The absurdity of Pretrib logic

[WPM]

What is the seed that gets put into the terrestrial body? Simple question, what does the seed represent?

It is the physical body that died.

Now, will you address my previous avoided posts?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, it would not be dishonest, but disagreeing.

Disregarding a correction of something erroneous that was being said is not dishonest? In what galaxy?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You quoted this - 1 Cor 15:37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.

What is the seed that God gives a body to? Just a simple question, what is the seed?

In that case it says "perhaps of wheat or of something else"? Why do you ask? Can you please just get to the point instead of just asking a bunch of questions?

 

[MA2444]

No, we are not obsessed with "despising the rapture and those waiting for Jesus." You know, we believe in that. So, that is more lies. We reject the Pretrib fallacy. It is not in the Bible, it is a delusion. Your failure to provide one single Scripture that teaches it, like your Pretrib colleagues, proves our thesis!

All you have is name-calling, insults and avoidance.

Wasnt this post on the first page? What are you, a parrot? Or ocd?

 

[IndianaRob]

It is the physical body that died.

Now, will you address my previous avoided posts?

So what your saying is that God gives the seed (which you say is the physical body) a body.

What body does the physical body get?

Hopefully this is plain as day that what you’re saying is completely impossible.

 

[WPM]

Wasnt this post on the first page? What are you, a parrot? Or ocd?

Why can you not communicate in a Christian manner?

 

[IndianaRob]

In that case it says "perhaps of wheat or of something else"? Why do you ask? Can you please just get to the point instead of just asking a bunch of questions?

The seed is the LIVING SOUL that is placed into the earthly body. The seed gets the new body in the resurrection.

The resurrection is of the soul not dead earthly bodies.

 

[WPM]

So what your saying is that God gives the seed (which you say is the physical body) a body.

What body does the physical body get?

Hopefully this is plain as day that what you’re saying is completely impossible.

The physical body dies and is raised celestial.

 

[WPM]

The seed is the LIVING SOUL that is placed into the earthly body. The seed gets the new body in the resurrection.

The resurrection is of the soul not dead earthly bodies.

So, (1) when does this happen and (2) when is the body raised? (3) When do the righteous receive their eternal reward and (4) when do the wicked receive their eternal reward?

 

[MA2444]

Why can you not communicate in a Christian manner?

Because you're unteachable of course. I could, but I'd have to start at the beginning with you...and you wouldnt get it. You never do. You and your ilk have not proved anything.

Saying something that is not so does not make it so. So you get the same enegy back as you dish out.

 

[WPM]

Because you're unteachable of course. I could, but I'd have to start at the beginning with you...and you wouldnt get it. You never do. You and your ilk have not proved anything.

Saying something that is not so does not make it so. So you get the same enegy back as you dish out.

No. This is who you are. You cannot handle anybody questioning your theology. You also cannot address multiple Scriptures that disallow your teaching. You seem incapable of exegeting God's Word. When people disagree with you, you act in a vicious non-Christian manner. You just admitted why you cannot "communicate in a Christian manner" in your last response. Your approach is avoidance, insults and name-calling.

 

[IndianaRob]

So, (1) when does this happen and (2) when is the body raised? (3) When do the righteous receive their eternal reward and (4) when do the wicked receive their eternal reward?

It happened at the resurrection of Christ which is what Daniel 12:2 is trying to tell us.

That’s why Daniel says many but not all, he’s pointing us to the cross which is when the souls of everyone’s sins were forgiven and all that were dead in Christ were given eternal life and all that will chose Christ going forward will have eternal life.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The seed is the LIVING SOUL that is placed into the earthly body. The seed gets the new body in the resurrection.

The resurrection is of the soul not dead earthly bodies.

No, that is not what Paul is talking about. Read the rest of what he said.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

Paul is talking here about our natural body that we have now. It is perishable or corruptible. It is mortal. It is dishonorable. It is weak. And Paul is saying it will be raised as a spiritual body that is imperishable (or incorruptible) and will be immortal. It will be "raised in glory" and "in power". You are taking Paul completely out of context.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It happened at the resurrection of Christ which is what Daniel 12:2 is trying to tell us.

That’s why Daniel says many but not all, he’s pointing us to the cross which is when the souls of everyone’s sins were forgiven and all that were dead in Christ were given eternal life and all that will chose Christ going forward will have eternal life.

He doesn't say many but not all. You are adding something to the text that isn't there. I have shown examples of how the Hebrew word translated as "many" is used to refer to all of something, the number of which was "many" and you just completely ignore that. You are just believing whatever you want to believe.

 

[IndianaRob]

I tried.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Because you're unteachable of course. I could, but I'd have to start at the beginning with you...and you wouldnt get it. You never do. You and your ilk have not proved anything.

Saying something that is not so does not make it so. So you get the same enegy back as you dish out.

You rely completely on your teachers for understanding. You're always having to look at your notes of what your teachers have taught you. Are you like the Bereans who studied the scriptures for themselves to see if what they were taught was true (Acts 17:10-11)? It doesn't seem like it. It seems that you put your full trust in what your teachers tell you, which is not wise.

 

[St. SteVen]

I want to say at the start, this is not an attack on individual Pretribbers. There are many solid Pretribbers out there. This is a challenge on the doctrine espoused by them.

Before I came on this forum, everyone I knew was Pre-Trib. Only an odd-ball would espouse Mid-Trib, or Post-Trib/Pre-Millenialism.
Folks here in the Eschatology section were all Post-Trib/Pre-Millenialism. I guess they prefer Pre-Millenial. The U-Turn rapture. Caught up to be sent back.

A pastor would be skating on thin ice to preach anything but Pre-Trib. But it was reasonable that there were differing views. They were all biblical as I understood it. So, to say there is zero biblical defense seems misplaced. That usually means that the one saying such simply disagrees with the biblical position of everyone else. Which equates to zero evidence. (intellectual dishonesty)

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[Spiritual Israelite]

Before I came on this forum, everyone I knew was Pre-Trib. Only an odd-ball would espouse Mid-Trib, or Post-Trib/Pre-Millenialism.

How many people do you know? Did you know that most Christians outside of your circle do not believe in pre-trib? It's not a common belief at all outside of the U.S. which has been influenced by the Left Behind novels and the teachings of well known dispensationalists like John MacArthur and others.

Folks here in the Eschatology section were all Post-Trib/Pre-Millenialism. I guess they prefer Pre-Millenial. The U-Turn rapture. Caught up to be sent back.

A pastor would be skating on thin ice to preach anything but Pre-Trib.

Where? Certainly not in most Christian churches in the world.

But it was reasonable that there were differing views. They were all biblical as I understood it.

No, they can't all be biblical. The rapture can't be both pre-trib and post-trib. Both amil and premil can't both be true.

So, to say there is zero biblical defense seems misplaced.

Have you read this thread at all? We (amils) have asked the pre-tribs to exegete scripture to prove that it backs up their claims and they never do it. Not once. What does that suggest to you?

That usually means that the one saying such simply disagrees with the biblical position of everyone else. Which equates to zero evidence. (intellectual dishonesty)

A ton of evidence in favor of post-trib and amil has been given in this thread. Why make claims like this when you clearly haven't even read many posts in this thread?

 

[WPM]

It happened at the resurrection of Christ which is what Daniel 12:2 is trying to tell us.

That’s why Daniel says many but not all, he’s pointing us to the cross which is when the souls of everyone’s sins were forgiven and all that were dead in Christ were given eternal life and all that will chose Christ going forward will have eternal life.

So, the wicked were resurrected to eternal punishment "at the resurrection of Christ"?

 

[WPM]

Before I came on this forum, everyone I knew was Pre-Trib. Only an odd-ball would espouse Mid-Trib, or Post-Trib/Pre-Millenialism.
Folks here in the Eschatology section were all Post-Trib/Pre-Millenialism. I guess they prefer Pre-Millenial. The U-Turn rapture. Caught up to be sent back.

A pastor would be skating on thin ice to preach anything but Pre-Trib. But it was reasonable that there were differing views. They were all biblical as I understood it. So, to say there is zero biblical defense seems misplaced. That usually means that the one saying such simply disagrees with the biblical position of everyone else. Which equates to zero evidence. (intellectual dishonesty)

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LOL. Have you been outside of your own bias circles? Have you been outside of the USA? Do you know that there is a massive exodus from Pretrib in Christian colleges throughout the US and the world today from your doctrine? And (most importantly):

Do you have any Scripture that teaches a literal rapture of the Church, followed by a literal seven year tribulation period, followed by a literal third coming of Christ?