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Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

I suppose there’s gonna be violence and sun in the afterlife.

No there won’t be violence nor sin in the afterlife . The parable of the TEN (under the law) virgins was about JEWS entering into the kingdom of heaven that Jesus brought in at the cross.

Wake up people and quit spreading these ridiculous made up stories!
 

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Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

I suppose there’s gonna be violence and sun in the afterlife.

No there won’t be violence nor sin in the afterlife . The parable of the TEN (under the law) virgins was about JEWS entering into the kingdom of heaven that Jesus brought in at the cross.

Wake up people and quit spreading these ridiculous made up stories!
Good point to make- ty

question: Is not the whole world under the Law of God?
 

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Good point to make- ty

question: Is not the whole world under the Law of God?
The old covenant was between God and the Jews only so no the whole world is not under. The law was given to the Jews because everything they were to do under the law was a foreshadow of Christ and his kingdom.

The law is to point us to Christ. Salvation has always been by grace through faith.
 

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The old covenant was between God and the Jews only so no the whole world is not under. The law was given to the Jews because everything they were to do under the law was a foreshadow of Christ and his kingdom.

The law is to point us to Christ. Salvation has always been by grace through faith.
Acts 17:23-31
"Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

Acts 17:30-31 is the correct answer = the world will be judged by the Law of Christ
 

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Acts 17:23-31
"Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising.
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

Acts 17:30-31 is the correct answer = the world will be judged by the Law of Christ
And the law of Christ is to love the Lord and one another.
 

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And the law of Christ is to love the Lord and one another.
Absolutely true!

Homosexuals love one another
Corrupt politicians love one another = as long as they agree with them
Same goes all law enforcement agencies and individuals within
Religious leaders and their flocks who murdered Christ, stoned Stephen and continue to this day!
Both legal and illegal drug dealers who poison thru unqualified chemical that harm/kill.
and the list goes on

Do these people enter Heaven because they had "love for one another"???
 

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Absolutely true!

Homosexuals love one another
Corrupt politicians love one another = as long as they agree with them
Same goes all law enforcement agencies and individuals within
Religious leaders and their flocks who murdered Christ, stoned Stephen and continue to this day!
Both legal and illegal drug dealers who poison thru unqualified chemical that harm/kill.
and the list goes on

Do these people enter Heaven because they had "love for one another"???
You do realize “loving one another” is bible language for evidence of the fruits of spirit…. Evidence that your truly saved.
 

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You do realize “loving one another” is bible language for evidence of the fruits of spirit…. Evidence that your truly saved.
ABSOLUTELY

However, you are evading the question posed to you.

In your response you seem to be saying to me: "as long as we love one another we all get to go to Heaven."

Is this correct?
 

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I’m sorry what question do you want me to answer?
Homosexuals love one another
Corrupt politicians love one another = as long as they agree with them
Same goes all law enforcement agencies and individuals within
Religious leaders and their flocks who murdered Christ, stoned Stephen and continue to this day!
Both legal and illegal drug dealers who poison thru unqualified chemical that harm/kill.
and the list goes on

Do these people enter Heaven purely because they had "love for one another"???
 

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Every Scripture, every parable, supports a climatic return of the Lord Jesus Christ. The parable of the 10 virgins fits in with that.

And no, oil is not "always" symbolic of the Holy Spirit. Most of the time it is mentioned in Scripture it represents real oil. You need to open your Bible and start studying these things for yourself and stop listening to your Pretrib mentors who are misleading you.

Jesus said in Matthew 25:1-13: “Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried (the intra-Advent period), they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom; ‘go ye out’ [Gr. exerchomai] to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came [Gr. erchomai]; and they that were ready ‘went in’ [Gr. eiserchomai] with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.”

Most end-time commentators correctly relate this passage to the coming of Christ. Whilst we cannot find any mention of phrases like “caught up” or “gathering together” in this text there is broad agreement that there is a definite reference to the catching away or rescue of the saints in the direction “go ye out” and the resulting action – they “went in.”

The command “go ye out” is simply one Greek word exerchomai meaning depart, escape, or get out, go. The phrase describing the response of the faithful “went in” is the single Greek word eiserchomai normally translated in the New Testament as to ‘come in’ or ‘to enter’. It can also be interpreted ‘to arise’. In keeping with many second coming passages there is an allusion to those who escape the judgment of God as being those who made themselves “ready.” This is a common theme found in regard to the catching away. It certainly correlates with the consistent portrayal of this impending climactic event. This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming.

The parable of the virgins actually agrees totally with the climactic nature of the coming of Christ. Men are either caught up or caught on. Being ready means rescue, being locked outside means destruction. Interpreting Scripture with Scripture would assist you here. As in Noah’s day, “the door was shut” – the day of opportunity was final closed – and those left outside were totally destroyed.

The solemn side of this parable is the awful plight of the five foolish virgins who had no oil in their lamps. Like the wicked that were left in Noah’s day, the religious will cry when it is too late: “Lord, Lord, open to us.” The only problem is it is too late. The solemn cry will come from the Master, “Verily I say unto you, I know you not” (vv 11-12). This is exactly what Jesus says to the wicked at the final judgment. He isn't saying: ‘welcome to a 7 year tribulation period’ or ‘welcome to the Premil millennium for another chance’. Sadly, they are damned and doomed for all eternity.

In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. In Pretrib theology it does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. It gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.

This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming. It is nothing to do with percentages. Many parables are like that. It is to do with believers and unbelievers. It is describing those that are ready and those that are not. The enlightened will get the thrust. Whether theologians want to apply this to the visible church or to all mankind makes little difference. That is not worth fighting over. It is the overall trust that Christ is pressing up - be prepared.

Obviously, those left behind are unbelievers! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out-and-out heathens, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.
Wow
Unbelievers with oil, the Holy Spirit, and light, lamps ( vessels) ,without a lot of oil, and asking the wise to impart unto them whst they were out of (the Holy Spirit).
They were sleeping with committed on fire believers (virgins) and waiting for Jesus , then scrambling to buy more oil.
The Foolish virgins are vividly portrayed as believers

You are way, way off.

And yes most any type in the Bible is used as the actual antitype many times.
That actually proves my point.
 

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Homosexuals love one another
Corrupt politicians love one another = as long as they agree with them
Same goes all law enforcement agencies and individuals within
Religious leaders and their flocks who murdered Christ, stoned Stephen and continue to this day!
Both legal and illegal drug dealers who poison thru unqualified chemical that harm/kill.
and the list goes on

Do these people enter Heaven purely because they had "love for one another"???
I gave the answer in the post I made. Are those people saved, do they have the fruits of the spirit? No they don’t.

I’m suspecting that maybe your a works salvation believer.
 

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Every Scripture, every parable, supports a climatic return of the Lord Jesus Christ. The parable of the 10 virgins fits in with that.

And no, oil is not "always" symbolic of the Holy Spirit. Most of the time it is mentioned in Scripture it represents real oil. You need to open your Bible and start studying these things for yourself and stop listening to your Pretrib mentors who are misleading you.

Jesus said in Matthew 25:1-13: “Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried (the intra-Advent period), they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom; ‘go ye out’ [Gr. exerchomai] to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came [Gr. erchomai]; and they that were ready ‘went in’ [Gr. eiserchomai] with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.”

Most end-time commentators correctly relate this passage to the coming of Christ. Whilst we cannot find any mention of phrases like “caught up” or “gathering together” in this text there is broad agreement that there is a definite reference to the catching away or rescue of the saints in the direction “go ye out” and the resulting action – they “went in.”

The command “go ye out” is simply one Greek word exerchomai meaning depart, escape, or get out, go. The phrase describing the response of the faithful “went in” is the single Greek word eiserchomai normally translated in the New Testament as to ‘come in’ or ‘to enter’. It can also be interpreted ‘to arise’. In keeping with many second coming passages there is an allusion to those who escape the judgment of God as being those who made themselves “ready.” This is a common theme found in regard to the catching away. It certainly correlates with the consistent portrayal of this impending climactic event. This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming.

The parable of the virgins actually agrees totally with the climactic nature of the coming of Christ. Men are either caught up or caught on. Being ready means rescue, being locked outside means destruction. Interpreting Scripture with Scripture would assist you here. As in Noah’s day, “the door was shut” – the day of opportunity was final closed – and those left outside were totally destroyed.

The solemn side of this parable is the awful plight of the five foolish virgins who had no oil in their lamps. Like the wicked that were left in Noah’s day, the religious will cry when it is too late: “Lord, Lord, open to us.” The only problem is it is too late. The solemn cry will come from the Master, “Verily I say unto you, I know you not” (vv 11-12). This is exactly what Jesus says to the wicked at the final judgment. He isn't saying: ‘welcome to a 7 year tribulation period’ or ‘welcome to the Premil millennium for another chance’. Sadly, they are damned and doomed for all eternity.

In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. In Pretrib theology it does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. It gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.

This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming. It is nothing to do with percentages. Many parables are like that. It is to do with believers and unbelievers. It is describing those that are ready and those that are not. The enlightened will get the thrust. Whether theologians want to apply this to the visible church or to all mankind makes little difference. That is not worth fighting over. It is the overall trust that Christ is pressing up - be prepared.

Obviously, those left behind are unbelievers! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out-and-out heathens, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.
We all know that SOMETIMES oil is not representative of anything but oil.
When is oil used as A TYPE for something other than the Holy Spirit?
It must represent other things and never the Holy Spirit?
 

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BEST thorough response i have seen on here to date!

Thank you for the thoroughness and MOST important, the accurate Truth!
You hit a Bulls-eye from 'a mile away'(pre-trib)
Yes we learned and you applauded that oil can not possibly represent the Holy Spirit, and unbelievers are exactly like believers and are waiting for Jesus.
I did not know any of that.
Glad I do not fall for false teaching and mudying up the virgin parable.
SMH
 

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I gave the answer in the post I made. Are those people saved, do they have the fruits of the spirit? No they don’t.

I’m suspecting that maybe your a works salvation believer.
Below is your answer to my question in Post 346


@IndianaRob says: "You do realize “loving one another” is bible language for evidence of the fruits of spirit…. Evidence that your truly saved."
 

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Yes we learned and you applauded that oil can not possibly represent the Holy Spirit, and unbelievers are exactly like believers and are waiting for Jesus.
I did not know any of that.
Glad I do not fall for false teaching and mudying up the virgin parable.
SMH
rebuilder 454: "we learned and you applauded that oil can not possibly represent the Holy Spirit"

Oil absolutely can be symbolic of the Holy Spirit = which i believe!

@WPM and i often times disagree on certain things but we do not berate one another

His exposure of the failure of pre-trib to submit to the examination of scripture in just one post (339)
is one of the most thorough(in explanation and scripture) i have seen on here.

You also have posted some pure truth on here as well.

BEST part is that we get to interact and examine Scripture!
 

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Every Scripture, every parable, supports a climatic return of the Lord Jesus Christ. The parable of the 10 virgins fits in with that.

And no, oil is not "always" symbolic of the Holy Spirit. Most of the time it is mentioned in Scripture it represents real oil. You need to open your Bible and start studying these things for yourself and stop listening to your Pretrib mentors who are misleading you.

Jesus said in Matthew 25:1-13: “Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried (the intra-Advent period), they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom; ‘go ye out’ [Gr. exerchomai] to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came [Gr. erchomai]; and they that were ready ‘went in’ [Gr. eiserchomai] with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.”

Most end-time commentators correctly relate this passage to the coming of Christ. Whilst we cannot find any mention of phrases like “caught up” or “gathering together” in this text there is broad agreement that there is a definite reference to the catching away or rescue of the saints in the direction “go ye out” and the resulting action – they “went in.”

The command “go ye out” is simply one Greek word exerchomai meaning depart, escape, or get out, go. The phrase describing the response of the faithful “went in” is the single Greek word eiserchomai normally translated in the New Testament as to ‘come in’ or ‘to enter’. It can also be interpreted ‘to arise’. In keeping with many second coming passages there is an allusion to those who escape the judgment of God as being those who made themselves “ready.” This is a common theme found in regard to the catching away. It certainly correlates with the consistent portrayal of this impending climactic event. This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming.

The parable of the virgins actually agrees totally with the climactic nature of the coming of Christ. Men are either caught up or caught on. Being ready means rescue, being locked outside means destruction. Interpreting Scripture with Scripture would assist you here. As in Noah’s day, “the door was shut” – the day of opportunity was final closed – and those left outside were totally destroyed.

The solemn side of this parable is the awful plight of the five foolish virgins who had no oil in their lamps. Like the wicked that were left in Noah’s day, the religious will cry when it is too late: “Lord, Lord, open to us.” The only problem is it is too late. The solemn cry will come from the Master, “Verily I say unto you, I know you not” (vv 11-12). This is exactly what Jesus says to the wicked at the final judgment. He isn't saying: ‘welcome to a 7 year tribulation period’ or ‘welcome to the Premil millennium for another chance’. Sadly, they are damned and doomed for all eternity.

In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. In Pretrib theology it does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. It gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.

This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming. It is nothing to do with percentages. Many parables are like that. It is to do with believers and unbelievers. It is describing those that are ready and those that are not. The enlightened will get the thrust. Whether theologians want to apply this to the visible church or to all mankind makes little difference. That is not worth fighting over. It is the overall trust that Christ is pressing up - be prepared.

Obviously, those left behind are unbelievers! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out-and-out heathens, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.
Those left behind are half of a group.
You and Dave get together and respond to this challenge.;
What group is the " half taken" removed from? Should real easy since you both are experts.
You made a claim half of the earth is unbelievers , correct?
Remember, we have half taken postrib rapture ( according to postrib rapture doctrine), and half left behind in both Mathew 25 and 24..
 
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BEST thorough response i have seen on here to date!

Thank you for the thoroughness and MOST important, the accurate Truth!
You hit a Bulls-eye from 'a mile away'(pre-trib)
Postrib rapture bulls-eye.=Not a single verse.
All of you were challenged.
No verses.
 

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Postrib rapture bulls-eye.=Not a single verse.
All of you were challenged.
No verses.
My BROTHER,

i have been speaking directly with, in love, giving many many scriptures in the past with you as you well know.

Here are some questions that we may look into scripture for the answers:

Can you please post the scripture where JESUS said (any of the following):
a.) I will rapture my Elect/Bride/Church BEFORE the "Abomination of Desolation spoken by Daniel the Prophet"
b.) I will not permit My chosen/elect/saints/Bride/Church to suffer tribulation unto death.
c.) I will rapture my Bride/Saints/Elect/Church BEFORE the 'Day of Jacob's Trouble'.
d.) I have separated Jew from Gentile in the New Covenant
e.) My Saints/Elect/Redeemed Bride/Church will not see or face or suffer from the Antichrist
 

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rebuilder 454: "we learned and you applauded that oil can not possibly represent the Holy Spirit"

Oil absolutely can be symbolic of the Holy Spirit = which i believe!

@WPM and i often times disagree on certain things but we do not berate one another

His exposure of the failure of pre-trib to submit to the examination of scripture in just one post (339)
is one of the most thorough(in explanation and scripture) i have seen on here.

You also have posted some pure truth on here as well.

BEST part is that we get to interact and examine Scripture!
How does oil apply in the parable as a type?
I am astonished you recognized the typology.
Then tell me how oil would be impossible as a type in the virgin parable.
(The believers having the same oil as unbelievers..but more of it.)

Keep in mind, all postribbers to date have changed the parable.