The Rapture Cover-up
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rebuilder 454
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I am known in heaven and in hell , as was Paul.
Do you also reject the words of Jesus about intimacy in the book of Revelation?
"Know", in the Bible, concerning Mary was used in the realm of intimacy with a man.
Mary "KNEW NOT A MAN"
Are you going to deny the actual meaning there also?
Here is that verse in Revelation that would also cause stumbling if you actually think "Gold", "white robes", "salve", "eyeballs" and "buy" ,actually mean those things literally.
Invoke a little discernment:
New International Version
I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see
David in NJ
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"I am known in heaven and in hell , as was Paul." = HalleluYAH
"Do you also reject the words of Jesus about intimacy in the book of Revelation?
"Know", in the Bible, concerning Mary was used in the realm of intimacy with a man.
Mary "KNEW NOT A MAN"
Are you going to deny the actual meaning there also?"
The Holy Spirit has been trying to get this TRUTH into the heads & hearts of pre-fibbers for a long time now = HalleluYAH that you understand this!
Now go back to Matthew 25:1-13 and READ & understand what the LORD is saying to the five foolish!!!
rebuilder 454
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David in NJ
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i do not spin scripture
in order for pre-trib rapture to be true, you must add to God's words what HE never said
and you must take away(subtract) from God's words what HE did say:
This is what HE did say Revelation 3:14-22
And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ”
David in NJ
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Revelation 3:14-22 is EXACTLY the outcome of the five foolish in Matthew 25:1-13
Thank you for your support!
rebuilder 454
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You cannot answer these questions because you cherry-pick what is literal and what is symbolic. In doing that, you miss the message. You simply do not get it. Where is a 7-year trib in there for which the foolish virgins have to go through?
Being a literal virgin does not in any way gain you entry into heaven. I do not know who would've taught you that, but they are deceiving you. That sounds like something that Islam would teach.
The foolish virgins have "no oil" in their vessels. They are unprepared. That is the thrust of this parable. Those that have eyes to see and do not have a theological agenda can see that. This is not talking about the Holy Spirit. He is not in a physical lamp but in a human life. This is not hard to get your head around.
rebuilder 454
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Here is the ones that knock on heavens door as if their shallow walk in their church is good enough for the rapture.
Revelation 3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth
Hmmm...now that means carnal Christians are going to hell?
Nope ,1cor says they are saved through fire and works are burned up.
Paul says there are 3 types of believers.
All saved...just different levels of commitment.
Jesus is clear about foolish virgins and lukewarm.
So to think the foolish virgins are unsaved, just shows a lack of understanding and knowledge.
Revelation 3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth
Hmmm...now that means carnal Christians are going to hell?
Nope ,1cor says they are saved through fire and works are burned up.
Paul says there are 3 types of believers.
All saved...just different levels of commitment.
Jesus is clear about foolish virgins and lukewarm.
So to think the foolish virgins are unsaved, just shows a lack of understanding and knowledge.
Where is a rapture mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
Where is a 7 yr trib mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
Where is a 3rd coming mentioned in Revelation 3:10?
rebuilder 454
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Oil is always symbolic of tge Holy Spirit.
Nobody thinks those components, vessels, oil, extra oil, literal sleep, are anything but symbolic.
Make a point without all your false nonsense.
What part of the parable troubles you?
Just change it around and it will eventually fit most anything.
David in NJ
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1 Corinthians is not speaking of or connected to Matthew 25:1-13
Wheres as Revelation 3:14-22 connects to Matt 25:1-13 "five foolish":
"I will vomit you out of My Mouth"
to vomit
ἐμέσαι (emesai)
Verb - Aorist Infinitive Active
Strong's Greek 1692: To vomit forth. Of uncertain affinity; to vomit.
rebuilder 454
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rebuilder 454
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Just pretend there is no such things as foolish lukewarm.
You can make a case for it....as you are doing.
Ok.
Just pretend there is no such things as foolish lukewarm.
You can make a case for it....as you are doing.
rebuilder 454
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David in NJ
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pre-trib is "pretend-time" in the Laeodician churches
In both WARNINGS from the LORD = eternal separation from God is the outcome
rebuilder 454
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Can you belive Jesus was one of those nasty "prfeibbrs"
All his rapture verses are pretrib.
Some here will get him straight though
All his rapture verses are pretrib.
Some here will get him straight though
rebuilder 454
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He told them what to do.
Will save all believers. Even the carnal ones.
Paul gave us the remedy .
Lukewarm are saved through fire as Paul declared.
I am just reporting verses no postribber ever has unpacked.
That is why they buck up against God's word.
Every Scripture, every parable, supports a climatic return of the Lord Jesus Christ. The parable of the 10 virgins fits in with that.
And no, oil is not "always" symbolic of the Holy Spirit. Most of the time it is mentioned in Scripture it represents real oil. You need to open your Bible and start studying these things for yourself and stop listening to your Pretrib mentors who are misleading you.
Jesus said in Matthew 25:1-13: “Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried (the intra-Advent period), they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom; ‘go ye out’ [Gr. exerchomai] to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came [Gr. erchomai]; and they that were ready ‘went in’ [Gr. eiserchomai] with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.”
Most end-time commentators correctly relate this passage to the coming of Christ. Whilst we cannot find any mention of phrases like “caught up” or “gathering together” in this text there is broad agreement that there is a definite reference to the catching away or rescue of the saints in the direction “go ye out” and the resulting action – they “went in.”
The command “go ye out” is simply one Greek word exerchomai meaning depart, escape, or get out, go. The phrase describing the response of the faithful “went in” is the single Greek word eiserchomai normally translated in the New Testament as to ‘come in’ or ‘to enter’. It can also be interpreted ‘to arise’. In keeping with many second coming passages there is an allusion to those who escape the judgment of God as being those who made themselves “ready.” This is a common theme found in regard to the catching away. It certainly correlates with the consistent portrayal of this impending climactic event. This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming.
The parable of the virgins actually agrees totally with the climactic nature of the coming of Christ. Men are either caught up or caught on. Being ready means rescue, being locked outside means destruction. Interpreting Scripture with Scripture would assist you here. As in Noah’s day, “the door was shut” – the day of opportunity was final closed – and those left outside were totally destroyed.
The solemn side of this parable is the awful plight of the five foolish virgins who had no oil in their lamps. Like the wicked that were left in Noah’s day, the religious will cry when it is too late: “Lord, Lord, open to us.” The only problem is it is too late. The solemn cry will come from the Master, “Verily I say unto you, I know you not” (vv 11-12). This is exactly what Jesus says to the wicked at the final judgment. He isn't saying: ‘welcome to a 7 year tribulation period’ or ‘welcome to the Premil millennium for another chance’. Sadly, they are damned and doomed for all eternity.
In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. In Pretrib theology it does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. It gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.
This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming. It is nothing to do with percentages. Many parables are like that. It is to do with believers and unbelievers. It is describing those that are ready and those that are not. The enlightened will get the thrust. Whether theologians want to apply this to the visible church or to all mankind makes little difference. That is not worth fighting over. It is the overall trust that Christ is pressing up - be prepared.
Obviously, those left behind are unbelievers! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out-and-out heathens, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.
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