The Resurrection Parallel Accounts

[IndianaRob]

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day

Two things are raised in The Resurrection at the last day.

1. It
2. Those who see the Son and believe on him.

This is easy to figure out because it’s a parallel to 1 Thessalonians 4.

“It” in John 6:39 is the dead in Christ in 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

“Those who see the Son and believe on him” in John 6:40 is “those that are alive and remain” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Before I go any further, is what I have said so far understood and accepted or no?

 

[jeffweeder]

Before I go any further, is what I have said so far understood and accepted or no?

Not sure.
One thing happens to us, being the glorification of those dead and living in Jesus at the time of the Lords coming.

What also happens on the last day is this...,

Jn 12
47 If anyone hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but to save the world.

48 Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.


This parallels more specifically 2Thess 1.

6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire,

8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day




But your right, there is a connection between John's writings and Paul's writing to the Thessalonians as to when we are raised.

 

[ewq1938]

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day

Two things are raised in The Resurrection at the last day.

1. It
2. Those who see the Son and believe on him.

This is easy to figure out because it’s a parallel to 1 Thessalonians 4.

“It” in John 6:39 is the dead in Christ in 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

“Those who see the Son and believe on him” in John 6:40 is “those that are alive and remain” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Before I go any further, is what I have said so far understood and accepted or no?

No. Verse 40 is speaking of the same thing, the resurrection of the dead. It is not addressing those who survive the GT.

 

[IndianaRob]

But your right, there is a connection between John's writings and Paul's writing to the Thessalonians as to when we are raised.

I agree with the other stuff that you wrote but I want to focus on the parallel between the two passages.

Specifically I want to focus on the two groups in John 6 - 1) “it” and 2) “him”.

Why is one called an it and the other is called him?

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[IndianaRob]

No. Verse 40 is speaking of the same thing, the resurrection of the dead. It is not addressing those who survive the GT.

Who would you say are the ones in verse 39 referred to as “it” are?

 

[ewq1938]

Why is one called an it and the other is called him?

Not sure but both are translations from the same word, anistēmi. There is no "it" or "him" in the manuscripts so the translators choose those words. It's possible there are two different word genders used but I haven't looked that up.

 

[ewq1938]

Who would you say are the ones in verse 39 referred to as “it” are?

Both verses refer to the same people, those who will be resurrected.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree with the other stuff that you wrote but I want to focus on the parallel between the two passages.

Specifically I want to focus on the two groups in John 6 - 1) “it” and 2) “him”.

Why is one called an it and the other is called him?

Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

That's just a bad translation of John 6:39. Verses 39 and 40 are referring to the same people, not two different groups. Here it is from a few other translations:

NIV: And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

HCSB: This is the will of Him who sent Me: that I should lose none of those He has given Me but should raise them up on the last day.

WEB: This is the will of my Father who sent me, that of all he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise him up at the last day.

 

[IndianaRob]

That's just a bad translation of John 6:39. Verses 39 and 40 are referring to the same people, not two different groups. Here it is from a few other translations:

NIV: And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

HCSB: This is the will of Him who sent Me: that I should lose none of those He has given Me but should raise them up on the last day.

WEB: This is the will of my Father who sent me, that of all he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise him up at the last day.

No it’s not translated wrong in the KJV it’s translated wrong in the versions you gave.

“It” is the tabernacle of David.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No it’s not translated wrong in the KJV it’s translated wrong in the versions you gave.

“It” is the tabernacle of David.

Nonsense. That doesn't fit the context of what He was talking about at all. You seem to be someone who insists on being wrong about everything.

 

[IndianaRob]

Nonsense. That doesn't fit the context of what He was talking about at all. You seem to be someone who insists on being wrong about everything.

Do you even know what the tabernacle of David was? It was raised when Christ was resurrected.

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you even know what the tabernacle of David was? It was raised when Christ was resurrected.

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Yes, of course I know what it was. John 6:39 has nothing to do with that. Look at the verse again:

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

This is from the KJV. What was Jesus talking about raising up here? All of those who the Father gave Him. Hello? Did you just ignore that? How can you think He was talking about the tabernacle of David there? He was talking about resurrecting those who the Father gave Him at the last day. That's no different than the ones who He said He would raise on the last day in verse 40.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Those who believe in Him are those who the Father gave Him. Verses 39 and 40 go hand in hand. That should be obvious, but you miss everything.

The day of His resurrection was not the last day. Get out of here with that nonsense.

 

[IndianaRob]

Yes, of course I know what it was. John 6:39 has nothing to do with that. Look at the verse again:

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

This is from the KJV. What was Jesus talking about raising up here? All of those who the Father gave Him. Hello? Did you just ignore that? How can you think He was talking about the tabernacle of David there? He was talking about resurrecting those who the Father gave Him at the last day. That's no different than the ones who He said He would raise on the last day in verse 40.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Those who believe in Him are those who the Father gave Him. Verses 39 and 40 go hand in hand. That should be obvious, but you miss everything.

The day of His resurrection was not the last day. Get out of here with that nonsense.

What was the tabernacle of David that was raised up with Christ in Acts 15:15? If you don’t know what it is that’s fine, I can show you what it was.

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What was the tabernacle of David that raised up with Christ in Acts 15:15? If you don’t know what it is that’s fine, I can show you what it was.

Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Are you a broken record? I already addressed this. The context of John 6:39 is not raising up the tabernacle of David, but rather resurrecting those who believe in Christ that the Father gives Him. Why don't you show how you think the tabernacle of David is in view in John 6:39 instead of just repeating yourself. I don't see it referenced there in any way, shape or form.

 

[IndianaRob]

Are you a broken record? I already addressed this. The context of John 6:39 is not raising up the tabernacle of David, but rather resurrecting those who believe in Christ that the Father gives Him. Why don't you show how you think the tabernacle of David is in view in John 6:39 instead of just repeating yourself. I don't see it referenced there in any way, shape or form.

All I’m asking you is what was the tabernacle of David? Can you answer that very simple question?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

All I’m asking you is what was the tabernacle of David? Can you answer that very simple question?

The tabernacle of David represents the temple of God. The church. Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus as its chief cornerstone (Eph 2:19-22).

I'm trying to get you to explain how that has anything to do with John 6:39. You can't answer that simple question?

 

[IndianaRob]

The tabernacle of David represents the temple of God. The church. Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus as its chief cornerstone (Eph 2:19-22).

I'm trying to get you to explain how that has anything to do with John 6:39. You can't answer that simple question?

Yes I can I answer the simple question, the tabernacle of David was what the body of Christ was called in the Old Testament.

Read these verses carefully. “They” in verse 12 is the tabernacle of David in verse 11.

Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

Amo 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes I can I answer the simple question, the tabernacle of David was what the body of Christ was called in the Old Testament.

Yep. Not saying otherwise. What I was saying is that it was built up again in the form of the New Testament church.

And this all relates to John 6:39 how?

 

[IndianaRob]

Yep. Not saying otherwise. What I was saying is that it was built up again in the form of the New Testament church.

And this all relates to John 6:39 how?

John 6:39 is the tabernacle of David (Old Testament Saints) and verse 40 are believers in Christ AFTER the Old Testament saints were raised.

The tabernacle of David is exactly the same thing as the dead in Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

John 6:39 is the tabernacle of David (Old Testament Saints) and verse 40 are believers in Christ AFTER the Old Testament saints were raised.

The tabernacle of David is exactly the same thing as the dead in Christ.

Nope. Scripture never talks about resurrecting Old Testament saints separately from New Testament saints. No, John 6:39-40 are referring to the same people.

John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

In verse 40, Jesus simply expanded on what He said in verse 39 by indicating that those who the Father gives Him are "everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him". Those are the ones who will be resurrected at the last day when Jesus returns in the future. You are sadly mistaken.