What makes a doctrine false?

[St. SteVen]

From the OP.

What makes a doctrine false?
Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)
2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)
3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)
4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)
5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)
6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

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[Behold]

There is Paul's Doctrine, and then there is everything else.

That's how you "find out" what is not true, and what is deception.

You learn that RULE, and study from there, according to the Apostle to whom Jesus gave "church Doctrine".

So, when it does not align 100% with Paul's Theology, then you put it away, and you do the same with those who will disagree.

See reader, before there was a "CULT OF MARY", and "John Calvin" and "church fathers" who are Catholics.. there was just Jesus giving Paul the doctrine for the Church. (The body of Christ).

Its really that simple, and because MOST denominations do not even know what i just told you, and most "teachers" are the same.. then that is why you have 45,000 "christian" denominations .
That is why you have many many online forums that have nothing to do with real Christianity.
They are mostly just "click bait" Thread invitations to share "1000 opinions" that have nothing to do with NT Theology as Paul teaches it.

And its not going to get better, as we are in the end of the end times, just before (the Born again) are called Home, and in these last days, you have false teachers, and very little else... but there is that which is true and i just told you how to find it.

 

[DJT_47]

If it's contrary to scripture, it's false. The problem is, most people, the vast majority, don't know scripture well enough to distinguish the difference.

 

[St. SteVen]

If it's contrary to scripture, it's false. The problem is, most people, the vast majority, don't know scripture well enough to distinguish the difference.

There's some truth to that.
But it would be hard to name a "false" doctrine that doesn't have biblical support. (proof-texts)
We may not agree with a doctrine, but that doesn't mean it isn't "scriptural".

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[DJT_47]

There's some truth to that.
But it would be hard to name a "false" doctrine that doesn't have biblical support. (proof-texts)
We may not agree with a doctrine, but that doesn't mean it isn't "scriptural".

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How many truths are there? One or multiple? If there's only one, and only one correct understanding of a scripture, then doctrines formulated incorrectly based on an incorrect understanding of the scripture, becomes a false doctrine even though derived from scripture.

 

[St. SteVen]

How many truths are there? One or multiple?

It seems that "truth", not unlike "beauty", is in the eye of the beholder.
There are claims of "truth", to agree or disagree with.

If there's only one, and only one correct understanding of a scripture, then doctrines formulated incorrectly based on an incorrect understanding of the scripture, becomes a false doctrine even though derived from scripture.

That's the question.
Is there only one correct understanding of a scripture?
There would be no need for forum discussion about the "correct understanding of a scripture" if there was only one.
Debates about the correct understanding of scripture have raged for thousands of years.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?​

Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" - John 18:37-38 NIV Still a good question. Absolute truth - Do we know what it is? ]

Is Truth Relevant? True and False are opinions. - True or False?​

A follow-up to this previous (short-lived) topic: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/absolute-truth-do-we-know-what-it-is.63543/ Absolute truth - Do we know what it is? Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the...

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[DJT_47]

It seems that "truth", not unlike "beauty", is in the eye of the beholder.
There are claims of "truth", to agree or disagree with.


That's the question.
Is there only one correct understanding of a scripture?
There would be no need for forum discussion about the "correct understanding of a scripture" if there was only one.
Debates about the correct understanding of scripture have raged for thousands of years.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?​

Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" - John 18:37-38 NIV Still a good question. Absolute truth - Do we know what it is? ]

Is Truth Relevant? True and False are opinions. - True or False?​

A follow-up to this previous (short-lived) topic: https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/absolute-truth-do-we-know-what-it-is.63543/ Absolute truth - Do we know what it is? Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the...

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Truth may be in the eye of the beholder but that doesn't make it true. Truth is Truth. No substitutions.

 

[St. SteVen]

Truth may be in the eye of the beholder but that doesn't make it true. Truth is Truth. No substitutions.

Who decides which "truth" is true? (truer, truest) ???
Is truth only true because it was your choice of truth?
What makes one truth superior to all others?

The same can be said for "false".

Who decides which falsehood is "false"? (most false) ???
Is falsehood only false because it was your choice of falsehood?
What makes one falsehood superior/inferior to all others?

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[DJT_47]

Who decides which "truth" is true? (truer, truest) ???
Is truth only true because it was your choice of truth?
What makes one truth superior to all others?

The same can be said for "false".

Who decides which falsehood is "false"? (most false) ???
Is falsehood only false because it was your choice of falsehood?
What makes one falsehood superior/inferior to all others?

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Truth is true. There is only one. There is only one truth and everything else is false and not another truth that's less superior. And likewise, all falsehood is false. There is not one that's superior to another. Who decides? God ultimately, but in the meantime, that's why there's debate. That's why some are convinced from one belief they previously held, to another. And unfortunately, that's why there are the myriad of denominations. Are they all right with varying degrees of truth being exhibited, or are denominations wrong simply because they are denominations, which is division, and division is condemned. That's why we're having this very interaction! One must compare what they believe to the bible as well as the church they attend and its beliefs and doctrines to the bible. Some differences should be obvious, but others subtle. Most people don't do that at all and simply go on thinking that it doesn't matter, that they are all OK in the eyes of God, that belief and faith is all that's necessary, and that a sign or placard outside hanging on the building has the right Christian buzz words on it. That's the problem. There will be a reckoning some day, and unfortunately, those lazy people will be in for an eternal surprise.

Mat 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

 

[St. SteVen]

Truth is true. There is only one. There is only one truth and everything else is false and not another truth that's less superior. And likewise, all falsehood is false. There is not one that's superior to another.

I'm familiar with that mindset. But it causes many problems. Basically, if no one agrees on what the truth is, either everyone is wrong or only one is right. But who is that one out of everyone that is right? And what becomes of everyone else? Those living in "falsehood"?

Who decides? God ultimately, but in the meantime, that's why there's debate. That's why some are convinced from one belief they previously held, to another.

So, when we enter the afterlife God will choose the one who was right and everyone else is toast? Is that God's perfect plan for humankind?

And unfortunately, that's why there are the myriad of denominations. Are they all right with varying degrees of truth being exhibited, or are denominations wrong simply because they are denominations, which is division, and division is condemned. That's why we're having this very interaction!

So, in order for there to be one ultimate "truth", everyone, or at least ALL denominations need to be false? Wow.

One must compare what they believe to the bible as well as the church they attend and its beliefs and doctrines to the bible. Some differences should be obvious, but others subtle.

There are many different interpretations of what the Bible "says". Do you say only one view on EVERY subject is "truth"?

Most people don't do that at all and simply go on thinking that it doesn't matter, that they are all OK in the eyes of God, that belief and faith is all that's necessary, and that a sign or placard outside hanging on the building has the right Christian buzz words on it.

So, only a Bible scholar can discover the "truth"? And of ALL the Bible scholars, only the ONE who gets it right?

That's the problem. There will be a reckoning some day, and unfortunately, those lazy people will be in for an eternal surprise.

Where does that leave us?
- If there is only one "truth".
- And only a Bible scholar is qualified to discover the "truth". (the whole "truth" and nothing but the "truth")
- And only a Bible scholar that discovered the "truth" can be right.
- Anyone who isn't a Bible scholar is toast. (= lazy people)
- And ALL the Bible scholars that didn't discover the "truth" are also toast.

What is the statistical likelihood that YOU have discovered the "truth" and will not be toast in the final analysis?


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[St. SteVen]

Mat 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

This doesn't really say anything about "truth".
But it does say a lot about relationship.

We can probably assume that those who were prophesying in God's name, and casting out demons,
and doing many mighty works, thought they had discovered the "truth". Not Bible scholars?

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[Jay Ross]

@St. SteVen has posted it.


ROFL.

 

[DJT_47]

This doesn't really say anything about "truth".
But it does say a lot about relationship.

We can probably assume that those who were prophesying in God's name, and casting out demons,
and doing many mighty works, thought they had discovered the "truth". Not Bible scholars?

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No it doesn't mention truth, but they thought they were right with God but weren't even though they were doing all the things mentioned in the scripture. They were just going through the motions.

Matthew 7:13-14

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Few at the time of the great flood were only 8 people out of all humanity that existed at that time that were saved. Few today means what using that as a guideline: The countless millions of so-called Christians that practice and believe all kinds of different things? God is not stupid and is very demanding as well as intolerant.

Proverbs 14:12

12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

 

[St. SteVen]

No it doesn't mention truth, but they thought they were right with God but weren't even though they were doing all the things mentioned in the scripture. They were just going through the motions.

Just going through the motions?
- prophesying in God's name
- casting out demons,
- doing many mighty works

Who are these "workers of lawlessness"?
In fact, what is "lawless" about the items in the list above?
Is that not a reference to the "lawlessness one"? (the antichrist)

Matthew 7:13-14

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Few there be that find it? If that refers to our eternal destiny, then God is making sport with our souls.
A high-stakes game of hide-and-seek for those sincere seekers to be ensnared in.
What sort of a God would do that?

Few at the time of the great flood were only 8 people out of all humanity that existed at that time that were saved. Few today means what using that as a guideline: The countless millions of so-called Christians that practice and believe all kinds of different things? God is not stupid and is very demanding as well as intolerant.

I see the answer to my question above.
"God is not stupid and is very demanding as well as intolerant." Demanding and intolerant? (a tyrant)
Example given: Global genocide. The "Floodgate" cover-up.

Proverbs 14:12

12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

I'll ask again, given all that you have said in these posts...

What is the statistical likelihood that YOU have discovered the "truth" and will not be toast in the final analysis? (slim to none?)

Maybe you have this all wrong?

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[DJT_47]

Just going through the motions?
- prophesying in God's name
- casting out demons,
- doing many mighty works

Who are these "workers of lawlessness"?
In fact, what is "lawless" about the items in the list above?
Is that not a reference to the "lawlessness one"? (the antichrist)


Few there be that find it? If that refers to our eternal destiny, then God is making sport with our souls.
A high-stakes game of hide-and-seek for those sincere seekers to be ensnared in.
What sort of a God would do that?


I see the answer to my question above.
"God is not stupid and is very demanding as well as intolerant." Demanding and intolerant? (a tyrant)
Example given: Global genocide. The "Floodgate" cover-up.


I'll ask again, given all that you have said in these posts...

What is the statistical likelihood that YOU have discovered the "truth" and will not be toast in the final analysis? (slim to none?)

Maybe you have this all wrong?

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I'm 100% confident.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
What is the statistical likelihood that YOU have discovered the "truth" and will not be toast in the final analysis? (slim to none?)

I'm 100% confident.

So were these folks. (scripture below)
How are you different from them?

DJT_47 said:
Mat 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

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[DJT_47]

St. SteVen said:
What is the statistical likelihood that YOU have discovered the "truth" and will not be toast in the final analysis? (slim to none?)

So were these folks. (scripture below)
How are you different from them?

DJT_47 said:
Mat 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

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Believe what you like, I really don't care what that is or what you think. Goodbye

 

[St. SteVen]

Believe what you like, I really don't care what that is or what you think. Goodbye

There was a good reason why I rated your post # 435 with LOVE.

Our confidence in salvation has NOTHING to do with "truth". At least not in an analytical sense.
I'm trying to help you to understand that.

The solid connection we have with God in our relationship with him has no basis in logic. (foolishness to the gentiles)

Leaving Room for Faith - why we don't know EVERYTHING​

At one time I was bothered by the fact that we don't really have ALL the answers. There was always a loose end somewhere. I chased the apologetics in every direction, but always came up short somewhere. And frankly, I don't remember the specifics, only the moment of my release from the tyranny...

Theistic Agnosticism - The honesty to admit we don't know everything​

...further. Being raised in the church, I was held in a bubble of "we have all the answers." Now that I am an adult, I realize the reason for that. We DIDN'T have all the questions. I know, I know... (who does?) What are the spiritual consequences for admitting that we don't know everything?


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[RedFan]

What are the spiritual consequences for admitting that we don't know everything?

Fair question. I don't know that there are any. But there are temporal consequences -- and all of them beneficial!

 

[St. SteVen]

Fair question. I don't know that there are any. But there are temporal consequences -- and all of them beneficial!

That's good.
Let's explore a few of those beneficial temporal consequences. (if you would) Thanks.

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