JOHN 10:15-16 WHO ARE THE SHEEP NOT OF THIS FOLD?

[1stCenturyLady]

[Jhn 10:15-16 KJV] 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

Jesus laid down his life for the sheep, The sheep are his people, Israel.

Jesus says he has other sheep not of this fold. Who are the sheep not of this fold? Who is the fold Jesus speaks of?

The most common answer is Gentiles.

I think there is a better answer.

[Psa 78:52 KJV] 52 But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock.

[Isa 40:11 KJV] 11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry [them] in his bosom, [and] shall gently lead those that are with young.

The verses above show that Israel are called sheep and Jesus is their shepherd.

[Jer 23:3 KJV] 3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.

[Mic 2:12 KJV] 12 I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of [the multitude of] men.

[Jer 31:10 KJV] 10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare [it] in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd [doth] his flock.

[Eze 34:12 KJV] 12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep [that are] scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

The above verses say that the sheep are scattered. They were scattered into other countries outside of Israel. These are the sheep Jesus is talking about as being not of the fold and that he will bring in John 10:16. The sheep in the fold in Israel will be united with the sheep that have been scattered to make one fold with Jesus their shepherd.

Gentiles are never called sheep.

[Act 20:28-29 KJV] 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

One could say that Paul calls the church a flock; Paul was sent to the Gentiles, so therefore Gentiles would also be sheep.

This is the only place where Paul uses this term; Paul never calls the body of Christ sheep.

Paul was speaking to elders of the church. Paul told them to take heed unto yourselves, the elders, and to all the flock. Yourselves and the flock are two separate groups. There was still the little flock, the remnant of Israel at that time which helped in Paul's ministry (Acts 9:26-27). The elders were to take heed of wolves who would not spare the flock (Matthew 7:15 10:16) which may be a warning for the remnant facing the tribulation in the future. The remnant would have to beware of false brethren and false prophets.

[Act 20:30 KJV] 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Note the word also. That means something is being said of them as well as someone else.

Once again Paul is addressing "your own selves" as opposed to the "flock" and saying that of them also there shall arise perverse men just as is the case for the flock of believing Israel

Future Gentile believers grafted into spiritual Israel.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

WHO ARE THE SHEEP NOT OF THIS FOLD?​

Not of this fold:
Prosperity preachers flying around in jets and living in million dollar mansions.
Jesus used a donkey. And told us to go and preach and not take anything with us.

I think you misread the question. Remember the "sheep" are followers of Jesus.

Prosperity teachers are still Christians. There is not a denomination I can think of that doesn't have some false doctrines that are not biblical. So the Word of Faith teachers are still saved.

 

[Triumph1300]

Near the end of His Sermon on the Mount, Jesus issued this stark warning to His listeners:
“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves” (Matthew 7:15).

Prosperity Preachers are false prophets. Money hungry individuals.
Ravenous wolves can only be saved if they repent.

False prophets can be forgiven if he or she genuinely repents and turns to the Lord.

Saul of Tarsus was a false prophet. As a strict Pharisee, he did everything he could to stamp out the early church.

He met the Lord Jesus on the road to Damascus, repented and was saved.

 

[amigo de christo]

WHO ARE THE SHEEP NOT OF THIS FOLD?​

Not of this fold:
Prosperity preachers flying around in jets and living in million dollar mansions.
Jesus used a donkey. And told us to go and preach and not take anything with us.

They dont preach the gospel , they make only converts to give them money . Dont heed a word one outta their lips .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think you misread the question. Remember the "sheep" are followers of Jesus.

Prosperity teachers are still Christians. There is not a denomination I can think of that doesn't have some false doctrines that are not biblical. So the Word of Faith teachers are still saved.

Sorry sis , but them prosperity preachers are CINO . christain in name only
and they the ones who co helped the harlot usher in this unity and interfaith junk to the peoples .

 

[amigo de christo]

Thats actually a good point, I would think, if God hates pride why celebrate month's worth of something God hates?

Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

exactly friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

The porter opens the door to allow the shepherd to enter

[Jhn 10:1 KJV] 1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Opposed to Jesus is the thief

Opposed to JESUS is the thief and he cometh to steal to kill and to destroy and does so through interfaith .
This lamb heeds not a word one outta they lips either . That which is of anti christ has come
to gather the decieved as one with a promise of peace . Heed not its lips or the lips of those who do its working

 

[amigo de christo]

"Muffasa"!!

amigo de christo (testing)

Muffasa aint king , JESUS is . Muffasa can sing and dance to his cuymbia inclusive dance all day
but when its doctrines enter in to try and take a lamb , a stone from a slingshot gonna take its doctrine down .
feast on that friend .

 

[Verily]

Muffasa aint king , JESUS is . Muffasa can sing and dance to his cuymbia inclusive dance all day
but when its doctrines enter in to try and take a lamb , a stone from a slingshot gonna take its doctrine down .
feast on that friend .

It was joke on saying "your name" (to test things out) you know, how the hyenas shivered saying the name "Mufasa"!

And ofcourse I do not think you are king or some cartoon is king, I'm not a retard.

 

[amigo de christo]

It was joke on saying "your name" (to test things out) you know, how the hyenas shivered saying the name "Mufasa"!

And ofcourse I do not think you are king or some cartoon is king, I'm not a retard.

oh i know my friend . I knew it was a joke .
I got a present for you my friend .

Interfaith will not be heeded . Forward march .

 

[Lambano]

Right now there is a whole world of lost sheep out there who need to be brought into the fold. Why are we arguing about who Jesus meant 2000 years ago?

(Love the typos in this one.)

 

[amigo de christo]

Right now there is a whole world of lost sheep out there who need to be brought into the fold. Why are we arguing about who Jesus meant 2000 years ago?

(Love the typos in this one.)

The sheep hear His voice and the voice of a stranger they do not heed .
Through unbelief in CHRIST shall none enter in ...........
Today is the day to remind all of the dire necessity to Believe on HIM .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

they the ones who co helped the harlot usher in this unity and interfaith junk to the peoples .

Can you explain?

 

[Triumph1300]

Can you explain?

If unity with "inter faith": needs to be explained we in the church surely have a problem.

 

[amigo de christo]

Can you explain?

Them nar prosperity prophets have always loved money .
And them kennys , bennys , todd whites and tons of others
PUMPED THIS UNITY with THE RCC all unto the churches . THEY SOLD OUT , but heck they were false to begin with anyway .
The HARLOT , IF we even get off our rears and take a peek at her interfaith
Gathers even all the other religons OUTSIDE of christanity and hollers we all serve the same GOD .
THEY WANT ME TO UNIFY with THAT WHORE . NEVER . I will DIE FIRST sister .
Take heed , I WILL DIE before i have any kind of unity or find any kind of common ground with a WHORE
whose father is satan . Sounds rough , but you aint heard hardly anything yet .
I am going all out against the harlot and her doctrine in the days ahead . And it it costs me all
THEN I WEAR THAT AS A BADGE OF HONOR . I suggest all go and do likewise and let none conform .

 

[amigo de christo]

If unity with "inter faith": needs to be explained we in the church surely have a problem.

Ex and cactly . I dont find unity with a WHORE who trod the dire need to BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST UNDER FOOT
and hollers all relgions be serving the same GOD .
THE ONLY truth in that statment is
ALL religons do serve the same god , only IT AINT the GOD .
ONLY those who truly BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST SERVE GOD . I DONT make my bed with a HARLOT whose daddy is satan .
I expose harlots and all who do her work too . This world is not gonna love us at all my friend . NOT at all .
SOON all the decieved who repented not will merge as one under what they all beleive is GOD and HIS LOVE .
ONLY it sure aint GOD or HIS LOVE , its daddy is satan its mama A WHORE .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

If unity with "inter faith": needs to be explained we in the church surely have a problem.

Okay, so you explain this: "they the ones who co helped the harlot usher in this unity and interfaith junk to the peoples."

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Them nar prosperity prophets have always loved money .
And them kennys , bennys , todd whites and tons of others
PUMPED THIS UNITY with THE RCC all unto the churches . THEY SOLD OUT , but heck they were false to begin with anyway .
The HARLOT , IF we even get off our rears and take a peek at her interfaith
Gathers even all the other religons OUTSIDE of christanity and hollers we all serve the same GOD .
THEY WANT ME TO UNIFY with THAT WHORE . NEVER . I will DIE FIRST sister .
Take heed , I WILL DIE before i have any kind of unity or find any kind of common ground with a WHORE
whose father is satan . Sounds rough , but you aint heard hardly anything yet .
I am going all out against the harlot and her doctrine in the days ahead . And it it costs me all
THEN I WEAR THAT AS A BADGE OF HONOR . I suggest all go and do likewise and let none conform .

Well, I loved Kenneth Hagin on healing. And I've learned things from Kenneth Copeland too. In fact, the only thing of his multiple doctrines that he believes that I do not agree with is the prosperity doctrine. And that is only one out of the many true beliefs he teaches. As far as the number one topic that Jesus died for - sin, they will not sin. Whereas, sinning comes natural to those who believe they are sinners and always will be. That is my number one doctrine from Jesus too. And also the number one doctrine I fight against for those who believe Jesus left them sinners when He died to take away their sin.

 

[Gottservant]

(Per the OP) On Earth, Jesus is referring to other nations; in the Universe, Jesus is referring to other worlds.

You can check with Jesus on that, if you would like (please pray?)

 

[amigo de christo]

Well, I loved Kenneth Hagin on healing. And I've learned things from Kenneth Copeland too. In fact, the only thing of his multiple doctrines that he believes that I do not agree with is the prosperity doctrine. And that is only one out of the many true beliefs he teaches. As far as the number one topic that Jesus died for - sin, they will not sin. Whereas, sinning comes natural to those who believe they are sinners and always will be. That is my number one doctrine from Jesus too. And also the number one doctrine I fight against for those who believe Jesus left them sinners when He died to take away their sin.

You mean like when he said I HAD to TELL GOD to get the SON out of my way so i could get the job done .
Kenneth copeland and scores of others are in dire peril and trouble .