stages…IF they continue “hearing the Gospel”….they BEGIN to weigh their OPTIONS to…stay in the rollercoaster of believe, deny……completely decide to REJECT….or Completely decide to TRUST and SUBMIT…and EAT …. Consume the Word of God…and expressly ANNOUNCE to the Lord their Freewill Choosing.
When you say…YOU Believe….but indicating some of your alter egos do not….
whether you wanting my opinion…I believe, it is a “reference” to a past memory of an age, you were not in belief.
I do not judge you for HOW you deal with past ‘unpleasant’ (traumas, or however you describe them)….BUT I do see, you carry and focus on those “past” incidents that it “negatively” affects you in your present life.
(As an example…any person who has a “negativity” in their past…drugs, alcohol, unbelief, battering, etc. and they continually talk about, focus on, drugs, alcohol, unbelief, battering…..WHERE is their FOCUS…NOT?
The answer IS: NOT on what they have BeCOME….rather continuing in what they WERE.)
It is a strange / odd thing to say…”JUST”….FORGET It……UNREMEMBER this or that…
However it is also a strange / odd thing…to continually keep in the forefront…past unpleasant experiences….REGARDLESS of the MANNER IN HOW AN INDIVIDUAL continues to KEEP unpleasant past incidents in their daily present lives.
(Ex…displaying bottles of booze to SEE daily….at a young age being betrayed by people one thought they could trust…etc.)
Individuals ONLY have one SOUL.
An individual ONLY has one HEART.
An individual ONLY has one MIND.
Minds can believe multiple things, even deluding that “opposites” are the same things.
Heart is where the natural “spirit” of man is; to which is where the mans natural “TRUTH” is regardless of what his MIND thinks.
ONLY by, through, of Christ Jesus, “IN” a man, can the Heart and Mind Become reconcile with ONE trustworthy TRUTH; being Gods TRUTH…..which according to Gods ORDER and WAY….is Confessed Belief unto the Lord and Willingness of the individual to be MADE Baptized with the Holy Spirit; which IS Christ.
DO THAT…and Nothing can separate you from the Lord God Almighty.
Thank you. Hope that helps. God bless you as well.
Glory to God,
Taken
Last edited:
Much of what you've said is truth. But much of what you've written is based on your own understanding rather than experience or truth. DID is very complex and it's hard to understand unless you've lived it or have received understanding from the Lord.
Alters are created when there is a severe blow/trauma in early childhood. But also, a person who has been a victim of trauma from birth is able to split in adolescence and adulthood in order to survive. And alters do function like separate people, though they are parts of the same soul/person. Alters who were created in early childhood often will continue to function as seemingly separate persons well into adulthood.
It's much more complex than that, even. Some alters may not hold any memory of trauma at all. When a severe trauma occurs, there may be dozens or more splinters or splits that happen from that one trauma, depending on how severe the trauma. Most of those splits will not function as a "person" on the outside. Instead, their job is to hold bits of the trauma away from the main split. Those will hold pain, sadness, anger, fear, etc ...and others will hold parts of the actual trauma memory so that the memory is split up into many parts. (This is why memories often come in tiny bits like a puzzle that has to be put together. Or, a person may be triggered and feels anger or some other severe emotion and not know where it's coming from ...only to then begin getting short flashes of memories later on to match the emotions.)
That may not make a lot of sense to you, but you're speaking from your own understanding rather than from understanding given by God. There is only one soul, this is true. But DID is caused by trauma so severe that is shatters the soul. And the nature of DID is that the shattered parts of the soul can and do function as if they are separate people.
God's process of healing me (and so many other survivors) was/is to draw forward those shattered parts and minister to them individually ....just as if they were separate people. He has thousands of times, called me into His presence for that very purpose ...to comfort my heart, and draw those parts forward, and allow me to witness how He loves me by how He loves and ministers to my brokenness (alters) individually. I can't will myself healed and whole. That has to be God's doings. I can cooperate with His healing by coming to Him when He calls.
A person with DID cannot just say, "That's all in the past... alters are my imagination ....I won't switch anymore." It doesn't work that way. The soul is literally shattered. That's a work that only God can do to heal a shattered soul.
And too, it's not "just the past." For survivors of SRA and MK Ultra, they live under constant threat and often are physically accessed and punished severely for breaking their programming. Please ....try to get God's understanding before you say things that can cause undue condemnation.
Last edited:
Taken
Well-Known Member
Hi T~
I understand clinical names given conditions, and and AGREE there are different coping mechanisms individuals adopt, gravitate toward, develop….whatever be the broad term….FOR a broad range of reasonings….AS they having experienced….broad ranges of negativities…
Physical, verbal, sexual, drug induced, etc. etc. abuses….typically beginning at young ages, by other people whom there was an expectation of trust.
Per the aspect of a relationship between an individual and God….there is One body, One spirit and One soul and One heart and One truth in that heart….
God is not confused over the multiple physical diseases and mental afflictions that plagues manKIND….God KNEW US BEFORE we were formed and Prepared a Place FOR US Before we were born…. Long Before any person had to be confronted with Tribulations of men against men….
And IMO…men (and females) who….DO horrible things …. Be it causing other to be infected with poisons, toxins, drugging, operating for experiments, verbally, physically, sexually, mentally injuring….is tribulations of men against men….and especially horrific against defenseless children…..the SCARS are deep and HOW they cope, (if they survive) in itself is miraculous. And without doubt not a “historical” solved problem…
Glory to God,
Taken
Scripture says it's the INNER MAN that has been created after the image of He who created it. The inner man of those who believe by faith has been regenerated. But I think we are all dealing with false personalities to some extent that need to be brought into line with the truth, while those with DID have more than one to bring into line with the truth. How I'm thinking of it.
There is no such thing as false personalities. The issue is of a broken and/or shattered soul. The parts (of the soul, ie, "personalities") are fragments of one soul. They're no more false than you (the person who typed this post) are. You have believed lies in your lifetime based on wrong information, or wounding, etc .... it's no different with alter personalities. It doesn't make them a false personality any more than you are a false personality. Each has their own experiences. God is the only one who can bring truth to, and mend a shattered soul.
As a man thinks, so is he. If we believe a lie it causes us, our soul/personality (or pieces thereof), to bend away from the truth. (That's why the truth will set us free.) Makes sense to me. But of course you're free to disagree.
But my main point was to say what I believe makes a person saved (since I saw this came up somewhere in the thread)........since one alter might believe in Jesus while another alter might not believe......it came to mind that what makes a person saved is the renewing/regeneration of the inner man regardless of what some alters believe. Once anyone is saved our battle is not with the new/renewed inner man which the bible says is created in the image of Christ.....which is why we delight in the law of God after the inner man....but the battle is with the more superficial part or parts of us (soul/personality/flesh nature) that we are trying to bring into line with the truth and inner man of the heart/spirit. Worth considering I think , or maybe that question already got resolved along the way. Anyway, I'll just leave it at that.
DuckieLady
Well-Known Member
How does that work, I wonder? Since eye issues are physical things and not psychological, unless it's psychogenic. I don't understand.
Anyway, I believe that God is the best judge of whatever is going on. While most of us probably believe this is more of a spiritual issue, I can't be sure for sure. I'm not qualified to judge.
I do believe God is the only one who knows your true heart and your true faith.
I'd have a hard time ever believing that God doesn't have compassion for people struggling with mental illness.
I actually agree with what scripture says and what I have written is in agreement with scripture. And yet, there are no false identities. Whether someone believes a lie does not make them a false identity. Do you still have any place in you that believes lies? I don't believe there is one person alive who knows or has 100% knowledge of the truth. And yet ....are you a false identity because you still have brokenness or lie based thinking? No. You and I and every believer alive is and will be in a continual path of mind renewal until we get Home. That's just the truth. I don't think we have a disagreement ...just that the term "false identities" is incorrect.
I'm sure you know, sister, that DID is not a mental illness. It is a way the mind responds to trauma. When you hit something hard and often enough, it breaks. That's what trauma does to the soul. It isn't "spiritual" as in demonic. It is a result of trauma.
With true mental illness, there is a chemical imbalance. DID involves no chemical imbalance.
DuckieLady
Well-Known Member
The article is very contradictory. It plainly states that it is a result of early childhood trauma. What? Is it an illness, or is it a result of trauma?
An illness is treated with medications. DID is not helped with meds. (There may be co-factors that can be treated with meds, such as depression, for instance.) It is well known that meds actually hinder healing of DID. I know ... I've been in this community for many years. I read the papers. I have personal experience. And I know many survivors who testified that meds hindered their progress. Cult implanted psych docs often do prescribe drugs for that very purpose... it masks DID, subdues the mind, and hinders healing. It also makes the victim more vulnerable and susceptible to control. I suspect this is why they changed the DSM.
I had a feeling this would happen, as the elite cult is all over it. Up until quite recently, it was not considered a mental illness at all due to the fact it is not a true illness, and there is no chemical imbalance involved. It isn't an illness. It is a coping mechanism. I have to take this with a grain of salt considering the cult is all over this ...just as they birthed the idea of "false memories."
Last edited:
Not false identities, false personalities. People can develop false personas to cope with trauma or I think in a gradual way just trying to get along and cope with life and the world period. I know it happened with me....I never forgot the trauma, though I put it on a shelf - but years later as an adult the Lord brought back the memory of right after it, when the real me went underground to try and keep the real me protected, and a false me (personality) began to interact with the world. I made what some call an "inner vow"...I vowed that I would never let this happen to me again and going underground was how I kept that vow. Instead of turning to God for protection and comfort (His comfort is what heals), and trusting in Him (didn't yet know Him way back then), I relied on self. And the devil was right there to help me do it......it was "a covenant with death" and instead of being a help it was a bondage that snapped shut over me like a bear trap and robbed my life after that. I began to own my wrong....as God's word says to confess our sins and He will be faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us.....and elsewhere the Lord pleads with His people, "only acknowledge your sins." Through that trauma I was tempted to take a wrong turn against the truth, putting my hand in the devil's hand and live a lie. That's why trials are also called temptations.
Everyone is "shaped" to whatever degree by their life experiences, especially early ones. I don't think this necessarily disagrees with things that you are talking about....might only be another way to think of it, or approach it, using different words, I'm not sure. Thought it might be helpful.
Personality, identity ...same thing, sister. I have no idea why you call yourself a false personality. All of you is you and not something else. All trauma causes some sort of belief pattern. Jesus came to set the captives free. You will know the truth and the truth will make you free. When we know the truth, healing comes. It's the lies that are cast out, not the personality. The beliefs were "fasle" or lie-based. That doesn't mean a part of you was somehow false.
How old were you when the trauma happened? Are you sure you had a full blown alter personality? If the trauma didn't cause dissociation, you likely didn't have a separate personality. It sounds like you more or less developed a way of living according to lie-based thinking.
I'm not calling myself a false personality, I'm only calling my false personality false, because it was. The real me went into hiding. I don't know how full-blown it was or what to compare it to. I just know that is what the Lord revealed to me about my situation and it taught me some principles. I think it probably is what psychologists would call dissociation. I was seven or eight when it happened.
If you remembered the trauma, you didn't dissociate it, which makes sense being you were past the age when DID typically develops. I think you're describing lie-based thinking and a suppression of your sense of freedom you had before the trauma occurred. Sister, dissociation means there was amnesia around the trauma so that you didn't remember it until later.
Similar threads
