The wine of God's wrath in the cup of His indignation

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Stewardofthemystery

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It is written in Revelation 14:9-10 that those who worship the beast, and his image, and receive his mark; the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation.

So the cup represents God’s indignation, and the wine represents God’s wrath.

In the study on the 2 separate tribulation periods, I showed by scripture that the first tribulation was to the Jews, and the second tribulation is to the whole Gentile world, as Paul said in Romans 2:9.

This prophecy can also be proven in the passing of the wine cup of Gods wrath from Israel to the Gentiles who afflicted them.

First to the Jews….

Isaiah 51:17 "Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which has drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out."

Notice the passing of the cup….

Isaiah 51:22-23 "Thus saith thy Lord the Lord, and thy God that pleads the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again. But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over."

Then the cup goes to the Gentiles….

Psalm 75:8 "For in the hand of the Lord there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he pours out the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them."

Jeremiah 51:7 “Babylon has been a golden cup in the Lord’s hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.”

The wine of her fornication leads to the wrath of God.

Revelation 14:8 “And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

Revelation 17:2 “With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”

Revelation 18:3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.”

Revelation 16:19 “And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.”

God’s promise to His people….

Isaiah 54:7-10 7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. 8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer. 9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee. 10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.”​


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Mystery Babylon is the Mother of the harlots. Meaning she is the origin of this harlot mentality.

Here is a clue I think a lot of people miss when trying to understand this mystery…

Revelation 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Where is the place that ALL the blood of every one that has ever been slain is found?

Here it is…
Genesis 4:11
And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

It is this earth/ world that produces the harlot mentality.

Notice what James says…
James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Think about it. Peace
 

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We are shown many times in scripture, that after we are called out of the world by God; we are warned not to "turn back".

Jesus said in Luke 17:32-33 “Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.”

Jesus was talking about those who seek to preserve a certain "way of life" which is living to the lusts of the "flesh."

Let's look at another place where Jesus said the same here in Mark 8:35 "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it."

So it is giving up your own self serving "way of life" in this world in order to serve the Lord and the gospel's.

Notice what Paul says here in Romans 8:13 "For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live."

This putting to death "the deeds" of the body, or putting to death "sin" in our lives; this is what is meant by taking up your cross daily to follow the Lord Jesus.


We have to be willing to give up our own lusts and desires to follow Jesus and to follow the gospel teachings.

This "way of life" we are to lose, is the same "way of life" the world lusts after; and has pride in, which is called the pride of this life.

This is shown in 1 John 2:16" For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

So that is the "way of life" Jesus said we need to lose in order to preserve our life in Him.

But in the above Jesus also mentioned Lot's wife in Luke 17:32. So what is that about?

From Genesis 19: 17 “And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.”

Verse 26 “But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.”

Notice they were warned not to "look back". This is a sign of spiritual things to come.

Jesus said in Luke 9:62 “And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”

The children of Israel also "looked back" on all the good things they had left behind in Egypt and it angered the Lord.

Numbers 11 "And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the Lord burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp."
2 And the people cried unto Moses; and when Moses prayed unto the Lord, the fire was quenched.
3 And he called the name of the place Taberah: because the fire of the Lord burnt among them.
4 And the mixed multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?
5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick:
6 But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes."

The Lord gives us all these patterns and "signs" in scripture to teach us by repetition; that when we are called out of the world we are not to look back on our old lustful "ways of life."

But sadly we know by the words of God, that many would fall away from the faith, and return back to their old sinful and lustful ways.

So don’t look back to the things you left behind, but rather look ahead to the prize and the promises given by God. He is faithful who calls you out of "the ways" of this world, and shows us through Christ the new "Way" we must walk and live our lives in Him.

Be good and be blessed. Peace
 

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The Lord warned the children of Israel after He had brought them out of the bondage of Egypt into the new land that they were not to take up all the abominations of the surrounding nations of the world.

Deuteronomy 18:9
When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

But the children of Israel did not listen to the warning of the Lord, and they went and took up many of the beliefs, traditions, doctrines, ideologies and false idols and false religions of those nations. This is what caused the children of Israel to play the Harlot with those nations of the world.

Learn from their mistake! Do not take up “the ways of the world”. Come out of her my people and be not a partaker of her sins!
 

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The nations are told to stay away from her at the time of God's wrath.

Luke 21
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.


23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.




I hope I'm.able to take the trip there after the time of wrath has passed though.
 

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The nations are told to stay away from her at the time of God's wrath.

Luke 21
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.


23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.




I hope I'm.able to take the trip there after the time of wrath has passed though.
That prophecy is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad. Her time of warfare is nearly over.

Isaiah 40:2
Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

Next up the destruction of this wicked world.
 

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That prophecy is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad. Her time of warfare is nearly over.

Isaiah 40:2
Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

Next up the destruction of this wicked world.
Ohhh
You believe the people in the land of Israel who reject Christ are not wicked.

Luke 21
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.




Did Jesus come in the clouds and redeem the 144000 in 70 AD too?
What are these great signs in the heavens before they are redeemed?
 
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That prophecy is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad. Her time of warfare is nearly over.

Isaiah 40:2
Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

Next up the destruction of this wicked world.
Do you also say these things took.place in 70AD seeing they are part of the same prophecy?

Mark 13
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:

16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.

17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
 

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24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.




Did Jesus come in the clouds and redeem the 144000 in 70 AD too?
What are these great signs in the heavens before they are redeemed?
The Redeemer shall remove ungodliness from Jacob after the “times of the Gentiles is fulfilled”

Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTIL the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
 

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24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
“after that tribulation” refers to after the first tribulation “of those days,”which was first to the Jews. The signs in the sun moon and stars also confirms the “times of the Gentiles as being fulfilled”(6th seal signs)
 

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The Redeemer shall remove ungodliness from Jacob after the “times of the Gentiles is fulfilled”

Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTIL the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
The gentiles have not arrived to Jerusalem yet.
Those 42 months take place just before the coming of Christ in luke 21,Mathew 24,and mark 13.and revelation 11.

Revelation11
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
 

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“after that tribulation” refers to after the first tribulation “of those days,”which was first to the Jews. The signs in the sun moon and stars also confirms the “times of the Gentiles as being fulfilled”(6th seal signs)
After the tribulation is the tribulation that takes place before Christs coming.

The gentiles have not even arrived in Jerusalem yet. That is the last 42 months before Christ comes.
 

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The gentiles have not arrived to Jerusalem yet.
Those 42 months take place just before the coming of Christ in luke 21,Mathew 24,and mark 13.and revelation 11.

Revelation11
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
The time of 42 months is symbolic of time, like the 42 generations from Abraham to the birth of Jesus. This time clock started when the AOD was set up in 70 ad. And this first 1,260 day period ends at the fulness of the Gentiles, or at the 6th seal. But Christ does not return until the 1335 day mark. Blessed is he who makes it the the 1335 day mark.
 

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The time of 42 months is symbolic of time, like the 42 generations from Abraham to the birth of Jesus. This time clock started when the AOD was set up in 70 ad. And this first 1,260 day period ends at the fulness of the Gentiles, or at the 6th seal. But Christ does not return until the 1335 day mark. Blessed is he who makes it the the 1335 day mark.
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42 months is the amount of time the US armed forces occupy Israel before they are overcome.


Revelation 13
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.



You don't really understand anything about the gentiles that occupy Jerusalem.You believe all that is written was fulfilled in ,70 ad.
You have no idea what is to come.

Luke 21
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
 

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42 months is the amount of time the US armed forces occupy Israel before they are overcome.


Revelation 13
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.



You don't really understand anything about the gentiles that occupy Jerusalem.You believe all that is written was fulfilled in ,70 ad.
You have no idea what is to come.

Luke 21
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Where do you find the US armed forces in scripture?
 

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The Lord warned the children of Israel after He had brought them out of the bondage of Egypt into the new land that they were not to take up all the abominations of the surrounding nations of the world.

Deuteronomy 18:9
When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

But the children of Israel did not listen to the warning of the Lord, and they went and took up many of the beliefs, traditions, doctrines, ideologies and false idols and false religions of those nations. This is what caused the children of Israel to play the Harlot with those nations of the world.

Learn from their mistake! Do not take up “the ways of the world”. Come out of her my people and be not a partaker of her sins!
Paul said….
Galatians 6:14
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

We are called to be DEAD to sin and to be DEAD to the ways of the world.
 

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The Redeemer shall remove ungodliness from Jacob after the “times of the Gentiles is fulfilled”

Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTIL the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
He's already been removing ungodliness from many of the people of Jacob (many Jews) for almost 2,000 years. It's not about Him completely removing ungodliness from the entire nation of Israel, but rather about Him providing the way for ungodliness to be removed from the people of Israel.

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.....41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Acts 4:1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them, 2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead. 3 And they laid hands on them, and put them in hold unto the next day: for it was now eventide. 4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

As you can see, many Jews were saved soon after Christ's death and resurrection. As Peter said to the Jews: "Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.".

What more does Jesus need to do to remove ungodliness from Jacob besides what He has already done? When He said "It is finished" was He not being serious? Was there still unfinished work for Him to do? He can't do any more than dying for their sins as He did already long ago. It has been their choice ever since to accept or reject what He did for them.