The absurdity of Pretrib logic

[Keraz]

Where does it say that "only those who have proved their faith will enter the Millennium"?

Jesus will Return when His enemies are made His footstool, meaning they are either dead or converted.

That is one of the many reasons why AMill is a crock.

 

[WPM]

Jesus will Return when His enemies are made His footstool, meaning they are either dead or converted.

That is one of the many reasons why AMill is a crock.

Stop avoiding the obvious. Where does it teach that in God's Book?

 

[The Light]

You have got to be joking. I was avoided in post #2588. You have obviously no rebuttal.

Oh boy. You cry more than anyone I have run across. Always crying that your posts are avoided. You cried that I avoided your long cut and paste post which I didn't and you have yet to respond to me on that as well as countless others. You spend more time trying to mislead people instead presenting the Word of God. 5 wise, 5 foolish.

 

[Keraz]

Stop avoiding the obvious. Where does in teach that in God's Book?

Hebrews 10:13 Not happened yet.
Plenty of the enemies of Jesus running around in history and now. AMill bites the dust!

 

[IndianaRob]

Why do you call Satan it? What do i think Satan is?

There are only two types of seed in this world, the seed that produces the natural man and the seed that produces the spiritual man (born again).

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

If the woman’s seed is the second born (born from above) then what is the serpents seed?

 

[MA2444]

So, you think that WPM will end up being cast "into a furnace of fire" where "there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth", which is where people like the foolish virgins who will say "Lord, Lord, open to us" will end up?

What WPM? Isnt that the question that we all have to ask ourselves?

2 Corinthians 4:1-4
1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.../KJV

 

[WPM]

5 wise, 5 foolish.

This vague statement above sums up the impotence of the Pretrib argument. What does this prove? Nothing. We all believe that there were 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins. But none of this proves Pretrib.

All you have is irrelevant soundbites that prove nothing. Your inability to present one proof text is obvious. That is because you promote extra-biblical teaching. It enjoys no explicit Scripture.

 

[WPM]

You seem to have a major issue in the near future. Remember it is the path you have chosen with the other foolish virgins.
I see no fear of God in you and the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

It is impossible to engage with Pretribbers who hurl such vicious false charges when others disagree with them. Your judgment is brutal. Yet there is no humility and no apologies.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The 4 horsemen kick it off.
Then according to Daniel it looks like 7 years in duration.
It is " Jacob's trouble " . ( Israel's trouble)
It has a distinct purpose as it plows up and prepares the Jews to be gathered in Rev 14

Thanks. I asked the question to see whether everyone in this discussion shared a similar view of the tribulation. If not, this might explain why there seems to be wide disagreement.

I agree that the horsemen kicked it off. But I think the horsemen came during the Jewish wars of 68 - 70AD. IOW, the GT began immediately when the temple was destroyed and continues even today. So far, the GT has included the Inquisition, the Holocaust, and the pogroms, among other things. Since the tribulation hasn't ended yet, Jesus' return marks the end of the GT.

In your view, are the trumpets and the bowls included in the GT?
Maybe the Trumpets are included but not the bowls?
What do you think?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Jesus will Return when His enemies are made His footstool, meaning they are either dead or converted.

That is one of the many reasons why AMill is a crock.

I know. 1948 changed everything.

 

[MA2444]

I'm not the one calling everyone a liar every time they disagree with your interpretation of scripture.

I called them guys a liar in this thread too. But they're weird about it. They'll say exegetex the scriptures for us...and when we do they have already rejected it in their mind and seem unable to give even a reasonable response and flatly reject it and go off on a tangent to something that isnt true at all or even sometimes even related to the topic at hand.

SI thinks that if he writes anything down in a post that it is truth and proof! So it's almost like they are unable to receive it?

And I happened along this scripture today and thought of them.

2 Corinthians 4:1-4
4 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them..../KJV

 

[MA2444]

I know. 1948 changed everything.

1948 was when Israel put for leaves and began to sprout. "This is the generation" that will not pass away until the coming of the Lord.

News flash we are in that generation!

 

[MA2444]

There are only two types of seed in this world, the seed that produces the natural man and the seed that produces the spiritual man (born again).

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

If the woman’s seed is the second born (born from above) then what is the serpents seed?

Thats all in the first four verses of Genesis 6.

 

[rwb]

Jesus will Return when His enemies are made His footstool, meaning they are either dead or converted.

That is one of the many reasons why AMill is a crock.

This doesn't make Amil a crock it confirms it! Because Amil doesn't have some in-between age of one thousand more years when Christ returns when the enemies of Christ are made His footstool (under the earth, consumed by the fire of God), while those who have been saved are changed from mortal & corruptible flesh to immortal & incorruptible flesh to live with Christ throughout eternity on the new earth.

 

[IndianaRob]

Thats all in the first four verses of Genesis 6.

Elaborate.

 

[WPM]

SI thinks that if he writes anything down in a post that it is truth and proof! So it's almost like they are unable to receive it?

Lol. You are describing yourself once again. More projection!

 

[rwb]

Hebrews 10:13 Not happened yet.
Plenty of the enemies of Jesus running around in history and now. AMill bites the dust!

You must not cherry pick verses out of context thinking this proves what you allege! According to Hebrews 10 Christ has already sat down on the right hand of God AFTER He gave His life for sin. Since that moment when Christ gave His life for all who would believe, mankind is either His enemy, and physical death is how unsaved mankind is made to be His footstool (under the earth, the depths of the pit, Satan's domain, destined to die the second death), or they are perfected FOREVER being sanctified through Him.

Hebrews 10:12-14 (KJV) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

You think there will be a second chance (one thousand years) for unsaved man to turn to Christ for life when Christ returns again? Not according to the author of Hebrews. Christ gave His life to atone for sin, there is no more sacrifice for sins. Those who died under the law died without mercy, and their punishment is not to be compared to those who trod underfoot the Son of God (unbelievers) and count His blood as unholy. Read the chapter in context without a preconceived opinion!

Hebrews 10:26-31 (KJV) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[rebuilder 454]

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This vague statement above sums up the impotence of the Pretrib argument. What does this prove? Nothing. We all believe that there were 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins. But none of this proves Pretrib.

All you have is irrelevent soundbites that prove nothing. Your inability to present one proof text is obvious. That is because you promote extra-biblical teaching. It enjoys no explicit Scripture.

THe wise left with Jesus to the marriage chamber.
...which is troublesome to your beliefs.
All postribbers change the virgin parable components.

 

[rwb]

There are only two types of seed in this world, the seed that produces the natural man and the seed that produces the spiritual man (born again).

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

If the woman’s seed is the second born (born from above) then what is the serpents seed?

What do you mean saying "the woman's seed is the second (born from above)?

 

[IndianaRob]

What do you mean saying "the woman's seed is the second (born from above)?

Heavenly Jerusalem, born again people.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Edited to change saved people to born again people.