The absurdity of Pretrib logic

[WPM]

“Ushers in”…..How convenient you can skip over …. Over a 1,000 years …. Prophecy and Make a tidy conclusion in a one liner….
Sort of makes ALL the express detailed Scriptures that expressly applies to every individual….irrelevant.

As usual: you are forcing 1000 years into Scripture where it does not exist. But you dare not quote it or others would detect your deceit. Do you not realize that God forbids that? Adding onto Scripture is sinful. Do you not have any conviction about that?

Paul confirms the finality of the return of Jesus, in 1 Corinthians 15:22-24, stating, “as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming [Gr. parousia]. Then cometh the end [Gr. telos], when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.”

Please note the careful correlation between the parousia and the telos. This is a truth that is found throughout the New Testament. They are synonymous with each other. In fact, there are numerous predictions and prophecies in the sacred text that point towards the end of the world coinciding with the coming of Christ.

There is absolutely nothing that Premillennialists can do with such a clear and climactic passage like 1 Corinthians 15:22-24 apart from deny the obvious or add unto Scripture by inserting “a thousand years” in-between the coming (parousia) of Christ and the end (telos) where it does not belong. This is the dilemma for Premil throughout the Word. They are fighting the obvious.

The Greek simply reads:

Christos – Christ
en – at
autos – His
parousia – coming
eita – then
telos – the end

The coming of the Lord is shown to be the end of the world. There is no gap of time in-between the coming of Christ, the resurrection and the end. They all belong to the one final climactic overall event.

The phrase “he shall have delivered up” comes from the single Greek word paradidomi meaning surrender, yield up, intrust, or transmit. This is what happens to the kingdom when Christ comes. He surrenders it to His Father, He yields it up.

 

[IndianaRob]

Confirmed by Eccl 9:5 The dead know nothing.......
Paul does say; Our citizenship is kept in heaven.... but that does not mean we go to live there. Only after the Millennium, will all the dead since Adam be brought before God to face Judgment.
THEN, if your name is found in the Book of Life, you will receive immortality and will live in the new heavens and earth. Revelation 21 to 22.

Do we as believers have eternal life right now?

 

[WPM]

Glorious And Comforting to be SECURE “IN” Christ and He “IN” me…

VERY ODD…HOW…
God DID NOT CAUSE His tribulations and wrath to come UPON faithful Noah and his Family…

VERY ODD…HOW..
God DID NOT CAUSE Jesus to be Beaten, dragged, humiliated, tortured…

VERY ODD….HOW…
Some men think God HAS NOT an ESCAPE and DELIVERY PLAN for His FAITHFUL during Gods NEXT Tribulation and Wrath He shall send down from Heaven upon the whole world.

Astounding.

That is because God always rescues all His elect and destroys all the wicked when He pours out His final wrath. Hello! That is what happens at the end. There's no space for your imaginary seven year tribulation. There is no space for your imaginary future thousand years.

 

[WPM]

I have already stated my Standing and Verified my Standing with Scriptural verification….ONCE was sufficient…IF you missed it …. YOU back track through the threads on this topic….

Mean-time YOUR squirming and avoidance to Present your own Standing, but rather do like some politico big wigs do….and ACCUSE others of what you do….is entertaining…but irrelevant.

Your posts are impossible to decipher. They consist of your own personal ramblings. I hope you understand them, because they are unintelligible to the rest of us. Not surprisingly, they are devoid of actual Scripture. They, therefore, mean nothing.

 

[The Light]

You guys have long lost the battle. This is all you have now to bring to the table. Not one of you has a single proof-text that you're willing to quote and dissect. That is because it does not exist.

I think you are unable to realize there is not the slightest chance your doctrine agrees with scripture.

You can't even post a scripture in revelation that shows a rapture happening when you believe.

 

[WPM]

I think you are unable to realize there is not the slightest chance your doctrine agrees with scripture.

The Op (that Pretribbers avoid like the plague) exposes your Jesuit teaching.

You can't even post a scripture in revelation that shows a rapture happening when you believe.

You are a habitual liar. I have addressed this in detail and you have avoided it. You have to! It exposes your error.

 

[Taken]

As usual: you are forcing 1000 years into Scripture where it does not exist.

Your nonsense is noted.

rev 20:
…they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[WPM]

Your nonsense is noted.

rev 20:
…they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Where else is this taught in the rest of the Bible? Nowhere! The Premillennial opinion of Revelation 20 is therefore negated. It is non-corroborated. Repeated Scripture depicts the one final future coming of the Lord as climatic. It is the end. It is the end of the world! We are obviously looking at symbolic numbers, symbols, OT names, and entities that depict the battle going on in the invisible realm between light and darkness. A thousand is used through the Scripture and throughout history an indefinite figurative amount.

 

[Taken]

Your posts are impossible to decipher. They consist of your own personal ramblings. I hope you understand them, because they are unintelligible to the rest of us. Not surprisingly, they are devoid of actual Scripture. They, therefore, mean nothing.

“…us” is subjective.
You along with some do not UNDERSTAND what I say….because it parallels Scripture you do not UNDERSTAND what it MEANS.

There are an “us” who as I do, fully UNDERSTAND what I say.

It’s called NOT LEANING on our Own Understanding, as you do….and Rather Learning and Leaning on Gods Understanding as I have said multiple times, ONLY God gives HIS UNDERSTANDING of HIS OWN Word!

I see your contentment continues in finger pointing at me….
INSTEAD of revealing your OwN StANDING and verifying Scriptures.

Surprising…eh…not.

 

[WPM]

“…us” is subjective.
You along with some do not UNDERSTAND what I say….because it parallels Scripture you do not UNDERSTAND what it MEANS.

There are an “us” who as I do, fully UNDERSTAND what I say.

It’s called NOT LEANING on our Own Understanding, as you do….and Rather Learning and Leaning on Gods Understanding as I have said multiple times, ONLY God gives HIS UNDERSTANDING of HIS OWN Word!

I see your contentment continues in finger pointing at me….
INSTEAD of revealing your OwN StANDING and verifying Scriptures.

Surprising…eh…not.

More ramblings and zero Scripture.

 

[Super Kal]

How does Acts 13:36 prove David still sleeps in his grave?

Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:

Based on the verse alone, it says that he saw corruption, it does not say that he put on incorruption, like 1 Corinthians 15:52-53 says:

52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Paul says this happens at the last trumpet, and the day that David died was not the last trumpet. Furthermore, Acts 2:34-35 says that the king David has not ascended into heaven:

34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’

And as I said earlier, John 3:13 says that no man has ascended into heaven except Jesus Christ. There is no first resurrection before the first resurrection.

 

[Taken]

Where else is this taught in the rest of the Bible? Nowhere! The Premillennial opinion of Revelation 20 is therefore negated. It is non-corroborated. Repeated Scripture depicts the one final future coming of the Lord as climatic. It is the end. It is the end of the world! We are obviously looking at symbolic numbers, symbols, OT names, and entities that depict the battle going on in the invisible realm between light and darkness. A thousand is used through the Scripture and throughout history an indefinite figurative amount.

Don’t FRET…you want to be ON EARTH during Gods sending of His Tribulations and Wrath upon the Whole of the Earth….

Remember God is Just and Faithful to give each mans his Hearts Desire!!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

More ramblings and zero Scripture.

Be less of a sniffing whiney baby, lazy person and more like a Berean accounted noble for searching the scriptures regarding what they were told. Acts 17: 10-11

 

[Super Kal]

The entirety of the ante-Nicene church was premillennial... even Eusebeus, who was one of the first church historians, even though he thought premillennialism to be a heresy, admitted that the entirety of the church before 325 AD, taught premillennialism

 

[Taken]

Where else is this taught in the rest of the Bible? Nowhere! The Premillennial opinion of Revelation 20 is therefore negated. It is non-corroborated.

Regarding Christ 1,000 years reign is revealed no less than SIX times in SIX different passages of SCRIPTURE…

Rev 20:
[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Thanks for revealing YOUR POV that your understanding TRUMPS Gods EXPRESS approved revelations. FAIL!

 

[Taken]

The entirety of the ante-Nicene church was premillennial... even Eusebeus, who was one of the first church historians, even though he thought premillennialism to be a heresy, admitted that the entirety of the church before 325 AD, taught premillennialism

Since you appear to have studied Eusebius’ extensive works and speak of his works with authority….perhaps you could QUOTE Eusebius claiming what you have claimed to be his belief…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[WPM]

Don’t FRET…you want to be ON EARTH during Gods sending of His Tribulations and Wrath upon the Whole of the Earth….

Remember God is Just and Faithful to give each mans his Hearts Desire!!

Glory to God,
Taken

The people of God have always been in tribulation, to whatever degree. That is nothing new. God's wrath is also continually upon the wicked. That is nothing new.

But, when it comes to the final climatic destruction poured out at Jesus' coming, Scripture shows that we are rescued before that, just like in Noah and Lot's day.

 

[Taken]

The absurdity of Pretrib logic

The absurdity of men AGAINST pretrib….
Pretending they qualified to announce PRETRIBBERS conclude their Belief regarding a Spiritual EVENT…on the basis of MINDFUL LOGIC….

Laughable on it’s face.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[WPM]

Regarding Christ 1,000 years reign is revealed no less than SIX times in SIX different passages of SCRIPTURE…

Rev 20:
[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Thanks for revealing YOUR POV that your understanding TRUMPS Gods EXPRESS approved revelations. FAIL!

It makes no difference to the fact it is a symbolic number located in the most symbolic location in the whole of the Bible. What is more, the phrase "a thousand" is used repeatedly throughout the Word of God to represent an indeterminate figure.

 

[WPM]

The absurdity of Pretrib logic

The absurdity of men AGAINST pretrib….
Pretending they qualified to announce PRETRIBBERS conclude their Belief regarding a Spiritual EVENT…on the basis of MINDFUL LOGIC….

Laughable on it’s face.

Glory to God,
Taken

Again, more faulty opinion and no Scripture. Your doctrine is extra-biblical! Your avoidance reinforces the Op.