God is probably more than three?
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Psalm 2 speaks of King David. He is the anointed one, (messiah means "anointed one") see I Sam 16:12-13. Here David is anointed by the priest and prophet Samuel, something that never happened with Jesus, he was never anointed by a prophet or priest, but only by a sinful woman, which of course means nothing.
"For I have set my king upon Zion, my holy hill." King David ruled from Mount Zion, he lived there and was buried there, but none of this applies to JC; he was never a king, and he never ruled from Mount Zion.
"He said to me, You are my son; this day I have begotten you." This does not mean that King David was a physical son of God. The expression "son of God" is used for people and angels who are greatly loved or favored by God, as we see in Genesis 6:4, Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, Psalm 82:6, 89:6 and many other verses.
Verse 8: "Ask of me, and I will give the nations for your inheritance, the ends of the earth for your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron, and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." All of this applies to King David, God gave him victory over all his enemies, but none of this applies to JC.
The claim that he will do the above after his second coming is a worthless claim, because anyone can claim that. And that is why it is absurd to say that Psalm 2 is about JC instead of King David.
"Kiss the son". The word "bar" in Hebrew means "clean" or "pure", and in Aramaic "son". In Psalm 2, it is translated by Christians as if it were Aramaic, and means "son", and they make it: "Kiss the son..." But since the Psalms are written in Hebrew, it is illogical to translate that one word as if it were Aramaic. The word "bar" occurs more often in the Psalms, and is never translated as "son". Here are a few examples of "bar" in the Psalms:
"The LORD has dealt with me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands has he rewarded me." Psalm 18:21
"The LORD hath rewarded me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his sight" Psalm 18:25
"Who may ascend into the hill of the LORD? Who may stand in his holy place? He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart," Psalm 24:3-4
So we see that the word "bar" is simply translated as "pure", and not as son. And likewise it should be translated in Psalm 2. And that is why the Jewish Stone Edition of the Tanakh says there: "Yearn for purity", and not something like "kiss the son". That "kiss the son" is therefore just another Christian twisting of their Bible translations.
Isaiah 9:2-7 "2 The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined. 3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, thou hast increased its joy; they rejoice before thee as with joy at the harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 4 For the yoke of his burden, and the staff for his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, thou hast broken as on the day of Mid'ian. 5 For every boot of the tramping warrior in battle tumult and every garment rolled in blood will be burned as fuel for the fire. 6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". 7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this."
Please take notice of the fact that Isaiah is talking in the past tense: "The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined.|
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government is upon his shoulder, and his name was called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
These are things which had happened already in the days of Isaiah.
If, despite these facts, you still want to apply these verses to JC, than read verse 5, 6, and 7, and see that JC didn't do any of those things. He never ruled on the throne of David, he never had any government on his shoulders, and there never was endless peace over his kingdom.
The same holds true for the verses 6 and 7: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". 7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this."
All of this doesn't hold true for JC; he never had any government on his shoulder. And also here is spoken in the past tense: "A child is born, a son is given. But most translations give it in the future tense. For instance the RSV, NIV, NAS, ESV, KJV, NIRV, the all say; "His name will be called ....", future tense. However, in the Hebrew text this too is past tense: "His name was called ...." The Hebrew expression here is "wayikra". That is the first word in the book of Leviticus. And all the previously mentioned translations there say: "And the Lord called Mozes ..." Past tense. Exactly the same the word. Isn't that weird? Exactly the same word is used in Genesis 5:1; "And God called the light 'day'" Called. Past tense. Nobody argues with that one. But why then, in Isaiah 9, is it suddenly changed to future tense? The answer is simple: The past tense doesn't fit with the Christian theology, and therefore the Bible translations are corrupted and twisted to fit the Christian religion. Just like that. There is only one solution for this problem: Take a course in Biblical Hebrew. It is more easy then it looks. Then your eyes will be opened and the Christian deception will stare you in the face. And yes, I do sympathize with the poor misguided Christians whom are being led astray by their clergy by means of twisted and corrupted Bible translations. That's the reason why I fulfill my duty of being a light unto the nations and uncovering the Christian deception.
"Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end" "There will be no end", future tense. And this too is WRONG. It is in the Hebrew present tense. I found only one translation which is correct here, and that is Young's Literal Translation.
Why all this stress on the tenses? Isaiah spoke about a king who was living in his days, and therefore JC is out. The king that Isaiah speaks about is Hezekiah, the son of Achaz who got from Isaiah the sign about the young woman (no, not the virgin) who was pregnant and gave birth to the son Immanuel.
The Talmud explains that under the rule of the God fearing Hezekiah the Jewish kingdom rose to great heights, and that's why he was entitled to those impressive titles.
Because of the fact that the name of the son is "Mighty God", (or "God is Mighty", both are possible translations) and "Eternal Father", the Christians deduce that the boy spoken about must have been God.
HOWEVER, a name is only that; a name. A name is not a description of the bearer of that name. An example: Buffalo Bill was not a buffalo. The Indian chief Sitting Bull was not a bull.
Many times people in the Bible have in their name the word "God", or the name of God, but that doesn't mean that those people are God. For instance; in Exodus 6:23 is spoken about a man called "Elazar". That means "God is helper", or "Helping God". But that doesn't mean that that man was God.
Exodus 6:24; "Elkanah", that means "God acquired", or "acquiring God". II Samuel 22:19; "Elchanan"; "God is merciful", or "Merciful God". But these men were not God, just like the the child in Isaiah 9 wasn't God.
Apart from that, the Hebrew words "El gibor", in Christian Bibles translated with "Mighty God", can have a different meaning. "El" can mean "God", but it can also mean "judge", "leader", or "mighty man". In Exodus 4:16 God says to Moses that he will be of an elohiem for his brother Aharon. ("elohim" is the longer form of the word "el") This doesn't mean that Moses was a God for Aharon and Aharon started to worship his brother, it meant that Moses would be the leader of Aharon.
In Exodus 21:1-6 is spoken about a slave who after the normal period of servitude ended, doesn't want to leave his master. In that case the owner has to take him to court, where the slave will make a statement that he doesn't want to leave his master, and that he will serve his master until his death. The Hebrew text there says that his master must take him to the "elohim". There the NAS, ASV, ESV, NRSV, RSV, YLT, they all say that his master must take him "to God". However, his master doesn't take him for a ride to heaven, but takes him to the courthouse. Therefore the NIV, KJV, TNIV, and the NIRV, they all say that the master must take him to "the judges".
Even so in Isaiah 9 the word "El" does not necessarily mean "God". Therefore the text in Isaiah 9 is in no way a proof that the child spoken about was God.
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Nowhere in the Bible, also not in Matt 28:19, is a triune God to be found.
All over the Bible it says that God is one.
God is one
Bs"d "Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4 "Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One" Holman Christian Standard Bible "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." English Standard Version "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" New
Bs"d
Nowhere in the Bible, also not in Matt 28:19, is a triune God to be found.
All over the Bible it says that God is one.
God is one
Bs"d "Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4 "Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One" Holman Christian Standard Bible "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." English Standard Version "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" Newsites.google.com
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Does the Bible teach us or does Jesus Christ teach us????
Is 30:20 Although the Lord has given you bread of privation and water of oppression, He, your Teacher will no longer hide Himself, but your eyes will behold your Teacher.
Mat 23:8 “But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.
Jn 6:45 “It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
In the above verses we find that God, even Jesus the Christ, is our Teacher - or at least supposed to be our One Teacher - but as seen above, this is still hidden from some. So some feel the Bible is there Teachers, and others seek Him and hear from Him whose name is called "The Word of God, and explained that His sheep hear His voice!
And because this has been hidden from some, not all have His word abiding in them though they might be searching the Scriptures (their Bible) This is why Jesus explained to the Jews when He came in the flesh:
Jn 5: 38 - 40 “You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent.
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
So it is that some read the Scriptures, but lean on their own understanding and yet are unwilling to come to Him!!
And isn't that the reason Eliyahu613 wrote that the Bible teaches? As for me I understand that the verse after Is 30:20, which is: Is 30:21 and reads "Your ears will hear a word behind you, “This is the way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right or to the left."
If a person really knows the Lord Jesus Christ, they would know that the Word we preach is near us, even as the Great I Am. They would hear from Him saying where to go when, and even when to turn to the right or to the left! If has often taken me around to yard sales just so I could get used to hear Him tell me 'turn right up here', the 'now turn left at the end of the block', and then even go over things about the yard sale before I get out of my car. He will tell you things like, 'notice how they roughly spread around the items. They are not concerned about them and a lower price is likely to be accepted.' - Which is a teaching from Him.
He of course, will also ask you to read the Bible and go over it too, but as He once told me, "Life is not made up of a couple of thousand pages.", and "Can 1500 pages tell you all you need to know? So it was written that if all I had done was to be written perhaps the whole world could not contain it.", and another time, "Karl, I can't be contain in a box, not even a Bible box."
So if any though the Bible teaches, they are simply wrong!!! They do not know the Lord our God who is One God, and our Teacher!! So do they even understand why the Sacred Writings seem to make a big deal about God being One? No they don't!! I tell you the reason God makes a big deal about God being One is found in the following verses:
Jn 17: 22,23 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
Yet Jesus explained that all things would be given to them in parables because they don't listen, as you can read in the verses below:
Mat 13: 10-15 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.
“For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him.
“Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
“In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says,
‘YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND;
YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE;
FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL,
WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR,
AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES,
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES,
HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN,
AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.’
Simply put: To be taught of God you have to actually listen to Him. But reading the Bible is not listening to Him, and leaning on your understanding, as in "the Bible teaches", is not the same as hearing Him so you write, "the Lord teaches"
Bs"d
Nowhere in the Bible, also not in Matt 28:19, is a triune God to be found.
All over the Bible it says that God is one.
God is one
Bs"d "Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4 "Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One" Holman Christian Standard Bible "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." English Standard Version "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" New
Oh yes, it is explained in the Bible about God being One, but you don't know Him and hear from Him so you don't understand!
Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.
So even if you read:
Jn 17: 22,23 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
and
Jn 1: 1,2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
And you can't put together verses like:
Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
and
Jn 16:13-16 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
“He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
“All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.
and you can't put that together with:
Ps 2: 6,7 “But as for Me, I have installed My King
Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”
I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD:
He said to Me, ‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
Nor can you understand these verses:
Gen 15:1,2 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying,
“Do not fear, Abram,
I am a shield to you;
Your reward shall be very great.”
Abram said, “O Lord GOD, what will You give me, since I am childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”
nor:
Mat 11:27 “All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
And even if I explained it to you it would still be hidden from you because it is written:
Eza 3:5-7 “For you are not being sent to a people of unintelligible speech or difficult language, but to the house of Israel,
nor to many peoples of unintelligible speech or difficult language, whose words you cannot understand. But I have sent you to them who should listen to you;
yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate.
So I can and should explain it to you, but you will not listen to me because you are unwilling to listen to Him. Anyway, here is how it works:
His Father loved His only begotten Son so much that He gave Him all things, including the very words of God, and the throne of God. The Son loves and respects His Father so much that He does and says only what His Father tells Him!
Jn 12:49 “For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
Because of that, when you hear from the Son, who has been put in charge and given all things, you actually hear the words of His Father and not His words. So "nobody knows the Son", because the Son only speaks the words of His Father. And nobody knows the Father except they seek the Son and the words He been given from the Father. And the Holy Spirit also does not speak on His owns but takes the words of God, which Jesus Christ owns because they were given to Him, and gives them our spirit. So we find the Word of God we preach near us, in our mouth and heart, because that is where we find words given to our spirit by the Holy Spirit, who got them from the Son, Jesus Christ, but they came from His Father. So the Word of God is One God, and that One God we seek is the Christ, who we call Jesus, but He has a name!! And His name is called "The Word of God", because He has the words of God and wants to give them to us if only hear decide to listen to Him, and that takes faith in Him!
Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
or as we read in Gen 15:1 "the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying,"
The One we call Jesus Christ, came to Abram in a vision and spoke to Abram, and Moses when writing this story called Him 'the word of the Lord', as did the other prophets of old.
Jer 2:1 Now the word of the LORD came to me saying,
So the name of the Christ was "the word of the Lord" and He came to people saying from Adam on. And what did Abram call Him?
Gen 15:2 Abram said, “O Lord GOD, what will You give me,
Abram called Him "Lord God" - which is sometime called Jehovah, or Y-H-W-H - depending on how religious people get! But in the English Bibles you will find it as "Lord God", who is the 'the word of the Lord', Jesus Christ, who spoke to Abram.
So Abram/ Abraham, and Moses knew The Lord Jesus Christ (Jehovah, or Y-H-W-H - depending on how religious people get!) , but in knowing Him they did not know Him but His Father, because that is where He got His words, the words of God, and they came to you via the Holy Spirit talking to your spirit, if in fact you have ever heard from Him!!! Of course if you were hearing from Him you would be so worried about the Hebrew or Latin words Yəhōwā and Jehovah, because the devote disciples of His hear Him in their own language!!!
Acts 2:6 .... and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language.
And that is how you hear from Jesus Christ (Yəhōwā and Jehovah) because the Holy Spirit knows your language and how to speak the words He gets from Jesus Christ in that small voice that we find in your hearts.
Silly people - religion is our understanding of God and you get into that as opposed to actually seeking and knowing Him personally!! So you never do let Him into your life, and never fulfill the command, "Hear, O Israel", and so don't know how the Lord our God is One Lord, and so how will you fulfill the Law to Love Him? If you even loved Him a little you would seek Him, and then find Him and hear from Him and believe in Him because faith comes from hearing, and you would love Him more and more and more, because He will talk to you more and more and more!
Then you would understand that His plan, because He loves you, is to make us one with Him like He is one with the Father - which is to say we get the words of God that come down from the Father, to the Son, to the Holy Spirit, to us!! Yes there is a triune God and He wants us to also be one with Him like He is one with the Father! He prayed for it, and the real believers get the benefit of His prayer being answered in us!!
The depth of this verse has just passed you by!!
Jn 17:22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one
Eph 5:32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
The above little quote from a verse is a very interesting one. Like with so many things we find in the Scriptures, there is a deeper meaning than we think. That is because God teaches us with parables and saying.
Ps 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable;
I will utter dark sayings of old,
And that, interestingly, so that they won't know the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven!
Mat 13:10,11 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
Jesus answered them, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.
If you don't know Jesus Christ as your Teacher, so that you are His disciples, you read the Bible and find parables, sayings so that you don't come to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven. Jesus said that and so it is true! And this subject about One God and one flesh, is just such a saying. To understand it you have to be a disciple of His, and that means you are being taught by Him; meaning you ask Him questions, listen to His answers to you personally, and indeed wind up reasoning with Him!!
And the depth of ""And they shall be one flesh", has a lot more meaning, and depth of meaning than you will figure out without actually spending time with Him. Indeed, I keep finding out more about it as my time knowing Him goes on. So, a few quick things a person might want to talk to Him and listen to Him about on this subject - and I am not actually getting off the question in the OP, though some might not realize it. The question in the OP is a great question, and the simple answer, no matter how religious they are, miss the issue behind all this!
The Bible talks about this in a context of husband and wife, and that is a great mystery!
Eph 5:31 FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.
Eph 5:32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
Yet people read the above verses and think that God in no way can be more that one person - and they think that must be the Father, or perhaps they think the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one person in that since, but clearly my wife and myself are not the same person, but according to the verse above, when we are joined together we are One Flesh - so does that mean just in intercourse, or does it mean that one baby might come from that, or is there some spiritual meaning even though it says 'ONE FLESH'?
I can tell you that from talking to Him the answer is 'Yes', even though my thinking was; is it this, or this, or this. And it turns out that the understanding and purpose of it being 'Yes'. is not only deeper but more important that we understand, and in fact can understand from what I hear from Him. And the importance of it show up in the statement in the verse: but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
A quick understanding goes something like this, but it is deeper and you really need to actually spend time listening to the Lord to get a better understanding than can give you quickly. -
So His Father and the Holy Spirit of God come together, a word is spoken, and you get the Son (Jesus Christ, the Word of God).
Gen 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light
Jesus is the Light:
Jn 1:3,4 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
So the Father and the Spirit came together, and a word was spoken and He, The Word of God (Jesus Christ) came into being - and then He, the living Word of God speaks the words He gets from His Father through the Holy Spirit and everything else is created - which is why we read: "apart from Him nothing came into being" Now if anyone wants to argue about it I will just tell you to talk to Him, because He told me not to argue about this, because I was not there so what do I really know about it? Only what I heard.
Now this sets a pattern, partially because He only does and says what His Father tells Him, but also because He does like He see His Father doing. So the pattern is that two come together and One is produced. You see this same pattern in intercourse, and with the church too. We have read "you must be born again", right. And the word of God is the seed - we read that parable right? But the word has to be received, just like in intercourse the seed has to be received.
Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
The phrase "come in to", might also be thought of with a husband and wife, and it refers to a seed being planted, right. (not trying to be too ??? well). So the husband and wife become one flesh, in the since of a new life. Just like God came together and became the Light with is the lift of men (the Word of God)
So we are talking about Christ and His church - which are those born again so that they hear the sound of the wind.
Jn 3:6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
So when the Holy Spirt, who takes His words and brings them to you, is received by a person by hearing the Word (the sound of the wind) then the two Jesus Christ and the person in the flesh become One Flesh, because the Spirit is not flesh but we are. Therefore we (the born again church) become the temple (home) of God.
But if I have God in me, and I am one flesh, then I am a new creature and since God is in me, the I am one with God and a god. And this was the plan from the beginning. Of course I am not Him, but I am one with Him just like Jesus Christ, the Word of God who is God, yet like Jesus does not mean I am Him. After all Paul the Christian man wrote the following also:
Rom 7:19-21 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
So still only God is good, but still He dwells in me and can be heard by me. So if I really do listen to Him and do and say only what He tells me, then I am indeed like Him and things happen. So it was that He had me helping in a Christian healing ministry and by trying to do and say what He told me, resulted in Him performing miracles to verify what He told me.
Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed. [And they promptly reported all these instructions to Peter and his companions. And after that, Jesus Himself sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation.]
Therefore "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one" has to do with us His people hearing Him (Jesus Christ) and following Him as The Lord and our God, and the unity in Him we find when hearing Him and doing what He askes!! So where you read "God is One" that has to do with us being a new creation in Him (one with Him) like He is One with the Father (listening and obeying Him) and not about there only being one person. A marriage is about unity and working together, and so is God being One!!
Still, that understanding and knowledge, thought I explained it as clear as I can, will never be understood except a person listen for themselves!!
Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.
Or did we not read, concerning the seed:
Mat 13:3,4 And He spoke many things to them in parables, saying, “Behold, the sower went out to sow;
and as he sowed, some seeds fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate them up.
So if you are not really on the road to Jesus Christ the birds of the air (demons) will eat up the words of God, and what He says while standing there are the door will not be heard!
“Classical rabbinic texts from the third to seventh centuries on Psalm 2 are typically not polemical. They understand Psalm 2 as about the future war of Gog and Magog (Ezek 38-39) and about the future messiah. Thus, these rabbinic readings represent a continuity with what we saw in late Second Temple texts, including, to some extent, the New Testament.”
Psalm 2: Is the Messiah the Son of God? - TheTorah.com
YHWH declares to the Davidic king, “You are my son; today I have begotten you” (Psalm 2:7). For the New Testament, this verse is a prooftext for Jesus’s divinity, but what did it mean in its original context, and how did Jewish interpreters understand it? | Prof. Marc Zvi Brettler
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Bold is mine.
This should be kept in mind when you read the New Testament @PanInVietnam.
In the Bible the concept of "One' and the extended meaning or meanings is in numerous places in the Bible, and perhaps no more than in the New Testament. But not just the New Testament, because even the authors of the New Testament were speaking in reference to Jesus Christ and Him being One with God, as understanding of what is happening.
So while the word 'trinity' is not in the Bible (and for good reason if a person had understanding), still the concept of God being One and the meaning behind it is a common subject in the Bible. So even if there is a policy against the discussing the concept of God being One, that is not from God because it is a discussion in the Sacred and Holy Writings that God had people who did know Him wrote.
Yet someone notes that is causes controversy? Of course it does. Can you live with the Lord in this world and not have controversy considering the Satan and his dark forces are also around, and we battle with them. Indeed, if wisdom is had by a person, then don't they know that Satan battles with us in the areas that bother Satan the most. Or did they not even read where Wisdom and Understanding are names for the Spirit and our Lord Jesus Christ?
Prov 7:4 Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,”
And call understanding your intimate friend;
So when I write "understanding of what is happening" I mean Jesus Christ (who should be your friend that you know and talk to) has the understanding of what is happening!
And when I write "if wisdom is had by a person" I mean if the Holy Spirit is had by a person, and does not Jesus send His Holy Spirit with His words so that they dwell in us as the temple of God. And if Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God, because His Father gave Him all the things of the Father, then that includes the very words of God, so Jesus owns the very words of God, and the Spirit takes them and speaks them to our spirit.
So then, if we have the Holy Spirit in us, we are a new creature, being a creature with God in us, meaning the Holy Spirit dwells in us with the words of God which belong to the Son of God, Jesus Christ, whose name is called The Word of God because He owns the words of God because they were given to Him by His Father. And if His words are given to Him by His Father and we have His words, even the very words of God in us, because we have His Spirit in us, then are we not also one with God like Jesus is one with His Father. So God being "One", does not just mean the triune God, but it means we His people are one with Him, like He is one with His Father, and all that via the Holy Spirit and the words of God which passed through the Father to the Son and brought to us via His Holy Spirit.
So God being One God means we become one with Jesus Christ like He is one with the Father, and all that via the Holy Spirit of God, but who would really know this and who would not know this. Can even reading Bible and leaning on your own understanding get you the wisdom, understanding, and knowledge about this? Of course not, because God had is written:
Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.
And you cannot make God a liar!
You are either going to make it about every word that comes out of them mouth of God or you are going to fall into the temptation of Satan who tried to even tell Jesus to make bread out of those stones Moses brought down in the desert. If you are searching the Scriptures, thinking in them you have eternal life instead of actually seeking the voice of our Lord by faith, then you will never understand how God is One (Father, Son, Holy Spirit ---- and us who believe in Him) or did you not read:
Jn 17:20,21 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
So does this Christian forum require I thought out these verses out of the Sacred Writings, and others like them?
People - when Jesus asks His Father for something, He gets what He askes for? Or is it not written:
Jn 15:7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
and Jn 16:23 “In that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you.
They read but they can not understand because they don't have Understanding (Jesus Christ) as their intimate friend, nor do they know Wisdom (the Holy Spirit) as a member of their family, like their sister. They don't know that God being One was as a saying or parable that means we (believers) are to be made as one with God like Jesus is one with His Father!! And that is like it is written:
Jn 17:22,23 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
Unity in God is what God being One God was always about, but that is hidden from the unbelievers - and my pointing it out (even here) will not help them, because I have just shown you what was already written in the Bible and you didn't believe it either!
I’m not responsible for the current Christianity Board policy on the matter and have no ability to change it. I would if I could.
I also know God is one. Just as he tells us in his own words.
God is also everywhere and everything. For the same reason.
Hallowed be his name.Yes!
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