But shun profane and vain babblings

[Stewardofthemystery]

Some of us are simply agreeing with scripture by saying that the first resurrection was Christ's bodily resurrection and all believers spiritually have part in it.

That is not what Jesus Christ calls “the first resurrection”…..

Revelation 20​

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King James Version​

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20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “the first resurrection.”
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in “the first resurrection:”on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

That is speaking about the WRITINGS (Old Testament.) But I wont tell you that the bible is not helpful in learning and growing in the knowledge of the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Timothy grew up learning the old testament writings, which us in America typically do not. Paul is reminding him of that here.

ALL scripture means ALL scripture.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

 

[rwb]

That is not what Jesus Christ calls “the first resurrection”…..

Prove what you allege! Anyone can quote Scripture, but only those with eyes to see and ears to hear, through the power of the Holy Spirit are able to DISCERN Scripture. You have not discernment, and sadly you prove this again and again.

 

[MatthewG]

@Stewardofthemystery,

2 Timothy 3:16​

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Young's Literal Translation​

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16 every Writing [is] God-breathed, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for setting aright, for instruction that [is] in righteousness,

Here is a literal version. You can disagree if you would like if it is not concerning the Old Testament. Paul is writing it a specific individual and giving him instructions to continue to hold on to faith, and not to forsake the old testament and it's writings because they are profitable for teaching. There is so much profound imagery concerning Yeshua, founded in those scriptures.

You can disagree with that though, and if we are to live by every word that proceeds from God, that means we need to Old Testament. Not just the New Testament in order to grow and learn about the things concerning our own conditions and our had relationship with Yhvh. Through the Lord Yeshua.

Jesus also grew up learning the old testament.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No it is a single event that happens at the last trump when the dead in Christ are physically resurrected. You are trying to take away from prophecy.

Here is your warning….

Revelation 22:18-19​

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King James Version​

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18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take awayhis part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

You have been warned!

Get out of here with this nonsense! You are making false accusations! Interpreting Revelation 20 is not a case of adding to the book of Revelation. You interpret it one way and we interpret it another. Stop this foolishness!

Tell me, at what point is it true that the second death has no power over someone? Not until you die and are bodily resurrected when Christ returns? Is that what scripture teaches?

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Scripture teaches that the second death has no power over those who have overcome which are those who are born of God. So, we do not have to wait until we die and later are bodily resurrected in order for the second death to have no power over us. It has no power over us now and no power over the souls of the dead in Christ who are in heaven now. That should tell you something about the timing of having part in the first resurrection along with the fact that scripture teaches Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20 ,etc.).

We Amils use scripture to interpret scripture. Scripture tells us that we spiritually have part in Christ's resurrection (Eph 2:4-6, Col 2:12-13, Romans 6, etc.) and His resurrection was the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20, Col 1:18, Rev 1:5) and the second death has no power over those who are born of God. So, we use those scripture to understand Revelation 20 along with the scriptures which tell us that all of the dead, saved and lost, are resurrected at the same time (John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:2, Acts 24:15) and that all people will be judged at the same time (Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Matthew 25:31-46).

If you disagree with us despite all of that, so be it. But, to try to portray us as a cult and make it as if we teach that the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ has already occurred (which we do not) is ridiculous! It's a pathetic attempt to slander a doctrine that you clearly are completely unable to refute! What a pathetic joke that you had to resort to something like this instead of making the effort to actually address what we believe instead.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That is not what Jesus Christ calls “the first resurrection”…..

Revelation 20​

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King James Version​

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20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “the first resurrection.”
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in “the first resurrection:”on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

That is your opinion, but I'm showing clear and straightforward scripture which says Jesus's resurrection was the first resurrection and there's other scripture which says we all spiritually have part in His resurrection. Is this verse in your Bible?

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

 

[MatthewG]

@Stewardofthemystery,

Can I ask exactly what it is you are speaking about when you share "this mentioned rising again." I take this scripture to Timothy as concerning the raising again of all the people from the bride of Christ, to those in hell, which is being shared by Paul here.

2 Timothy 2:15-18​

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Young's Literal Translation​

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15 be diligent to present thyself approved to God -- a workman irreproachable, rightly dividing the word of the truth;
16 and the profane vain talkings stand aloof from, for to more impiety they will advance,
17 and their word as a gangrene will have pasture, of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus,
18 who concerning the truth did swerve, saying the rising again to have already been, and do overthrow the faith of some;

Because Paul writes "a do overthrow the faith of some." I believe this also has to deal with Yeshuas return, victory and ultimately all resurrection of the damned, and the resurrection of life, and those who have a better resurrection spoken of in Hebrews, are all given "first" as into both Jews and Gentiles, during the white throne judgment and all of those matters.

I believe this guy Hymanaeus and Philetus, were spreading rumors of these things as though they had done passed. While Jesus was the first resurrection, the begotten sons afterwards, still the return had to happen, and Paul is telling Timothy to be aware of these statements being made by these two, and to remind those he comes across not to believe them, and to shun those things because the "time of the end of the age" had yet to come...

This was when, John would come a little later, when the time of the end is nearing... and the rising again, for all peoples was to be, and a "new heaven, and new earth without the "brazen" sea" would be now administered under by the Lord Yeshua, and him fulfilling the old testament, and paying the price of sin for all in which now all people are able to get to Yahavah today. Which is truly amazing the work that God has done by reconciling the world unto himself through the Lord Jesus Christ.

It's another reason why I believe we are a family of believers, adopted looking for a heavenly home, and have people now today, in that heavenly home with God, and those who were of the darkness, are on the outside according to the finishing touch of the revelation.


Thats why I believe having faith Yeshua, has came, and saved the bride, that we are the second fruits of the labors of the first bride of Christ, who went through extremely rough, and harsh things which would blow my mind to really have been there to see such a faithful person who never once swayed for other gods, who was that first bride, there was those who were persecuted and killed for their faith even people who hated them, going as far as to ban the name Yeshua from being preached.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Prove what you allege!

That is not what Jesus Christ calls “the first resurrection”…..

Revelation 20​

King James Version​

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “the first resurrection.”
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in “the first resurrection:”on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[MatthewG]

@Stewardofthemystery,

Can I ask exactly what it is you are speaking about when you share "this mentioned rising again." I take this scripture to Timothy as concerning the raising again of all the people from the bride of Christ, to those in hell, which is being shared by Paul here.

2 Timothy 2:15-18​

​

Young's Literal Translation​

​

​

15 be diligent to present thyself approved to God -- a workman irreproachable, rightly dividing the word of the truth;
16 and the profane vain talkings stand aloof from, for to more impiety they will advance,
17 and their word as a gangrene will have pasture, of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus,
18 who concerning the truth did swerve, saying the rising again to have already been, and do overthrow the faith of some;

Because Paul writes "a do overthrow the faith of some." I believe this also has to deal with Yeshuas return, victory and ultimately all resurrection of the damned, and the resurrection of life, and those who have a better resurrection spoken of in Hebrews, are all given "first" as into both Jews and Gentiles, during the white throne judgment and all of those matters.

I believe this guy Hymanaeus and Philetus, were spreading rumors of these things as though they had done passed. While Jesus was the first resurrection, the begotten sons afterwards, still the return had to happen, and Paul is telling Timothy to be aware of these statements being made by these two, and to remind those he comes across not to believe them, and to shun those things because the "time of the end of the age" had yet to come...

This was when, John would come a little later, when the time of the end is nearing... and the rising again, for all peoples was to be, and a "new heaven, and new earth without the "brazen" sea" would be now administered under by the Lord Yeshua, and him fulfilling the old testament, and paying the price of sin for all in which now all people are able to get to Yahavah today. Which is truly amazing the work that God has done by reconciling the world unto himself through the Lord Jesus Christ.

It's another reason why I believe we are a family of believers, adopted looking for a heavenly home, and have people now today, in that heavenly home with God, and those who were of the darkness, are on the outside according to the finishing touch of the revelation.


Thats why I believe having faith Yeshua, has came, and saved the bride, that we are the second fruits of the labors of the first bride of Christ, who went through extremely rough, and harsh things which would blow my mind to really have been there to see such a faithful person who never once swayed for other gods, who was that first bride, there was those who were persecuted and killed for their faith even people who hated them, going as far as to ban the name Yeshua from being preached.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “the first resurrection.”

This was co-relate, because from Jesus warning to that generation, there was 40 years, for the gospel to spread to the ends of the "earth" they knew before the "end had come."

I believe 1000 is represented as "the full amount of time allotted" - which was from Yeshuas, mouth a generation biblically seen as a 40 year time span.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

We Amils use scripture to interpret scripture. …..the scriptures which tell us that all of the dead, saved and lost, are resurrected at the same time

False….

(((But the rest of the dead ))) lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “the first resurrection.”

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That is not what Jesus Christ calls “the first resurrection”…..

Revelation 20​

King James Version​

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “the first resurrection.”
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in “the first resurrection:”on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

He said to prove what you allege, not just quote scripture with no commentary and no exegesis.

 

[WPM]

False….

(((But the rest of the dead ))) lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “the first resurrection.”

This is talking about all those who are not in Christ. They will be resurrected to judgment when Jesus comes after Satan's little season.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

False….

(((But the rest of the dead ))) lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “the first resurrection.”

True.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Why don't you address this verse? Afraid to acknowledge what it says?

Regardless of how one understands what the first resurrection refers to and how someone has part in it, you have slandered Amils by falsely claiming that we believe the dead in Christ have already been resurrected, which is not true! How do you live with yourself when you lie about us like this? If you disagree with our understanding of Revelation 20, so be it, but you are trying to accuse us of claiming that the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ has already occurred, which we do NOT believe! They will be resurrected when Christ returns.

Also, what are you intending to say by quoting that verse? You highlighted the thousand years being finished and "this is the first resurrection". Are you saying you believe the first resurrection occurs after the thousand years and is the resurrection of the rest of the dead? I can't imagine that's what you're intending to say, but that's how it comes across.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

That is your opinion,

No this IS The words of God….

Revelation 20​

King James Version​

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “((((the first resurrection.”)))))
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in “((((the first resurrection:”))))on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No this IS The words of God….

Revelation 20​

King James Version​

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “((((the first resurrection.”)))))
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in “((((the first resurrection:”))))on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

LOL. Did I say that isn't the words of God? No, I did not. But, I interpret them differently than you do. My doctrine lines up perfectly with those verses. Unlike you, I have used other scripture to support my understanding of that passage. You ignore or twist those scriptures which contradict your understanding of that passage.

Why is it that you are willing to interpret that passage in such a way that contradicts many other passages such as Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:19-23, Colossians 1:12-13, Revelation 1:5-6, Matthew 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-37, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:2, Acts 24:15, Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 12:28-29, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:-7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13 and Revelation 19:17-18?

Do you believe the following verses are referring to the same thing?

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Here is your warning….

Revelation 22:18-19

King James Version
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18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take awayhis part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

You “Amils” have been warned!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here is your warning….

Revelation 22:18-19​

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King James Version​

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18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take awayhis part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

You “Amils” have been warned!

LOL. Oh, I'm so scared. You are making threats. Oh no, what to do. LOL. What a joke. Since when is interpreting the book of Revelation a case of purposely adding to it or taking away from it, which is what that passage is about? You are being foolish. You should be embarrassed.

Will everyone who interprets anything in the book of Revelation wrongly be condemned to the lake of fire? Is that what you think? In that case, we're probably all doomed.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

LOL. Did I say that isn't the words of God?

Then why don’t you believe them?

Those who say the first resurrection is past already are in error. They are of Mystery Babylon= vain babblings…

2 Timothy 2:15-18

King James Version​

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.”

 

[WPM]

No this IS The words of God….

Revelation 20​

King James Version​

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is “((((the first resurrection.”)))))
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in “((((the first resurrection:”))))on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Do you have any biblical corroboration to support your interpretation of Revelation 20 that physical resurrection is the event that gives us a victory over eternal punishment? Or, put different, where does the New Testament teach that the physical resurrection is the actual means of delivering us from the second death?

 

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It's not what John writes in Rev 20 that is in question! It's how those who believe a/the thousand years is ONE thousand years when that is not what John has said. The Word of God is not a problem it is Premillennialists lack of understanding it that is! There cannot be contradictions found in the Word of God. Yet Premillennialists have no problem with the forced contradictions, nor do they even attempt to explain them. Those who hold this erroneous doctrine are quite good at ignoring what they cannot explain away. And then have the gall to call Amils heretics!

The word of God says a thousand years three times and the thousand years three times in 6 consecutive verses.
Not long after I received the holy Ghost in 1998,I understood it is speaking of a thousand years.I understood this to be a day to the Lord and that day is the Sabbath day.The seventh from.Adam.
In reading 2 Peter I felt my thoughts were confirmed and then I ran across the general epistle of Barnabas which spells it out for a first grader to understand.

Jesus spoke of that day in the gospel saying his work would be completed on that day.That being after 2000 years.

Luke 13:32
He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’


Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.



After 2000 years would be the resurection.
It's not hard to understand once you learn a thousand years is as a day to the Lord.Peter attempts to educate his readers on this ,but many ignore Peters lesson and remain ignorant concerning the timing of the day of the Lord and the Lord's coming.


2 Peter 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.