Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

[Wrangler]

Do you ever get tired of winning debates with me?

No. Not at all.

 

[Wrangler]

Having a one-on-one relationship with Christ has NOTHING to do with what the debate is.

ROFLMAO.

Mary, you continue to amaze. The idea that there is this group of people who have a one-on-one relationship with Christ but are not Christians is hysterical.

 

[Taken]

Taken, go back and read what I have written and get back with me so we can have an honest discussion.

No, not necessary. I have been honest with you.

A "side book" is not the same as the Book of Mormons. If you can't comprehend that then there is no reason for us to further debate this.

Good grief Mary….side book, companion book same same thing…

Mormons used the BIBLE AND the Book of Mormons….

Catholics used the BIBLE AND the Catechism….

So what?

Having a one-on-one relationship with Christ has NOTHING to do with what the debate is.

Correct….so what is the point of the “DEBATE” if …. Mormons are Christian’s …. ?
Individuals who worship Christ….regardless if they call themselves Mormons….Catholics….Protestant’s….Baptist’s….Jehovah’s Witness….Are Christian’s!

 

[Marymog]

Mary: this has nothing to do with being a Christian. Catholics openly don't believe in sola biblia.

Jane,

I don't know if you are unaware what your denomination teaches OR you are just too embarrassed to answer my very simple question. So, I will answer it for you using the words of your "official website":

The Book of Mormon is a sacred record that Mormons, or Latter-day Saints, consider to be scripture in addition to the Bible (see Bible and Book of Mormon). Just like God spoke to Moses and Noah in the Bible, He also spake to people in the Americas. These men wrote down God’s word. Their writings were eventually gathered into one book, the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ. Both the Bible and the Book of Mormon testify of Jesus Christ and teach His gospel. By studying both the Book of Mormon and the Bible, you can get a better understanding of who God is and what He wants for you. Together, the books contain thousands of years of inspiration, guidance, and instruction. Though they were written a long time ago, you can still find lessons that apply to you today.

I would think that you would PREACH FROM THE MOUNTAIN TOPS with complete confidence what your men have taught you. But instead you duck and dodge and answer a very simple question with a question.

Here is the deal: You and @Taken and @Wrangler have professed that Mormons are Christian since they say they are; even though they have added to Christian Scripture. They have added to the rules of which Christians are REQUIRED to adhere to. Using my previous analogy a tennis player is not a tennis player if he adds football rules to the rules of tennis. A Christian is not a Christian if they clearly practice against the sound doctrines and commandments taught in Scripture. One can not say they are a Christian if the say stealing and murder are OK but I ALWAYS honor my father and mother and have NEVER coveted my neighbors goods.

With that said, if Taken and Wrangler truly believe that the Mormons have ADDITIONAL Scripture that is "another testament of Jesus" then LOGICALLY you should be Mormon if you are, as you say, a follower of Christ. And if you don't believe that the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus then you shouldn't become Mormons. Since neither of you are Mormons then you must not believe that it is ANOTHER testament of Christ and that it is NOT Scripture.

So you are WRONG when you say it has nothing to do with being Christian! It has everything with being Christian OR Mormon since Mormons have ADDITIONAL Scripture.

Keeping it real with the facts..........Mary

 

[Marymog]

I have been honest with you.

Wow......you are a changed man all of a sudden.

 

[Marymog]

Good grief Mary….side book, companion book same same thing…

Mormons used the BIBLE AND the Book of Mormons….

Catholics used the BIBLE AND the Catechism….

So what?

Nope! That is a complete lie or complete ignorance. I'm going with ignorance.

The Mormons consider the Book of Mormons as Scripture. We do not consider the Catechism as Scripture.

Funny....a Protestant telling a Catholic what the Catholic Church teaches

 

[Marymog]

ROFLMAO.

Mary, you continue to amaze. The idea that there is this group of people who have a one-on-one relationship with Christ but are not Christians is hysterical.

And you continue to amaze me. Where did I say that people who have a one-on-one relationship with Christ but are not Christians is hysterical.

Quote me where I said that.........(I will save you time, you won't find it)

I know...I know.....that's how YOU took it and so you use what you THINK I said as another attack on marymog....Good job

 

[Marymog]

You must have missed this part.

Joseph Smith is a Christian martyr in a country founded on religious liberty. No other religious leader can say that.

Nope, didn't miss it.

Joseph Smith being on someone's favorite list has NOTHING to do with the Book of Mormons allegedly being inspired Scripture. But you want to create a diversion.....of which you accuse me of doing. You do love your Diversions.

You crack me up.....

 

[Taken]

Wow......you are a changed man all of a sudden.

You are same ‘ole Mary….

 

[Marymog]

There you go again, trying to make this personal. It doesn’t matter what I believe.

What matters is that LDS believe it.

I agree with you. It doesn't matter what you believe. FINALLY, we agree.

I agree with you again! It matters to THEM that they believe they are Christian. But that is not what we are talking debating....Is it.

I already know the answer to the question I asked you that you have ONCE AGAIN dodged and refuse to answer. You do not believe that Joseph Smith was inspired by God to add to NT Scripture. The evidence you ask? You are not Mormon.....

Mary

 

[Taken]

Nope! That is a complete lie or complete ignorance. I'm going with ignorance.

The Mormons consider the Book of Mormons as Scripture. We do not consider the Catechism as Scripture.

Funny....a Protestant telling a Catholic what the Catholic Church teaches

Do you have quotes of Scripture in your Catechism?

uh ya….so what….don’t much care what you or Mormons “consider” their companion books to be….

Petty point….same ‘ole Mary…except that…
I doubt Catholics who wrote and re-write updated versions of your Catechism consult you or that Mormons consulted you as to what you think about “religious” companion books…

 

[Marymog]

Joseph Smith is a Christian martyr in a country founded on religious liberty. No other religious leader can say that.

Joseph Smith was a brave Christian man who made a claim that no one could verify, and he was one of many Christian martyrs in a country founded on religious liberty.

The Magnificent Eight: the North American Martyrs

Eight missionaries, sent to proclaim the Gospel to the Huron people in North America, suffered terrible martyrdom at the hands of the Iroquois. We celebrate them on Oct. 19. Here, in brief, is the story of St. John de Brebeuf, St. Isaac Jogues, and their companions.

www.thedivinemercy.org

Martyrdom and Religion in North America

"Martyrdom and Religion in North America" published on by Oxford University Press.

oxfordre.com

Keeping it real with historical facts.........Mary

 

[Taken]

What is “almost comical” is Mary does not see the hypocrisy in her anti-Book of Mormon stance….

 

[Marymog]

Do you have quotes of Scripture in your Catechism?

uh ya….so what….don’t much care what you or Mormons “consider” their companion books to be….

Petty point….same ‘ole Mary…except that…
I doubt Catholics who wrote and re-write updated versions of your Catechism consult you or that Mormons consulted you as to what you think about “religious” companion books…

I was right. Ignorance.

Yes, there are quotes from Scripture in the Catechism. It's not Scripture quoting Scripture. Soooooooo What's your point?

The FACT is Mormons consider the Book of Mormons to be on par with the NT. Do you? (I know you are not going to answer but I love to see you squirm)

 

[Marymog]

What is “almost comical” is Mary does not see the hypocrisy in her anti-Book of Mormon stance….

I am not anti-Book of Mormon. The Mormons can write any book they want. There is no evidence that it is on par with NT Scripture like they believe it is. Do you believe it is on par with NT Scripture?

What book has The Church written that they consider on par with NT Scripture? Hint, there is none but your ignorance of, Christian history, The Church and blind hatred for it won't let you see that OR apologize!

I already know you are not going to answer........which is VERY comical.

 

[Marymog]

You are same ‘ole Mary….

I am! And you are also the same.......Your point?

Oh wait....there is none.

The same ole' Mary believes that the Book of Mormons is not on par with the NT. Do you believe it is?

I have a feeling I will be saying 'same ole' Taken'. Refuses to answer.

 

[Marymog]

No. Not at all.

I am not sure why you would want to present a PUBLIC lie to other members on this forum to make them believe I wrote that. Your character shines through........

I respectfully request ask that you delete your lie and apologize. I suspect if someone changes a quote of another member that it is a violation of board rules @Taken @Angelina?

Mary

 

[Raccoon1010]

Drop your opinions on whether you think Mormons (Latter Day Saints) are Christian or not and why, please keep all debating friendly, thought it would be a fun topic to start and I'm a little in between on the topic and I'd like to hear Christian viewpoints on the matter as Mormons do believe they are Christians.

That is a complex question. LDS church has various what they consider to be "latter day revelations". Some counter new testament statements on marriage in heaven and perhaps other areas which include biblical direction for alcohol use in misery and age related illnesses. I will be clear in that I do not direct others regarding alcohol use as a child of God.

When I was in that church I heard various doctrines from members that appeared dangerous if I attempted to believe those directions from them. It would then enter into my heart from my mind and I did not want to accept some ideas presented.

LDS Mormons have what is called a "non-paid clergy". From what I experienced as a Mormon they do call teachers from the member areas which may have limited knowledge and study of the old and new testament. They also have what is called "the book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants". I found the discussion regarding worshiping martyrs to be problematic in nature and perhaps one of them was Joseph Smith. He did not have a pleasant ending to his life, which is sad. Martyr glorification by churches also happens in the Catholic church. I adhered to The Father, Son and Holy Ghost as my God of worship. I don't honestly know if people put martyrs above themselves. I do know that in the bible I have read encounters of people with Angels sent by God and they fall down as dead to worship them. The angel I read about told them to stand and not worship them, but directed them to worship God. There are problems with false gods and idols of worship in the bible old testament. And having a false god may tempt God and is said that he would be jealous. And I certainly would believe that. So I desire only the Father, Son and Holy Ghost to be my God of worship. I have also had witness of Heavenly Mother and Angels and they were certainly wonderful and presented with Holy Spirit.

My journey thru the Mormon church was from childhood and not too active back then. I also became an active member and served for about 10 years. Thru that time and from the Mormon history that they all read about and enjoy as a culture, they sometimes introduce false doctrine that is not supported officially by the LDS church. I am not endorsing all of the doctrine of the LDS church that is officially supported either. I would have to look at each doctrinal position and ask God on the matter whether it is true or false.

I did enjoy Baptism in the Mormon Church as a child and also the confirmation of the Holy Ghost thru the laying on of hands and later taking the bread and wine of the new covenant with Christ our Lord. Those were certainly presented well to me.

I hope those statements help. :)

 

[Taken]

I was right. Ignorance.

I was right. You haven’t changed…

Yes, there are quotes from Scripture in the Catechism. It's not Scripture quoting Scripture. Soooooooo What's your point?

There are umpteen BOOKS….full of quotes of Scripture….full of translations in to “modern” revised language….all being called BIBLES…

Soooooooooo (using a nonsense word YOU apparently understand)…I don’t care that…“so-called” modern translations …. Leaving out words, adding words….are called “Bibles”….nor care what Mormons “regard” their “companion” book AS……or what Catholics “regard” “THEIR” companion book AS….
Mormons want to hold a High “regard” for THEIR companion book….so what?
Catholics do also….using their companion book as a “PRIME teaching tool for Understanding” as they are TOLD to understand….

The FACT is Mormons consider the Book of Mormons to be on par with the NT. Do you? (I know you are not going to answer but I love to see you squirm)

Do you need a q-tip? I am neither a Catholic nor Mormon member or spending my time with delving in to either denominations Companion books…

And while you think I am squirming….I am having a chuckle….BECAUSE Understanding According to Gods Understanding is NOT TAUGHT….it is a Gift from God Given to whom it pleases Him!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

So you are WRONG when you say it has nothing to do with being Christian! It has everything with being Christian OR Mormon since Mormons have ADDITIONAL Scripture.

Keeping it real with the facts..........Mary

Mary, I can't remotely take a Catholic arguing pro-sola scriptura as a requirement to be "Christian" seriously. This is beyond silly.