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Hepzibah

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Sometimes you post things that make my heart leap with excitement, while at other times I find myself confused. Like the Bereans, I’ve looked up the word "theosis," and it is nowhere to be found in Scripture.

You use the term Trinity don't you. Found nowhere in the Bible.
However, the concept of participating in the divine nature is discussed in Scripture, particularly in 2 Peter 1:4: "That by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature." This passage suggests that through the fulfillment of promises, believers are intended to become partakers of the divine nature.

That by these ye might be partakers of the Divine nature; literally, that through these (promises, i.e., through their fulfillment) ye may become partakers. It is true that the verb is aorist (γένησθε), but it does not follow that, might be" is the right translation, or that the writer regarded the participation as having already taken place the children of light"). As Alford says, the aorist seems to imply "that the aim was not the procedure, but the completion, of that indicated; not the γίνεσθαι, the carrying on the process, but the γενέσθαι, its accomplishment." The end of God’s gift is the complete accomplishment of his gracious purpose, but it is only by continual growth that the Christian attains at length to that accomplishment. St. Peter’s words seem very bold; but they do not go beyond many other statements of Holy Scripture. At the beginning God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." St. Paul tells us that believers are now "changed into the same image from glory to glory" (2Co_3:18; comp. also 1Co_11:7; Eph_4:24; Col_3:10; Rom_8:29; 1Co_15:49, etc.). Christians, born of God (Joh_1:13; 1Pe_1:23), are made "partakers of Christ" (Heb_3:14), "partakers of the Holy Ghost" (Heb_6:4). Christ prayed for us that we might be "made perfect in one" with himself who is one with God the Father, through the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost the Comforter (Joh_17:20-23; Joh_14:16, Joh_14:17, Joh_14:23). The second person is used to imply that the promises made to all Christians (unto us) belong to those whom St. Peter now addresses.

Other references--
2 Peter 1:4:

2 Peter 1:4 (NKJV): "By which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."
This verse supports the idea that believers are intended to become partakers of the divine nature through God's promises.
Aorist Verb Usage:

The use of the aorist verb (γένησθε) in 2 Peter 1:4 indeed implies the idea of becoming or coming into a state. This supports the notion of an intended goal rather than an immediate or completed state. The aorist tense emphasizes the finality of the goal rather than the process.
Creation in God's Image:

Genesis 1:26 (NKJV): "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness...'"
This verse indicates the original intention for humanity to reflect God's image.
Transformation in Christ:

2 Corinthians 3:18 (NKJV): "But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord."
This reflects the ongoing process of transformation into Christ’s image.
Other Scripture References:

1 Corinthians 11:7, Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10, Romans 8:29, and 1 Corinthians 15:49 all speak to the theme of believers being conformed to the image of Christ or reflecting God’s attributes.
Partakers of Christ and the Holy Spirit:

Hebrews 3:14 (NKJV): "For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end."
Hebrews 6:4 (NKJV): "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit..."
Christ’s Prayer for Unity:

John 17:20-23 (NKJV): Jesus prays for believers to be one with Him and the Father.
John 14:16-17 (NKJV): Jesus promises the Holy Spirit, who will dwell with and in believers.

ISBE (Revised) entry under "Deity" - DEITY [Gk. tó theíon] (Acts 17:29+); AV GODHEAD; [theiótēs] (Ro. 1:20+); AV GODHEAD; [theótēs] (Col. 2:9+); AV, NEB GODHEAD. These three closely related Greek terms are descriptive of the basic nature of God. They seem to vary but slightly in connotation.

A. Tó Theíon. Tó theíon (theios) “the divine thing,” is derived from the adjective theíos, meaning “pertaining to God,” “divine” (2 Pet. 1:3f+). It signifies “God” in an impersonal sense. In Acts 17:29+, in Paul’s speech to Greek intellectuals on Mars Hill, the term tó theíon draws attention to the qualitative aspect of God. Paul demonstrates the Greeks’ shallow conception of God, seeking to heighten their receptivity to the revealed truth of the gospel of Christ. The term tó theíon was common in their discussions, being used to designate the deity apart from any reference to a particular god. Paul focuses attention upon that quality of “the divine” which distinguishes God from all else. English terms based on the word “divine,” however, are used too commonly and are therefore inadequate to set forth the connotation of tó theíon (see II. A, B below). The idea is more adequately represented by “the Deity,” so that an appropriate translation of Acts 17:29 might be: “It is inconceivable that ‘the Deity’ can be appropriately represented by the artistic talents of men working with mere earthly elements.”

B. Theiótēs The term theiotes is an abstract noun closely related to tó theíon, derived from the same adjective, theíos. It is commonly understood as a summary term for the attributes of deity. However, the term merely “defines” with regard to essence, signifying “the quality of the divine,” that character which makes God God, and sets Him apart as worthy of worship. The Greeks used the term of their deities. Later it was applied to men by the Roman imperial cult as a term for the divinity of imperial majesty. It is rarely used in later Jewish works and occurs in biblical literature only in Wisd. 18:9 and Ro 1:20+. The term is not as impersonal as tó theíon, but its abstractness does not lend a readily discernible distinction. Its meaning is approximated by “deity,” perhaps “divineness.”

In Ro. 1:20+ theiótēs is used of that nature of the Creator discernible to the mind by observation of the existing worlds. Verse 19 states, “For what can be known about God is plain to them, because he has shown it to them.” Verse 20 affirms that man’s mind is able to form a concept of the invisible nature of God by visual perception of the universe. The discernible features of His transcendent being (“his invisible nature”) are specifically His “eternal power” and “deity.” The universe displays the eternal power it took to bring the universe into existence; in addition it displays the divine character of the one who created it, i.e., His deity. Specific attributes are not in view in the term theiótēs, simply His quality of “Godness,” which depicts Him as worthy of worship. But men suppressed this truth in unrighteousness (v 18), and are without excuse, subject to the wrath of God revealed from heaven (v 20). They did not acknowledge “his deity” as it is discernible in the things He has created.

C. Theótēs - Theotes is a kindred term (to theiotes), but is distinctive in that it is derived from the word “God” (theós). On this basis it is the most personal of the three terms (to theion - Acts 17:29+, theiotes - Ro 1:20+, theotes - Col 2:9+), and is nearly a name. Whereas tó theíon marks “the quality of deity,” and theiótēs connotes “that which makes God God,” theótēs signifies “the being of God.” Theótēs apparently denotes the utmost idea of God. On heathen lips it could do no more than designate their highest concept of God, “The Supreme Being.” In Col. 2:9+ Paul uses theótēs in declaring that “the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily” in Christ. Although it conveys the idea of a “being,” the use of “Divine Being” here would impersonalize the total expression, “the whole fulness of the Divine Being.” The term “deity,” or even “the Deity,” is likewise impersonal; furthermore, the connotation “being” is lacking. A term that better preserves the personal and qualitative aspect of theótēs is “godhead” (see III below). The total expression “the whole fulness of the Godhead,” then, signifies the sum of all that enters into the conception of “Godhead,” God in nature, character, and being. All this dwells in Christ “bodily,” i.e., in such a manner as to be shown in a bodily organism. Cf. Jn. 14:9, where Philip’s request that Jesus show them the Father was met by the Lord’s response, “He who has seen me has seen the Father.”

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@Johann if you would like to make one or two points, I will consider answering, but not a whole wall as you have posted.
 

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The Bible says there is one baptism:

Eph 4:4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

As you say, as we lay our flesh on the altar, it is burned up and we are cleansed by the fire. When we first come to Christ, we really have no idea about the flesh and the journey we have just begun. It takes many trials for us to understand. Agree, the whole is significant. Prior to that we were offering bits and pieces, but then it has to be the whole of it.

Two river/sea crossings yes.
Separate in the sense that they are more often experienced or undergone at different points in people's lives, but in another sense they are all of one, one baptism.....all of Christ.
 

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You use the term Trinity don't you. Found nowhere in the Bible.
Honestly, I think words matter. I don't even like the term Trinity myself...not sure it is hitting the mark. It's a man-made term. I'm concerned that words like theosis and divinization have potential to form slightly off kilter understandings in the mind which can be a thin edge of a wedge to lead to even greater error. I'm a stickler who prefers to stick to the simplicity of Christ rather than use ecclesiastical terms - much prefer what the bible says about "walk in the spirit" and "you who are spiritual" because that is really what it is talking about....being and walking in the spirit (new man) as opposed to being and walking in the flesh (old man). Fancy names can lead to division between "haves" and "have nots" and be in the realm of the flesh/carnal mind itself rather then being apprehended and understood in spirit with the mind of Christ. It can lead to fleshly burdens/expectations, fleshly status symbols or ladder climbing, and even rote rituals and sacraments rather than a living and very personal growing and walking with the Lord. ( The best I can express this.) I think that is the principle of why Jesus said Ye shall know them by their fruits, not by a man-made name or title.
 
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Honestly, I think words matter. I don't even like the term Trinity myself...not sure it is hitting the mark. It's a man-made term. I'm concerned that words like theosis and divinization have potential to form slightly off kilter understandings in the mind which can be a thin edge of a wedge to lead to even greater error. I'm a stickler who prefers to stick to the simplicity of Christ rather than use ecclesiastical terms - much prefer what the bible says about "walk in the spirit" and "you who are spiritual" because that is really what it is talking about....being and walking in the spirit (new man) as opposed to being and walking in the flesh (old man). Fancy names can lead to division between "haves" and "have nots" and be in the realm of the flesh/carnal mind itself rather then being apprehended and understood in spirit with the mind of Christ. It can lead to fleshly burdens/expectations, fleshly status symbols or ladder climbing, and even rote rituals and sacraments rather than a living and very personal growing and walking with the Lord. ( The best I can express this.) I think that is the principle of why Jesus said Ye shall know them by their fruits, not by a man-made name or title.
So do you prefer entire sanctification which is scriptural?

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thess. 5:23
 
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Separate in the sense that they are more often experienced or undergone at different points in people's lives, but in another sense they are all of one, one baptism.....all of Christ.
Not sure I follow you here sister. There is surely one point of entry into Christ.
 

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So do you prefer entire sanctification which is scriptural?

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thess. 5:23
I like the word "wholly" actually....because it brings me back to the idea of a "whole burnt offering". lol. I know the Lord may use different scriptures to teach different people....but that is just what is still on my mind at the moment. (Process slowly these days. lol.) But actually that is an example of the bible illuminating and interpreting itself and another reason we should stick to bible words/terms as much as possible. But I think I would say entire sanctification and other terms can be used descriptively.....as opposed to forming the doctrine itself...?
 
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Honestly, I think words matter. I don't even like the term Trinity myself...not sure it is hitting the mark. It's a man-made term. I'm concerned that words like theosis and divinization have potential to form slightly off kilter understandings in the mind which can be a thin edge of a wedge to lead to even greater error. I'm a stickler who prefers to stick to the simplicity of Christ rather than use ecclesiastical terms - much prefer what the bible says about "walk in the spirit" and "you who are spiritual" because that is really what it is talking about....being and walking in the spirit (new man) as opposed to being and walking in the flesh (old man). Fancy names can lead to division between "haves" and "have nots" and be in the realm of the flesh/carnal mind itself rather then being apprehended and understood in spirit with the mind of Christ. It can lead to fleshly burdens/expectations, fleshly status symbols or ladder climbing, and even rote rituals and sacraments rather than a living and very personal growing and walking with the Lord. ( The best I can express this.) I think that is the principle of why Jesus said Ye shall know them by their fruits, not by a man-made name or title.
I have some great insights on the concept of theosis, and the Scripture reference on 1 Thess 5.23

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24: "Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The One who calls you is faithful, and He will do it."

However, this topic is pretty deep, and I know you prefer to keep things straightforward, so it might not be your style.
 
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Not sure I follow you here sister. There is surely one point of entry into Christ.
In the same sense that there is one God, but three persons as it were? And the Lord showed me one time that everything we receive or manifest after being saved flows out of what we already received at the first. It is the fountains of the deep springing up. Manifesting or unveiling what is already in us. Can't remember if I mentioned this already, but in the parable of the talents.....notice their increase was the exact same amount of the measure they had received at the first.
 
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I have some great insights on the concept of theosis, and the Scripture reference on 1 Thess 5.23

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24: "Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The One who calls you is faithful, and He will do it."

However, this topic is pretty deep, and I know you prefer to keep things straightforward, so it might not be your style.
Amen, it is deep...and I'm easily overwhelmed these days. God has to keep things simple for me and draw me a picture, lol. ;) That's pretty literal...word pictures of scripture!
 
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I have some great insights on the concept of theosis, and the Scripture reference on 1 Thess 5.23

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24: "Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The One who calls you is faithful, and He will do it."
This is one of those precious promises!

Much love!
 
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@marks would you break down that verse to show how you understand it. Paul is saying, is he not, that his hearers were not yet completely sanctified but he was praying for that which would be when? And what about the blameless?
 

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In the same sense that there is one God, but three persons as it were? And the Lord showed me one time that everything we receive or manifest after being saved flows out of what we already received at the first. It is the fountains of the deep springing up. Manifesting or unveiling what is already in us. Can't remember if I mentioned this already, but in the parable of the talents.....notice their increase was the exact same amount of the measure they had received at the first.
But that means because God is three in one, we can multiply everything by three?

I agree that everything was given to us from the cross and we have to appropriate it. But it is by faith so can be sprung up all together when we make our offering on the altar.
 
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@marks would you break down that verse to show how you understand it. Paul is saying, is he not, that his hearers were not yet completely sanctified but he was praying for that which would be when? And what about the blameless?
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Brother @marks maybe you can parse this for @Hepzibah?
 
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I don't want to go through the Greek @Johann . I want to know, in @marks words what he thinks it means. You know there are plenty of forums for Bible scholars out there arguing over Koine Greek. Amigo already complained to you yesterday.
 
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I don't want to go through the Greek @Johann . I want to know, in @marks words what he thinks it means. You know there are plenty of forums for Bible scholars out there arguing over Koine Greek. Amigo already complained to you yesterday.
I honestly don’t care if @amigo de christo is complaining about me—he seems to judge and criticize a lot. I don’t take your opinions seriously anymore, especially since the idea of theosis from the Early Church Fathers seems off, and there were plenty of disagreements among them. If you believe you are a god, that’s your choice.

I’m also looking forward to @marks providing a deeper explanation of this "one verse theology" you’re talking about.

Please don’t tag me in this discussion.

Thanks.