Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

[Marymog]

I was right. You haven’t changed…



There are umpteen BOOKS….full of quotes of Scripture….full of translations in to “modern” revised language….all being called BIBLES…

Soooooooooo (using a nonsense word YOU apparently understand)…I don’t care that…“so-called” modern translations …. Leaving out words, adding words….are called “Bibles”….nor care what Mormons “regard” their “companion” book AS……or what Catholics “regard” “THEIR” companion book AS….
Mormons want to hold a High “regard” for THEIR companion book….so what?
Catholics do also….using their companion book as a “PRIME teaching tool for Understanding” as they are TOLD to understand….




Do you need a q-tip? I am neither a Catholic nor Mormon member or spending my time with delving in to either denominations Companion books…

And while you think I am squirming….I am having a chuckle….BECAUSE Understanding According to Gods Understanding is NOT TAUGHT….it is a Gift from God Given to whom it pleases Him!

Let me try this ONE MORE TIME Taken: The Catechism is "full of quotes of Scripture" but is not considered SCRIPTURE and has NEVER been called Scripture or the Bible by The Church. Why do you keep repeating this FALSE NARRATIVE?????????

The Mormons consider the Book of Mormon to be Scripture and on par with the NT. Why you cannot comprehend or acknowledge this when THEY SAY IT IS ON PAR WITH SCRIPTURE this is baffling to me. It has NOTHING to do with as you oddly say "modern translations" or leaving out words or the Book of Mormon being a "companion book". THEY believe it is on par with Scripture. Can you not comprehend that?? How are you a staff member on a Christian website when you can't even acknowledge that the Mormons say it is Scripture, but you won't say they say it is Scripture? You also compare the Catechism to Scripture even though The Church has never said it is Scripture........You make no sense.

And as a "staff member" you mock and belittle me by using what you call a nonsense word. I suspect there is an internal policy that prohibits staff members from being sooooooo nasty and condescending @Angelina? You are part of the encounter team but almost every encounter I have had with you has been very abrasive. Not a good look for this forum.


What I love the most is that YOU....as I predicted..... are not going to answer!

My goodness.....

 

[Marymog]

Mary, I can't remotely take a Catholic arguing pro-sola scriptura as a requirement to be "Christian" seriously. This is beyond silly.

Lol....That's it? That's your response?????????

Yes, I and The Church are pro-sola Scriptura in regards how YOU are phrasing it. The Church and I believe that it is a requirement from God that we get our doctrine from 27 books of the NT Scripture.

Are there any books of Scripture that your denomination gets their doctrine from or adheres to that are NOT in those 27 books?

Patient Mary

PS: What is truly SILLY is that I quoted from your own official website that your denomination teaches that the Book of Mormon IS on par with the NT but you can't even agree and tell me, lil ole' marymog, that you agree with the teachings of your own Church.

 

[Taken]

I am not anti-Book of Mormon. The Mormons can write any book they want. There is no evidence that it is on par with NT Scripture like they believe.

Of course they can…and you can disagree with them….but, but, you are not anti-

Yet when a non-catholic disagrees with a catholic….(some, not all)….can hardly contain themselves from ….. whining…anti-catholic and name calling……..such as your following accusations…

… your ignorance of, Christian history, The Church and blind hatred for it…

As I said before….same ‘ole Mary.

 

[Taken]

@Angelina? You are part of the encounter team but almost every encounter I have had with you has been very abrasive. Not a good look for this forum.


What I love the most is that YOU....as I predicted..... are not going to answer!

Your foolish questions do not require consideration or an answer…I was very clear…they speak for themselves.

And doesn’t matter who is part of the encounter team….that is not a “cue” to have an expectation that an encounter team member is a doormat…to receive and embrace slurs and accusations with open arms…

 

[Marymog]

Of course they can…and you can disagree with them….but, but, you are not anti-

Yet when a non-catholic disagrees with a catholic….(some, not all)….can hardly contain themselves from ….. whining…anti-catholic and name calling……..such as your following accusations…



As I said before….same ‘ole Mary.

Wow, you, as a "Staff Member" are sure quick to respond to a post that hurts your feelings, but you can't seem to address my post that accuses a fellow member of falsely quoting me. Baffling.......truly baffling. I guess your personal feelings are above your duties as a Staff Member?

I am not anti-Mormon. I am anti-adding to Scripture with ZERO evidence that it is inspired by God. You can be anti-Catholic interpretation of Scripture all you want. I don't care. But you clearly are not anti-adding to Scripture with ZERO evidence that the "additional Scripture" was inspired by God.

 

[Marymog]

Your foolish questions do not require consideration or an answer…I was very clear…they speak for themselves.

And doesn’t matter who is part of the encounter team….that is not a “cue” to have an expectation that an encounter team member is a doormat…to receive and embrace slurs and accusations with open arms…

Oh....now I am asking foolish questions? Sooooo I am a fool?

A fellow member FALSLY quoting another member is not worthy of your consideration OR an answer. Wow.....nice. Looks like I need to rely on a member of staff that has earned my respect in @Angelina to let me know if falsely quoting someone is a violation. You don't seem to care.....unless it is YOU who is falsely quouted....then you would care. Wouldn't you?

 

[Marymog]

What is “almost comical” is Mary does not see the hypocrisy in her anti-Book of Mormon stance….

It appears that I cannot "ignore" you soooooo PLEASE do not respond to any of my posts unless it is in the duty of your professional capacity as a staff member!

Mary

PS: It is understandable and out of respect for honest debate if you respond to my last couple of posts. But after this DO NOT respond to any of my posts.

 

[Taken]

Wow, you, as a "Staff Member" are sure quick to respond to a post that hurts your feelings, but you can't seem to address my post that accuses a fellow member of falsely quoting me.

Don’t flatter yourself or speak for me…
I said nothing about “hurt feelings”!

You’re a big girl…If you were misquoted correct it and move on.

I am anti-adding to Scripture with ZERO evidence that it is inspired by God. You can be anti-Catholic interpretation of Scripture all you want. I don't care. But you clearly are not anti-adding to Scripture with ZERO evidence that the "additional Scripture" was inspired by God.

Stop speaking for me! I did not say that…I don’t read or study any denominations companion books to comment….AS YOU are FALSELY speaking FOR ME…..while you complain about others doing that to YOU!

You keep wanting a COMMENT…the only basis I have TO Consider making a COMMENT….is based on your claims…and I don’t find your claims worthy to trust…so boo hoo…I will not respond to your silly questions. My choice…too bad if you do not like it.

 

[Marymog]

Don’t flatter yourself or speak for me…
I said nothing about “hurt feelings”!

You’re a big girl…If you were misquoted correct it and move on.


Stop speaking for me! I did not say that…I don’t read or study any denominations companion books to comment….AS YOU are FALSELY speaking FOR ME…..while you complain about others doing that to YOU!

You keep wanting a COMMENT…the only basis I have TO Consider making a COMMENT….is based on your claims…and I don’t find your claims worthy to trust…so boo hoo…I will not respond to your silly questions. My choice…too bad if you do not like it.

Got it. Thank you for dismissing me........typical male.

DO NOT CONTACT ME EVER AGAIN unless it is in your official capacity.

 

[RedFan]

Nope, you can't support gay marriage (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 along with MANY other passages) and still be a Christian since supporting gay marriage supports a sin. And since abortion is murder.....well, you already know that COMMANDMENT.

Thanks for your opinion though.

Christians can sin. And when they do, they don't cease being Christians.

Christians can misunderstand or misinterpret Scripture. And when they do, they don't cease being Christians.

Christians can define murder differently. And when they define it not to include terminating a pregnancy, they don't cease being Christians.

 

[Marymog]

Christians can sin. And when they do, they don't cease being Christians.

Christians can misunderstand or misinterpret Scripture. And when they do, they don't cease being Christians.

Christians can define murder differently. And when they define it not to include terminating a pregnancy, they don't cease being Christians.

Redfan,

You, at times, have some amazing posts that make me rethink what I think/believe. I am going to address your 3 statements with my thoughts and references to Scripture (of which you failed to do) to back them up.

Yes, Christians do sin. But when they don't ask for forgiveness of those sins, they are not adhering to Scripture. If one does not adhere to Scripture, they won't be cleansed (1 John 1:9). If one REFUSES to adhere to Scripture, they are no longer Christ like.

Yes, Christians can misunderstand or misinterpret Scripture. If they have never been given the Truth, they are guiltless. Once they have been given the Truth and they reject it, they are no longer guiltless.

Abortion is murder. Plain and simple. No holds bar. I knew you before you were born = you are a child of God before you were born. Anyone that ignores that and still aborts a human fetus is guilty of murdering someone who God knew before they were born. No sugar coating it. No grace, without confession, of the sin. PERIOID. The earliest Christian writings, the Didache (which was written in NT times), makes this clear. It has only been in the last several years that "Christians" have made an exception for abortion saying it isn't murder. Based on your provocative statement it appears to me that you are possibly pro-choice. But I also know that you are provocative on matters that you have a clear stance on, so I don't really know if you are pro-abortion or pro-life.

Respectfully, Mary

 

[RedFan]

Redfan,

You, at times, have some amazing posts that make me rethink what I think/believe. I am going to address your 3 statements with my thoughts and references to Scripture (of which you failed to do) to back them up.

Yes, Christians do sin. But when they don't ask for forgiveness of those sins, they are not adhering to Scripture. If one does not adhere to Scripture, they won't be cleansed (1 John 1:9). If one REFUSES to adhere to Scripture, they are no longer Christ like.

Yes, Christians can misunderstand or misinterpret Scripture. If they have never been given the Truth, they are guiltless. Once they have been given the Truth and they reject it, they are no longer guiltless.

Abortion is murder. Plain and simple. No holds bar. I knew you before you were born = you are a child of God before you were born. Anyone that ignores that and still aborts a human fetus is guilty of murdering someone who God knew before they were born. No sugar coating it. No grace, without confession, of the sin. PERIOID. The earliest Christian writings, the Didache (which was written in NT times), makes this clear. It has only been in the last several years that "Christians" have made an exception for abortion saying it isn't murder. Based on your provocative statement it appears to me that you are possibly pro-choice. But I also know that you are provocative on matters that you have a clear stance on, so I don't really know if you are pro-abortion or pro-life.

Respectfully, Mary

I'm pro life.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Hi @th1b.taylor , I'm a "Mormon". Would you like to talk about my relationship with my Savior, Jesus Christ, the Son of God?

Just an option. If you'd rather not and just leave your statement as is, I totally respect that.

The teaching of Joseph Smith does not supersede the instruction of the Scriptures, and considering the truth that there is not a New Testament but instead one more Renewal of the Holy Testament, Joe's teachings in the Book of Mormon cannot be true.

We have the Dead Sea Scrolls to check the Old Testament writings against, but the claimed original inspiration for the Book of Mormon can not be found in this world. And if the BOM's writings are compared against those of the Bible, one of them lies. I know Yehovah never lies, and being indwelt by the Ruah, I knew the Holy Scriptures were true before I understood the implications the Dead Sea Scrolls impart.

Since Ruah, a.k.a. the Holy Spirit, gives me life instruction from the Scriptures, I know this is all Yehovah has to say to us since the passing of Paul and the Disciples. Add one thousand, eight hundred and thirty years, more or less and Joe dreams up a never-seen sheet of gold with instructions inscribed that contradict the known Scriptures from the Elohim that never changes His mind, and we should believe this never-found text?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

The teaching of Joseph Smith does not supersede the instruction of the Scriptures, and considering the truth that there is not a New Testament but instead one more Renewal of the Holy Testament, Joe's teachings in the Book of Mormon cannot be true.

We have the Dead Sea Scrolls to check the Old Testament writings against, but the claimed original inspiration for the Book of Mormon can not be found in this world. And if the BOM's writings are compared against those of the Bible, one of them lies. I know Yehovah never lies, and being indwelt by the Ruah, I knew the Holy Scriptures were true before I understood the implications the Dead Sea Scrolls impart.

Since Ruah, a.k.a. the Holy Spirit, gives me life instruction from the Scriptures, I know this is all Yehovah has to say to us since the passing of Paul and the Disciples. Add one thousand, eight hundred and thirty years, more or less and Joe dreams up a never-seen sheet of gold with instructions inscribed that contradict the known Scriptures from the Elohim that never changes His mind, and we should believe this never-found text?

Jesus Christ alone is my Savior and Salvation. No one else. I believe in the Gospel due to witness from the Holy Spirit.

Have a great day.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Jesus Christ alone is my Savior and Salvation. No one else. I believe in the Gospel due to witness from the Holy Spirit.

Have a great day.

I never doubted there were some saved in the Mormon Church but the teachings of Joseph Smith are not biblical and the LDS/Mormon Church is not a Christian gathering. I have two nephews who have left the LDS because the teachings do not align with the scriptures. I have had Mormon friends, now dead, and in our discussions, they lived according to the Book of Mormon and not the scriptures. And when I mention the scriptures I mean from Gen. 1:1 through the last Amen of the Revelation that ends Yehovah's teachings for us.

 

[Pyreaux]

The teaching of Joseph Smith does not supersede the instruction of the Scriptures, and considering the truth that there is not a New Testament but instead one more Renewal of the Holy Testament, Joe's teachings in the Book of Mormon cannot be true.

We have the Dead Sea Scrolls to check the Old Testament writings against, but the claimed original inspiration for the Book of Mormon can not be found in this world. And if the BOM's writings are compared against those of the Bible, one of them lies. I know Yehovah never lies, and being indwelt by the Ruah, I knew the Holy Scriptures were true before I understood the implications the Dead Sea Scrolls impart.

Since Ruah, a.k.a. the Holy Spirit, gives me life instruction from the Scriptures, I know this is all Yehovah has to say to us since the passing of Paul and the Disciples. Add one thousand, eight hundred and thirty years, more or less and Joe dreams up a never-seen sheet of gold with instructions inscribed that contradict the known Scriptures from the Elohim that never changes His mind, and we should believe this never-found text?

Living oracles, if real, do supersede scripture, as oracles are the source of all scripture. They can add more books, in fact, no one but an oracle may even interpret the scripture in order to determine if a superseding of scripture has even occurred.

Why exactly do you expect for the Dead Sea Scrolls, in Qumran, to contain writings from ancient America which the Book of Mormon represents? Do you believe there was pre-Columbian trans-oceanic diffusionism at Qumran; or do you not know what you are saying?

The one thing the Dead Sea Scrolls prove is that Sola Scriptura is false, the foundation of Protestant scholarship is false where it is based on a once-unprovable assumption that every book in the Bible is older than books left outside of it, and that every word in the Bible is exactly as it was when Jesus read them. We know that isn't the case. There are books just as old as these other books, you simply didn't know about them. Yahweh explicitly changes his mind in the Bible, from how long a king will live, to destroying Israel and Ninevah. God is not unchanging in that way, nor impassible as that is a Greek pagan idea.

 

[Triumph1300]

Re: Joe's teachings in the Book of Mormon cannot be true.
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That' true.
And a lot of teaching in the Christian Churches today is not true.
Specially the "name and claim prosperity crowd".

And what about the "mormons" who spend more time in The King James Bible version and hardly look at the book of mormon? I know a few of them.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Living oracles, if real, do supersede scripture, as oracles are the source of all scripture. They can add more books, in fact, no one but an oracle may even interpret the scripture in order to determine if a superseding of scripture has even occurred.

Why exactly do you expect for the Dead Sea Scrolls, in Qumran, to contain writings from ancient America which the Book of Mormon represents? Do you believe there was pre-Columbian trans-oceanic diffusionism at Qumran; or do you not know what you are saying?

The one thing the Dead Sea Scrolls prove is that Sola Scriptura is false, the foundation of Protestant scholarship is false where it is based on a once-unprovable assumption that every book in the Bible is older than books left outside of it, and that every word in the Bible is exactly as it was when Jesus read them. We know that isn't the case. There are books just as old as these other books, you simply didn't know about them. Yahweh explicitly changes his mind in the Bible, from how long a king will live, to destroying Israel and Ninevah. God is not unchanging in that way, nor impassible as that is a Greek pagan idea.

Not worthy of reply.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Re: Joe's teachings in the Book of Mormon cannot be true.
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That' true.
And a lot of teaching in the Christian Churches today is not true.
Specially the "name and claim prosperity crowd".

And what about the "mormons" who spend more time in The King James Bible version and hardly look at the book of mormon? I know a few of them.

I do also and think there must be saved persons in their midst.

 

[Pyreaux]

Not worthy of reply.

That's called posturing, because you have no good reply. The Dead Sea Scrolls, some texts from 200 BC, show that the Hebrew in the Modern Theology Old Testament in our Bibles that came from the Masora (Traditional) text, given to St. Jerome to make the Latin Vulgate, had been altered by the Masoretic Jews after 70 AD, (in the destruction of Jerusalem and ascendancy of Christian) removing details and references to the Messiah's coming and the Sons of God, with a clear agenda to de-legitimize Christianity. That should be great news for all Christians, but bad news for anyone teaching the Bible is complete or inerrant

Book of Enoch was in the Dead Sea Scrolls, it was commonly referred to throughout the New Testament, the Jews lied to us and burned all the Hebrew copies. Now the only argument for the Bible being complete is just a hollow argument from providence, you are just born so special, God preserved your Bible by chance and not any other Bibles, like the Ethiopian Bible which has the Book of Enoch. The reason Enoch is not in your Bible was not the will of God, it was the will of man, of anti-Christian propagandists Jews. They likely hated the all the angels and a preincarnate Jesus-like character call "the Son of Man" in it.