Jesus: The Good Shepherd , Are You His Sheep? Jesus: The Good Shepherd , do you listen to his voice?

[Jesusfollower]

Jesus: The Good Shepherd , do you listen to his voice?

In many verses of the bible, Jesus is portrayed as the Good Shepherd, a tender and loving caretaker who watches over His flock with unwavering devotion. This profound metaphor not only illustrates His deep care and sacrifice but also invites us to reflect on our own place in this divine relationship.

In the biblical context, the sheep represent the believers — those who follow Jesus and seek His guidance. Sheep are known for their dependence on their shepherd, needing constant care, protection, and direction. Similarly, believers are depicted as needing the loving oversight and guidance of Jesus.

Jesus Himself reveals His role as the Good Shepherd in John 10:11 (NKJV), saying, "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep." This declaration underscores the extent of His commitment to His followers, showing His readiness to sacrifice everything for their well-being. He continues in John 10:14 (NKJV), "I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own," illustrating the personal and intimate relationship He has with each believer.

The Good Shepherd knows His sheep individually. As John 10:27 (NKJV) states, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." In this verse Jesus not only leads but also listens to and recognizes each one of His followers, guiding them with wisdom and care.

The relationship between Jesus and His followers is one of profound security. John 10:28 (NKJV) assures us, "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand." This promise of eternal life and unbreakable protection highlights the depth of His care and commitment.

Jesus’ compassion is vividly illustrated in Matthew 9:36 (NKJV) and Mark 6:34 (NKJV), where He sees the multitudes as "sheep having no shepherd" and is moved with compassion. This imagery reflects His concern for those who lack spiritual guidance and His mission to bring them into His fold.

In Luke 15:4-7 (NKJV), Jesus compares Himself to a shepherd who leaves ninety-nine sheep to find one that is lost. The joy of finding the lost sheep represents the immense value He places on each individual. This parable reveals the boundless love and joy that Jesus experiences when even one person turns back to Him.

In a profound moment after His resurrection, Jesus specifically entrusts Peter with the care of His flock. In John 21:15-17 (NKJV), Jesus asks Peter three times, "Do you love Me?" Each time Peter affirms his love, Jesus responds, "Feed My lambs," "Tend My sheep," and "Feed My sheep." This commission highlights the responsibility of shepherding the believers, emphasizing the importance of nurturing and guiding them in their faith.

Finally, Revelation 7:17 (NKJV) envisions a future where "the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters." This verse promises that Jesus, the Lamb of God, will continue to shepherd and care for His people eternally.

Are You His Sheep?

Are you following His guidance and trusting in His care? Embrace the reassurance and security that comes from hearing His voice and following him, knowing that the Good Shepherd is always watching over you with boundless love and protection.

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The Lord Is My Shepherd A psalm from David (PSALM 23)​

The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside the still waters. He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness for His name’s sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; my cup runs over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.


Blessings.

 

[marks]

Are You His Sheep?

Are you following His guidance and trusting in His care? Embrace the reassurance and security that comes from hearing His voice and following him, knowing that the Good Shepherd is always watching over you with boundless love and protection.

What a wonderful wonderful truth! Thank you for sharing this!

He is an amazing and wonderful God, a True Shepherd with both rod and staff, and He knows were the good pastures are!

Jeremiah 6:16a KJV

Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

Much love!

 

[FaithWillDo]

Jesus: The Good Shepherd , do you listen to his voice?

Jesus Himself reveals His role as the Good Shepherd in John 10:11 (NKJV), saying, "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep." This declaration underscores the extent of His commitment to His followers, showing His readiness to sacrifice everything for their well-being. He continues in John 10:14 (NKJV), "I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own," illustrating the personal and intimate relationship He has with each believer.

The Good Shepherd knows His sheep individually. As John 10:27 (NKJV) states, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." In this verse Jesus not only leads but also listens to and recognizes each one of His followers, guiding them with wisdom and care.

The relationship between Jesus and His followers is one of profound security. John 10:28 (NKJV) assures us, "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand." This promise of eternal life and unbreakable protection highlights the depth of His care and commitment.

Jesus’ compassion is vividly illustrated in Matthew 9:36 (NKJV) and Mark 6:34 (NKJV), where He sees the multitudes as "sheep having no shepherd" and is moved with compassion. This imagery reflects His concern for those who lack spiritual guidance and His mission to bring them into His fold.

In Luke 15:4-7 (NKJV), Jesus compares Himself to a shepherd who leaves ninety-nine sheep to find one that is lost. The joy of finding the lost sheep represents the immense value He places on each individual. This parable reveals the boundless love and joy that Jesus experiences when even one person turns back to Him.

In a profound moment after His resurrection, Jesus specifically entrusts Peter with the care of His flock. In John 21:15-17 (NKJV), Jesus asks Peter three times, "Do you love Me?" Each time Peter affirms his love, Jesus responds, "Feed My lambs," "Tend My sheep," and "Feed My sheep." This commission highlights the responsibility of shepherding the believers, emphasizing the importance of nurturing and guiding them in their faith.

Finally, Revelation 7:17 (NKJV) envisions a future where "the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters." This verse promises that Jesus, the Lamb of God, will continue to shepherd and care for His people eternally.

Blessings.

Dear Jesusfollower,

I just wanted to point out a few things from your post.

You said:
The relationship between Jesus and His followers is one of profound security. John 10:28 (NKJV) assures us, "And I give them eternal (aion) life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand." This promise of eternal life and unbreakable protection highlights the depth of His care and commitment.

The verse you quoted should read "And I give them life during the ages (aion), and they shall never perish, neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand".

The Greek word "aion" should never be translated as "eternal" or "everlasting" or words to that effect. "Aion" means an age of time and should be translated as I have shown above.

Look at the verse more closely; to say that the Elect have eternal life and then immediately say that they shall never perish is a redundancy. The verse is saying that Christ will give His Elect (His found sheep) life during the ages because that is one of the rewards that the Elect will receive. And in addition to that reward, they shall also be immortal (never perish).

When a person recognizes that the common mistranslation of the Greek word "aion" (and it's adj. form "aionios") can never mean "eternal/everlasting" but actually is referring to an age of time, scripture will open up and expose certain false teachings that are prevalent in the world's churches.

Here is another example:

This is the common translation:

1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King eternal (aion), immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Can you see the redundancy in this verse, too? Why say that Christ is "eternal" and "immortal"? They both mean the same thing.

Here is how the verse should be translated:

1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King of the ages (aion), immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

When this verse is properly translated, it matches with what Paul says in 1Cor 15:20-28 about Christ's reign coming to an end someday. Christ is not an eternal King because His reign as king will end when He has accomplished the mission His Father gave Him:

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

You said:
Finally, Revelation 7:17 (NKJV) envisions a future where "the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters." This verse promises that Jesus, the Lamb of God, will continue to shepherd and care for His people eternally.

After the ages come to an end and all mankind has been converted into children of God, it will no longer be necessary for Christ to "continue to shepherd and care for His people" as He does during the ages.

One last point:

You said:
In Luke 15:4-7 (NKJV), Jesus compares Himself to a shepherd who leaves ninety-nine sheep to find one that is lost. The joy of finding the lost sheep represents the immense value He places on each individual. This parable reveals the boundless love and joy that Jesus experiences when even one person turns back to Him.

Yes, Christ loves all His sheep, but in this age, Christ is only saving the Elect (the one lost sheep) who have been chosen for the honor of reigning with Him during the ages. All the other sheep (the ninety nine) will not receive life during the ages but will have to wait until the end of the final age to receive the free gift of salvation.

Here is the full scripture you quoted:

Luke 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. 7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

The ninety nine sheep are the "many" who are called but not chosen believers. They will remain under the Law and do not require repentance from their works because the Law requires them to "work" for their salvation. Of course, the Law will not save them because they cannot never follow the Law perfectly.

The place where the ninety nine sheep dwell is said to be in the wilderness. The wilderness is a symbol for believers who remain under the Law. The wilderness is also the place where Satan dwells who deceives the believers into following his crooked ways and not the straight way of Christ (faith alone).

The one "lost" sheep used to dwell in the wilderness with the other ninety nine sheep but came out from among them and was found by Christ. The one "lost" sheep represents the Elect and is synonymous with the "lost" son (the Prodigal son) who was likewise lost and was found. The lost son is the one who receives the ring and the robe which represents His elect status as the "heir" who will receive the reward of reigning with Christ during the ages.

Joe

 

[marks]

The wilderness is a symbol for believers who remain under the Law.

I can't think of anything in the Scripture that tells us this, could you show me the place?

Thank you!

Much love!

 

[marks]

The wilderness is also the place where Satan dwells

This also please.

Much love!

 

[marks]

After the ages come to an end and all mankind has been converted into children of God,

I understand now. You hold to some form of universalism, which tells me the way you read and interpret the Bible will bear no resemblence to how I read and interpret the Bible. We will not find any agreement I think.

You can answer my previous requests or not, as you wish.

Much love!

 

[marks]

This is the common translation:

1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King eternal (aion), immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Can you see the redundancy in this verse, too? Why say that Christ is "eternal" and "immortal"? They both mean the same thing.

Here is how the verse should be translated:

1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King of the ages (aion), immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Interestingly, when you look at the Greek text the word after aionon is aphtharto, which isn't actually immortal, though it can mean that, but literally says incorruptible. So there is not necessarily a redundancy. Though God does say things 2 and 3 times, even more.


Here we see aioniou used adjectively of God. "The eonian God", or, in the King James,

Romans 16:26 KJV
26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

I have some things I need to do, maybe later I'll add a comment about "the ages of the ages", as I see some relevant passages missing from this discussion.

Much love!

 

[Jesusfollower]

Dear Jesusfollower,

I just wanted to point out a few things from your post.

You said:
The relationship between Jesus and His followers is one of profound security. John 10:28 (NKJV) assures us, "And I give them eternal (aion) life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand." This promise of eternal life and unbreakable protection highlights the depth of His care and commitment.

The verse you quoted should read "And I give them life during the ages (aion), and they shall never perish, neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand".

The Greek word "aion" should never be translated as "eternal" or "everlasting" or words to that effect. "Aion" means an age of time and should be translated as I have shown above.

Look at the verse more closely; to say that the Elect have eternal life and then immediately say that they shall never perish is a redundancy. The verse is saying that Christ will give His Elect (His found sheep) life during the ages because that is one of the rewards that the Elect will receive. And in addition to that reward, they shall also be immortal (never perish).

When a person recognizes that the common mistranslation of the Greek word "aion" (and it's adj. form "aionios") can never mean "eternal/everlasting" but actually is referring to an age of time, scripture will open up and expose certain false teachings that are prevalent in the world's churches.

Here is another example:

This is the common translation:

1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King eternal (aion), immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Can you see the redundancy in this verse, too? Why say that Christ is "eternal" and "immortal"? They both mean the same thing.

Here is how the verse should be translated:

1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King of the ages (aion), immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

When this verse is properly translated, it matches with what Paul says in 1Cor 15:20-28 about Christ's reign coming to an end someday. Christ is not an eternal King because His reign as king will end when He has accomplished the mission His Father gave Him:

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

You said:
Finally, Revelation 7:17 (NKJV) envisions a future where "the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters." This verse promises that Jesus, the Lamb of God, will continue to shepherd and care for His people eternally.

After the ages come to an end and all mankind has been converted into children of God, it will no longer be necessary for Christ to "continue to shepherd and care for His people" as He does during the ages.

One last point:

You said:
In Luke 15:4-7 (NKJV), Jesus compares Himself to a shepherd who leaves ninety-nine sheep to find one that is lost. The joy of finding the lost sheep represents the immense value He places on each individual. This parable reveals the boundless love and joy that Jesus experiences when even one person turns back to Him.

Yes, Christ loves all His sheep, but in this age, Christ is only saving the Elect (the one lost sheep) who have been chosen for the honor of reigning with Him during the ages. All the other sheep (the ninety nine) will not receive life during the ages but will have to wait until the end of the final age to receive the free gift of salvation.

Here is the full scripture you quoted:

Luke 15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. 7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

The ninety nine sheep are the "many" who are called but not chosen believers. They will remain under the Law and do not require repentance from their works because the Law requires them to "work" for their salvation. Of course, the Law will not save them because they cannot never follow the Law perfectly.

The place where the ninety nine sheep dwell is said to be in the wilderness. The wilderness is a symbol for believers who remain under the Law. The wilderness is also the place where Satan dwells who deceives the believers into following his crooked ways and not the straight way of Christ (faith alone).

The one "lost" sheep used to dwell in the wilderness with the other ninety nine sheep but came out from among them and was found by Christ. The one "lost" sheep represents the Elect and is synonymous with the "lost" son (the Prodigal son) who was likewise lost and was found. The lost son is the one who receives the ring and the robe which represents His elect status as the "heir" who will receive the reward of reigning with Christ during the ages.

Joe

thank you Joe for pointing a few things out but I did research your claims and must disagree. the translation I used (NKJV) is quite correct. it does not mean a temporary age in the context used it does mean eternal beyond time. the usage is correctly used from the Greek.

I an sorry you do not agree with the NKJV ot KJV that I always use am certain they are close to the original and without errors in 99.9% f cases. I trust these versions completely.

Also your interpretation of the 99 is completely in error, and is based on false premises. What bible and what commentary do you use to come to these incorrect conclusions?

Assuredly you follow paul and not Christ. we were warned not to follow anyone else. Come back to the flock, right now you seem lost. The correct version is ALWAYS the words of Jesus, simple and to the point, Jesus used few simple words so EVERYONE understands, paul as you know is difficult to understand as written in 2 peter 3.

I pray that you find your way back to Jesus, the son of GOD. Paul added NOTHING that jesus had already said or done or about the prophecy of what he accomplished or still have to do ( revelations)

 

[FaithWillDo]

I can't think of anything in the Scripture that tells us this, could you show me the place?

Thank you!

Much love!

Dear marks,
To understand Christ's "spirit" words (John 6:63), you must look to other scriptures and see how they are used there.

The wilderness is where the Nation of Israel wandered for forty years. Their wandering in the wilderness is a type for the apostate church which is still under Law. They do not approach Christ by faith as did Joshua and Caleb did. They are types for the Elect. The entire nation except for Joshua and Caleb died in the wilderness as a result. Only Joshua and Caleb lived to cross the Jordan River (a type for the Latter Rain) and enter the Promised Land (a type for salvation). Their moving from the wilderness to the land flowing with milk and honey is a type for their conversion.

Also, when Christ fasted for 40 days, He did so in the wilderness. Christ was typing the pathway to salvation. His baptism by John was a type for the Early Rain. Immediately afterwards, Christ went into the wilderness just as all new believers do. Christ's fasting was a type to show that new believers cannot consume the Christ's bread or drink the New Wine. The wilderness is also where Satan dwells and tempts and deceives all new believers. After Christ's 40 days of fasting were finished, Satan came to Christ to tempt Him. This happened to show that after an Elect believer is given the Latter Rain and has become a child of God, they will can no longer be deceived by Satan.

The wilderness is also where the Great Harlot dwells (Rev 17:3). The Great Harlot is a symbol for a believer's worsened carnality that occurs under Satan's deceptions which occur in the wilderness. The Great Harlot is created within all new believers when the spirit of anti-Chist enters them. Their carnality then becomes "worse than the first" and is what guides them (Mat 12:43-45) instead of the Holy Spirit.

Also, John the Baptist is a type for the Old Man and that is why he dwelt in the wilderness.

There are more examples but these should be enough.

Joe

 

[marks]

Dear marks,
To understand Christ's "spirit" words (John 6:63), you must look to other scriptures and see how they are used there.

The wilderness is where the Nation of Israel wandered for forty years. Their wandering in the wilderness is a type for the apostate church which is still under Law. They do not approach Christ by faith as did Joshua and Caleb did. They are types for the Elect. The entire nation except for Joshua and Caleb died in the wilderness as a result. Only Joshua and Caleb lived to cross the Jordan River (a type for the Latter Rain) and enter the Promised Land (a type for salvation). Their moving from the wilderness to the land flowing with milk and honey is a type for their conversion.

Also, when Christ fasted for 40 days, He did so in the wilderness. Christ was typing the pathway to salvation. His baptism by John was a type for the Early Rain. Immediately afterwards, Christ went into the wilderness just as all new believers do. Christ's fasting was a type to show that new believers cannot consume the Christ's bread or drink the New Wine. The wilderness is also where Satan dwells and tempts and deceives all new believers. After Christ's 40 days of fasting were finished, Satan came to Christ to tempt Him. This happened to show that after an Elect believer is given the Latter Rain and has become a child of God, they will can no longer be deceived by Satan.

The wilderness is also where the Great Harlot dwells (Rev 17:3). The Great Harlot is a symbol for a believer's worsened carnality that occurs under Satan's deceptions which occur in the wilderness. The Great Harlot is created within all new believers when the spirit of anti-Chist enters them. Their carnality then becomes "worse than the first" and is what guides them (Mat 12:43-45) instead of the Holy Spirit.

Also, John the Baptist is a type for the Old Man and that is why he dwelt in the wilderness.

There are more examples but these should be enough.

Joe

Unless you can show me these things actually taught in the Bible, I'd have to conclude this is your opinion only. You can call things types and symbols but your saying so doesn't make it so. No offense, I'm just saying, I'll stay with the actually teachings of the Bible.

Latter rain theology is another of those things, not actually taught in the Bible.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

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Interestingly, when you look at the Greek text the word after aionon is aphtharto, which isn't actually immortal, though it can mean that, but literally says incorruptible. So there is not necessarily a redundancy. Though God does say things 2 and 3 times, even more.

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Here we see aioniou used adjectively of God. "The eonian God", or, in the King James,

Romans 16:26 KJV
26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

I have some things I need to do, maybe later I'll add a comment about "the ages of the ages", as I see some relevant passages missing from this discussion.

Much love!

Correct-

According to the command of the eternal God (kat' epitagēn tou aiōniou theou). Paul conceives that God is in charge of the redemptive work and gives his orders (Rom_1:1-5; Rom_10:15.). The same adjective aiōnios is here applied to God that is used of eternal life and eternal punishment in Mat_25:46.
RWP.
αἰώνιος (aiṓnios｜ahee-o'-nee-os｜adjective｜eternal)

[Grk] αἰώνιος LN: 67.96, 67.133 GK: G173 Hebrew: עֹולָם‎ [H5769]

Derivation: from αἰών [G165];
Strong's: perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well)
KJV: --eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
See: αἰών [G165]

The Eternity of God.
a. aion means eternity in the full sense when linked with God (Rom_16:26; 1Ti_1:17; cf. Jer_10:10).
b. In the OT this means first that God always was (Gen_21:23) and will be (Deu_5:23), in contrast to us mortals. By the time of Isa_40:28 this comes to mean that God is eternal, the "First and Last," whose being is "from eternity to eternity" (Psa_90:2). Eternity is unending time, but in later Judaism it is sometimes set in antithesis to time. The NT took over the Jewish formulas but extended eternity to Christ (Heb_1:10 ff.; Rev_1:17-18; Rev_2:8). Here again eternity could be seen as the opposite of cosmic time, God's being and acts being put in terms of pre- and post- (1Co_2:7; Col_1:26; Eph_3:9; Joh_17:24; 1Pe_1:20).

And here-
In Romans 1:23, for example, the word that follows "αἰώνων" (aionon, meaning "ages" or "eternal") is "ἄφθαρτος" (aphthartos), which means incorruptible or imperishable. The exact phrase in the verse is:

Romans 1:23 (Greek):
"καὶ ἤλλαξαν τὴν δόξαν τοῦ ἀφθάρτου θεοῦ ἐν ὁμοιώματι εἰκόνος φθαρτοῦ ἀνθρώπου καὶ πετεινῶν καὶ τετραπόδων καὶ ἑρπετῶν."

Translation: "and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures." (NKJV)
Here, ἄφθαρτος is used to describe God as incorruptible, emphasizing His eternal, unchangeable, and imperishable nature, which stands in contrast to the corruptible nature of creation, especially idols

And here--
Revelation 1:6 (NKJV)
"and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). Amen."

2. Revelation 4:9-10 (NKJV)
"Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων), the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων), and cast their crowns before the throne, saying..."

3. Galatians 1:5 (NKJV)
"to whom be glory forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). Amen."

4. Ephesians 3:21 (NKJV)
"to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). Amen."

5. Philippians 4:20 (NKJV)
"Now to our God and Father be glory forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). Amen."

6. 1 Timothy 1:17 (NKJV)
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). Amen."

Meaning of "Ages of Ages":
The Greek phrase αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων literally means "ages of the ages" and conveys the idea of eternal, unending time, beyond our understanding of temporal duration. It is used frequently in doxological contexts to express the eternal glory, praise, and reign of God.

This phrase reflects the concept of absolute timelessness, often used to describe God's sovereignty and the eternal worship offered to Him in the heavenly realm.

You can parse this @marks my learned brother-my apologies for the late edit.
I'm out of here.
J.

 

[Johann]

Isaiah 46:10.

Hebrew Definition:

End (אַחֲרִית, acharit) – Refers to the latter part, future, or outcome of something; what comes after or the final state.
Beginning (רֵאשִׁית, reshit) – Refers to the start, first, or origin of something. Rosh

Isaiah 46:10 (Lexham Bible Translation): "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My plan shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose.’"

Come Lord Jesus!

 

[Bob Estey]

Jesus: The Good Shepherd , do you listen to his voice?

In many verses of the bible, Jesus is portrayed as the Good Shepherd, a tender and loving caretaker who watches over His flock with unwavering devotion. This profound metaphor not only illustrates His deep care and sacrifice but also invites us to reflect on our own place in this divine relationship.

In the biblical context, the sheep represent the believers — those who follow Jesus and seek His guidance. Sheep are known for their dependence on their shepherd, needing constant care, protection, and direction. Similarly, believers are depicted as needing the loving oversight and guidance of Jesus.

Jesus Himself reveals His role as the Good Shepherd in John 10:11 (NKJV), saying, "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep." This declaration underscores the extent of His commitment to His followers, showing His readiness to sacrifice everything for their well-being. He continues in John 10:14 (NKJV), "I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own," illustrating the personal and intimate relationship He has with each believer.

The Good Shepherd knows His sheep individually. As John 10:27 (NKJV) states, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." In this verse Jesus not only leads but also listens to and recognizes each one of His followers, guiding them with wisdom and care.

The relationship between Jesus and His followers is one of profound security. John 10:28 (NKJV) assures us, "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand." This promise of eternal life and unbreakable protection highlights the depth of His care and commitment.

Jesus’ compassion is vividly illustrated in Matthew 9:36 (NKJV) and Mark 6:34 (NKJV), where He sees the multitudes as "sheep having no shepherd" and is moved with compassion. This imagery reflects His concern for those who lack spiritual guidance and His mission to bring them into His fold.

In Luke 15:4-7 (NKJV), Jesus compares Himself to a shepherd who leaves ninety-nine sheep to find one that is lost. The joy of finding the lost sheep represents the immense value He places on each individual. This parable reveals the boundless love and joy that Jesus experiences when even one person turns back to Him.

In a profound moment after His resurrection, Jesus specifically entrusts Peter with the care of His flock. In John 21:15-17 (NKJV), Jesus asks Peter three times, "Do you love Me?" Each time Peter affirms his love, Jesus responds, "Feed My lambs," "Tend My sheep," and "Feed My sheep." This commission highlights the responsibility of shepherding the believers, emphasizing the importance of nurturing and guiding them in their faith.

Finally, Revelation 7:17 (NKJV) envisions a future where "the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters." This verse promises that Jesus, the Lamb of God, will continue to shepherd and care for His people eternally.

Are You His Sheep?

Are you following His guidance and trusting in His care? Embrace the reassurance and security that comes from hearing His voice and following him, knowing that the Good Shepherd is always watching over you with boundless love and protection.

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The Lord Is My Shepherd A psalm from David (PSALM 23)​

The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside the still waters. He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness for His name’s sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; my cup runs over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.


Blessings.

Paul told us to pray constantly (1 Thessalonians 5:17). I guess that means we should constantly be listening for his voice.

 

[FaithWillDo]

I understand now. You hold to some form of universalism, which tells me the way you read and interpret the Bible will bear no resemblence to how I read and interpret the Bible. We will not find any agreement I think.

You can answer my previous requests or not, as you wish.

Much love!

Dear Marks,
The reason unconverted believers (who dwell in the wilderness) won't accept that Christ is the Savior of the world is because they have added a requirement of at least one "work" from mankind so as to qualify for the free gift of salvation. This mixing of works with faith is the foundation of Satan's "another gospel". When a believer mixes works with faith, they have committed the one and only sin that leads to death. They have fallen from grace and are back under the Law. This was what Israel's wandering in the wilderness typed. Only the Elect will live to cross into the Promise Land (Joshua and Caleb).

"Falling away' has happened to all new believers since the church became apostate shortly after Paul's death. It is a portion of the pathway that all the Elect will travel since that time. The believers (who are "many") who have not been chosen will not be given the Latter Rain of the Spirit before they die and will not be saved. They will receive their portion in the Lake of Fire with with the unbelievers. But before they perish (the penalty of sin), Christ will have mercy upon them all and will give them the faith they need via the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit to be saved.

These verses apply:

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

After Christ has saved the last person who has "died in Adam" (all mankind), these scriptures will be testified to be true:

1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Rom 5:15 But shall not the act of favour be as the offence? For if by the offence of one the many have died, much rather has the grace of God, and the free gift in grace, which is by the one man Jesus Christ, abounded unto the many.

Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous

Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

You should believe God's Word rather than what the apostate churches of this world teach. We are saved by the grace of God (unmerited favor) and not by works:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Joe

 

[marks]

You should believe God's Word rather than what the apostate churches of this world teach. We are saved by the grace of God (unmerited favor) and not by works:

Yes, very good, this is what we are to do. And this is what I do.

So if you can show me your claims actually taught in the Bible, this is good. Otherwise, you have to join those who teach what is not found in the Bible.

Revelation 14:10-11 KJV
10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Here is one of many verses that teach us explicitly that not all are saved.

Here is another:

Matthew 25:45-46 KJV
45) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

All who are in Adam died, but not all are in Christ. All who are in Christ shall be made alive. Not all are made alive.

Revelation 20:12-15 KJV
12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Much love!

 

[Jesusfollower]

Dear Marks,
The reason unconverted believers (who dwell in the wilderness) won't accept that Christ is the Savior of the world is because they have added a requirement of at least one "work" from mankind so as to qualify for the free gift of salvation. This mixing of works with faith is the foundation of Satan's "another gospel". When a believer mixes works with faith, they have committed the one and only sin that leads to death. They have fallen from grace and are back under the Law. This was what Israel's wandering in the wilderness typed. Only the Elect will live to cross into the Promise Land (Joshua and Caleb).

"Falling away' has happened to all new believers since the church became apostate shortly after Paul's death. It is a portion of the pathway that all the Elect will travel since that time. The believers (who are "many") who have not been chosen will not be given the Latter Rain of the Spirit before they die and will not be saved. They will receive their portion in the Lake of Fire with with the unbelievers. But before they perish (the penalty of sin), Christ will have mercy upon them all and will give them the faith they need via the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit to be saved.

These verses apply:

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

After Christ has saved the last person who has "died in Adam" (all mankind), these scriptures will be testified to be true:

1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Rom 5:15 But shall not the act of favour be as the offence? For if by the offence of one the many have died, much rather has the grace of God, and the free gift in grace, which is by the one man Jesus Christ, abounded unto the many.

Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous

Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

You should believe God's Word rather than what the apostate churches of this world teach. We are saved by the grace of God (unmerited favor) and not by works:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Joe

Faith Without Works Is Dead​

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be yewarmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Joe, all the threatening verses you use may apply to you, unfortunately you are nor aware and follow paul instead of Christ to Whom all authority was given and Who will judge us.

Paul will not judge you, Christ will.

 

[Johann]

Correct-

According to the command of the eternal God (kat' epitagēn tou aiōniou theou). Paul conceives that God is in charge of the redemptive work and gives his orders (Rom_1:1-5; Rom_10:15.). The same adjective aiōnios is here applied to God that is used of eternal life and eternal punishment in Mat_25:46.
RWP.
αἰώνιος (aiṓnios｜ahee-o'-nee-os｜adjective｜eternal)

[Grk] αἰώνιος LN: 67.96, 67.133 GK: G173 Hebrew: עֹולָם‎ [H5769]

Derivation: from αἰών [G165];
Strong's: perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well)
KJV: --eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
See: αἰών [G165]

The Eternity of God.
a. aion means eternity in the full sense when linked with God (Rom_16:26; 1Ti_1:17; cf. Jer_10:10).
b. In the OT this means first that God always was (Gen_21:23) and will be (Deu_5:23), in contrast to us mortals. By the time of Isa_40:28 this comes to mean that God is eternal, the "First and Last," whose being is "from eternity to eternity" (Psa_90:2). Eternity is unending time, but in later Judaism it is sometimes set in antithesis to time. The NT took over the Jewish formulas but extended eternity to Christ (Heb_1:10 ff.; Rev_1:17-18; Rev_2:8). Here again eternity could be seen as the opposite of cosmic time, God's being and acts being put in terms of pre- and post- (1Co_2:7; Col_1:26; Eph_3:9; Joh_17:24; 1Pe_1:20).

And here-
In Romans 1:23, for example, the word that follows "αἰώνων" (aionon, meaning "ages" or "eternal") is "ἄφθαρτος" (aphthartos), which means incorruptible or imperishable. The exact phrase in the verse is:

Romans 1:23 (Greek):
"καὶ ἤλλαξαν τὴν δόξαν τοῦ ἀφθάρτου θεοῦ ἐν ὁμοιώματι εἰκόνος φθαρτοῦ ἀνθρώπου καὶ πετεινῶν καὶ τετραπόδων καὶ ἑρπετῶν."

Translation: "and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures." (NKJV)
Here, ἄφθαρτος is used to describe God as incorruptible, emphasizing His eternal, unchangeable, and imperishable nature, which stands in contrast to the corruptible nature of creation, especially idols

And here--
Revelation 1:6 (NKJV)
"and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). Amen."

2. Revelation 4:9-10 (NKJV)
"Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων), the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων), and cast their crowns before the throne, saying..."

3. Galatians 1:5 (NKJV)
"to whom be glory forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). Amen."

4. Ephesians 3:21 (NKJV)
"to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). Amen."

5. Philippians 4:20 (NKJV)
"Now to our God and Father be glory forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). Amen."

6. 1 Timothy 1:17 (NKJV)
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). Amen."

Meaning of "Ages of Ages":
The Greek phrase αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων literally means "ages of the ages" and conveys the idea of eternal, unending time, beyond our understanding of temporal duration. It is used frequently in doxological contexts to express the eternal glory, praise, and reign of God.

This phrase reflects the concept of absolute timelessness, often used to describe God's sovereignty and the eternal worship offered to Him in the heavenly realm.

You can parse this @marks my learned brother-my apologies for the late edit.
I'm out of here.
J.

Spotted @Jesusfollower and love your handle but would advise you not to follow me or read my posts-I am a "pseudo-Christian" and real brothers & sisters are hard to find on this Forum.
Shalom
J.

 

[Johann]

Faith Without Works Is Dead​

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be yewarmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Love this and Matthew 25.

 

[Jesusfollower]

Jesus gave us parables about works bearing fruits how they are important to prove we do indeed love him and follow him. just believe and do nothing will not cut it. We must show out light to the world by example, parables on this also, but many forget the words of Christ. How unfortunate.

 

[marks]

Jesus gave us parables about works bearing fruits how they are important to prove we do indeed love him and follow him. just believe and do nothing will not cut it. We must show out light to the world by example, parables on this also, but many forget the words of Christ. How unfortunate.

The simple truth is that if you are reborn, you will be different. You will do works of righteousness in faith. Otherwise, no regeneration, if you are not changed.

Much love!