URGENT MEDICAL WARNING!

[Grailhunter]

This is not Theology but I wanted to put it where most would see it.

I have went through some painful debilitating medical issues that were caused mostly by incompetent medical treatment and it is a long story so I am not going to bore you with all that, but I did learn something that you all need to know.

In the United States true pain killer medications are effectively illegal now. And they are considered controlled substances so they are illegal for you to have without a prescription and most doctors and or hospitals no longer prescribe or use them. Which means if you go into a hospital for surgery or a painful condition they will let you lay in your hospital bed in agony without painkillers, completely without sympathy. They will give you over the counter medications at the dose recommended on the label. But this will have little effect on relieving severe pain because Tylenol and Ibuprofen or variances thereof are actually for mild pain.

Why has this happened? It has been deemed politically incorrect to prescribe any Opioid. That being….Morphine, Demerol, OxyContin, Vicodin, Codeine. So why is this? Mostly ignorance.

Opioids can be habit forming if taken too long. They are powerful painkillers, in other words the pain does not register in your brain. And the key word is powerful and anything powerful, as in medications, people, guns, cars, can be used for good or for bad. Morphine has been used since the early 1800’s and has helped thousands of people, put as with all Opioids you can only take it for a short time.

Opioids should only be taken while in the hospital or under doctor’s care. But there is no rational reason not to use them to relieve pain under these conditions. But now it does not matter because most will just let you suffer. The other reason they are not going to prescribe true painkillers is legal liabilities. Best I can tell you it does not matter whether you are under doctor’s care or in the hospital, they are likely to let you suffer.

This is a warning! But I am not saying no doctor or hospital will give you real painkillers but it is something that you need to checkout before counting on your doctor or hospital to treat your condition. You do not want to end up in a hospital bed in agony and no one will help you.

Chronic pain patients struggle to get opioid prescriptions filled ... - CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/17/health/opioid-chronic-pain-cdc-guidelines-khn-partner/index.html#:~:text=Born%20of%20an%20effort%20to,doctors'%20ability%20to%20prescribe%20painkillers.

 

[Nancy]

This is not Theology but I wanted to put it where most would see it.

I have went through some painful debilitating medical issues that were caused mostly by incompetent medical treatment and it is a long story so I am not going to bore you with all that, but I did learn something that you all need to know.

In the United States true pain killer medications are effectively illegal. And they are considered controlled substances so they are illegal for you to have without a prescription and most doctors and or hospitals no longer prescribe or use them. Which means if you go into a hospital for surgery or a painful condition they will let you lay in your hospital bed in agony without painkillers, completely without sympathy. They will give you over the counter medications at the dose recommended on the label. But this will have little effect on relieving severe pain because Tylenol and Ibuprofen or variances thereof are actually defamatories not real pain killers.

Why has this happened? It has been deemed politically incorrect to prescribe any Opioid. That being….Morphine, Demerol, OxyContin, Vicodin, Codeine. So why is this? Mostly ignorance.

Opioids can be habit forming if taken too long. They are powerful painkillers, in other words the pain does not register in your brain. And the key word is powerful and anything powerful, as in medications, people, guns, cars, can be used for good or for bad. Morphine has been used since the early 1800’s and has helped thousands of people, put as with all Opioids you can only take it for a short time.

Opioids should only be taken while in the hospital or under doctor’s care. But there is no rational reason not to use them to relieve pain under these conditions. But now it does not matter because most will just let you suffer. The other reason they are not going to prescribe true painkillers is legal liabilities. Best I can tell you it does not matter whether you are under doctor’s care or in the hospital, they are likely to let you suffer.

This is a warning! But I am not saying no doctor or hospital will give you real painkillers but it is something that you need to checkout before counting on your doctor or hospital to treat your condition. You do not want to end up in a hospital bed in agony and no one will help you.

Chronic pain patients struggle to get opioid prescriptions filled ... - CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/17/health/opioid-chronic-pain-cdc-guidelines-khn-partner/index.html#:~:text=Born%20of%20an%20effort%20to,doctors'%20ability%20to%20prescribe%20painkillers.

I am sorry to hear of your pain issues, I hope they have improved.

I have a brother that has been going through this over the last few years. Cutting him clean off with no down-dosing is bad enough but he has to fight the pain all the time now. He's not the best person to call anymore for a friendly chat. He was very good with taking them as perscribed and even skipped doses over the years, never ever miss used them.
This country is cruel when it comes to pain control
Feel better.

 

[Grailhunter]

I am sorry to hear of your pain issues, I hope they have improved.

I have a brother that has been going through this over the last few years. Cutting him clean off with no down-dosing is bad enough but he has to fight the pain all the time now. He's not the best person to call anymore for a friendly chat. He was very good with taking them as perscribed and even skipped doses over the years, never ever miss used them.
This country is cruel when it comes to pain control
Feel better.

Thank you for your concern but please keep me in your prayers, because I think prayers are the only thing that has got me through this so far. This has been an eight month ordeal.

I am improving but by no help from any doctor. I have been to the VA several times and two hospitals and an Urgent Care and a wound clinic and a video appointment with a doctor from John Pershing hospital and they were of no help and none of them were concerned with the pain I was in. I had not slept for weeks, I think I passed out on occasion.

I finally contacted a Navy Corpsman that I knew in Seal Team Six and he pointed me in the right direction to relieve the pain and start the healing process.

 

[Nancy]

Thank you for your concern but please keep me in your prayers, because I think prayers are the only thing that has got me through this so far. This has been an eight month ordeal.

I am improving but by no help from any doctor. I have been to the VA several times and two hospitals and an Urgent Care and a wound clinic and a video appointment with a doctor from John Pershing hospital and they were of no help and none of them were concerned with the pain I was in. I had not slept for weeks, I think I passed out on occasion.

I finally contacted a Navy Corpsman that I knew in Seal Team Six and he pointed me in the right direction to relieve the pain and start the healing process.

Eight months is a long time! And I do believe it was The Lord who got you through it, amen. And I will keep you in my prayers for relief, strength and lot's of grace.

 

[MatthewG]

Love to you @Grailhunter thank you for the heads up!

 

[Rita]

I am so sorry , they started to cut back on opioids from GPs in the U.K., but not in the hospitals. My daughter got addicted to opioids because of a hip problem, that addiction caused an opioid depression and she ended up trying to end her life, thankfully she survived and a year on she is not longer on opioids, but it took her attempt to find the right help.
Her mum in law was just stopped medication from her go, she is elderly and has arthritis and other health issues. Thankfully, after quite awhile she adapted, so there is some evidence that the opioids caused more pain ( long term use )
My daughter has done a lot of research and there are other pain meds out there that are not opioid based, but sadly they are only approved over here for certain conditions, I can ask her what they are but I think the names vary from country to country. Not sure how the local Doctors work in the US either.

 

[Grailhunter]

I am so sorry , they started to cut back on opioids from GPs in the U.K., but not in the hospitals. My daughter got addicted to opioids because of a hip problem, that addiction caused an opioid depression and she ended up trying to end her life, thankfully she survived and a year on she is not longer on opioids, but it took her attempt to find the right help.
Her mum in law was just stopped medication from her go, she is elderly and has arthritis and other health issues. Thankfully, after quite awhile she adapted, so there is some evidence that the opioids caused more pain ( long term use )
My daughter has done a lot of research and there are other pain meds out there that are not opioid based, but sadly they are only approved over here for certain conditions, I can ask her what they are but I think the names vary from country to country. Not sure how the local Doctors work in the US either.

Sorry to hear about your daughter, and I am glad she made it through all that. What are they suppose to do with long term pain? Long term use of Opioids is just not an option unless you are in a hospital. For a doctor to prescribe Opioids for an extended period for an outpatient is setting himself up for a law suite or jail time.

My daughter is a nurse and my son use to be a surgical tech, but now he sells “the joint parts” and assists in surgery. So I am aware of people that have been on Opioids for a long time….put it is usually in combination with other medications and they are in something like a nursing home with daily observation. The point is that you cannot have a normal life with that much pain and long term use of Opioids.

In my case I should have spent more time in the hospital but they did not want to admit what they had done to me. I was in a wheelchair for a month and a half and a walker for a month and a half and I still use a cane some of the time. But now most of the pain can be handled with a little Tylenol.

But because I got involved with all this I come to realize that pain management has went south in most cases. Can you imagine going to a hospital for appendectomy or heart surgery and wake up in a hospital bed and they are handing you Tylenol. You cannot sleep when you are in this kind of pain. That is why I wanted to warn people that it is good idea to checkout their doctors and hospitals to know what to expect and find some that will handle pain management correctly.

I have taken Opioids before, intravenously in the hospital. In the Navy I took Morphine following a appendectomy and I took Demerol intravenously while in the hospital for kidney stones. Still that was not long term. But I can guarantee you I would not have wanted to take just Tylenol in either case.

But the warning goes both ways, it is good to know you cannot take Opioids for a long time, but when you need them you need to be under the care of those that will give them to you for a short period of time. In the US there is not an alternative for severe pain so it is matter of competent medical care.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I had tooth pain real bad, and had to put up with it, it came on on a friday and come monday till i could see a dentist and have it removed.
I remember having the same thing back in the 80's but they gave me good drug and sleeping pill, to see me through for the monday.

What i believe is happening is that the people who abuse drugs ! are looked after ! and you can go to hell as far as the Government is concerned ! For they are looking after the squeeky wheel !
I am sure that a person in the government will get drugs for such tooth pain directly !

But we all have to be cast down to the lowest denominator level and not to be trusted at all ! just as if you were some total moron drug'o total moron !

But i am sure that people who take drugs like a fool, can get their hands on drugs for pain easy !

I was thinking of going to see the local drug dealer up the street for some thing ! seriously ! i did not care what the Law is, but i did not ask him because i do not trust such drugs from such people at all ! but maybe another day and i would of ?
Lucky i got into an old Dentist place that i once went to but it's hour drive away.

I was going to Sue the Government for what they had caused me to go through ! and someone should !

I have been shot with broken bones and all and that pain was nothing like that tooth pain.

A mate was in Hospital and next to him was a old dude who had his foot chopped off some years before and had to get more of his leg chopped off, he was blind ! and he said that the med was not right ! because he had dealt with such before. so all night he put up with that and in the morning they said, you know what you were right ! he was only getting 35% pain relief that he should of got.

A mate got his leg badly broken, as a car ran into him and he was on what ever Drug for weeks ? and he said he loved that drug ! it was really addictive he said !