GOD the Father never said that. Neither did Jesus.
It's not an "evil ideology of feminism" to want an unselfish husband who's able to compromise...and not "call all the shots" like some dictator.
Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism
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Actually, yeah. I can. And I just did.
It's not God's order, and no it isn't true even if the husband is wrong. I'm not about to 'obey' some man who may put me, our children, our families, our neighbors and even strangers in danger just to assuage his ego.
Wrong again. I'm not the one who wants to be the "boss" in a relationship, so I'm not the one with the "God complex."
Insubordination? LOLOLOLOLOL!!! Wow, you really DO want to be the 'boss'!
It IS the man's fault if he wants to rule with an iron fist. Not my problem.
St. SteVen
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Wrangler said:
LOL. I Showed how it was unconditional. There is certainly no verse that gives the wife veto power over her husbands lordship, headship and authority over her.
Husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loved the church. How is that?
Some men love to be in charge, taking authority over their wives. Saying, "The Bible says so. You had better submit, woman!"
But are men to loving their wives as Christ loved the church? Making her holy, cleansing her by "the washing with water through the word,
and to presenting her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless"? - (vs 26-27)
Men, if we want our wives to honor our leadership, we need to show ourselves as leaders worthy of following.
What are you doing to build your wife up? Are you thankful for everything that she does for you?
Or do you take her for granted? (entitlement) Do you focus on finding fault?
I'm grateful to my wife for all that she does. And I tell her so. Thank you, thank you,thank you...
Ephesians 5:24-27 NIV
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word,
27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
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LOL. I Showed how it was unconditional. There is certainly no verse that gives the wife veto power over her husbands lordship, headship and authority over her.
Right. There is more to it than that. "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ." - Ephesians 5:21 NIV (add above the scripture below)
Husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loved the church. How is that?
Some men love to be in charge, taking authority over their wives. Saying, "The Bible says so. You had better submit, woman!"
But are men to loving their wives as Christ loved the church? Making her holy, cleansing her by "the washing with water through the word,
and to presenting her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless"? - (vs 26-27)
Men, if we want our wives to honor our leadership, we need to show ourselves as leaders worthy of following.
What are you doing to build your wife up? Are you thankful for everything that she does for you?
Or do you take her for granted? (entitlement) Do you focus on finding fault?
I'm grateful to my wife for all that she does. And I tell her so. Thank you, thank you,thank you...
Ephesians 5:24-27 NIV
Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word,
27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
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Since I don't know you, I wouldn't be able to tell if you're serious.
God never said you can 'be the boss.' But that's how you understand 'submission'.
Make your own sandwiches.
Ugh. I don't subscribe to THAT thinking, either. Can't there be a middle-of-the-road SOMEWHERE?
Think you might be thinking about 1 Timothy 2:12-15. But again, is this from GOD...or from Paul?
And THAT'S EXACTLY my point!!! Too many men and women focus on the whole "Woman SUBMIT" thing, without them thinking that THEY have a BIG part in this too.
OMG...You GET IT!!!
THank you, St. SteVen....THANK YOU!!!!
St. SteVen
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Agree.
How many Christian men get married to a Christian woman with the intention of loving her as Christ loved the church?
Christ gave his life for the church. Christian men need to MAKE room for a wife in their life. To leave their self-absorbed single life behind.
All too often, men are looking for a younger version of their Mom that they can sex with every night. The fallacy of married life.
The expectations are completely out of line. Probably for both parties.
What would you say is the fallacy that Christian women bring to a marriage?
For context, I am approaching 45 years of marriage with my first wife. We have two adult sons.
When we married it was for life. If I was 25 years old now, I probably wouldn't marry.
Due to the risk involved in this legal climate. I have been a support to many men that were victims.
Are you familiar with MGTOW?
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Wrangler
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There's that man-hating again. Not able to answer the question again. The devil is a god of chaos. According to the evil ideology of feminism, who decides when a husband and wife cannot agree?
Wrangler
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More victim mentality. A wife being required to respect and submit to her husband's authority it not a function of him being right or wrong. It's a judgement call and it is up to him to make it. Who decides if the husband is wrong? Christ. Your god complex keeps showing.
Ephesians 5:22
For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
NOTE: Nothing about under the condition the wife thinks he is right.
the wife must respect her husband.
Ephesians 5:33
NOTE: Nothing about under the condition of whether he deserves it or is right all the time.
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
Romans 14:4
St. SteVen
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Mink57 said:
GOD the Father never said that. Neither did Jesus.
Aren't you heading for a divorce? (MGTOW)
That may be what's behind your vindictive attitude on this.
What about the biblical context? See my post #604.
What is required of the man as head of household?
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GOD the Father never said that. Neither did Jesus.
Strawman? You played the "God card" to end the debate? - LOL
Aren't you heading for a divorce? (MGTOW)
That may be what's behind your vindictive attitude on this.
What about the biblical context? See my post #604.
What is required of the man as head of household?
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Wrangler
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What is required of the man is a diversion of how to triumph over feminism.
Wrangler
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Nothing vindictive about it or citing and understanding Eph 5:21-22.
Perhaps you consider standing on the truth vindicative, like homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God. There is nothing vindicative about.
St. SteVen
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I believe that feminism is right on more issues than they are wrong.
You seem to have tossed out the baby with the bath water.
Is there NOTHING is feminism that you agree with?
What is there in feminism that you are trying to triumph over?
Do you not believe that women should receive equal treatment under the law?
What's your problem?
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And often, they don't. Overfocused on what SHE can do for HIM, and not focused enough on what HE can do for HER.
Boy oh boy you said a mouthful here!
Probably a number of fallacies. Some Christian women can be just as selfish, self-absorbed and as ridiculously ignorant as some Christian men.
1. Having a baby will bring us closer together.
2. If we love each other, we should be together ALL the time.
3. Being married means I'll always be happy
...to name a few.
I probably wouldn't either, but for different reasons. Dating has become downright depressing and scary! Not that I've dated for 10 years, but just seeing/hearing what's out there!
Yes, I am!!
St. SteVen
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LOL
Is that what you consider the full context on this? (Eph 5:21-22) What are you hiding?
Ephesians 5:21-30 NIV
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word,
27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church—
30 for we are members of his body.
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There are plenty of things that are "in the bible". Doesn't make them all RIGHT.
St. SteVen
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St. SteVen said:
Are you familiar with MGTOW?
Pronounced WigTowe. - LOL
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Are you familiar with MGTOW?
I wonder if there is such a thing as WGTOW? - LOL
Pronounced WigTowe. - LOL
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Wrangler
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Unbelievable. This thread is 31 pages long. Read them for the full context.
Hiding something? Just unbelievable.
Wrangler
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Out of context, I agree as there are all kinds of sins in the Bible. However, recording history is different from a divine command, such as love and submit to one another out of reference for Christ.
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