The TRUE Meaning Of The Little Horn Prophecy For the End

[CTK]

The Han dynasty came before Rome.
Now if you say the Han dynasty is the wrong part of the world then I could say the same thing about Rome,Greece and Persia.

I understand what you are saying, but please remember the Book of Daniel is not a history book that recounts the actors and events found in our history. God has specifically selected 4 and only 4 kingdoms out of the many to place His prophetic messages that pertain to His plan of salvation for mankind.

These 4 came out of the sea (many nations and peoples). An example might be found in 2:39 where He gives the interpretation of the 2 inner kingdoms in one verse. Surely, if this was more of a history book the writing of Alexander and Greece would or could easily have taken up a few more verses - don’t you think? But He included only those elements in Daniel that would provide us with what we would need to properly interpret His plan as the Jews traveled through these 4 kingdoms. Whether it is Chapter 2, 7, 8, or 11, the 4th kingdom is given so much more ink than the other 3 kingdoms combined.

This is due to the most important actor (Messiah) and events (His arrival and crucifixion) that took place in the last week of the 70 weeks of years prophecy.

 

[tailgator]

I understand what you are saying, but please remember the Book of Daniel is not a history book that recounts the actors and events found in our history. God has specifically selected 4 and only 4 kingdoms out of the many to place His prophetic messages that pertain to His plan of salvation for mankind.

These 4 came out of the sea (many nations and peoples). An example might be found in 2:39 where He gives the interpretation of the 2 inner kingdoms in one verse. Surely, if this was more of a history book the writing of Alexander and Greece would or could easily have taken up a few more verses - don’t you think? But He included only those elements in Daniel that would provide us with what we would need to properly interpret His plan as the Jews traveled through these 4 kingdoms. Whether it is Chapter 2, 7, 8, or 11, the 4th kingdom is given so much more ink than the other 3 kingdoms combined.

This is due to the most important actor (Messiah) and events (His arrival and crucifixion) that took place in the last week of the 70 weeks of years prophecy.

I've considered the four kingdoms and found the Persian empire to be superior to the Babylonian empire in about every way possible.

I've seen people insist the prophecy must be about Persia but I've not seen how Persia was inferior to Babylon.

Do you get what I'm saying?

 

[CTK]

I've considered the four kingdoms and found the Persian empire to be superior to the Babylonian empire in about every way possible.

I've seen people insist the prophecy must be about Persia but I've not seen how Persia was inferior to Babylon.

Do you get what I'm saying?

I do. But the Medes-Persia Empire conquered Babylon, but without firing a shot. The king, identified as Cyrus, made Darius, the king of the “inferior” part of the Medes-Persia Empire, to rule over Babylon.

 

[tailgator]

I do. But the Medes-Persia Empire conquered Babylon, but without firing a shot. The king, identified as Cyrus, made Darius, the king of the “inferior” part of the Medes-Persia Empire, to rule over Babylon.

And yet you believe the Persian empire is inferior to Babylon?

I look at the size, strength,and the amount of time each empire lasted and I don't see a comparison.Persia was easily the dominant kingdom.

This one aspect of the prophecy makes me question all four beasts especially when we now have a little horn fulfilling the prophecies .

While most people have theirs eyes fixated on Rome,Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom has been divided and the little horn came up last.

Most people pay attention to Rome,while no one is paying attention to the kingdom that was promised to the saints to begin with.


Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.





This kingdom being discussed here isn't Rome.Rome is not the land promised to these saints.

 

[CTK]

And yet you believe the Persian empire is inferior to Babylon?

I look at the size, strength,and the amount of time each empire lasted and I don't see a comparison.Persia was easily the dominant kingdom.

This one aspect of the prophecy makes me question all four beasts especially when we now have a little horn fulfilling the prophecies .

While most people have theirs eyes fixated on Rome,Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom has been divided and the little horn came up last.

Most people pay attention to Rome,while no one is paying attention to the kingdom that was promised to the saints to begin with.


Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.





This kingdom being discussed here isn't Rome.Rome is not the land promised to these saints.

The Medes were the inferior part of the Medes-Persia Empire.

Regarding your second comment- I agree with you. It is the people of the saints of the most high who will get into heaven- those that accept Jesus and obey His commandments.

 

[tailgator]

The Medes were the inferior part of the Medes-Persia Empire.

Regarding your second comment- I agree with you. It is the people of the saints of the most high who will get into heaven- those that accept Jesus and obey His commandments.

I don't think your understanding what I'm saying.

The kingdom that is given to the saints is on earth.
Daniel says it's the kingdom under heaven.The prophecy is about a kingdom on earth.

"the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints"

Daniel 7
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.



Here are the saints in their kingdom 1000 years after they recieve it. Can you tell me where on earth they are when fire comes down from heaven to destroy their enemies and who ruled this kingdom before it was given to these saints?


Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[CTK]

I don't think your understanding what I'm saying.

The kingdom that is given to the saints is on earth.
Daniel says it's the kingdom under heaven.The prophecy is about a kingdom on earth.

"the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints"

Daniel 7
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.



Here are the saints in their kingdom 1000 years after they recieve it. Can you tell me where on earth they are when fire comes down from heaven to destroy their enemies and who ruled this kingdom before it was given to these saints?


Revelation 20

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Thanks. First, I believe the verse in Daniel is speaking about the kingdom under the whole heaven. This is not referring to an earthly kingdom but to God's Kingdom. Those people who accepted Jesus and obey His commands will be found within His heavenly kingdom. Thus it is His Kingdom that is an everlasting kingdom. Also, please remember that most of Daniel is symbolic / figurative and not literal. If you look back to 2:35 and 2:45, God will destroy each of the five elements identified at the end of time - His second coming. There will be a new Jerusalem...

Again, 7:27 is not saying or telling us these "people of the saints of the Most High" will be placed in a specific physical location. This verse is telling us "it will be those who are people of the saints of the Most High" that will receive / get into the Kingdom."

Now, I have studied Daniel but not Revelation so I can not address your interpretation of these verses in Revelation. But I can definitively tell you that most people, because of the sheer difficulty in interpreting Daniel look to those verses in Revelation to try and make sense of Daniel. The Book of Revelation will never disagree with Daniel, but Daniel must be interpreted first and then carry those interpretations forward to Revelation. It does not work going backwards... it was not designed that way.

I do believe in the 1000 years where those "people of the saints of the Most High" will be with God during those years, but I would have to study Revelation to truly have any reasonable thoughts on the true end times.

The kingdom under the whole heaven is ceratainly not limited to one of the four kingdoms or any other physical kingdom on the earth. No eye has seen..... what God has planned....

 

[tailgator]

Thanks. First, I believe the verse in Daniel is speaking about the kingdom under the whole heaven. This is not referring to an earthly kingdom but to God's Kingdom. Those people who accepted Jesus and obey His commands will be found within His heavenly kingdom. Thus it is His Kingdom that is an everlasting kingdom. Also, please remember that most of Daniel is symbolic / figurative and not literal. If you look back to 2:35 and 2:45, God will destroy each of the five elements identified at the end of time - His second coming. There will be a new Jerusalem...

Again, 7:27 is not saying or telling us these "people of the saints of the Most High" will be placed in a specific physical location. This verse is telling us "it will be those who are people of the saints of the Most High" that will receive / get into the Kingdom."

Now, I have studied Daniel but not Revelation so I can not address your interpretation of these verses in Revelation. But I can definitively tell you that most people, because of the sheer difficulty in interpreting Daniel look to those verses in Revelation to try and make sense of Daniel. The Book of Revelation will never disagree with Daniel, but Daniel must be interpreted first and then carry those interpretations forward to Revelation. It does not work going backwards... it was not designed that way.

I do believe in the 1000 years where those "people of the saints of the Most High" will be with God during those years, but I would have to study Revelation to truly have any reasonable thoughts on the true end times.

The kingdom under the whole heaven is ceratainly not limited to one of the four kingdoms or any other physical kingdom on the earth. No eye has seen..... what God has planned....

You are at a big disadvantage if you do not study revelation.It explains much of Daniel.
But without going further into revelation I will look elsewhere concerning the kingdom which the saints are given.


So you believe Abrahams seed (Christ)will never inherit the land on earth which was promised to him so that them who belong to Christ will also never receive the promised land?


Abraham's seed (the saints in Daniel 7 and revelation 20 )were promised a certain area of land.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

To make clear who the promised land is promised to,Paul said.


Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.


And if someone belongs to Christ then they are Abrahams seed and heirs of the promised land.


Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise





So you see,the whole Kingdom under heaven which the saints inherit in Daniel 7 and revelation 20 is in fact the promised land .The same land a certain little horn and it's 10 neighbors dwell in today..
The little horn itself dwelling in the land of Israel.

So ,while most people look toward Rome thinking the christians in Rome and Europe is the beast,the little horn and the ten Islamic horns are preparing for Armegeddon.



There is much written in Ezekiel about the future of the promised land after the resurection of the saints in Ezekiel 37.
The water of the river of life and the tree of life are there in the later chapter of Ezekiel.He even writes about the fish in the dead sea in the future.

 

[CTK]

You are at a big disadvantage if you do not study revelation.It explains much of Daniel.
But without going further into revelation I will look elsewhere concerning the kingdom which the saints are given.


So you believe Abrahams seed (Christ)will never inherit the land on earth which was promised to him so that them who belong to Christ will also never receive the promised land?


Abraham's seed (the saints in Daniel 7 and revelation 20 )were promised a certain area of land.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

To make clear who the promised land is promised to,Paul said.


Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.


And if someone belongs to Christ then they are Abrahams seed and heirs of the promised land.


Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise





So you see,the whole Kingdom under heaven which the saints inherit in Daniel 7 and revelation 20 is in fact the promised land .The same land a certain little horn and it's 10 neighbors dwell in today..
The little horn itself dwelling in the land of Israel.

So ,while most people look toward Rome thinking the christians in Rome and Europe is the beast,the little horn and the ten Islamic horns are preparing for Armegeddon.



There is much written in Ezekiel about the future of the promised land after the resurection of the saints in Ezekiel 37.
The water of the river of life and the tree of life are there in the later chapter of Ezekiel.He even writes about the fish in the dead sea in the future.

Well, I appreciate your comments but they are quite different than mine. But that is okay.

But Daniel is meant to be interpreted on its own. Revelation does not determine how we should interpret Daniel.

 

[tailgator]

Well, I appreciate your comments but they are quite different than mine. But that is okay.

But Daniel is meant to be interpreted on its own. Revelation does not determine how we should interpret Daniel.

According to Daniel 12:4
But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”


It's not to be interpreted on its own.Jews reject Christ and therefore do not understand Daniel because they reject revelation.Many of the same things are in revelation that is in Daniel Including the beast.aka little horn.

Daniel 7
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Revelation 13
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.



Most likely the host in Daniel will be given to the little horn next year.The host is the second beast of revelation.

 

[CTK]

According to Daniel 12:4
But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

Daniel’s mission is now done. He has been given all the verses / prophecies that will be recorded in the Book of Daniel.

It's not to be interpreted on its own.Jews reject Christ and therefore do not understand Daniel because they reject revelation.

I don’t know about that statement. I do believe they do not accept that Jesus was their Messiah. Thus, they see no value in any of the NT.

Their interpretations on Daniel is just as flawed as “today’s accepted interpretations” found in the Christian community. Meaning, so much of the interpretations are thrown some 2000 years into the future, when they actually speak of the events that will take place during the 70 weeks of years prophecy, AND, the prophesied coming of the little horn (papacy) who will appropriate His church for 1500 years.

Many of the same things are in revelation that is in Daniel Including the beast.aka little horn.

Yes, I understand but then why are ALMOST ALL of today’s accepted interpretations on 9:27 speak of some mythical boogeyman coming to enter into a 7 year agreement with Israel? Chapter 9 is all about the restoration of Daniel’s people and his city which concludes in the last week of the prophecy when Jesus is crucified.

Study Daniel as it was given to the Jews after their return from exile. Certainly, it has tremendous importance to ALL who come after the Cross, but it is written and applicable to the Jews in the first Cem when Jesus arrived - not primarily to an audience some 2000 years in the future.

Daniel 7
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

This is a perfect example of the little horn - the papacy that will come to full power after pagan Rome is slain and its body is destroyed (7:11). He attacks everything that is of God and preaches a very different gospel EVEN claiming equality with God. How much more could anyone or any group exhibit greater blasphemy and disobedience to God that this… and these few things are the tip of the iceberg.

Revelation 13
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Well, this mirrors the verses in Daniel and it is definitely speaking of the evil one who is found in Daniel 7, 8, and 11. Without a doubt!

Most likely the host in Daniel will be given to the little horn next year.The host is the second beast of revelation.

I have no idea what this might be referring to….
But what little I do know of Revelation is that it does recap so much of Daniel as opposed to being new events. It seems to confirm Daniel and all its prophecies until the end times (but using very different symbols just as God used very different symbols for the same 4 kingdoms in Daniel in order to provide a different set of characteristics. Thus, it would be necessary to match those symbols in Daniel to those in Revelation and it would provide another level of understanding- just as Chapter 7 or 8 add more to our understanding of Chapter 2.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel’s mission is now done. He has been given all the verses / prophecies that will be recorded in the Book of Daniel.


I don’t know about that statement. I do believe they do not accept that Jesus was their Messiah. Thus, they see no value in any of the NT.

Their interpretations on Daniel is just as flawed as “today’s accepted interpretations” found in the Christian community. Meaning, so much of the interpretations are thrown some 2000 years into the future, when they actually speak of the events that will take place during the 70 weeks of years prophecy, AND, the prophesied coming of the little horn (papacy) who will appropriate His church for 1500 years.


Yes, I understand but then why are ALMOST ALL of today’s accepted interpretations on 9:27 speak of some mythical boogeyman coming to enter into a 7 year agreement with Israel? Chapter 9 is all about the restoration of Daniel’s people and his city which concludes in the last week of the prophecy when Jesus is crucified.

Study Daniel as it was given to the Jews after their return from exile. Certainly, it has tremendous importance to ALL who come after the Cross, but it is written and applicable to the Jews in the first Cem when Jesus arrived - not primarily to an audience some 2000 years in the future.



This is a perfect example of the little horn - the papacy that will come to full power after pagan Rome is slain and its body is destroyed (7:11). He attacks everything that is of God and preaches a very different gospel EVEN claiming equality with God. How much more could anyone or any group exhibit greater blasphemy and disobedience to God that this… and these few things are the tip of the iceberg.


Well, this mirrors the verses in Daniel and it is definitely speaking of the evil one who is found in Daniel 7, 8, and 11. Without a doubt!

I have no idea what this might be referring to….
But what little I do know of Revelation is that it does recap so much of Daniel as opposed to being new events. It seems to confirm Daniel and all its prophecies until the end times (but using very different symbols just as God used very different symbols for the same 4 kingdoms in Daniel in order to provide a different set of characteristics. Thus, it would be necessary to match those symbols in Daniel to those in Revelation and it would provide another level of understanding- just as Chapter 7 or 8 add more to our understanding of Chapter 2.

No,you don't understand because you have not read revelation.
You do not know hardly anything about the host given to the little horn or the mark of the beast which everyone in the little horns kingdom recieves.

You actually dont know much about the little horn at all .The deadly wound he recieved and was healed or anything.You have not studied revelation so you don't know.

I guess you will just have to stay in the dark on the subject until revelation is given to you from revelation.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel’s mission is now done. He has been given all the verses / prophecies that will be recorded in the Book of Daniel.


I don’t know about that statement. I do believe they do not accept that Jesus was their Messiah. Thus, they see no value in any of the NT.

Their interpretations on Daniel is just as flawed as “today’s accepted interpretations” found in the Christian community. Meaning, so much of the interpretations are thrown some 2000 years into the future, when they actually speak of the events that will take place during the 70 weeks of years prophecy, AND, the prophesied coming of the little horn (papacy) who will appropriate His church for 1500 years.


Yes, I understand but then why are ALMOST ALL of today’s accepted interpretations on 9:27 speak of some mythical boogeyman coming to enter into a 7 year agreement with Israel? Chapter 9 is all about the restoration of Daniel’s people and his city which concludes in the last week of the prophecy when Jesus is crucified.

Study Daniel as it was given to the Jews after their return from exile. Certainly, it has tremendous importance to ALL who come after the Cross, but it is written and applicable to the Jews in the first Cem when Jesus arrived - not primarily to an audience some 2000 years in the future.



This is a perfect example of the little horn - the papacy that will come to full power after pagan Rome is slain and its body is destroyed (7:11). He attacks everything that is of God and preaches a very different gospel EVEN claiming equality with God. How much more could anyone or any group exhibit greater blasphemy and disobedience to God that this… and these few things are the tip of the iceberg.


Well, this mirrors the verses in Daniel and it is definitely speaking of the evil one who is found in Daniel 7, 8, and 11. Without a doubt!

I have no idea what this might be referring to….
But what little I do know of Revelation is that it does recap so much of Daniel as opposed to being new events. It seems to confirm Daniel and all its prophecies until the end times (but using very different symbols just as God used very different symbols for the same 4 kingdoms in Daniel in order to provide a different set of characteristics. Thus, it would be necessary to match those symbols in Daniel to those in Revelation and it would provide another level of understanding- just as Chapter 7 or 8 add more to our understanding of Chapter 2.

PS
Daniel 7s time times and a half in which the saints are given into the beast hands is also in revelation.Revelation teaches that a time ,times and a half is 1260 days.42 months.
Daniel 7s prophecy is also about the end times same as revelation.

Same saints
Same beast
Same 42 month persecution.
The saints recieve the same kingdom on earth.(,under the whole heaven)

 

[CTK]

No,you don't understand because you have not read revelation.
You do not know hardly anything about the host given to the little horn or the mark of the beast which everyone in the little horns kingdom recieves.

You actually dont know much about the little horn at all .The deadly wound he recieved and was healed or anything.You have not studied revelation so you don't know.

I guess you will just have to stay in the dark on the subject until revelation is given to you from revelation.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion but I do understand Daniel not Revelation, and it does not seem to be in agreement with your understanding of Daniel... No problem.

 

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Well, you are entitled to your opinion but I do understand Daniel not Revelation, and it does not seem to be in agreement with your understanding of Daniel... No problem.

Well,I will let you know what will soon happen with the little horn.He is given a host.The king of the norths armed forces who will occupy his kingdom for 42 months.During this time ,almost everyone in his kingdom is given a mark in their right hand or forehead and no one will be able to buy or sell without it.The saints in his kingdom do not take the mark and they go throughout the kingdom warning the people to repent and believe the gospel as Jesus comands them to in the gospel.But the saints are imprisoned and killed for their testimony as Jesus,Daniel and revelations. said they would be.

The little horn has made it known a couple of years ago it wants to give everyone in its kingdom implantable microchips after it enacts legislation.
Last year it was thinking to change laws as Daniels prophecy says .It probably won't be until after Trump is reelected before the little horn recieves the host.

 

[CTK]

PS
Daniel 7s time times and a half in which the saints are given into the beast hands is also in revelation.Revelation teaches that a time ,times and a half is 1260 days.42 months.
Daniel 7s prophecy is also about the end times same as revelation.

Once again, you and I are in agreement with the symbols in Revelation seem to match many in Daniel but those time elements in Daniel do not mean what you interpret them to mean. This is a perfect example of not interpreting a prophetic verse in Daniel which WOULD transfer over to Revelation but instead, you try and intepret Daniel (time, times and 1/2 time) through what you think it says in Revelation.

Study Daniel first and then take those interpretations to Revelation... they will give you a very different understanding of thos verses in Revelation that you think you understand.

Same saints
Same beast
Same 42 month persecution.
The saints recieve the same kingdom on earth.(,under the whole heaven)

Once again, they are the same saints, the same beast, etc., but you have not properly interpreted them in Daniel yet. If you had, they would indeed speak to those symbols in Revelation but not in the same manner you think they are meaning. As I mentioned a few responses ago, God would use very different symbols in Chapters 7 and 8 that provide a different view of those exact same kingdoms revealed in Chapter 2. But you do not have to go to Chapter 7 or 8 FIRST to identify the 4 kingdoms in Chapter 2. And many have done exactly that --- they have looked to Chapter 8 to determing the 4th kingdom after Greece is not Rome but those powers that came BETWEEN Greece and Rome. They looked to the later chapters to identify the 4th kingdom when the 4th kingdom in Chapters 7,8 and 11 is the exact same kingdom in Chapter 2 - Rome.
This is exactly what you are doing, and so many others, when they look to Revelation to interpret and determine what Daniel is saying. Can not do that...

Study Daniel and it will provide guidance to Revelation. And I think I can safely say that because it is so clear in Daniel that God has brought forward only 4 kingdoms OUT OF THE SEA. And He did not bring any other kingdoms or powers WITHIN HIS PLAN OF SALVATION other than these 4. Certainly, you can find the Ptloemy's and the Selucid's and AE in our history books, but they are not one of the four kingdoms that come out of the sea... they only belong in our history books. Daniel will interpret Daniel without any need for extrabiblical source documents. In fact. they will corrupt our ability to properly interpret Daniel... we rely on needing to match the actors and events in our history books to try and find similar actors or events in Daniel .... God has no interest in recounting our history.

Time, times and 1/2 time is not 1260 years or days... It has it's own specific interpretation in Daniel because it is speaking in a "forward" looking manner... Revelation is looking backwards and provides different symbols at times - just as I mentioned in Daniel Chapter 2 v. 7 or 8.

Daniel is NOT about the end times - that is what so many claim because they have not interpreted Daniel but think they have interpreted Daniel by what they think Revelation is saying and then sending that interpretation back some 2600 years. Certainly, there are references to the end of times - like in Daniel 7:9-10, and 13-14, which gives us what will take place in heaven, but expect for 11:36 - 45 and Chapter 12, which only speaks of the true end times in broad strokes, all of Daniel is about the period from 606 BC - 500 AD with the focus on the 490 year prophecy culminating with the arrival and death of the Messiah.

It would be interesting to learn your interpretation on Daniel 7:23-27. Are these speaking of the end times? Unless I am mistaken, I believe you had earlier agreed the "little horn" is the papacy...if not, please tell me. Then, have you identified who the 10 horns are? When they came to power? How long will they continue on earth? What happens and when does it happen that 3 are uprooted? Does any of this speak to the time element of "time, times and 1/2 time?" You will not find these interpretations in Revelation because they were meant to be interpreted using the language given to us in Daniel. I can assure you the 10 kings are not an end time event - they have been here for quite some time but it would be impossible to determine their identity from the verses in Revelation - yet they are indeed the same entity.


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[CTK]

Well,I will let you know what will soon happen with the little horn.He is given a host.The king of the norths armed forces who will occupy his kingdom for 42 months.During this time ,almost everyone in his kingdom is given a mark in their right hand or forehead and no one will be able to buy or sell without it.The saints in his kingdom do not take the mark and they go throughout the kingdom warning the people to repent and believe the gospel as Jesus gom as nds them to in the gospel.But the saints are imprisoned and killed for their testimony as Jesus,Daniel and revelations. said they would be.

The little horn has made it known a couple of years ago it wants to give everyone in its kingdom implantable microchips after it enacts legislation.
Last year it was thinking to change laws as Daniels prophecy says .It probably won't be until after Trump is reelected before the little horn recieves the host.

See, there you go again... taking the verses in Revelation and trying to interpret them and then send them back to Daniel. Who are the KOS and the KON? Why? Study Daniel and then move on to Revelation please....

 

[tailgator]

Once again, you and I are in agreement with the symbols in Revelation seem to match many in Daniel but those time elements in Daniel do not mean what you interpret them to mean. This is a perfect example of not interpreting a prophetic verse in Daniel which WOULD transfer over to Revelation but instead, you try and intepret Daniel (time, times and 1/2 time) through what you think it says in Revelation.

Study Daniel first and then take those interpretations to Revelation... they will give you a very different understanding of thos verses in Revelation that you think you understand.


Once again, they are the same saints, the same beast, etc., but you have not properly interpreted them in Daniel yet. If you had, they would indeed speak to those symbols in Revelation but not in the same manner you think they are meaning. As I mentioned a few responses ago, God would use very different symbols in Chapters 7 and 8 that provide a different view of those exact same kingdoms revealed in Chapter 2. But you do not have to go to Chapter 7 or 8 FIRST to identify the 4 kingdoms in Chapter 2. And many have done exactly that --- they have looked to Chapter 8 to determing the 4th kingdom after Greece is not Rome but those powers that came BETWEEN Greece and Rome. They looked to the later chapters to identify the 4th kingdom when the 4th kingdom in Chapters 7,8 and 11 is the exact same kingdom in Chapter 2 - Rome.
This is exactly what you are doing, and so many others, when they look to Revelation to interpret and determine what Daniel is saying. Can not do that...

Study Daniel and it will provide guidance to Revelation. And I think I can safely say that because it is so clear in Daniel that God has brought forward only 4 kingdoms OUT OF THE SEA. And He did not bring any other kingdoms or powers WITHIN HIS PLAN OF SALVATION other than these 4. Certainly, you can find the Ptloemy's and the Selucid's and AE in our history books, but they are not one of the four kingdoms that come out of the sea... they only belong in our history books. Daniel will interpret Daniel without any need for extrabiblical source documents. In fact. they will corrupt our ability to properly interpret Daniel... we rely on needing to match the actors and events in our history books to try and find similar actors or events in Daniel .... God has no interest in recounting our history.

Time, times and 1/2 time is not 1260 years or days... It has it's own specific interpretation in Daniel because it is speaking in a "forward" looking manner... Revelation is looking backwards and provides different symbols at times - just as I mentioned in Daniel Chapter 2 v. 7 or 8.

Daniel is NOT about the end times - that is what so many claim because they have not interpreted Daniel but think they have interpreted Daniel by what they think Revelation is saying and then sending that interpretation back some 2600 years. Certainly, there are references to the end of times - like in Daniel 7:9-10, and 13-14, which gives us what will take place in heaven, but expect for 11:36 - 45 and Chapter 12, which only speaks of the true end times in broad strokes, all of Daniel is about the period from 606 BC - 500 AD with the focus on the 490 year prophecy culminating with the arrival and death of the Messiah.

It would be interesting to learn your interpretation on Daniel 7:23-27. Are these speaking of the end times? Unless I am mistaken, I believe you had earlier agreed the "little horn" is the papacy...if not, please tell me. Then, have you identified who the 10 horns are? When they came to power? How long will they continue on earth? What happens and when does it happen that 3 are uprooted? Does any of this speak to the time element of "time, times and 1/2 time?" You will not find these interpretations in Revelation because they were meant to be interpreted using the language given to us in Daniel. I can assure you the 10 kings are not an end time event - they have been here for quite some time but it would be impossible to determine their identity from the verses in Revelation - yet they are indeed the same entity.


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I've already studied Daniel and have most of it memorized.
Daniels time,times and a half are about the same time ,times and a half as revelation.

Daniels time ,times and a half is about the end times .It ends with the resurection in Daniel 12:2.


As for revelation.You don't know anything about revelation .You said so yourself so you don't know about the time times and a half in revelation.

 

[tailgator]

See, there you go again... taking the verses in Revelation and trying to interpret them and then send them back to Daniel. Who are the KOS and the KON? Why? Study Daniel and then move on to Revelation please....

As I've said.Zive memorized about all of Daniel .
Same with revelation.

Untill you have memorized these end time prophecies,you can't say much.


But like you said.You don't know revelation.You don't know what's what.You don't know when the persecution of the saints in Daniel 7 and 11 begin.You don't even know or understand why.

 

[tailgator]

Same end time persecution.

Daniel 7
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.






The same persecution in Daniel 11:33-35 is the same persecution in Daniel 7.
It lasts for a time,times and a half Same amount of time revelation gives as well.42 months.


People who believe Daniel 11:1-35 is ancient history is wrong.It is the same prophecy from Daniel 11:1 to Daniel 12:2 and Daniel 12:3-13 discusses that prophecy.


People who believe Daniel 11:1-35 is ancient history do not pay attention to the prophecy and therefore are in the dark when it comes to understanding it.