Revelation 19:18-20:6=Daniel 7:23-27

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For those who argue revelation 19-20 are not in chronological order.Daniel 7:23-27 is proof it is.

Let the scripture speak for itself.


Revelation 19

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 20

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Daniel 7

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[IndianaRob]

For those who argue revelation 19-20 are not in chronological order.Daniel 7:23-27 is proof it is.

Let the scripture speak for itself.


Revelation 19

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 20

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Daniel 7

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

I agree with that but I just don’t understand why you can’t see the kingdom was given to the saints of the most high at the cross.

 

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I agree with that but I just don’t understand why you can’t see the kingdom was given to the saints of the most high at the cross.

The kingdom under heaven has not been given to Christ yet.It is not given to Christ till the 7th Trump sounds.

Daniel 7
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


This kingdom under heaven being spoken of is governed by the beast and ten horns today.It has been since 1948.When Christ comes ,the beast and the ten horns will be destroyed and the kingdom will be given to the saints.

As I said ,Christ does not receive this kingdom till the 7th Trump.

Revelation 11
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

This kingdom under heaven being spoken of is governed by the beast and ten horns today.It has been since 1948.

Who do you think the beast is that has been reigning since 1948?

 

[IndianaRob]

The kingdom under heaven has not been given to Christ yet.It is not given to Christ till the 7th Trump sounds.

Daniel 7
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


This kingdom under heaven being spoken of is governed by the beast and ten horns today.It has been since 1948.When Christ comes ,the beast and the ten horns will be destroyed and the kingdom will be given to the saints.

As I said ,Christ does not receive this kingdom till the 7th Trump.

Revelation 11
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Who do you think has stewardship of the kingdom of heaven right now? TheJews?

 

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Who do you think has stewardship of the kingdom of heaven right now? TheJews?

As of now,A little horn and the ten different horns are governing the kingdom under heaven promised to the saints.



The Jews who are not in Christ are not heirs.
Only them who belong to Christ are heirs.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


After the beast and ten horns are destroyed,that kingdom under heaven will be given to them who belong to Christ.It will never be taken away or destroyed after they receive it

 

[CTK]

For those who argue revelation 19-20 are not in chronological order.Daniel 7:23-27 is proof it is.

Let the scripture speak for itself.


Revelation 19

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 20

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


Daniel 7

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Just wanted to ask some questions regarding these verses in Daniel - I cannot speak at all about Revelation. Can you tell me who this 4th beast kingdom is in your interpretation? In my study, this is pagan Rome who was in power at the time of the arrival of the Messiah in the first century.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

If this is indeed pagan Rome, then these 10 horns (which also represented the 10 toes) shall arise (meaning they come out of pagan Rome). And this verse also tells us the little horn shall rise after them, and subdue 3 of the 10 kings.

So, if the 10 toes come first, then Daniel refers to them as 10 horns (after something happens.. some event takes place that changes them from toes to horns (powers), then the little horn also comes out and arises, meaning he starts off small and grows in power himself. But the 10 horns also grow in power during a period of time just as the little horn is growing in power.

But after some time, the 10 horns (powers) grow and are now referred to as 10 kings - meaning they have risen to prominance. But the little horn also has risen to such power that he could subdue 3 of the 10 kings.

If we were to try and summarize the above events that take place over time, we have the 10 toes becoming 10 powers after an event within pagan Rome. This little horn also arises out of pagan Rome to rise to power and subdue 3 of the 10 when they come to prominance and can be labeled as kings. All of this happens within the 4th beast kingdom. So if the 4th beast kingdom is pagan Rome AND pagan Rome was slain and its body was destroyed (7:25), then both the 10 kings and the little horn had to come out of pagan Rome before it was destroyed in 476 AD.

Look forward to your thoughts... again... I am just able to discuss Daniel, not Revelation. They certainly will not contradict each other, but of course, Daniel came some years before Revelation.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[tailgator]

Just wanted to ask some questions regarding these verses in Daniel - I cannot speak at all about Revelation. Can you tell me who this 4th beast kingdom is in your interpretation? In my study, this is pagan Rome who was in power at the time of the arrival of the Messiah in the first century.


If this is indeed pagan Rome, then these 10 horns (which also represented the 10 toes) shall arise (meaning they come out of pagan Rome). And this verse also tells us the little horn shall rise after them, and subdue 3 of the 10 kings.

So, if the 10 toes come first, then Daniel refers to them as 10 horns (after something happens.. some event takes place that changes them from toes to horns (powers), then the little horn also comes out and arises, meaning he starts off small and grows in power himself. But the 10 horns also grow in power during a period of time just as the little horn is growing in power.

But after some time, the 10 horns (powers) grow and are now referred to as 10 kings - meaning they have risen to prominance. But the little horn also has risen to such power that he could subdue 3 of the 10 kings.

If we were to try and summarize the above events that take place over time, we have the 10 toes becoming 10 powers after an event within pagan Rome. This little horn also arises out of pagan Rome to rise to power and subdue 3 of the 10 when they come to prominance and can be labeled as kings. All of this happens within the 4th beast kingdom. So if the 4th beast kingdom is pagan Rome AND pagan Rome was slain and its body was destroyed (7:25), then both the 10 kings and the little horn had to come out of pagan Rome before it was destroyed in 476 AD.

Look forward to your thoughts... again... I am just able to discuss Daniel, not Revelation. They certainly will not contradict each other, but of course, Daniel came some years before Revelation.

It has nothing to do with Rome.
It is the little country called Israel that subdued three kings in 1967.
The kings of Jordan,Syria and Egypt.It was at that time Israel(the little horn )secured the seven hilled city of Jerusalem.

It's not rome who will persecute the saints of God in the end times.Its Jerusalem.The same kingdom given to the saints after the beast is destroyed.The promised land which is promised to the saints of God.

Mathew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

The christians in Rome will be just fine .It's the christians in Israel who will be imprisoned and killed for their testimony of Jesus.And I do believe this persecution will begin next year.

 

[CTK]

It has nothing to do with Rome.
It is the little country called Israel that subdued three kings in 1967.
The kings of Jordan,Syria and Egypt.It was at that time Israel(the little horn )secured the seven hilled city of Jerusalem.

It's not rome who will persecute the saints of God in the end times.Its Jerusalem.The same kingdom given to the saints after the beast is destroyed.The promised land which is promised to the saints of God.

Mathew 10
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

The christians in Rome will be just fine .It's the christians in Israel who will be imprisoned and killed for their testimony of Jesus.And I do believe this persecution will begin next year.

Ok and thanks. Who is your 4th kingdom beast in chapter 2? Isn't that pagan Rome who conquered almos the entire world and was noted for trampling down their enemies and of course used iron in the weapons?

 

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Ok and thanks. Who is your 4th kingdom beast in chapter 2? Isn't that pagan Rome who conquered almos the entire world and was noted for trampling down their enemies and of course used iron in the weapons?

Rome did not conquer almost the whole world.
The Han dynasty was in China arose before Rome.




Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.





These saints are not in Rome.They are dwelling in the same land they are beheaded and resurected in.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

This kingdom under heaven being spoken of is governed by the beast and ten horns today.It has been since 1948.

Who do you think the beast is that has been reigning since 1948?

Since you refuse to answer the question, I’ll tell you why Israel is not the beast.

Revelation 17:12-17

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12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”

Then 10 kings of Islam are NOT allied with Israel, nor do they give their power and strength to Israel. So Israel does not fit the description of the beast that is allied with the 10 kings of Islam.

But the 10 kings of Islam do hate both Jews and Christians who have played the harlot with the ways of the world.

 

[tailgator]

Who do you think the beast is that has been reigning since 1948?

Since you refuse to answer the question, I’ll tell you why Israel is not the beast.

Revelation 17:12-17​

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12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”

Then 10 kings of Islam are NOT allied with Israel, nor do they give their power and strength to Israel. So Israel does not fit the description of the beast that is allied with the 10 kings of Islam.

But the 10 kings of Islam do hate both Jews and Christians who have played the harlot with the ways of the world.

You've got the wrong beast.
The beast which came out of the sea who received a deadly wound and was healed is not the same beast as the one who will come up out of the abyss.

Try again Einstein.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You've got the wrong beast.
The beast which came out of the sea who received a deadly wound and was healed is not the same beast as the one who will come up out of the abyss.

Try again Einstein.

You must have a reading comprehension problem concerning the beast that is allied with the 10 kings. Pay attention Einstein…

Revelation 17:7-13

King James Version

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7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, IS the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns that Carries the woman.

This entire beast that was, and is not, even (((he is the eighth,)))shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.

This beast is not Israel because Israel is not allied with the 10 kings of Islam.

 

[tailgator]

You must have a reading comprehension problem concerning the beast that is allied with the 10 kings. Pay attention Einstein…

Revelation 17:7-13​

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7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, IS the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns that Carries the woman.

This entire beast that was, and is not, even (((he is the eighth,)))shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.

This beast is not Israel because Israel is not allied with the 10 kings of Islam.

You must have the reading comprehension problem.

The beast which came out of the sea which the prostitute worships and recieves its mark is not the beast which ascends out of the bottomless pit and destroys the prostitute.

In almost this you don't know the prostitute worships the beast from the sea .That is why God gives her the cup of the wine of the wrath of God


Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Revelation16:19
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.





In other words,you can't tell the difference between the king of Babylon ,and the king of the Medes which attacks Babylon and destroys it.You believe they are the same thing.