Spiritual Israelite
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I don't even know where to begin on this. It's as if you recognize that both Jew and Gentile Christians are His chosen people and then you just throw that out the window and focus on Israel instead.Part 2
So, how can I totally agree with you yet claim the Jews are His chosen people at the same time? Doesn't make sense! I believe it may be because how I am looking at them, or I am looking at them differently, not just through the lens of being saved as a Christian or not..... which of course, you pointed out does not depend on being a Jew or Greek.
However, it was God who selected Abraham to begin His priestly nation. He was not a Jew... Isaac was not a Jew, Jacob was not a Jew but his name was changed to Israel and of course had 12 children - one named Judah. But through his lineage, God would cause a special people to come forth where He would reveal that He was the One and only true God. There is no other. He would give them His laws and commands to obey - both ceremonial and moral laws and commands. They were given this knowledge to read, study and learn and adopt in their every waking moments. They were to separate themselves from the pagan world and maintain this very difficult way of life - an unworldly way of life unlike the rest of the pagan world.
Although they were to keep themselves separate from on the pagans, they were also required to go out into the pagan world and teach / preach their One true God to them so they might be saved. But they did not do that... they kept themselves separate in every way including keeping this One true God to themselves. BUT THIS IS WHY THEY WERE CHOSEN BY GOD. Certainly not because they were better than others, bigger, stronger, etc., but because God had selected Abraham to begin His priestly nation for this one purpose. That selection process cannot be reversed... it will always be.... they were and will always be His chosen people where He would establish a special relationship with .... and if you look throughout the Tanakh, there is certainly no other peoples that had such a special relationship with God or interacted with their God, or God had revealed Himself so often and in so many ways with these same people..... Clearly, He had a special relationship with them... and always will!
Now, despite having this special relationship with His people, His demands on them were clearly too much for them. There is no way that anyone, any human being could keep His 10 commandments for one hour or one day on this earth. We are indeed a fallen creature incapable of meeting His holy requirements - because there is absolutely NO holiness, righteousness in any one of us for one second of one day - the only place we will find "holiness or righteousness" is in God.... period! And the only time He placed that in mankind was in the Garden with Adam at the time of his creation.... and he still disobeyed God.
Therefore, God knew from the foundation of the world that Abraham's children would be chosen and they had no ability to keep His laws and commands and they would constantly fail.... but that is the assignment He placed on them. I don't believe anyone would ever want to be placed in a position where the assignment was impossible to complete yet that is what has been asked of you.
Further, they were partially blinded from recognizing their Messiah when He arrived to fulfill His God given mission mentioned in 9:24. Again, not only were His chosen people unable to live one minute perfectly under His laws and commands, but now they are being divinely blindfolded so they will not recognize the One who has placed all of these laws and commands on them.
All of this was known / designed by God before the foundation of the world. Any His chosen people were given this impossible assignment and blinded to their Messiah so the Gentiles of the world would also be saved by this One true God. Personally, I cannot believe the price they had to pay that would give us the opportunity to be saved. But it is this manner that I use the word "chosen" people for they have been given a very impossible assignment by their God.
Finally, as a result of their rejection and crucifixion of their Messiah (again, partially blinded), they would be severely punished for over 2000 years. God would become "desolate" to His people - His chosen people for what is termed the "Time of the Gentiles." Once again, their punishment is beyond what anyone would want.... but they are paying the price so we can be saved - this is His plan of salvation.
As it is mentioned in both the OT and the NT, there is neither Jew nor Greek in regards to our "salvation." However, none of this has changed the definition of the Jews being His chosen people. And further, God clearly tells us that He will NEVER abandone His people (those same chosen people)... and this speaks to those after the cross.
God has still one very important mission for His chosen people to complete and it can ONLY be completed by them... It is not a mission that can be fulfilled by any Gentile, no matter if He is a believer of Jesus or not, and it cannot be fulfilled by God. It must be fulfilled by His people and that pertains to the last 3.5 years of the 4th Great Jubilee cycle. As you are aware, the 4th GJ cycle is 490 years long and it started the exact same time as the 70 weeks of years prophecy. Thus, they were both scheduled to end at the very same time - the end of the 70 weeks of years prophecy or at the end of the last week - exactly 3.5 years after the cross.
Because of their decision / actions against their Messiah, the counting of the 4th GJ cycle would stop. They were no longer in good standing with their God. Consequently, the actual number of years completed for the 4th and final GJ cycle was exactly 486.5 years - 3.5 years short of the 490 years. At the end of the 4th and final Great Jubilee cycle, God would arrive to be with His people. Unfortunately, the clock had stopped and it has been some 1994 years (2024 - 30) that this clock has been stuck at 486.5 years. It can ONLY begin to run again when the Jews are back in good standing with their God. But that cannot happen as long as they continue to reject Him as they did in the first century. And this is where God comes in... He will, just as He did with Paul, divinely give them a "Damascus" like experience and remove the blindness from their eyes. This will occur when God deems the "Times of the Gentiles" is over. At that time, His chosen people will go out into the world no different that Paul and preach the Good News to the world. This will be the true Word of God and the Testimony of Jesus ... it will not sound like the false gospel preached today by the little horn (RCC), but through the eyes and ears of His people - from the Tanakh to Revelation. They will preach for exactly 3.5 years and this will bring in the return of Jesus.
So, in this manner, I refer to them as His chosen people.... they will always be in His plans to the very end of time.
It seems that you believe when God blinded some of the Israelites, that they then remained blinded the rest of their lives and most of them have been blinded with no chance at salvation ever since. Is that what you believe? If so, then you need to explain why Paul hoped to help save some of his fellow Israelites who were blinded in his day (Romans 11:11-14). Their salvation has not been postponed as so many people falsely believe.