The wine of God's wrath in the cup of His indignation

[tailgator]

So, within the most highly symbolic books in all of scripture, all the references to time periods should be interpreted literally? Do you see Daniel's 70 weeks as referring to 490 literal days, too?

A time,times and a half is easily identified as 1260 days to anyone who has paid attention to revelation.

A time=1
+Times=2
+A half a time=.5
---------------------------
=3.5


=1260 days.


Reference revelation 12
Revelation 12
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


The woman to flees into the wilderness for 1260 days

The woman flees into the wilderness for a time,times,and a half time.

1260 days is a time,times and a half and is the exact amount of time the beast is given in revelation 13 when it starts persecuting the saints.42 months on the Hebrew calendar.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

But I don't understand how you believe 3.5 years is thousands of years.

Daniel 12 says these things are fulfilled in a time,times and a half which according to scripture is 3.5 years.


You act like Jewish Christians have been imprisoned and killed for thousands of years.The tribulation of the the Jewish Christians is 42 months.That is all the time the beast is given to persecute them.

I believe 42 months represents 42 generations, just as it was 42 generations from Abraham to the birth of Jesus. I believe this pattern in time will repeat.

 

[ewq1938]

I believe 42 months represents 42 generations, just as it was 42 generations from Abraham to the birth of Jesus. I believe this pattern in time will repeat.

The 42 months from Rev is 42 literal months. There is nothing there at all to support it being 42 generations.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The 42 months from Rev is 42 literal months. There is nothing there at all to support it being 42 generations.

Once you understand the start point and the end point of the 42 then you’ll see it cannot possibly be a literal 42 months.

 

[tailgator]

I believe 42 months represents 42 generations, just as it was 42 generations from Abraham to the birth of Jesus. I believe this pattern in time will repeat.

Well,scripture shows that it is 1260 days .
There are 30 days in a month on the Hebrew calendar.42 months is 1260 days.
Equal to a time times and a half.

The same amount of time the Christian Jews are persecuted in Israel .After that 42 months persecution of the Christian Jews ,Christ comes and the saints recieve the kingdom of Israel.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

irst to the Jews….

Isaiah 51:17 "Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which has drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out."

Notice the passing of the cup….

Isaiah 51:22-23 "Thus saith thy Lord the Lord, and thy God that pleads the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again. But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over."

Significant to me is …how it closely speaks of the same as your topic ‘The wine of God's wrath in the cup of His indignation’
1 Corinthians 11:19-29 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. [20] When you come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. [21] For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. [22] What? have you not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise you the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. [23] For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: [24] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. [25] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do you, as oft as you drink it, in remembrance of me. [26] For as often as you eat this bread, and drink this cup, you do show the Lord's death till he come. [27] Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. [28] But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. [29] For he that eats and drinks unworthily(of the cup passed), eats and drinks damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Jeremiah 51:7 “Babylon has been a golden cup in the Lord’s hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.”

 

[MatthewG]

That wrath would be poured upon the 12 tribes of Israel concerning their disobedience; while a portion of those who were in that tribe were saved from the wrath which fell upon them in 70Ad. While I believe the entire lineage of the tribes were done in there, there was a few persons who were taken away into slavery of those who didnt die during the siege of Rome in Jerusalem.

 

[ewq1938]

Once you understand the start point and the end point of the 42 then you’ll see it cannot possibly be a literal 42 months.

It is 42 months according to Rev 13, and 11. It coincides with the literal 1260 days of the two witnesses.

 

[tailgator]

Once you understand the start point and the end point of the 42 then you’ll see it cannot possibly be a literal 42 months.

It is 42 months from the time the false prophet arrives in Israel to the time the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.
That is 42 months persecution for the christians in Israel .They are persecuted for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God


Wise teachers=Christians

Daniel 11:33-35
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

Daniel 12
One of them asked the man dressed in linen, who was now standing above the river, “How long will it be until these shocking events are over?”
The man dressed in linen, who was standing above the river, raised both his hands toward heaven and took a solemn oath by the One who lives forever, saying, “It will go on for a time, times, and half a time. When the shattering of the holy people has finally come to an end, all these things will have happened.”


A time,times and a half time=42 months=1260 days

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It is 42 months from the time the false prophet arrives in Israel to the time the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.
That is 42 months persecution for the christians in Israel .They are persecuted for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God


Wise teachers=Christians

Daniel 11:33-35
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

Daniel 12
One of them asked the man dressed in linen, who was now standing above the river, “How long will it be until these shocking events are over?”
The man dressed in linen, who was standing above the river, raised both his hands toward heaven and took a solemn oath by the One who lives forever, saying, “It will go on for a time, times, and half a time. When the shattering of the holy people has finally come to an end, all these things will have happened.”


A time,times and a half time=42 months=1260 days

“Many days” does not suggest a short period of time like 3.5 years.

Daniel 11:33
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

The saints/Jews have suffered persecution “many days” since the AOD was set up in 70 ad. and are still suffering to this day.

 

[tailgator]

“Many days” does not suggest a short period of time like 3.5 years.

Daniel 11:33
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

The saints/Jews have suffered persecution “many days” since the AOD was set up in 70 ad. and are still suffering to this day.

1260 days is many days when you are being imprisoned and killed for you testimony of Jesus.

The false prophet which is given to the beast in Daniel 11:31 only has a time ,times and a half till they are both cast into the lake of fire.

As I have pointed out already in revelation,A time,times and a half is 1260.days.


Daniel 12:6-7
One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”
The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”


The persecution of the christians in Daniel 11:33-35 by the beast after the host is given to him is 42 months.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

As I have pointed out already in revelation,A time,times and a half is 1260.days.


Daniel 12:6-7
One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”
The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”


The persecution of the christians in Daniel 11:33-35 by the beast after the host is given to him is 42 months.

A season and a time = a thousand years…

Daniel 7:12
As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

So a time, times, and a half a time suggest a longer period than a season and a time= 1,000 years.

 

[tailgator]

A season and a time = a thousand years…

Daniel 7:12
As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

So a time, times, and a half a time suggest a longer period than a season and a time= 1,000 years.

This isn't about the other beasts.This is about the tribulation of the saints of God before Jesus comes.
The saints are given into the hands of the beast for
A time
Times
And a half

That is three and a half years which is equal to 42 months.


Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.



The beast only has 42 months which is 1260 days or 3.5 years to persecute the saints in Israel.

The christians in Israel are not persecuted for thousands of years by the beast.Just 42 months.After the 42 months,the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.

 

[tailgator]

A season and a time = a thousand years…

Daniel 7:12
As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

So a time, times, and a half a time suggest a longer period than a season and a time= 1,000 years.

Daniel 7

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

A time,times and a half = 1260 days.

Revelation 12
6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

This isn't about the other beasts.This is about the tribulation of the saints of God before Jesus comes.
The saints are given into the hands of the beast for
A time
Times
And a half

That is three and a half years which is equal to 42 months.


Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.



The beast only has 42 months which is 1260 days or 3.5 years to persecute the saints in Israel.

The christians in Israel are not persecuted for thousands of years by the beast.Just 42 months.After the 42 months,the beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.

That only lasts 10 days…

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

 

[tailgator]

That only lasts 10 days…

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life

False

Daniel 7

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

A time,times and a half = 1260 days.

Revelation 12
6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

 

[tailgator]

That only lasts 10 days…

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

42 months



5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[tailgator]

That only lasts 10 days…

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

42 months

A month

Word: mhn

Pronounce: mane

Strongs Number: G3376

Orig: a primary word; a month:--month.

Use: TDNT-4:638,591 Noun Masculine

Heb Strong: H2320 H3391

1. 1) a month2) the time of the new moon, new moon (the first day of each month, when the new moon appeared was a festival among the Hebrews)

 

[tailgator]

That only lasts 10 days…

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Revelation 11;2-3
. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth


42 months=1260 days.

 

[tailgator]

This tribulation lasts for a time,times and a half=42 months=1260 days.


Mathew 24

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.