It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial
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MA2444
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The rapture could happen at any moment. Man oh man who would want to be left behind in the rapture and miss the biggest BBQ that man has ever seen before? ! That would be bad enough to miss that but to think that then yes you have been left behind may crush me in spirit! Knowing that I could have tried to be ready and been watching for the Lord much much sooner! Like a Bride eagerly awaiting her wedding day!
If anyone draws closer to the Lord in anticipation of His coming...and pretribbers by some fluke was wrong and we had to wait longer than we thought...what harm is there in that? Do you really think that the Lord would punish you by being overly anticipitory of His Lord coming so was watching and waiting and drawing closer to Him way sooner than he needed to (Hypothetically)? No way.
You would be being blessed by Him and perhaps given a greater anointing. That's all. Because the relationship is in seeking Him with our whole heart, and what kind of Loving God would punish that? Not our God. Not my God.
Hmmm, it sounds like foolish Virgins arguing with Wise Virgins in this thread...
Don't be Foolish! When the Lord shows up for the rapture, He will find some bouncing up and down already looking out the window for Him and some others who are all sleeping because they thought He wouldn't come before the great trib....
It's your choice Brothers and Sisters. You think that you've been to some good BBQ's here on earth? I have. This one will be better! Hope to see you there!
David in NJ
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i'll give you $1,000 USD if you can find a single scripture that proclaims:
"the rapture can happen at any moment" BEFORE His Coming and the Resurrection.
When we do this TOGETHER, in CHRIST and in His LOVE = GREAT FUN & FELLOWSHIP
There are two things in that verse that define which coming it is.
- The dead in Christ rise first. The only group of people in human history that could ever be called the dead in Christ were the Old Testament saints. Christians don’t die period! Christians are translated directly from this world to the next when it’s time to leave here.
- Paul included himself as one who would be alive at his coming.
David in NJ
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Why would I doubt the words of the LORD? Satan's binding is for a single purpose. That is "that he should deceive the nations no more". I've already shown you how the nations had been deceived through the power of death prior to the advent of Christ, and how Christ defeating death has removed Satan's ability to deceive those throughout the nations who believe the Gospel and have everlasting life. The enemies of Christ, under the power and authority of Satan are not without power while he is bound. Even being bound Satan still has power and authority over a legion of spirits that do his bidding. Consider for instance the demoniac in the country of the Gadarenes who had a legion of unclean spirits torchering him. Not to mention Satan's ability through beasts and false prophets that make it possible for him to seek and destroy.
Satan is still king over those under his power even while bound in the bottomless pit.
Revelation 9:11 (KJV) And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
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David in NJ
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As well as the angels that were cast out of heaven and bound to the earth when Christ was born.
Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Demons are collectively grouped together in Scripture. They are bound during the new covenant period.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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REALLY!
They are defeated by Death/Cross and the Resurrection of Christ = but they are not bound as yet.
If bound, meaning they cannot posses a Blood Washed and Sanctified Saint = then YES
possess /pə-zĕs′/
transitive verb
- To have as property; own.
"possess great wealth." - To have under one's power or control.
"possess illegal drugs."
Scripture makes clear that Satan has been defeated through the life, death and resurrection of Christ and is spiritually incapable of stopping the invasion of the truth and light to the Gentiles (ethnos) nations since the resurrection. He (and his kingdom) are hampered by spiritual chains. Only those who get close to him can be harmed. Satan cannot deceive the Gentiles anymore as a whole (like he did before Christ's earthly ministry) because the Gospel has been brought to them. This is a general broad statement that is made in Rev 20 in regard to the great commission.
MA2444
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I heard that also. I heard that it will strike a earth a glancing blow and keep going into space...but it clips the earth at Puerto Rico.
ow I dunno if that's true or not, but, we'll know in due time.
That could be! I can see that. There are always three harvests to a harvest season though, right? The early harvest, the main harvest, and the late harvest?
- Firstly, the binding of Satan is spiritual. Satan is not human and physical. He is a spirit. A spirit cannot be held by physical restraints. What is more, he is not in a physical prison or is he restrained by metal chains.
- Secondly, the binding does not suggest our enemy must be motionless or does it describe inactivity. Prisoners have movement in a prison albeit in a limited capacity, under strict rules and within controlled confines.
- Thirdly, Revelation 20 does not suggest that the devil is unable to inflict harm on anyone while bound. Everyone knows that a prisoner can perpetrate all types of crimes within the prison precincts.
If Satan is not now bound, how is the Kingdom of God being built as Gentiles, no longer deceived by him have been and still are entering the Kingdom of God as they become saved and are no longer in bondage to fear of death?
When was Satan ever able to possess people of faith? Before being bound Satan had the ability to take way the word that was sown in their hearts of those hearing without understanding. Taking the word sown in their hearts "lest they should believe and be saved." Satan only has power over those in unbelief. He has no power over "a Blood Washed and Sanctified Saint."
Matthew 13:19 (KJV) When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Luke 8:12 (KJV) Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
The fact that Gentiles too are no longer being deceived through being in bondage to fear of death as they had been is proof that Satan is bound, and has been since the cross and resurrection.
I agree many are deceived by Satan. How are those who are saved being deceived by Satan? Doesn't the fact that they are saved prove Satan cannot deceive them?
1 John 4:4-6 (KJV) Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
How are those that are saved being deceived by Satan?
Joel Osteen is a deceiver along with all the others of that, I’ll say sect, that preaches the prosperity “gospel”.
There are saved people, but very unlearned, that are being deceived by those deceivers.
There are many saved people on this forum that Satan is deceiving with false doctrines. Many here would say that I’m one of the deceived.
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Those who expound Bible Prophecy, are part of the current generation which is mainly corrupt and ungodly. [as in the days of Noah]
They try to convince us that the cumulative research over the last century now yields a better understanding of the things of God. Conversely, our ancient Scriptures themselves do not say there will be an increase in understanding and discernment during the end times. The Bible prophets say that many will be deceived and will follow false teachings and only a few will understand. Daniel 12:10
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. 1 Cor 3:18-20
Matthew 11:25 I thank You, Father for hiding the truth from the wise and revealing it to the simple.
At the time of Jesus, the people the Lord selected to preserve His Word for the rest of human kind failed to understand God’s plan and were deceived to the degree that they arrange to brutally execute the Son of God who loved them.
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Isaiah 53:3
Instead of telling us that mankind will progressively draw near to God because of our ability to assimilate and wisely apply knowledge to our circumstances, the Word of God tells us the Christians will repeat the ancient sin of Israel, and embrace lies.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-10 For this cause, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….because they received not the love of the truth.
Theological error isn’t random. In this regard, the Greek word in our New Testament, rendered delusion, and it is the Lord Himself who delivers that delusion to those He deems appropriate.
This means it is a deluding error, which the Lord Himself sends, to those who want - no: who demand God to remove them, before any holy discipline; Hebrews 12:4-13 and they reject the Spirit of humbleness which would draw them to the truth.
This fulfils an Old Testament prophecy, which is in the context of the end times:
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did evil before My eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. Isaiah 66:4
The reason the Lord places a delusion upon people, is because they practice insincere worship and maintain wrong doctrines, Jeremiah 4:22, Isaiah 58:1-7 and have confused themselves by believing fiction and false teachings. Isaiah 29:9-12, 2 Timothy 4:3-4
They try to convince us that the cumulative research over the last century now yields a better understanding of the things of God. Conversely, our ancient Scriptures themselves do not say there will be an increase in understanding and discernment during the end times. The Bible prophets say that many will be deceived and will follow false teachings and only a few will understand. Daniel 12:10
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. 1 Cor 3:18-20
Matthew 11:25 I thank You, Father for hiding the truth from the wise and revealing it to the simple.
At the time of Jesus, the people the Lord selected to preserve His Word for the rest of human kind failed to understand God’s plan and were deceived to the degree that they arrange to brutally execute the Son of God who loved them.
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Isaiah 53:3
Instead of telling us that mankind will progressively draw near to God because of our ability to assimilate and wisely apply knowledge to our circumstances, the Word of God tells us the Christians will repeat the ancient sin of Israel, and embrace lies.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-10 For this cause, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….because they received not the love of the truth.
Theological error isn’t random. In this regard, the Greek word in our New Testament, rendered delusion, and it is the Lord Himself who delivers that delusion to those He deems appropriate.
This means it is a deluding error, which the Lord Himself sends, to those who want - no: who demand God to remove them, before any holy discipline; Hebrews 12:4-13 and they reject the Spirit of humbleness which would draw them to the truth.
This fulfils an Old Testament prophecy, which is in the context of the end times:
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did evil before My eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. Isaiah 66:4
The reason the Lord places a delusion upon people, is because they practice insincere worship and maintain wrong doctrines, Jeremiah 4:22, Isaiah 58:1-7 and have confused themselves by believing fiction and false teachings. Isaiah 29:9-12, 2 Timothy 4:3-4
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