Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

[One 2 question]

Nobody has to say it, it's just a historical fact and you simply can't get around in your face facts.

It's not an extra biblical revelation, it's as plain as the nose on your face. I will give you my house if you find a single shred of evidence to suggest that any other Apostles or Prophets existed after the first century AD. Let me guess, you can't, ,as much as you whish there were you know you have nothing but wishful thinking like I used to believe Santa Claus was real.

I guess the Pharisees would've not only given their house away but even their very life to try and prove that Jesus was not their Messiah.

So you aren't on your own. As someone quoted recently,ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Jhn 5:38,39

I never said anyone received extra biblical revelation, I have no idea how you came up with that nonsense.

There's no such thing as a mature Christian

That I can't say but there are those who are in Christ who are mature. And we don't need a human teacher as we have the Divine Teacher within us 24/7.

we are all dumb sheep and we remain dumb sheep until the day we die

I definitely don't identify as one of these. But you are and can until you die.

because we don't have the gift of discernment which God gives to our Shepherds.

You may not have the gift of discernment which disqualifies you from discerning if I am a human or an AI Robot, male or female, a sheep or goat, a child of God or the devil.

I am so grateful that I have the Gift Who discerns all things living in me and we communicate regularly. So when He wants me to discern something I discern it. He's the true Divine Gift.

A dumb sheep can take the law into his hands but that only proves that he is more foolish than those who remain under the protection of their Shepherd and the safety of the flock. As soon as a dumb sheep leaves the flock, it becomes an instant meal for the hungry lion and that's you my dear friend.

Again, you said you don't have the gift of discernment which disqualifies you from discerning if I am a human or an AI Robot, male or female, a sheep or goat, a child of God or the devil.

Nobody has the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is God. You can't have God

This sounds familiar. I can't therefore you can't. I don't have therefore you can't either. I don't because I can't enter therefore you will not enter either.
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. Math 23:13

Jesus sent the Comforter to minister to the Church as a whole and not as private individuals for the Holy Spirit to dwell in them. That's nonsense, the sheep listen to their Shepherd because the Comforter led them to him so he can tech the dumb sheep.

I can only hope that you are released from your blindness so that you get to see Christ in us as individuals who make up His body part on earth.

 

[Christian Soldier]

What information does your bibles provide?

I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Jn 14.

The great thing is that Christ through His Spirit gives truth which we can bear. And it being in its context, of time, culture, situation. What was given to Abraham, or Moses or Joshua was specific to them and their time.

As you would know, from the records in the bibles, that God put in written, 'do not kill (murder, cut to pieces)' at a particular time and place. At a different time (40 years later), place (in the promised land) and situation (to make war not peace), He said to Joshua to go kill (murder, cut to pieces) every man, woman, child and animal.

Therefore what God gives to us is specific to our context of time, place, situation. That is why I love receiving new revealed truth throughout my life as the Spirit provides it.

Truly it's not a burden but precious gifts from the generous Divine Father.

Fortunately didn't Jesus said He will never leave us nor will He forsake us.

It's unfortunate for us, as He did say, we won't have peace but war. Turning family against one another to the point of family members killing eachother.

Maybe that was only for His first disciples back then. What do you think?

I have the Spirit of Christ AND the mind of Christ. I don't determine what They reveal and when. That's up to them. I just come into possession of truth and thanks Them for it.

I'm over rejecting Them and Their precious new gifts of new truth.

We have the mind of Christ. Don't you agree. Unless you want to contradict, deny or remove what is written in your bible.

I'm very equipped by the Spirit of God to receive whatever truths He decides to give me, knowing what I can bear at any given time. This is awesome!

Amen! The unfolding revelation of truth by the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter, Teacher is setting me and many others free. And I love the experience of this new found freedom in Christ.

Again, I hope that They remove the scales from your eyes so that you can see the glorious Redeemer, know the heart of the loving Father and experience the Person of the Spirit Who They sent to be with us and IN US.

The bible provides us with all the information we need to know everything God commands us to do. We are commanded to trust and obey and never ever question anything God has said.
So there's nothing new under heaven, everything remains as it always has been, and yes sadly for you that means no new revelation at all, so you have to go back to the same old bible very generation has had for the past 2000 years.

Satan will amuse you with His counterfeit revelation and prophecy, but these are a one way ticket to the lake of fire.

Abraham and Moses were given the same gospel as you, and they were saved by Jesus Christ just as every other Elect Saint of God, ever was and is and is to come. There's nothing new, Abraham placed his trust in Jesus Christ for the remission of his sin and he was saved the same way I am.

There are no different dispensations, dispensationalism is a demonic doctrine. The commandments have always meant the same thing for everyone. There is no different times, the world is exactly the same as it has always been. God still commands us to kill our enemies, to kill the enemy is not murder, it's actually an act of obedience. But to kill an innocent person is murder.

Jesus said He would never leave us or forsake us, but sadly He did leave us soon after saying that. So He was either lying or you are lying, by misrepresenting what He said.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I guess the Pharisees would've not only given their house away but even their very life to try and prove that Jesus was not their Messiah.

So you aren't on your own. As someone quoted recently,ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Jhn 5:38,39

That I can't say but there are those who are in Christ who are mature. And we don't need a human teacher as we have the Divine Teacher within us 24/7.

I definitely don't identify as one of these. But you are and can until you die.

You may not have the gift of discernment which disqualifies you from discerning if I am a human or an AI Robot, male or female, a sheep or goat, a child of God or the devil.

I am so grateful that I have the Gift Who discerns all things living in me and we communicate regularly. So when He wants me to discern something I discern it. He's the true Divine Gift.

Again, you said you don't have the gift of discernment which disqualifies you from discerning if I am a human or an AI Robot, male or female, a sheep or goat, a child of God or the devil.


This sounds familiar. I can't therefore you can't. I don't have therefore you can't either. I don't because I can't enter therefore you will not enter either.
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. Math 23:13

I can only hope that you are released from your blindness so that you get to see Christ in us as individuals who make up His body part on earth.

I hate to burst your bubble, but the Holy Spirit is not an Apostle or Prophet, so yeah, back to the drawing board for you.

This gift you speak of is demonic doctrine, which I thoroughly hate and reject, so one mans trash is another mans treasure. That's the sad reality.

I know you don't identify as a Sheep, so you must be a Goat and that's all there is to choose from. Jesus said the Sheep are going to heaven and the Goats are going to the lake of fire, so choose wisely.

I don't need any gift of discernment, my Shepherd has that gift. He teaches me right from wrong, I just follow along as the dumb sheep that I am. So I ca't go wrong as i have not taken the law into my own hands as you have. You will be judged according to the law and cast into the lake of ire because you didn't keep the whole of the law.

I'm not sure why you quoted Matt 23:13, that applies to teachers and I have never been a teacher so it means nothing to me. That's the beauty of being a dumb sheep, I don't have to answer for anything, my Shepherd will answer to God if he ever teaches me anything that's untrue. So I'm guaranteed eternal paradise already with no fear of missing out.

 

[One 2 question]

I hate to burst your bubble, but the Holy Spirit is not an Apostle or Prophet, so yeah, back to the drawing board for you.

This gift you speak of is demonic doctrine, which I thoroughly hate and reject, so one mans trash is another mans treasure. That's the sad reality.

I know you don't identify as a Sheep, so you must be a Goat and that's all there is to choose from. Jesus said the Sheep are going to heaven and the Goats are going to the lake of fire, so choose wisely.

I don't need any gift of discernment, my Shepherd has that gift. He teaches me right from wrong, I just follow along as the dumb sheep that I am. So I ca't go wrong as i have not taken the law into my own hands as you have. You will be judged according to the law and cast into the lake of ire because you didn't keep the whole of the law.

I'm not sure why you quoted Matt 23:13, that applies to teachers and I have never been a teacher so it means nothing to me. That's the beauty of being a dumb sheep, I don't have to answer for anything, my Shepherd will answer to God if he ever teaches me anything that's untrue. So I'm guaranteed eternal paradise already with no fear of missing out.

Thanks for engaging over the past few weeks. It's been a pleasure. Hope we can continue exploring, not for gold, silver or tempoaral wealth but mining for truth wherever we find it.

 

[One 2 question]

Universalism comforts people in their sins, but Christ gives us victory over them.

I don't identify as a universalist. I don't know exactly what it is.

I know angels and humans will be punished for their imperfection. Like discarding an imperfect piece of modelling clay. It will be rejected and set aside while the perfected clay will remain on the potters table, being worked on and prepared for certain purposes.

Later those who were rejected for their acts of imperfection will be returned to the potters table to be moulded and prepared for use.

All will be put to use and fulfill the purpose for which they were made. Some in Jesus's 1000 year kingdom, then the rest in Father's neverending kingdom.

For ALL have sinned (imperfect) and deserve to be discarded and rejected. But God has chosen to redeem some from the pile destined for the reject bin to be used in the first stage (age). Then the rest will be redeemed from out of the reject bin for use in the following stage (age).

Then ALL will be used by God in His neverending kingdom. Yay!

 

[One 2 question]

I hate to burst your bubble

please, burst away.

but the Holy Spirit is not an Apostle or Prophet, so yeah, back to the drawing board for you.

He is and He imparts His abilties so that humans can operate as prophets, teachers, evangelist, apostles etc. Of ourselves from birth we could not prophesy of what we could not see, teach what we do not know, evangelise telling of Him we've never known, do the works of an apostle.

This gift you speak of is demonic doctrine, which I thoroughly hate and reject, so one mans trash is another mans treasure. That's the sad reality.

I'll take whatever the Spirit gives me. I'm not picky, just glad i can contribute to the building up of my Christ's body.

I know you don't identify as a Sheep

what was it i identify as? Maybe you know me better than those around me and myself.

so you must be a Goat

ok, you identify me as a goat. That's your assessment of me who you've never met. Interesting.

and that's all there is to choose from. Jesus said the Sheep are going to heaven and the Goats are going to the lake of fire, so choose wisely.

I can't choose where I end up going and what I end up doing. That's the Potter's decision.

I don't need any gift of discernment, my Shepherd has that gift. He teaches me right from wrong, I just follow along as the dumb sheep that I am.

So I ca't go wrong as i have not taken the law into my own hands as you have

You will be judged according to the law and cast into the lake of ire because you didn't keep the whole of the law.

what law is that again?

I'm not sure why you quoted Matt 23:13, that applies to teachers and I have never been a teacher so it means nothing to me. That's the beauty of being a dumb sheep, I don't have to answer for anything, my Shepherd will answer to God if he ever teaches me anything that's untrue. So I'm guaranteed eternal paradise already with no fear of missing out.

I'm glad you have that assurance. It's very comforting hey. I enjoy the knowing that I, along with the restoration the elect will serve in Jesus's 1000 year kingdom. Yay!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Thanks for engaging over the past few weeks. It's been a pleasure. Hope we can continue exploring, not for gold, silver or tempoaral wealth but mining for truth wherever we find it.

Nobody can find the truth, because Jesus is the truth. Jesus said "I am the truth", so there's the problem. People are searching everywhere for the truth but He is in heaven, and since nobody can come into His presence, we will never find Him no matter how long and hard we search.

The only way you will find Him is if you ascend to heaven as He did, otherwise it's a pointless exercise. Jesus said, "you don't know the truth, because the truth is not in you". The only people who know the truth are those who are born again, we receive the Spirit of Jesus Christ, He leads us into all truth.

We never searched for the truth, because we were dead in our sin. Jesus came to seek and to save those the Father gave Him (the elect of God). So the truth is nobody has ever looked for the truth, but the Truth came after us and saved us.

Romans 3:10-12
As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”

 

[One 2 question]

Nobody can find the truth, because Jesus is the truth. Jesus said "I am the truth", so there's the problem. People are searching everywhere for the truth but He is in heaven, and since nobody can come into His presence, we will never find Him no matter how long and hard we search.

But we have a solution to this problem. It is found in Him (the Spirit of the Truth) Who came after Christ (the Truth) left and went to heaven.

The Spirit of the Truth has come from the Truth in heaven to lead us into ALL truth as He promised He would. And He lives in us now.

So we have the solution to your problem living inside us. Now that's something to be super grateful for.

Yes, if you can't find a way to heaven to access the Truth, take heart, He has come to us in the form of His Spirit. Wooohoo!

The only way you will find Him is if you ascend to heaven as He did, otherwise it's a pointless exercise.

I've found Him!!! He has returned to us in Spirit form as the Spirit of the Truth. I found Him inside me. He's moved in and made me His home. The temple of the Truth. Yay!

Jesus said, "you don't know the truth, because the truth is not in you"

Not sure what you are refering to when you made this quote. Is it some more extra biblical revelation?

The only people who know the truth are those who are born again, we receive the Spirit of Jesus Christ, He leads us into all truth.

I'm glad you found Him too.

We never searched for the truth, because we were dead in our sin. Jesus came to seek and to save those the Father gave Him (the elect of God). So the truth is nobody has ever looked for the truth, but the Truth came after us and saved us.

Romans 3:10-12
As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”

Yes, isn't it beyond great that Jesus came and redeemed us from every tongue, tribe, people and nation. Choosing us out from amoung the rest of the clay, made us righteous so we can be part of His body, the church and future bride.

And to go further, we will reign as kings and priests in His global government ruling from Jerusalem that's in the headlines atm. What a hope we have in Christ the King of all us kings.

 

[Christian Soldier]

please, burst away.

He is and He imparts His abilties so that humans can operate as prophets, teachers, evangelist, apostles etc. Of ourselves from birth we could not prophesy of what we could not see, teach what we do not know, evangelise telling of Him we've never known, do the works of an apostle.

I'll take whatever the Spirit gives me. I'm not picky, just glad i can contribute to the building up of my Christ's body.

what was it i identify as? Maybe you know me better than those around me and myself.

ok, you identify me as a goat. That's your assessment of me who you've never met. Interesting.

I can't choose where I end up going and what I end up doing. That's the Potter's decision.




what law is that again?

I'm glad you have that assurance. It's very comforting hey. I enjoy the knowing that I, along with the restoration the elect will serve in Jesus's 1000 year kingdom. Yay!

The Holy Spirit has imparted some gifts to the Prophets and Apostles but neither of those have existed in the past 2000 years.

God never ordained and new Prophets in the last 2000 years as there are no new prophecies to give. And He never ordained any new Apostles in the past 2000 years because there has been no Christ on the earth to follow in the past 2000 years.

The Holy Spirit works in mysterious ways, we can't see Him or hear Him and we can't feel His presence, but those of us who are indwelt by Him bare witness to Him because the evidence of His presence is evidenced by our changed lives and our changed affections. He transforms us from being lovers of sin, to being lovers of God.

The holy Spirit doesn't give us any powers or new prophecies. Many have mistakenly believed that they have received special powers of healing and they went on to establish "Deliverance Ministries". The sad truth is, nobody has ever been given those gifts, since the Apostles and Prophets of the bible had them.

Those who claim to have those gifts today are deceived, after Christ's assentation to heaven, God has only given us Shepherds to teach us dumb sheep those things written in the bible. We haven't been given a single word outside of the 66 books of the bible. My Shepherd has a "Deliverance Ministry" his gift is to preach the same old gospel which all the saved people in history were saved by.

Abraham placed his trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for the remissions of his sins and everyone before him and after him are saved in the exact same way. There is no alternative way to be saved, Jesus confirmed this truth by saying "nobody comes to the father but by Me". So the gospel of Jesus Christ always has been the way of salvation for all of mankind in every age and it will continue to be the only way for the generations to come. There is nothing new under the heavens, all things remain the same as they always have been.

We don't agree on every doctrine, but I'm sure you would agree that there has always been only one way to God and that it by the Lord Jesus Christ.

The only thing the Holy Spirit will offer you is the gospel message, and nothing else. It would be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit to reject it, so the only unpardonable sin is to reject the gospel message because the gospel message is the only message of salvation. So if anyone rejects the only way, then it only leaves condemned to the lake of fire.

Why would the Holy Spirit give you gifts and extra biblical prophesy, Jesus finished the work of salvation for everyone who was saved in the [past, present and future. There is no need for gifts or prophesy as there's noting more to do, except receive the free gift of salvation, which only the elect will receive because the unbelievers will reject it and they will never find it within themselves to believe the gospel message.

I love it when you proclaim the truth, and admit that we don't chose where we end up and that it's in the Potters hands. I'm very encouraged to read this undeniable truth. It gives me great hope that you're on the right track, so I have to apologize and withdraw my previous false charges against you.

I don't agree with you eschatological view regarding the millennial reign of Christ but, that's not a deal breaking difference. We can have different vies regarding the interpretation of the scriptures which deal with that subject, as they used symbolic and parabolic language. In any case, a person can be saved regardless of which of the four eschatological views they hold to.

 

[Christian Soldier]

But we have a solution to this problem. It is found in Him (the Spirit of the Truth) Who came after Christ (the Truth) left and went to heaven.

The Spirit of the Truth has come from the Truth in heaven to lead us into ALL truth as He promised He would. And He lives in us now.

So we have the solution to your problem living inside us. Now that's something to be super grateful for.

Yes, if you can't find a way to heaven to access the Truth, take heart, He has come to us in the form of His Spirit. Wooohoo!

I've found Him!!! He has returned to us in Spirit form as the Spirit of the Truth. I found Him inside me. He's moved in and made me His home. The temple of the Truth. Yay!

Not sure what you are refering to when you made this quote. Is it some more extra biblical revelation?

I'm glad you found Him too.

Yes, isn't it beyond great that Jesus came and redeemed us from every tongue, tribe, people and nation. Choosing us out from amoung the rest of the clay, made us righteous so we can be part of His body, the church and future bride.

And to go further, we will reign as kings and priests in His global government ruling from Jerusalem that's in the headlines atm. What a hope we have in Christ the King of all us kings.

The Holy Spirit was sent to help us remember everything that Jesus taught. So His job is to keep us from being deceived by the doctrine of demons and teach us everything that Jesus wants us to know.

John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

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[One 2 question]

The Holy Spirit was sent to help us remember everything that Jesus taught. So His job is to keep us from being deceived by the doctrine of demons and teach us everything that Jesus wants us to know.

John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.​

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And.... But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. Jn 16:13

I love this truth, He will tell you what is yet to come.

And that He has. I will not reject Him and His mandate. I have and will continue to accept whatever truth He gets from Jesus and gives to me.

Jesus may have the Spirit use the bible exclusively to impart truth to you. But for me it definatly hasn't been as I don't read the bibles, any of them and haven't for years now. I have no interest in studying it or using it to find answers to any questions that arise. I keep it very simple, I just go to the Spirit of 'the Truth' and ask Him. Then when He's ready He answers.

 

[Phoneman777]

I don't identify as a universalist. I don't know exactly what it is.

It's the idea that God will eventually allow the wicked to enter heaven after burning for a while...or something like that.

It's a coping mechanism for those who believe wicked souls can't die but reject the idea of eternal torment. Of course, the soul passes out of existence at death (annihilation), so Universalism isn't true.

 

[Christian Soldier]

And.... But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. Jn 16:13

I love this truth, He will tell you what is yet to come.

And that He has. I will not reject Him and His mandate. I have and will continue to accept whatever truth He gets from Jesus and gives to me.

Jesus may have the Spirit use the bible exclusively to impart truth to you. But for me it definatly hasn't been as I don't read the bibles, any of them and haven't for years now. I have no interest in studying it or using it to find answers to any questions that arise. I keep it very simple, I just go to the Spirit of 'the Truth' and ask Him. Then when He's ready He answers.

The verse says "He will tell you what is yet to come", this prophesy was fulfilled. When the Holy Spirit revealed what is to come to the Apostle John on the isle of Patmos.
So that's what Jesus was referring to regarding "telling us what is yet to come". Now everybody knows what is to come because it was revealed to us 2000 years ago, so you're saying that He kept some things back from John and revealed to yourself. This is unacceptable, because it means that you have usurped the office of an Apostle.

I know for a fact that, there have not been any new Apostles or Prophets appointed by God in the past 2000 years, so I must assume that you are deceived.

The fact that you look outside of the bible for anything, shows that you have strayed away from the safety of the flock and the Shepherd. A rouge sheep is the most venerable creature of all, especially when a hungry lion gets wind of it. I would urge you to come back to the safety of the flock, before you are devoured.

 

[One 2 question]

The verse says "He will tell you what is yet to come", this prophesy was fulfilled. When the Holy Spirit revealed what is to come to the Apostle John on the isle of Patmos.
So that's what Jesus was referring to regarding "telling us what is yet to come".

When did Jesus tell YOU this is what He meant when He said these words?

I have never read or heard Jesus add those words,
"He will tell you what is yet to come", this prophesy was fulfilled. When the Holy Spirit revealed what is to come to the Apostle John on the isle of Patmos.

Now everybody knows what is to come because it was revealed to us 2000 years ago, so you're saying that He kept some things back from John

For sure, information was withheld. And also God revealed things to John which John wasn't allowed to write down and have revealed to us.
Revelation 10:4: "When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, I was about to write; and I heard a voice from heaven saying, 'Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them.'"

Then there was Daniel who at could at least write them down but couldn't reveal what he wrote.
Daniel 12:4: “But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”

and revealed to yourself. This is unacceptable, because it means that you have usurped the office of an Apostle.

I'm just me. No title. I just accept what Jesus sends to me through His indwelling Spirit. And I say thanks. As this is freely given to me I freely share it with others. You're no exception.

I know for a fact that, there have not been any new Apostles or Prophets appointed by God in the past 2000 years, so I must assume that you are deceived.

Assume as much as you like.

The fact that you look outside of the bible for anything, shows that you have strayed away from the safety of the flock and the Shepherd.

What flock? Where are they? I have one Shepherd, the Great Shepherd over the flock of God. His name is Jesus the Christ, Son of the Living God.

A rouge sheep is the most venerable creature of all, especially when a hungry lion gets wind of it. I would urge you to come back to the safety of the flock, before you are devoured.

I have no fear of any lion, for the Lion I submit to and follow is my Protector. He's the Lion of the tribe of Judah, His name is Jesus the Christ, Son of the Living God.

 

[Christian Soldier]

When did Jesus tell YOU this is what He meant when He said these words?

I have never read or heard Jesus add those words,
"He will tell you what is yet to come", this prophesy was fulfilled. When the Holy Spirit revealed what is to come to the Apostle John on the isle of Patmos.


For sure, information was withheld. And also God revealed things to John which John wasn't allowed to write down and have revealed to us.
Revelation 10:4: "When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, I was about to write; and I heard a voice from heaven saying, 'Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them.'"

Then there was Daniel who at could at least write them down but couldn't reveal what he wrote.
Daniel 12:4: “But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”

I'm just me. No title. I just accept what Jesus sends to me through His indwelling Spirit. And I say thanks. As this is freely given to me I freely share it with others. You're no exception.

Assume as much as you like.

What flock? Where are they? I have one Shepherd, the Great Shepherd over the flock of God. His name is Jesus the Christ, Son of the Living God.

I have no fear of any lion, for the Lion I submit to and follow is my Protector. He's the Lion of the tribe of Judah, His name is Jesus the Christ, Son of the Living God.

Jesus has never told me anything, so I've never heard from Him at all. But He did send the Comforter, to teach His people about everything He ever said while He was on the earth.

The only way we can hear from Jesus, is through His Word when it is preached or read. So we need a preacher to teach us what He said and we need the Holy Spirit to lead us, He gives us discernment to decipher the truth so we won't fall prey to false teachers.

There's nothing mysterious about Jesus saying "He will tell you about the things to come". No interpretation is required here, it's safe to take it literally. Jesus told John what was to come, and the Holy Spirit confirms it to us when we hear these prophecies being preached or when we read of them in the bible.

Nobody is suggesting that Jesus revealed everything that was to come upon the earth after He he ascended back to heaven. I think Him for not telling us about the horrific things to come, I would rather not know and He loves me enough to keep these horrible things from me. It's bad enough have to suffer those horrible things, so why would Jesus tell us about them and cause us to live in dread, knowing the horrors which await us.

They say "ignorance is bliss", so I couldn't be happier living in ignorance of the horrific thigs which are coming upon the the world. I can enjoy life without the horrible knowledge of thigs to come. i can't understand why any sane person would delve into the hidden things and attempt to uncover what God has hidden from us, it's actually the same "rebellion of witchcraft" which men like Saul committed by consulting with a witch. He committed suicide after finding out his future.
That's why I urged you not to dabble in witchcraft, as I know it will blow your mind and you will lose your soul.

Be satisfied with what Jesu gives you and don't try to find what He has deliberately hidden for you. The flock is the Body of Christ, the visible Church. Why did you fall away and become a victim of the hungry lion, He has already devoured you so your a dead man walking and you don't even know it.

Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, the fact that you have no fear shows that you have no wisdom, if you don't fear the hungry loin which God sent to devour rouge sheep then you have signed your own death warrant. God created the hungry lion (the Devil) for this very purpose. God said "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge", don't ignore what He has said by His Word 'The Holy Bible".

 

[One 2 question]

Jesus has never told me anything, so I've never heard from Him at all.

That seems quite common amoung Christians.

But He did send the Comforter, to teach His people about everything He ever said while He was on the earth.

Sure. And things to come.

The only way we can hear from Jesus, is through His Word when it is preached or read.

I'm confused. I thought you said in a previous post that Jesus Christ is the Word. Now you seem to be refering to Him as something written and read.

So we need a preacher to teach us what He said and we need the Holy Spirit to lead us, He gives us discernment to decipher the truth so we won't fall prey to false teachers.

Personally I don't need a teacher besides the Spirit of the Christ. He reveals truth sent from Jesus.

There's nothing mysterious about Jesus saying "He will tell you about the things to come". No interpretation is required here, it's safe to take it literally. Jesus told John what was to come, and the Holy Spirit confirms it to us when we hear these prophecies being preached or when we read of them in the bible.

Go right ahead. Stay within the parameters of a book of books. I certainly have no interest whatsoever of being confinded to such an extremely limited resource.

Nobody is suggesting that Jesus revealed everything that was to come upon the earth after He he ascended back to heaven.

Glad to hear

I think Him for not telling us about the horrific things to come, I would rather not know and He loves me enough to keep these horrible things from me. It's bad enough have to suffer those horrible things, so why would Jesus tell us about them and cause us to live in dread, knowing the horrors which await us.

They say "ignorance is bliss", so I couldn't be happier living in ignorance of the horrific thigs which are coming upon the the world. I can enjoy life without the horrible knowledge of thigs to come. i can't understand why any sane person would delve into the hidden things and attempt to uncover what God has hidden from us, it's actually the same "rebellion of witchcraft" which men like Saul committed by consulting with a witch. He committed suicide after finding out his future.
That's why I urged you not to dabble in witchcraft, as I know it will blow your mind and you will lose your soul.

Personally I'm not interested in any other spirit besides the Spirit of the Christ.

The great thing is He doesn't reveal a dark, negative, horrific, dreadful future to me but pictures that generate hope and increased anticipation for what lay ahead.

Be satisfied with what Jesu gives you and don't try to find what He has deliberately hidden for you.

I am happy to have received the gems of truth He has given beyond what's in the bible.

My Shepherd said to ask, seek and knock so that we can receive, find and walk through the door into the freedom where the Spirit leads.

The flock is the Body of Christ, the visible Church. Why did you fall away and become a victim of the hungry lion, He has already devoured you so your a dead man walking and you don't even know it.

I stand, walk and live in Christ where He protects and provides for me and the rest of His sheep. I am very much alive in the Spirit just as He is in me.

Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, the fact that you have no fear shows that you have no wisdom

The love for God is the journey of wisdom, beyond its beginning. I'm way past fearing my loving Father. I feared Him at first, when I came to Him in my sin, worthy of condemnation but after being cleansed of all my sin He showed me His mercy and grace. Now i am accepted by Him. We have love for eachother so no more fear here.

if you don't fear the hungry loin which God sent to devour rouge sheep then you have signed your own death warrant. God created the hungry lion (the Devil) for this very purpose. God said "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge", don't ignore what He has said by His Word 'The Holy Bible".

The knowledge i receive these days aren’t from one of the bibles. It's directly from the Spirit.

That's all OK. I am one of His. He has and will take care of me. So you are right, I have no need to fear, so I don't. I keep it simple. I walk by faith in my sovereign Shepherd.

 

[Christian Soldier]

That seems quite common amoung Christians.

Sure. And things to come.

I'm confused. I thought you said in a previous post that Jesus Christ is the Word. Now you seem to be refering to Him as something written and read.

Personally I don't need a teacher besides the Spirit of the Christ. He reveals truth sent from Jesus.

Go right ahead. Stay within the parameters of a book of books. I certainly have no interest whatsoever of being confinded to such an extremely limited resource.

Glad to hear

Personally I'm not interested in any other spirit besides the Spirit of the Christ.

The great thing is He doesn't reveal a dark, negative, horrific, dreadful future to me but pictures that generate hope and increased anticipation for what lay ahead.

I am happy to have received the gems of truth He has given beyond what's in the bible.

My Shepherd said to ask, seek and knock so that we can receive, find and walk through the door into the freedom where the Spirit leads.

I stand, walk and live in Christ where He protects and provides for me and the rest of His sheep. I am very much alive in the Spirit just as He is in me.

The love for God is the journey of wisdom, beyond its beginning. I'm way past fearing my loving Father. I feared Him at first, when I came to Him in my sin, worthy of condemnation but after being cleansed of all my sin He showed me His mercy and grace. Now i am accepted by Him. We have love for eachother so no more fear here.

The knowledge i receive these days aren’t from one of the bibles. It's directly from the Spirit.

That's all OK. I am one of His. He has and will take care of me. So you are right, I have no need to fear, so I don't. I keep it simple. I walk by faith in my sovereign Shepherd.

Jesus did tell the Apostle John to write down the things He told him would come to pass on the earth and in heaven. He told him only what He wanted us to know and He kept the rest a secret.

I tried to warn you before about attempting to find out those things Jesus hid from us. You have been deceived by Satan, in the exact same way that He deceived Eve. He told Eve that God is hiding good things form her, just as He is telling you that God is hiding revelations from you, so you communicate with evil Spirits who give you false revelations and you think you're getting them from the Holy Spirit but the truth is you're getting them from evil Spirits.

God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the forbidden fruit, just as He commands us not to dabble in witchcraft and necromancy. God forbids it because He doesn't want you to know about the future

Matt 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

As you can see, you have enough evil on your plate today, so deal with it and don't heap tomorrows evil on op of todays. Gods hides evil from you, for your own protection. But if you disobey His warning and seek after it He will let it destroy you and that will be your punishment for your disobedience.

The Lord Jesus is the Word of God and He is God, and the Bible is the Word of God. So when you study the Bible, you're listening to what Jesus is saying to you through His Word. The bible is not just 66 books with inspired thoughts of men, it is the all powerful living Word of God, His Word is eternally alive and eternally all powerful.

So it's not just words in an old book, it's actually Gods Words speaking to you right now, and His Word has the power to move mountains if you believe in it.

I would urge you to fear God, if you don't fear Him and attempt to come into His presence, He will destroy you immediately because you are an abomination in His sight, just as the rest of mankind is. God need to kill you and create a new person made in His image before you can be acceptable in His sight, and that doesn't happen until you die and receive your glorified body.

Your currant state is an abomination in His sight, so we can only pray to the Father by the Holy Spirit, in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. But there's no way you can speak directly to Jesus or the Father, all you have to instruct you and guide you is the Bible and the Holy Spirit does a mysterious work in you and you're not even aware of Him doing it.

 

[David in NJ]

Interestingly, the Witnesses believe that from 33 A.D forward, 144,000 Christians shall be resurrected unto heaven so to live eternally with God.

WOW, is that SAD(only 144k) and UNTRUE.................run from that cult = FAST

FASTER then you can say 'spit'

 

[One 2 question]

Jesus did tell the Apostle John to write down the things He told him would come to pass on the earth and in heaven. He told him only what He wanted us to know and He kept the rest a secret.

The great thing is God is continuing to revealing more and more of Themselves to Their creations. As Paul said, And to make all men see (this creation) what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places (previous creation) might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. Eph 3: 9-11

Hidden things revealed. Now we have access to Them.

I tried to warn you before about attempting to find out those things Jesus hid from us. You have been deceived by Satan, in the exact same way that He deceived Eve. He told Eve that God is hiding good things form her, just as He is telling you that God is hiding revelations from you, so you communicate with evil Spirits who give you false revelations and you think you're getting them from the Holy Spirit but the truth is you're getting them from evil Spirits.

God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the forbidden fruit, just as He commands us not to dabble in witchcraft and necromancy. God forbids it because He doesn't want you to know about the future

Matt 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

So according to your interpretation of this quote, why did Jesus say this to John yet later on give him revelation into the future?

As you can see, you have enough evil on your plate today, so deal with it and don't heap tomorrows evil on op of todays. Gods hides evil from you, for your own protection. But if you disobey His warning and seek after it He will let it destroy you and that will be your punishment for your disobedience.

Again, what the Spirit brings to me from Jesus is not a burden, negative, evil, warnings but hope generating, love producing, joy releasing and peace inducing truths.

The Lord Jesus is the Word of God and He is God, and the Bible is the Word of God. So when you study the Bible, you're listening to what Jesus is saying to you through His Word. The bible is not just 66 books with inspired thoughts of men, it is the all powerful living Word of God, His Word is eternally alive and eternally all powerful.

The very encouraging fact is that as you study and apply truths from the historical Christ of 2000 years I get new truths from the same Christ throughout my current relationship with His Spirit.

Let's celebrate the benefits that Father gives through Christ, the Word Who became flesh dwelt among us humans, went back to heaven and will return to us in the future.

So it's not just words in an old book, it's actually Gods Words speaking to you right now, and His Word has the power to move mountains if you believe in it.

Thanks for the reminder of the potency of His power.

I would urge you to fear God, if you don't fear Him and attempt to come into His presence, He will destroy you immediately because you are an abomination in His sight, just as the rest of mankind is. God need to kill you and create a new person made in His image before you can be acceptable in His sight, and that doesn't happen until you die and receive your glorified body.

Your currant state is an abomination in His sight, so we can only pray to the Father by the Holy Spirit, in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. But there's no way you can speak directly to Jesus or the Father

The truth is, we have been communicating together for a long time and without fear. For it is a fact that love gets rid of all fear. And as Father and I love eachother, there's no fear here. I encourage you to exercise your faith in this way and go directly to Them and enjoy Their company.

Someone mentioned a book that helped them in this area of their life. I think it was, Experiencing the depths of Jesus Christ by Guyon.

all you have to instruct you and guide you is the Bible and the Holy Spirit does a mysterious work in you and you're not even aware of Him doing it.

Isn't it amazing to reflect on our journey of life and see the changes that the Spirit of the Christ has made, to see the character of Christ formed in us contrary to the flawed character we were born with. To hear others who knew us formerly say how they have observed a new, different person. Even those who've just come to know us ask why we are different to everyone else. They see Christ in us and want Him. How simple is that. The Spirit reveals, draws to and makes us like Christ. No wonder He said, My yoke is easy and My burden is light. He does nearly all the work.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Php 2:13

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus did tell the Apostle John to write down the things He told him would come to pass on the earth and in heaven. He told him only what He wanted us to know and He kept the rest a secret.

You have been deceived by Satan, in the exact same way that He deceived Eve. He told Eve that God is hiding good things form her, just as He is telling you that God is hiding revelations from you, so you communicate with evil Spirits who give you false revelations and you think you're getting them from the Holy Spirit but the truth is you're getting them from evil Spirits.

God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the forbidden fruit, just as He commands us not to dabble in witchcraft and necromancy. God forbids it because He doesn't want you to know about the future

Matt 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

As you can see, you have enough evil on your plate today, so deal with it and don't heap tomorrows evil on op of todays. Gods hides evil from you, for your own protection. But if you disobey His warning and seek after it He will let it destroy you and that will be your punishment for your disobedience.

The Lord Jesus is the Word of God and He is God, and the Bible is the Word of God. So when you study the Bible, you're listening to what Jesus is saying to you through His Word. The bible is not just 66 books with inspired thoughts of men, it is the all powerful living Word of God, His Word is eternally alive and eternally all powerful.

So it's not just words in an old book, it's actually Gods Words speaking to you right now, and His Word has the power to move mountains if you believe in it.

I would urge you to fear God, if you don't fear Him and attempt to come into His presence, He will destroy you immediately because you are an abomination in His sight, just as the rest of mankind is. God need to kill you and create a new person made in His image before you can be acceptable in His sight, and that doesn't happen until you die and receive your glorified body.

Your currant state is an abomination in His sight, so we can only pray to the Father by the Holy Spirit, in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. But there's no way you can speak directly to Jesus or the Father, all you have to instruct you and guide you is the Bible and the Holy Spirit does a mysterious work in you and you're not even aware of Him doing it.

Jesus did tell the Apostle John to write down the things He told him would come to pass on the earth and in heaven. He told him only what He wanted us to know and He kept the rest a secret.

ABSOLUTELY True

I tried to warn you before about attempting to find out those things Jesus hid from us.

If you are referring unauthorized access via manipulation of scripture and/or adding to scripture what it does not say, then you are correct.

Yet there are hidden nuggets of truth that are revealed to us by the Holy Spirit = these nuggets DO NOT reaarange scripture or change teh intended meaning from God's heart to us.
EXAMPLE: Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

Concealed by God for us to search it out.
These nuggets of truth will speak of the Lord Jesus Christ and give glory to God.
Shalom