The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It
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David in NJ
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Well then, we clarified that. Now, who are the 10 toes, the 10 horns and the 10 kings?
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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I asked you for your interpretations not some clue... if you don't know, that is not a problem...99.99% of folks have no clue..... they might think they are some EU group or whatever, but they have no idea.... so, what are your interpretaions?
David in NJ
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The ten toes are all in place even now as we speak.
The number 'ten' is important = just as God has spoken!
Here is what you need to know = Daniel 2:42-45
"And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.
As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this.
The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”
Good Night
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Timtofly
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The ten toes are the 5th head of the dragon, the sea beast, and the scarlet colored beast. They cannot be horns. The 5th head is past history. Daniel 2, and all 5 kingdoms not horns, were conplete and fallen at the Reformation.
We are in the defunct 6th Kingdom or head of the dragon, the sea beast, and the scarlet colored beast.
Revelation 17 says those ten horns do not even have a kingdom. That did not mean in the first century. That meant they did not even have a kingdom when they fight the Lamb at the battle of Armageddon. They never have a kingdom, period, they are killed at Armageddon, before they get a kingdom. A head would mean they had a kingdom or shared a kingdom. But as a horn they are not 10 kingdoms nor 10 individuals making up a single kingdom, like the ten toes were the 5th kingdom that fell at the Reformation. The ten toes were the papal states that SDA call the "Antichrist". That kingdom stopped at the Reformation.
"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them"
This is the short history of the ten horns and takes place after the Second Coming, and the 7th Trumpet, and the 7th Kingdom. They serve Satan who is the 8th kingdom since Babylon. They have no kingdom nor kingdoms.
Tim, are you SDA ?
Tim, the ten horns have crowns in Revelation 13, with 42 months left in the years, to rule with the beast-king.
Revelation 12, the ten horns - no crowns - 7 years in Revelation 12 - king 7 has come to power, so crowns on the 7 heads, but king 7 has not yet become the beast-king in Revelation 12.
Revelation 17, the ten horns - no crowns. the seven heads no crowns. Timing is first century. king 6 is ruling. kings 1,2,3,4,5 are passed.
The 7 kings are...
king 1 Julius Caesar
king 2 Augustus Caesar
king 3 Tiberius
king 4 Caligula
king 5 Claudius
king 6 Nero
king 7 end times little horn person
king 8 the beast-king (the little horn person killed and come back to life as the beast)
king 7 is the little horn person. Yet to come to power. When he comes to power as king 7, about 3 years later he will assassinated and brought back to life and becomes the beast - king 8. And continues to rule the short space of 42 months.
Revelation 17:
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
I agree with you that the 70 weeks of years prophecy is the key in Daniel. It is, or perhaps should be our focus and not in the 4 kingdoms, their kings and their conflicts.
The entire timeline in Daniel, is from 606 BC (taken into captivity) to His second coming. However, it is these 70 weeks or literal 490 years that dominate the Book of Daniel. God’s prophecies will flow through or be presented as the Jews travel through this 4 kingdom structure.
Have you the 7, 62, and 1 week sections of the 70 weeks represent how God will carve up those elements (physical or otherwise) that must be restored? Meaning, He will prophecies how those elements that were either destroyed or taken away at the time of the Babylonian destruction would be restored?
Further, when all the elements have been completely restored (by the end of the 69th week), only then will / would the Messiah arrive to begin His earthly ministry- in the last week of the prophecy? Thus, the 70 weeks prophecy is the most significant time period in the Book of Daniel with the last week being the most important time of the prophecy?
Look forward to your thoughts…
Timtofly
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I believe Daniels 70 weeks, not 490 years, is much easier understand and much more important than the kingdoms.
Daniels 70 weeks is a prophecy prophesying the end of the people of Israel and earthly Jerusalem and the beginning of heavenly Jerusalem under the authority of Jesus Christ and and his people.
Well, I do believe that your interepretation is in line with "today's accepted interpretations." And that also throws much of th last week of the 70 weeks of years prophecy some 2000 years into the future from the time of the cross. But for me, the verses 9:24-27 speak of the restoration of the city and the people (Daniel's), and end with the Messiah arriving on the first day of the 70th week to begin His ministry. In exactly 3.5 years into His ministry, He will be rejected by His people and crucified. He will confirm the New Covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31- 34.
Now, the prince (small p) of the people who is to come is not the Messiah. This refers to the complete destruction in 70 AD by Titus and the Roman army. It is these people "pagan Rome" that will continue on in the Roman Empire until the 4th beast kingdom (pagan Rome) is slain and its body is destroyed (7:11). Soon, within 150 years, the little horn (papacy) will not only rise to take over the Christian Church, but will alsio replace pagan Rome in all secular matters. Thus, these "people" will become "people of the prince (little horn) who is to come.
Well, I agree with your first comment but not the second, since the last week of the 70 years prophecy brought forward the Messiah... nothing is or will ever be as important that His first coming. This was the week / time when He would sacrifice His life for the sin of all mankind and give us the only path to eternal salvation - If we accept His sacrifice on the cross and believe He is our Lord and Savior, then we will be with Him in heaven forever.
Well, we know the first is Babylon. The second is Medes-Persian since we are given the names of their kings. Chapter 8 is named by Gabriel as Greeece, and the only kingdom that comes after Greece (kingdom not anything but a kingdom) is pagan Rome who fits perfectly since they are the kingdom when the 70 weeks of years prophecy ends, and the Messiah arrives in the last week. Also, they are the same folks who destroyed everything in 70 AD.
And the little horn came out of the 4th kingdom - can not be Greece, the 3rd kingdom.... Can't have anything to do with the 4 generals since they are thrown out "towards the 4 winds" (representing the turmoil and instability after Alexander's death), and they are identified as the 4 heads in the 3rd kingdom in Chapter 7 - not part of the 4th beast in Chapter 7 that could not be compared to any animal on the earth....
This could go on..... but there is so much in Daniel to identify Rome (iron) as the 4th kingdom.....
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