Hearing the Lord, and pride vs humility

[Christian Soldier]

Preaching the Word of God is preaching Jesus Christ and Him as the Word of God!

Jesus Christ is the Word of God because His Father gave Him all things, including the very words of God. Jesus explained that He does and says only what the Father tells Him, and we also know the His Father also gave Him the throne of God. So, Jesus, the Christ, rules over all things because He is on the throne of God with the very words of God. Therefore, it is expected that all would hear the King of kings and listen to Him!! Not hearing Him when He speaks to you then would be not only disrespectful but is a clear sign a person does not love the Lord, their God.


Now there is a misconception, propagated by the devil, that a person talking about hearing God is full of pride. The devil is a liar, so the opposite is true. It is the not hearing the Lord our God, Jesus Christ, which is a sign of having pride!!!

The prideful person is in fact thinking inside that they and their thinking is wiser and better than God's thinking and wisdom!!

Therefore, it is the humble person who, in fact and action, turns to the Lord for advice, teaching, counsel, and instructions - meaning that they hear from Him!!

And there is another misconception, also the result of the devil, and that is that a humble person doesn't speak often about what the Lord told them. Satan, of course, does not want people listening to the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, Satan's methods are designed to get us to not seek the Lord, talk about the Lord, and testify about the Lord and what He has done for us. So Satan wants you to doubt that the Lord speaks Today, and gets you to lean on your own understanding and consider yourself to be as wise as God - so you don't listen to the Lord our God!

This shows up in the first approach that snake of old took in the garden:

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?”

Note how the snakes starts right off with the words "Indeed, has God said,"!! That is the doubt that Satan is trying to put into people and is indeed the first approach that the demons normally uses!! So if you think that you might have heard from the Lord, another spirit (evil spirit) will almost always follow with doubt that it was indeed God talking to you!

And to add to the confusion and also to get you from believing and trusting in God, that snake then tries to get you leaning on your own understanding, and to do that the snakes tries to convince you that you can be as smart and wise as God;

Gen 3:4,5 The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die!
“For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

So we see the basic strategy of the devil - first to get you to doubt God speaks to you, followed up by getting you to think that you can be as wise as God, "knowing good and evil". And the thing is that we fall for this over and over and over!!

You would think that at some point we would realize that leaning on our own understanding is just not working for us! If we do ever get to that point, it leads to repentance! Repentance is of course the realization that we are messing things up, and so we regret our decisions. That then leads us back to God (hopefully) and then seeking His voice and words to us. It doesn't always lead us back to God, though. We might turn to other people we think are smarter than us, or we might turn to an idol, or a person might just turn directly back to Satan (like in witchcraft and such) So it not only takes repentance but also a leave of belief and zeal for God!

Rev 3:19 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

So to get back to seeking and hearing from the Lord we have to have both a zeal that comes with some level of faith in God, and also repentance - that idea that we really do need God in our lives because we are not as wise as God. If indeed, both those things happen in your life then you will seek the Lord our God Jesus Christ, open up to Him, and He will come into you with His Holy Spirit and start talking to you, and you with Him!

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

And this talking back and forth with Him results in a greater faith in Him, and a greater zeal for Him, and a love for Him!!!

Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Ps 119:139 My zeal has consumed me, Because my adversaries have forgotten Your words.

A good example of this is Moses. He was considered a very humble man.

Numbers 3:12 (Now the man Moses was very humble, more than any man who was on the face of the earth.)

And what do we read about Moses - that He was even bold enough to talk to Pharoah about what God said, and to go up on the mountain of God to hear the words of God, and how He spoke the words of God to lead God's people out of Egypt! So this very humble man, even more humble that any other man who was on the face of the earth, was going around talking about what the Lord was saying to Him!

And that brings up back to what I wrote earlier on this post:

Therefore, it is the humble person who, in fact and action, turns to the Lord for advice, teaching, counsel, and instructions - meaning that they hear from Him!!

I agree with much of what you say, but i just wanted to confirm that you really don't believe that God actually talks to people. The last time that God spoke to a ma was 2000 years ago when He gave the Apostle John His revelation.
There haven't been any recorded instances of God speaking with a man, since then.

So I can only assume that you mean, God speaks to you when you read the Bible. The Bible is Gods Word so God speaks to man through the bible but we don't hear an actual voice speaking to us. So all of us hear the same old message from 2000 years ago, and it's still fresh and just as much alive as it was back then.

My Pastor told us that God has been silent for the past 2000 years, he said if anyone claims to have new revelation or they heard God speaking to them, it's demonic delusion. The Muslims believe that their Prophet Mohammad was the last person to speak with God, that's what the Koran teaches them and and they believe it Christians believe that Jesus is God and the last person to hear from Him was the Apostle John.

My Pastor said that Jesus said everything He wanted to say while He was on the earth. Jesus said it is finished, so if anyone comes along and claims otherwise they are from the Devil. In any case we can't even process what He said 2000 years ago, let alone adding more confusion into the mix. It just foolish to ask from more while we can't eat what's already on our plate.

 

[Spyder]

I agree with much of what you say, but i just wanted to confirm that you really don't believe that God actually talks to people. The last time that God spoke to a ma was 2000 years ago when He gave the Apostle John His revelation.
There haven't been any recorded instances of God speaking with a man, since then.

So I can only assume that you mean, God speaks to you when you read the Bible. The Bible is Gods Word so God speaks to man through the bible but we don't hear an actual voice speaking to us. So all of us hear the same old message from 2000 years ago, and it's still fresh and just as much alive as it was back then.

My Pastor told us that God has been silent for the past 2000 years, he said if anyone claims to have new revelation or they heard God speaking to them, it's demonic delusion. The Muslims believe that their Prophet Mohammad was the last person to speak with God, that's what the Koran teaches them and and they believe it Christians believe that Jesus is God and the last person to hear from Him was the Apostle John.

My Pastor said that Jesus said everything He wanted to say while He was on the earth. Jesus said it is finished, so if anyone comes along and claims otherwise they are from the Devil. In any case we can't even process what He said 2000 years ago, let alone adding more confusion into the mix. It just foolish to ask from more while we can't eat what's already on our plate.

There are several ways to fool ourselves into thinking that we heard from God. The one way we prevent ourselves from being deceived is to understand that God does not change and the manuscripts that we have available today can be studied to see that He has not contradicted the statements that He made in the past and are recorded in those manuscripts.

Our problem begins when we assume that the proof-texts that we have been led to take as proof are accepted without comparing them to other passages on the same topic that serve to show that there is a different understanding there for those who really want the truth.

Satan is successful at leading people to accept false beliefs. I think it is because we typically accept other's statements as true without discerning for ourselves that there is no contradicting passages in scripture that should lead us to a different view. I have had to pray quite often during my time spent in study because I found contradictions to the things I had been taught by other people. This causes me frustration, because it complicated my beliefs. It was very difficult to wait on God to give me His truth versus man's opinions given as "the truth."

I have written myself letters (and kept them) where I argued with my frustrated self and had to accept the convictions that God gave me.

Without scriptures, we can be easily led to believe lies. Without trusting God for the "final answer," we simply make concrete the teachings of man - which has caused so many denominations; each accusing the others of being in error.

 

[Christian Soldier]

There are several ways to fool ourselves into thinking that we heard from God. The one way we prevent ourselves from being deceived is to understand that God does not change and the manuscripts that we have available today can be studied to see that He has not contradicted the statements that He made in the past and are recorded in those manuscripts.

Our problem begins when we assume that the proof-texts that we have been led to take as proof are accepted without comparing them to other passages on the same topic that serve to show that there is a different understanding there for those who really want the truth.

Satan is successful at leading people to accept false beliefs. I think it is because we typically accept other's statements as true without discerning for ourselves that there is no contradicting passages in scripture that should lead us to a different view. I have had to pray quite often during my time spent in study because I found contradictions to the things I had been taught by other people. This causes me frustration, because it complicated my beliefs. It was very difficult to wait on God to give me His truth versus man's opinions given as "the truth."

I have written myself letters (and kept them) where I argued with my frustrated self and had to accept the convictions that God gave me.

Without scriptures, we can be easily led to believe lies. Without trusting God for the "final answer," we simply make concrete the teachings of man - which has caused so many denominations; each accusing the others of being in error.

Every born again believer has to go through this same struggle you describe. We all struggle to understand Gods ways, because they are infinitely higher than ours. Thankfully God sends His comforter to guide and lead His Children into all truth.

The Holy Spirit reveals the truth of the gospel to Gods people, we all listen to our Teachers, Pastors, Ministers, Shepherds etc. but we are still responsible to make sure that what we are being taught lines up with what the Bible says about the matter. As yo rightly pointed out, every scripture must be in harmony with what the other scriptures say about the particular subject.

I spent almost 2 years visiting different Churches, looking to find a faithful Church. It wasn't until I prayed about it, that God lead me to a faithful Church. I never would have been attracted to this Church, if God didn't lead me there. I didn't like the messages being preached at this Church, as they were awful but they were in line with what the scriptures say.

As time went on I discovered there was nothing wrong with the sermon messages and the problem was with my theology and what I thought the Bible should be saying. I was judging Gods Word according to my standard, instead of conforming myself to His standards. I had to abandon all of my preconceived ideas and expectations and embrace Gods Word as it was given.

From my point of view, I had to capitulate and accept the fact that my opinions and expectations were unbiblical so I had to learn to listen much more and speak less. I realized that my questions were being answered by not asking them but just listening and reading, I came to realize that my questions were invalid and foolish.

As I got to know everyone in the Church, I found that every one f them is on the same journey of discovery. None of them were finished products, and most of them came from denominational Churches or some other religious background. We never stop learning about God, and our understanding changes as we grow in the things of God. So it's OK to be wrong about something as long as we're willing to be corrected.

 

[Karl Peters]

Why do I get the feeling that you are attempting to say that I am don't understand using scripture and God's spirit in order to know truth?

I do get the impression that you negate the scripture resource and know truth without including it in your studies.

By the way, Deu 6:4 actually says "Hear Israel, Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is the only God."

Since we don't appear to be talking to each other clearly, I suppose I'll let it go for now.

I always find this type of response interesting and illogical, because I quote far more scriptures to back up what I am saying than those suggesting I am not studying the Scriptures!

The fact is that the reason behind the writing of the Scriptures is to tell us that Jesus Christ is always with us to be heard from and gotten to know personally. And that is what I am trying to get across also!!

A person cannot know the Scriptures and get to know the Lord Jesus Christ personally, but a person cannot get salvation without knowing Jesus (God's Salvation) personally!!

Also a person can know and study the Scriptures extensively and not know Jesus Christ personally and so not get salvation. Indeed, many pretend to know Him and follow Him, but what they mean is that they are trying to follow the Scripture. Many are going to wind up in that situation' to their own demise.

And I have run across Christians who have heard from Him, but don't actually follow Him by listening to His voice. So is that type of faith going to save them?

And all this is brought up for our learning in the Bible, but if you are not listening to the Teacher do you then understand this? It is written that understanding comes from His voice, and it is written to not lean on your own understanding.

Now have gone over this over and over and over, both because He has asked me to, and because I see the great value in doing so. And this particular thread, which is based on a teaching He went over with me, and He asked me to start, is about how a person's pride is the main reason people lean on their own understanding instead of hearing from Him Today!

And if we don't understand this, because we have not listen to Him like we should, then reading and studying the Scriptures will be a thing of pride to that person. And then they cannot even understand that I am pointing them back to listening to Jesus Christ via His Holy spirit, and using Scripture, after Scripture, after Scripture, to do so. I also throw in some testimonies about hearing Him, so they might also understand how they are not actually hearing from Him like they should.

Now the Lord reproves those He loves, and if they are not listening to Him, then the reproof is going to have to come through other people, and that is hard to take if a person is full of pride! If the person was a humble person, even at the reproof (whether right or wrong) would cause them to seek the voice of our Lord Jesus Christ, to find out if it is right or wrong regarding them. Because a humble person does not think they are smarter than God! Only a prideful person turns back to their own understanding when faced with reproof.

So a prideful Christian will turn back to their own understanding of the Scriptures, as opposed to turning to Jesus Christ and hearing from Him by faith.

So why did Spyder write what He did. I do love the single verse he quoted:

Deu 6:4 "Hear Israel, Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is the only God.

What He failed to realize is that Jesus Christ is the Lord our God and is One with God!!! I went of this with him, but he did not understand because He did not seek Jesus Christ and listen to Him! So he can not still put together Scriptures!

Consider:

Is 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,

Jn 1:1,2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.

Gen 15:1,2 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying,
“Do not fear, Abram, I am a shield to you; Your reward shall be very great.”
Abram said, “O Lord GOD, what will You give me, since I am childless...

In the above 3 verses we find that the child born to us is "Mighty God", that the child was born to us and is Jesus Christ, and that He also goes by "the Word", and "the word of the Lord came and spoke with Abram in a vision, and that Abram called Him "Lord GOD", in our Bible but that is translated from "Yahweh" which is not an English word!

So actually Deut 6:4 reads - “Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!: - in our Bibles, because we read English, of course!

So Yahweh, is the Word of God, and the One we call Jesus Christ, because actually knowing and trusting in Him, as the Lord our God, gives us salvation. Spyder would of course know this if indeed he was talking to Him on those days called "Today", but it is hidden from Him and is obvious to those who do really know Him.

It is simply if you really know the Lord, because you talk to Him who is with you during each and everyday. So you know that He is the Word of God, because He is God! And He is the Lord, because He tells you things to do, and you do them (or at least want to do them so some effort is made if out of fear of God if for no other reason), and that even includes the steps you take and the way you turn to the right and to the left. You find out that He commands angels, and so you find out that He is the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, because you actually know Him. And you are going to wind up seeing Him do miracles, like perhaps watching a leg grow out in front of you, or maybe some swelling go down under you hands while you pray. Yet it is not even about the miracles but about the personal relationship you have with God/Him.

You will come to know that He speaks to you via His Holy Spirit, who does not speak on His own but takes the words of God from Jesus Christ (The Word of God) and gives them to your spirit. So you are not looking to the Bible for the words of God but you are looking to Jesus Christ for the words of God. And so you will find out that He is also your Teacher. And as He once told me:

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

So he can't understand that Yahweh is Jesus Christ, and He is called the Word of God, because He has the words of God that the Holy Spirit gets from Him and brings to you. So he can also not understand that Jesus from the beginning does and says only what His Father tells Him. Nor can he understand that all things the Father has belong as a possession, to Jesus Christ and that includes the very words of God and the title of LORD God, and KING! Nor can He understand that God is One, nor the reason behind it being that way!

So he misinterprets the one verse he quotes - thinking that Jesus is not Yahweh, when He is Yahweh, the Lord God. The very Yahweh - "Lord God" in English (but we are using Hebrew because of Spyders pride) and word of the Lord who appears to Abram in a vision. And he does not grasp that Jesus is saying and doing only what His Father tells Him, and the Holy Spirit is not speaking on His own initiative, but is only taking the words of God which have been giving and are owned by Jesus Christ. so that when you hear from the Holy Spirit, you hear from Jesus Christ (Yahweh), and that when you hear from Him you hear the words that came from His Father. So that when you hear from God you hear from One God (Jesus Christ) and in doing that you hear the words that came from One God!

So Spyder did not understand this either:

Mat 11:27 “All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Spyder missed it all, simply because he does not seek Jesus Christ and listen to Him!

If he had been doing that, he would have understood that Jesus to this day only does and speaks the words He got from His Father, so when knowing Jesus Christ personally, you don't know Him but He Father. And that through the Holy Spirit, who does not promote Himself but only glorifies the Son, Jesus Christ, by taking His words that were given to Him by His Father. So you do know Jesus Christ - He is the One Lord, King, and God, who is not willing to speak a word of His own, but only does the will of His Father. What an incredible guy!!

I can't do that, because I too have some pride (desire to do what I want to do). But I can get myself to preach Him, Jesus Christ, and proclaim that He is Understanding, that we all need to listen to Him, and that He is always there to talk to anyone who is willing to listen to Him, and that is exactly what the Scriptures were written to tell you!! But you are not willing to listen!!!


Ps 81:8 “Hear, O My people, and I will admonish you;
O Israel, if you would listen to Me!
Ps 81:11 “But My people did not listen to My voice,
And Israel did not obey Me.

 

[Karl Peters]

I agree with much of what you say, but i just wanted to confirm that you really don't believe that God actually talks to people. The last time that God spoke to a ma was 2000 years ago when He gave the Apostle John His revelation.
There haven't been any recorded instances of God speaking with a man, since then.

So I can only assume that you mean, God speaks to you when you read the Bible. The Bible is Gods Word so God speaks to man through the bible but we don't hear an actual voice speaking to us. So all of us hear the same old message from 2000 years ago, and it's still fresh and just as much alive as it was back then.

My Pastor told us that God has been silent for the past 2000 years, he said if anyone claims to have new revelation or they heard God speaking to them, it's demonic delusion. The Muslims believe that their Prophet Mohammad was the last person to speak with God, that's what the Koran teaches them and and they believe it Christians believe that Jesus is God and the last person to hear from Him was the Apostle John.

My Pastor said that Jesus said everything He wanted to say while He was on the earth. Jesus said it is finished, so if anyone comes along and claims otherwise they are from the Devil. In any case we can't even process what He said 2000 years ago, let alone adding more confusion into the mix. It just foolish to ask from more while we can't eat what's already on our plate.

The Bible is not "God's Word"!!!

You can call it that because that is just a case of semantics, and I am not here to argue about semantics. However the Bible refers to Jesus Christ as "The Word of God". I mean; you did actually read the Bible, did you not?"

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Of course the above verse is from Revelation, so apparently were some early Christians that also needed this explained to them. So don't feel bad that you have missed this revelation about Jesus Christ. Yet God reproves those He loves and give us understanding - and He asked me to come post on this for you and others who still don't understand that Jesus Christ is the Word of God because He talks to us via His Holy Spirit!!

So let me next point out Romans 10:

Rom 10:4-8 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),
or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”
But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

The above shows where Paul had to discuss this same issue with the Jews in Rome. And Paul writes about them, "For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge." (Rom 10:2) and this is a pretty good description of where you are at. You have a zeal for the Lord our God, Jesus Christ, but do not actually know Him (just like the Romans Paul was writing to).

So, Paul explained that trying to live according to the rules and such (The Law) in the Scriptures is not the end of it. Jesus Christ is the end of the law of righteousness. Which is to say that His sheep hear His voice, which is always nears us, and we do (or at least try to) do what He tells us personally! Yet some people are saying in their heart that Jesus Christ is either still dead or in a far off place called heaven, and so think that He left us the Bible as a rule book, to follow. But the truth is that His word are always near us, because God is omni-present, so we hear His Holy Spirit speaking to our spirit, and that in words that we pick up in our mouth and in our heart.

Have you not heard about the small voice of God speaking to people? That is Him, Jesus Christ (The Word of God) speaking to people Today! So according to the Bible, the Word of God we are preaching is that small voice, that we sometimes don't realize is speaking to us until we find His words coming out our mouth!

Now let us take a look at the Old Testament and we will find that 'the word of the Lord" (or Word of God) was the One (the Christ) speaking to the writers of the Old Testament too!

Gen 15:1 "After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, ..."

So what was the name of the One who appeared to Abram in that vision? He was the 'word of the LORD'! Note that a 'word' is something spoken and not One speaking, unless that is the name of the One speaking. So while Jesus (God's Salvation) had not yet gone to the cross for our salvation, He was still the Word of God! That is what they called Him! The verse could read, "After these things Jesus Christ appeared to Abram in a vision, saying..." except for the fact that the Christ's name Jesus refers to Him saving us, where as "The Word of God" refers to Him speaking to men.

So we find Him called 'the word of the Lord' all though the Old Testament!

Gen 15:4 Then behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying,
Sam 15:10 Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying,
2 Sam 7:4 But in the same night the word of the LORD came to Nathan, saying,
2 Sam 24:11When David arose in the morning, the word of the LORD came to the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying,
2 Kings 6:11 Now the word of the LORD came to Solomon saying,
1 Kings 13:9 “For so it was commanded me by the word of the LORD, saying,

And it is easy to just keep adding to that list. So the One we call Jesus Christ, and whose name is called The Word of God was talking to people according to the Bible - the Sacred Writings. The "Sacred writings" are the Bible, or Scriptures! The Greek word translated "Scriptures" is graphe. And graphe is not translated "Word/ word" in your Bible.

Now that doesn't mean that the people writing the Bible did not hear from the Lord (The Word of God, Jesus Christ) and write down things they heard. They certainly did. But most of the Bible is not actually words from the Word of God!!

Did you not read words in the Bible that were said by Satan himself? So are you now calling Satan's words "The Word of God"? It seems yo are but are just not thinking it through. And here are a few verse that should show the difference between the Sacred Writings and the words of God, that come from The Word of God (Jesus Christ)

Jn 5:39,40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

In the above verse we find a huge problem Jesus ran into while in the flesh. The Jews (the choosen people) in general were searching the Scriptures because they were thinking that was giving them eternal life, yet they did not actually come to Jesus Christ for life! If it was a problem then, it will be a problem today, and the Scriptures were given to us to help us understanding that we need to personally seek Jesus Christ and listen to Him Today.

Jn 5:46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

A couple of interesting things from the above 2 small verses. On is that Jesus Christ himself was calling the first five books of our Bible the writings of Moses! And also that Jesus was making a distinction between the writings of Moses and actually listening to His words! Note: It was not only Paul who explained the Word of God is near us, but that came from Moses.:

Deut 30:11 -14 “For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.
“It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’
“Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’
“But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.

So what I am writing to you was explained to the Israelites back then also. Yet it had a sad part too. And that is that even with the explanation, they still would not listen!

Deut 8:20 “Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.

Ps 81:11 “But My people did not listen to My voice,
And Israel did not obey Me.

So it was that a few listened to Him, but in general His people did not listen to Him!! And it is written that there is nothing new under the sun. And this explains why there are not so many like me, telling others to believe in Him and actually listen to Jesus Christ via His Holy Spirit speaking to us personally, and far more saying the reading the Bible is listening to Him.

He will talk to you about your Bible and even tell you to read it, but He will talk to you sooooo much more about all the little things that make up your life, because your life is soooo much more than a couple of thousand pages can cover!!!

 

[Karl Peters]

People, the reason we don't want to call the Scriptures the Word of God is that the Scriptures can't love you!!

 

[Christian Soldier]

The Bible is not "God's Word"!!!

You can call it that because that is just a case of semantics, and I am not here to argue about semantics. However the Bible refers to Jesus Christ as "The Word of God". I mean; you did actually read the Bible, did you not?"

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Of course the above verse is from Revelation, so apparently were some early Christians that also needed this explained to them. So don't feel bad that you have missed this revelation about Jesus Christ. Yet God reproves those He loves and give us understanding - and He asked me to come post on this for you and others who still don't understand that Jesus Christ is the Word of God because He talks to us via His Holy Spirit!!

So let me next point out Romans 10:

Rom 10:4-8 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),
or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”
But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

The above shows where Paul had to discuss this same issue with the Jews in Rome. And Paul writes about them, "For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge." (Rom 10:2) and this is a pretty good description of where you are at. You have a zeal for the Lord our God, Jesus Christ, but do not actually know Him (just like the Romans Paul was writing to).

So, Paul explained that trying to live according to the rules and such (The Law) in the Scriptures is not the end of it. Jesus Christ is the end of the law of righteousness. Which is to say that His sheep hear His voice, which is always nears us, and we do (or at least try to) do what He tells us personally! Yet some people are saying in their heart that Jesus Christ is either still dead or in a far off place called heaven, and so think that He left us the Bible as a rule book, to follow. But the truth is that His word are always near us, because God is omni-present, so we hear His Holy Spirit speaking to our spirit, and that in words that we pick up in our mouth and in our heart.

Have you not heard about the small voice of God speaking to people? That is Him, Jesus Christ (The Word of God) speaking to people Today! So according to the Bible, the Word of God we are preaching is that small voice, that we sometimes don't realize is speaking to us until we find His words coming out our mouth!

Now let us take a look at the Old Testament and we will find that 'the word of the Lord" (or Word of God) was the One (the Christ) speaking to the writers of the Old Testament too!

Gen 15:1 "After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, ..."

So what was the name of the One who appeared to Abram in that vision? He was the 'word of the LORD'! Note that a 'word' is something spoken and not One speaking, unless that is the name of the One speaking. So while Jesus (God's Salvation) had not yet gone to the cross for our salvation, He was still the Word of God! That is what they called Him! The verse could read, "After these things Jesus Christ appeared to Abram in a vision, saying..." except for the fact that the Christ's name Jesus refers to Him saving us, where as "The Word of God" refers to Him speaking to men.

So we find Him called 'the word of the Lord' all though the Old Testament!

Gen 15:4 Then behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying,
Sam 15:10 Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying,
2 Sam 7:4 But in the same night the word of the LORD came to Nathan, saying,
2 Sam 24:11When David arose in the morning, the word of the LORD came to the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying,
2 Kings 6:11 Now the word of the LORD came to Solomon saying,
1 Kings 13:9 “For so it was commanded me by the word of the LORD, saying,

And it is easy to just keep adding to that list. So the One we call Jesus Christ, and whose name is called The Word of God was talking to people according to the Bible - the Sacred Writings. The "Sacred writings" are the Bible, or Scriptures! The Greek word translated "Scriptures" is graphe. And graphe is not translated "Word/ word" in your Bible.

Now that doesn't mean that the people writing the Bible did not hear from the Lord (The Word of God, Jesus Christ) and write down things they heard. They certainly did. But most of the Bible is not actually words from the Word of God!!

Did you not read words in the Bible that were said by Satan himself? So are you now calling Satan's words "The Word of God"? It seems yo are but are just not thinking it through. And here are a few verse that should show the difference between the Sacred Writings and the words of God, that come from The Word of God (Jesus Christ)

Jn 5:39,40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

In the above verse we find a huge problem Jesus ran into while in the flesh. The Jews (the choosen people) in general were searching the Scriptures because they were thinking that was giving them eternal life, yet they did not actually come to Jesus Christ for life! If it was a problem then, it will be a problem today, and the Scriptures were given to us to help us understanding that we need to personally seek Jesus Christ and listen to Him Today.

Jn 5:46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

A couple of interesting things from the above 2 small verses. On is that Jesus Christ himself was calling the first five books of our Bible the writings of Moses! And also that Jesus was making a distinction between the writings of Moses and actually listening to His words! Note: It was not only Paul who explained the Word of God is near us, but that came from Moses.:

Deut 30:11 -14 “For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.
“It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’
“Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’
“But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.

So what I am writing to you was explained to the Israelites back then also. Yet it had a sad part too. And that is that even with the explanation, they still would not listen!

Deut 8:20 “Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.

Ps 81:11 “But My people did not listen to My voice,
And Israel did not obey Me.

So it was that a few listened to Him, but in general His people did not listen to Him!! And it is written that there is nothing new under the sun. And this explains why there are not so many like me, telling others to believe in Him and actually listen to Jesus Christ via His Holy Spirit speaking to us personally, and far more saying the reading the Bible is listening to Him.

He will talk to you about your Bible and even tell you to read it, but He will talk to you sooooo much more about all the little things that make up your life, because your life is soooo much more than a couple of thousand pages can cover!!!

My Pastor told me that everything you have written here is nonsense, as it contradicts everything Christ Himself said.

Jesus said John 16:5 “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’

Jesus departed from the earth 2000 years ago, He has been in heaven ever since. He has not spoken a single word since. So all this stuff about speaking to Him, is self delusion at best and it could be your speaking with a Devil coming to you as an Angel of light. Don't you know the enemy does this to deceive people like you who ignore the warning Jesus gave us.

My Pastor said, you've either been speaking to Devils or you may have some kind of illusions as the result of side effects of medicine or it could be some kind of mental issue. But in any case we know Jesus hasn't said a Word for the past 2000 years, and those who think they heard Him talking to them are under strong delusion.

Jesus said everything He had to say, 2000 years ago. The last person He spoke to was the Apostle John. Jesus actually warned that false Christs would come after Him, claiming to be Him and that's exactly what your experiencing. You have come under strong delusion, my friend. If you are hearing voices in your head, you should seek medical advice.

God gave us the Bible for our benefit, it has the same 2000 year old message in it, which has served to teach and instruct every generation for the past 2000 years. There never were any extra biblical revelations given, nor has Jesus ever visited or spoken to anyone for the past 2000 years. All of that stuff is Demonic, and it should be repented of.

The Bible is Gods Word, we don't have anything else to teach or instruct us, so lets not make stuff up as it's disrespectful to God.

 

[Karl Peters]

My Pastor told me that everything you have written here is nonsense, as it contradicts everything Christ Himself said.

Jesus said John 16:5 “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’

Jesus departed from the earth 2000 years ago, He has been in heaven ever since. He has not spoken a single word since. So all this stuff about speaking to Him, is self delusion at best and it could be your speaking with a Devil coming to you as an Angel of light. Don't you know the enemy does this to deceive people like you who ignore the warning Jesus gave us.

My Pastor said, you've either been speaking to Devils or you may have some kind of illusions as the result of side effects of medicine or it could be some kind of mental issue. But in any case we know Jesus hasn't said a Word for the past 2000 years, and those who think they heard Him talking to them are under strong delusion.

Jesus said everything He had to say, 2000 years ago. The last person He spoke to was the Apostle John. Jesus actually warned that false Christs would come after Him, claiming to be Him and that's exactly what your experiencing. You have come under strong delusion, my friend. If you are hearing voices in your head, you should seek medical advice.

God gave us the Bible for our benefit, it has the same 2000 year old message in it, which has served to teach and instruct every generation for the past 2000 years. There never were any extra biblical revelations given, nor has Jesus ever visited or spoken to anyone for the past 2000 years. All of that stuff is Demonic, and it should be repented of.

The Bible is Gods Word, we don't have anything else to teach or instruct us, so lets not make stuff up as it's disrespectful to God.

The above is completely opposite of what is actually written in the Bible - and I proved that to you with Scriptures - so you don't even believe what is written - which I also covered with you. And you have rejected what is written, and pretend you are not rejecting what is written. And the real problem is not whether you reject reading the Bible, but that you reject hearing Jesus Christ by faith vis His Holy Spirit - and thus reject Him!! Let me cover what you specifically wrote and how it DOES NOT MATCH WITH THE SCRIPTURES:.

My Pastor told me that everything you have written here is nonsense, as it contradicts everything Christ Himself said.

Have you not read that Jesus Christ is our Pastor, and we are His sheep?

Jn 10: 1-5 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.
“But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep.
“To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
“When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
“A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.”

Jn 10:11“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

So do you hear His voice? Do you know Him as your shepherd?

The preacher at your church is supposed to be preaching Jesus Christ, and Him as the Word of God, like the Scriptures explain!!
Or do you also think John was " disrespectful to God" when he did so?

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

You need to seek the Lord Jesus Christ for yourself, and ask Him what Christian church you need to be in!

Jesus departed from the earth 2000 years ago, He has been in heaven ever since. He has not spoken a single word since

Now the above is exactly what Paul wrote against!! And I already quoted you that Scripture, so you have NO excuse to not know it!

Rom 10:4-8 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),
or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”

You are not preaching the Word of God who is near us, but are preaching another gospel, and Paul wrote about some being "bewitched" who were like that:

Gal 3:1,2 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?
This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

So I guess the only thing, like Paul, that I need to find out from you is whether you "receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?"

Indeed it was the Galatians who were "bewitched" not Paul who 'received the Spirit by hearing with faith'!

So perhaps discernment of spirits needs to be cover with you? What did you write?

My Pastor said, you've either been speaking to Devils or you may have some kind of illusions as the result of side effects of medicine or it could be some kind of mental issue. But in any case we know Jesus hasn't said a Word for the past 2000 years, and those who think they heard Him talking to them are under strong delusion.

Is 1:23 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth;
For the LORD speaks,
“Sons I have reared and brought up,
But they have revolted against Me.
“An ox knows its owner,
And a donkey its master’s manger,
But Israel does not know,
My people do not understand.”

Does not Isaiah seem to be describing you? The LORD speaks!! That is what He does! He does that through His Holy Spirit, just like it is written!

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

The Holy Spirit is not the only spirit around! So we need to know how to discern between good and evil. Yet to discern between them you must be able to hear both and reject evil. So let us consider these verses on discernment:

1 Jn 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

Now above is a very specific test that we are commanded to use. But to use it you must first be able to hear by faith, what the Holy Spirit is telling you, or/and what the spirit of the antichrist is saying!

I personally find it weird when I pick up a spiritual voice with my spiritual ears and ask it to "confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" and hear the response "I can't tell you that." It almost makes me want to laugh.

From what you wrote; I would wonder if your pastor is the one with the problem! Does he practice hearing the Lord Jesus Christ? Have you not read that by practice using your spiritual senses you learn to discern good and evil? Is he even qualified to teach????

Heb 5:11-14 Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God ... But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil

Of course I do not know the pastor at your church, but if he is not practicing using his spiritual senses?

The Scriptures are good for "for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;"(2 Tim 3:16) - but if you don't believe them, how are you going to hear the words of our Lord, Teacher, Pastor, and King - Jesus Christ?

Jn 5: 46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Yet there is good news, for anyone, even those who have not been hearing from Him_

Rev 3:19,20 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

You are an "anyone", so you can accept the reproof He has for you because He love you too, and so repent and open up to Him by seeking Him and hearing what He has to say to you!

It is written that all those who seek find, and also that if you ask the Father for a fish you are not going to get a snake are you? Jesus Christ is that fish. That was the symbol the early Christians used for Him. Seek Him and you will find Him, and He opens up ears to hear!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Have you not read that Jesus Christ is our Pastor, and we are His sheep?

Jn 10: 1-5 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.
“But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep.
“To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
“When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice.
“A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.”

Jn 10:11“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

So do you hear His voice? Do you know Him as your shepherd?

The preacher at your church is supposed to be preaching Jesus Christ, and Him as the Word of God, like the Scriptures explain!!
Or do you also think John was " disrespectful to God" when he did so?

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

You need to seek the Lord Jesus Christ for yourself, and ask Him what Christian church you need to be in!

What you're trying to say doesn't make any sense, because you're taking a parable and applying it in a literal sense. Taking gods Word out of it's intended context always leads to confusion and false doctrine as you have demonstrated here.

You need to learn how to distinguish metaphoric and symbolic language from the literal language. If your Pastor didn't tech you that then, I would suggest you look for a faithful Pastor who will teach you the basics so you don't get lost in confusion as your currently displaying here.

I have asked you to cite one single instance where God spoke to someone in the last 2000 years, you didn't provide the evidence because you know that no such thing has ever happened. There's no point in referring to unrelated scriptures in an attempt to give your false doctrine some credibility. As an Elect Saint of God, I have been given the gift of discernment, I know false doctrine when I hear it.

None of what you claim is supported by the bible, it's all your own private opinion.

 

[Karl Peters]

What you're trying to say doesn't make any sense, because you're taking a parable and applying it in a literal sense. Taking gods Word out of it's intended context always leads to confusion and false doctrine as you have demonstrated here.

You need to learn how to distinguish metaphoric and symbolic language from the literal language. If your Pastor didn't tech you that then, I would suggest you look for a faithful Pastor who will teach you the basics so you don't get lost in confusion as your currently displaying here.

I have asked you to cite one single instance where God spoke to someone in the last 2000 years, you didn't provide the evidence because you know that no such thing has ever happened. There's no point in referring to unrelated scriptures in an attempt to give your false doctrine some credibility. As an Elect Saint of God, I have been given the gift of discernment, I know false doctrine when I hear it.

None of what you claim is supported by the bible, it's all your own private opinion.

Ha - How many verses did I just give you to support it? And then look at how many verses you have to support what you have? And I provided explanations for them. I counted 18 on my last post and 1 from you last 2 posts.

But let me deal with that "1" verse that you had. It was:

John 16:5 “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?

It is written:
Jn 1:1 - 3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

So, Jesus Christ was around from the beginning and all things were made through Him! And He took on flesh. And men did not accept Him, so they killed Him on the cross. But death did not prevail, and He rose again, and ascended back to the throne of God, because He was already the King over the kingdom of heaven. Now honestly, did they not explain all this to you?

Jn 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Ps 2:6 “But as for Me, I have [fn]installed My King
Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”

Jn 18:37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

Acts 1:9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

What I guess you apparently are missing is that Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and all the writers of Scriptures, along with numerous others, all heard His voice both before He took on flesh and after He ascended back to the throne

So perhaps you need a couple more verse and explanation to reprove you thinking - because you are really miss it - and that is that our salvation is based upon Jesus Christ and not the Scriptures!

Luke 17:21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!' or, ‘There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

You fail to understand that while Jesus Christ is on the throne in the Kingdom of God (again note that the Word is God - Jn 1:), the Kingdom of God is in our midst!! So friend, you can find Him in your midst!!! He said He would never leave us!

Heb 13:5 Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, “I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,”

And He accomplishes that by sending His Holy Spirit to dwell in us so that we are the temple of God! Perhaps you should have read a few more verses after the verse you quoted!

Jn 16:7 “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

Now perhaps you are thinking that you have the Holy Spirit but not Him and His words, yet God is One, and the Holy Spirit does not speak on His own, but rather takes the words of God, which belong to Jesus Christ, because His Father gave Him all things, including the words of God, and the Holy Spirit thus brings His words to you personally!!!

You have a phone, right. That phone does not speak on it's own initiative but takes the words of who you are talking to and gives them to you. That is what the Holy Spirit does. So you might say you are on the phone but you don't say you are talking to the phone. In the same way someone might say they are in the Spirit, but they should not be saying they are talking to the Spirit, because the words you are hearing are not the Holy Spirit speaking on His own! This is also explain in that same chapter you quoted from!

Jn 16: 13-15 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
“He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
“All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

Now the real problem you have is the problem I brought up in the OP. And that is that people, all people, have a tendency to not want to listen to Him!! And that is because of their pride!!

Because of our pride, we don't want reproof!!!!

Because of our pride find it insulting that someone, anyone even God, would correct us and our thinking!!!

It is silly, but it is true. We are all like that to some degree, and the degree is the degree that pride controls us. Yet we need the reproof, especially if it comes from God, and the Word of God (Jesus Christ) is the truth. We need the Truth, in our lives. And He is just standing there trying to get our attention, but we must first want the reproof He has and that only happens if we repent of our ways!

Rev 3:19,20 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Again, the above is the good news we have for people! If they want the love, reproof, and discipline, our Lord Jesus Christ has for them, all they need to do is repent and be zealous for Him, so that they will listen to Him! Because He is always standing at the door of heaven looking to come in and help us out, by talking back and forth with us!!!

Is 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the instruction of our God,
You people of Gomorrah.

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

So that reasoning with the word of the LORD, was possible back when Isaiah wrote, and so before the Word took on flesh, and also after the Word ascended back to the throne in the Kingdom of God. Which of course is why Paul explained to the Romans (and I quoted it to you) to not say in your heart that Jesus Christ (The Word of God) is either dead or in some far off place called heaven, because the Word of God we preach (Jesus Christ) is found near us, in our mouth and in our hearts. That is where we find to this day (Today) the Lord speaking to us, because His Holy Spirit comes with His words for us personally!! Of did you not read:

Heb 3:7,8 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,
“TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME,
AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,

Now I have spent a lot of time, to write you like He asked me to, so that you might repent of your ways and start listening to Him for yourself. He is standing there looking to talk back and forth with you via His Holy Spirit Today!!

Since you apparently have never heard from Him before, you might want to ask Jesus to come into your life now. And since He is faithful, and since it is written " if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him" you are also going to need to do some listening to Him!! That is done by faith, so keep your questions easy to believe for at first. Try this question:

Jesus Christ, how do you feel about me? or perhaps, "Jesus Christ, is there anyone I need to forgive?" And the pay close attention to what comes to you! He is not slow to answer like you think, because He is always right there in you midst. So ask and consider that He answers at least a quickly as a person who is with you! You might think it is you, but do you make a habit of answering yourself?

So ask Him, and listen. And if you need more help with it, you can write me personally through this forum. Of courses, you should also be able to get help with this at most Christian churches, but not that all seven churches written to in the book Revelation has the same problem in that they were all told, ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’ So don't be surprised when a religious spirit get some control over the pastor at a church, and uses him to keep those with and ear to hear, hearing what the Spirit has to say!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Ha - How many verses did I just give you to support it? And then look at how many verses you have to support what you have? And I provided explanations for them. I counted 18 on my last post and 1 from you last 2 posts.

But let me deal with that "1" verse that you had. It was:



It is written:
Jn 1:1 - 3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

So, Jesus Christ was around from the beginning and all things were made through Him! And He took on flesh. And men did not accept Him, so they killed Him on the cross. But death did not prevail, and He rose again, and ascended back to the throne of God, because He was already the King over the kingdom of heaven. Now honestly, did they not explain all this to you?

Jn 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Ps 2:6 “But as for Me, I have [fn]installed My King
Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”

Jn 18:37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

Acts 1:9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

What I guess you apparently are missing is that Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and all the writers of Scriptures, along with numerous others, all heard His voice both before He took on flesh and after He ascended back to the throne

So perhaps you need a couple more verse and explanation to reprove you thinking - because you are really miss it - and that is that our salvation is based upon Jesus Christ and not the Scriptures!

Luke 17:21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!' or, ‘There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

You fail to understand that while Jesus Christ is on the throne in the Kingdom of God (again note that the Word is God - Jn 1:), the Kingdom of God is in our midst!! So friend, you can find Him in your midst!!! He said He would never leave us!

Heb 13:5 Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, “I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,”

And He accomplishes that by sending His Holy Spirit to dwell in us so that we are the temple of God! Perhaps you should have read a few more verses after the verse you quoted!

Jn 16:7 “But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

Again, the above is the good news we have for people! If they want the love, reproof, and discipline, our Lord Jesus Christ has for them, all they need to do is repent and be zealous for Him, so that they will listen to Him! Because He is always standing at the door of heaven looking to come in and help us out, by talking back and forth with us!!!

Is 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the instruction of our God,
You people of Gomorrah.

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

So that reasoning with the word of the LORD, was possible back when Isaiah wrote, and so before the Word took on flesh, and also after the Word ascended back to the throne in the Kingdom of God. Which of course is why Paul explained to the Romans (and I quoted it to you) to not say in your heart that Jesus Christ (The Word of God) is either dead or in some far off place called heaven, because the Word of God we preach (Jesus Christ) is found near us, in our mouth and in our hearts. That is where we find to this day (Today) the Lord speaking to us, because His Holy Spirit comes with His words for us personally!! Of did you not read:

Heb 3:7,8 Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says,
“TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME,
AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,

Now I have spent a lot of time, to write you like He asked me to, so that you might repent of your ways and start listening to Him for yourself. He is standing there looking to talk back and forth with you via His Holy Spirit Today!!

Since you apparently have never heard from Him before, you might want to ask Jesus to come into your life now. And since He is faithful, and since it is written " if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him" you are also going to need to do some listening to Him!! That is done by faith, so keep your questions easy to believe for at first. Try this question:

Jesus Christ, how do you feel about me? or perhaps, "Jesus Christ, is there anyone I need to forgive?" And the pay close attention to what comes to you! He is not slow to answer like you think, because He is always right there in you midst. So ask and consider that He answers at least a quickly as a person who is with you! You might think it is you, but do you make a habit of answering yourself?

So ask Him, and listen. And if you need more help with it, you can write me personally through this forum. Of courses, you should also be able to get help with this at most Christian churches, but not that all seven churches written to in the book Revelation has the same problem in that they were all told, ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’ So don't be surprised when a religious spirit get some control over the pastor at a church, and uses him to keep those with and ear to hear, hearing what the Spirit has to say!

Thank you for taking the time to share what you believe, although you referred to many scriptures, not a single one of them confirms that Christ has ever spoken a word to us in the past 2000 years. That was my point and you failed to provide any evidence to the contrary.

Having said that, I do know that some scriptures say things like if you hear my voice. Those are simply saying, if you hear the gospel being preached from the bible you will hear me my Words. That obviously doesn't mean we hear Christ in the present, we hear the Words He spoke 2000 years ago and understand them as if they are being spoken to us in the present. That's all it means to hear His, voice and nothing more.

My Pastor was right, when he said "if anyone claims to hear His voice or speak with Him, they are either effected by drugs, or they are speaking with a Demon or they have some other mental health problem. But they are certainly not speaking with the Lord Jesus Christ, as He has been silent for the past 2000 years.

All we have is the Bible, it speaks to us in a way that when it is preached or studied we learn what God said thousands of years ago and it's till valid today, to reveal what He said thousands of years ago. The canon of scripture was closed 2000 years ago and no new revelation or words have come from God, since then.

I would agree with what you say if you provided one single shred of evidence to support your opinion, but I see you gave it your best and came up with nothing, but self delusion.

You need to learn how to rightly divide the Word of God, I would suggest you first learn the difference between metaphoric and symbolic and literal language as used in the bible. When you get the concept right then you can consider all those verses you cited in their intended context.

The reason we have so many different interpretations, is because people don't take the time to consider what the intended context is. To do that you need to consider what the rest of the bible says about a given scripture and then consider the particular doctrine according to all the others places where it is mentioned and they must all line up and not contradict each other.

I can give you a truck load of verses to prove your error, let me know if you would like them. But I'm sure I have already thoroughly debunked your doctrine, without even pulling out the big guns.

 

[Karl Peters]

Thank you for taking the time to share what you believe, although you referred to many scriptures, not a single one of them confirms that Christ has ever spoken a word to us in the past 2000 years. That was my point and you failed to provide any evidence to the contrary.

Having said that, I do know that some scriptures say things like if you hear my voice. Those are simply saying, if you hear the gospel being preached from the bible you will hear me my Words. That obviously doesn't mean we hear Christ in the present, we hear the Words He spoke 2000 years ago and understand them as if they are being spoken to us in the present. That's all it means to hear His, voice and nothing more.

My Pastor was right, when he said "if anyone claims to hear His voice or speak with Him, they are either effected by drugs, or they are speaking with a Demon or they have some other mental health problem. But they are certainly not speaking with the Lord Jesus Christ, as He has been silent for the past 2000 years.

All we have is the Bible, it speaks to us in a way that when it is preached or studied we learn what God said thousands of years ago and it's till valid today, to reveal what He said thousands of years ago. The canon of scripture was closed 2000 years ago and no new revelation or words have come from God, since then.

I would agree with what you say if you provided one single shred of evidence to support your opinion, but I see you gave it your best and came up with nothing, but self delusion.

You need to learn how to rightly divide the Word of God, I would suggest you first learn the difference between metaphoric and symbolic and literal language as used in the bible. When you get the concept right then you can consider all those verses you cited in their intended context.

The reason we have so many different interpretations, is because people don't take the time to consider what the intended context is. To do that you need to consider what the rest of the bible says about a given scripture and then consider the particular doctrine according to all the others places where it is mentioned and they must all line up and not contradict each other.

I can give you a truck load of verses to prove your error, let me know if you would like them. But I'm sure I have already thoroughly debunked your doctrine, without even pulling out the big guns.

If you could have provided a verse to back up what you wrote, why didn't you? You are supposedly into the Bible, right? And every single verse I provided points to God speaking to us Today. To say they don't means you have to think everything changed the moment the Bible stopped being written! Adam and Eve heard from God. Even Cane heard from God after he murdered his brother:

Gen 4:9 Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” And he said, “I do not know. Am I my brother's keeper?”

Of course Noah heard from God. Abraham heard from God. Moses heard from God. Israel heard from God. Samuel heard from God, though it was rare in those days.

1 Sam 3:1 Now the boy Samuel was ministering to the LORD before Eli. And word from the LORD was rare in those days, visions were infrequent.

All the prophets heard from the Lord, The disciples heard from the Lord. Paul and the early Christians heard from the Lord, And that includes John who wrote the last book in the Bible; Revelation. and pointed out that all those seven churches written to were to let those with an ear to hear, hear what the Spirit (who does not speak on His own but take the words of God from Jesus Christ, the Word of God) a speaks them. So since that was happening all during the thousand years all though and to the very end of the Sacred Writings, and you still think it now doesn't happen?

Have you never ever heard about that small voice, from talking to Christians?? Well, even if you have not, now you have!! And you have all the Bible to confirm it is true, - and I took many of the verses to back it up. So why do you just refuse to accept the proof and testimony that is though out the Bible, and from Christian like me, Today?

It can tell you. Because of your pride you have acted just like those in the Bible who it is written of:

Jer 6:10 To whom shall I speak and give warning
That they may hear?
Behold, their ears are closed
And they cannot listen.
Behold, the word of the LORD has become a reproach to them;
They have no delight in it.

And that, not hearing with their spiritual ears, is also though out the Bible:

Exe 12:2 “Son of man, you live in the midst of the rebellious house, who have eyes to see but do not see, ears to hear but do not hear; for they are a rebellious house.

And the problem you are going to run into, to your own demise, is the we are saved by faith and faith comes from hearing the Lord!

Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”

So according to the Scriptures, you are going to be disappointed! Many on that day are going to try and tell Him about what they have done for Him, but He is going to tell many that He never knew them!!! He does not lie, so if you indeed know Him - and we all understand that we get to know people by talking back and forth with them, you will be saved but if you don't actually know Him because you are not talking back and forth with Him by faith - faith that He is there to speak to you personally, then He is going to tell you that He never knew you, and that when you needed to know Him the most!

Mat 7:23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

So you can be stubborn and insist the He is not there to be heard from , but it will cost you in a way that will get you into hell forever, in that day.

Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.

Mat 7:26,27 “Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”

He of course created you with free will, so the choice is yours. But you might want to actually believe what is written in the Bible and seek out Jesus Christ and listen to Him via His Holy Spirit. I told you how, and it is as easy as seeking Him and listening in your spirit, but that takes faith, a faith that believe He is there to be heard from. He is there to be heard from!! I know sooooooooooo many Christian who do know Him. Sadly, too many are not as bold about preaching Jesus Christ as I am, but many are, and all His sheep hear His voice - that small voice of His.

 

[Christian Soldier]

If you could have provided a verse to back up what you wrote, why didn't you? You are supposedly into the Bible, right? And every single verse I provided points to God speaking to us Today. To say they don't means you have to think everything changed the moment the Bible stopped being written! Adam and Eve heard from God. Even Cane heard from God after he murdered his brother:

Gen 4:9 Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” And he said, “I do not know. Am I my brother's keeper?”

Of course Noah heard from God. Abraham heard from God. Moses heard from God. Israel heard from God. Samuel heard from God, though it was rare in those days.

1 Sam 3:1 Now the boy Samuel was ministering to the LORD before Eli. And word from the LORD was rare in those days, visions were infrequent.

All the prophets heard from the Lord, The disciples heard from the Lord. Paul and the early Christians heard from the Lord, And that includes John who wrote the last book in the Bible; Revelation. and pointed out that all those seven churches written to were to let those with an ear to hear, hear what the Spirit (who does not speak on His own but take the words of God from Jesus Christ, the Word of God) a speaks them. So since that was happening all during the thousand years all though and to the very end of the Sacred Writings, and you still think it now doesn't happen?

Have you never ever heard about that small voice, from talking to Christians?? Well, even if you have not, now you have!! And you have all the Bible to confirm it is true, - and I took many of the verses to back it up. So why do you just refuse to accept the proof and testimony that is though out the Bible, and from Christian like me, Today?

It can tell you. Because of your pride you have acted just like those in the Bible who it is written of:

Jer 6:10 To whom shall I speak and give warning
That they may hear?
Behold, their ears are closed
And they cannot listen.
Behold, the word of the LORD has become a reproach to them;
They have no delight in it.

And that, not hearing with their spiritual ears, is also though out the Bible:

Exe 12:2 “Son of man, you live in the midst of the rebellious house, who have eyes to see but do not see, ears to hear but do not hear; for they are a rebellious house.

And the problem you are going to run into, to your own demise, is the we are saved by faith and faith comes from hearing the Lord!

Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”

So according to the Scriptures, you are going to be disappointed! Many on that day are going to try and tell Him about what they have done for Him, but He is going to tell many that He never knew them!!! He does not lie, so if you indeed know Him - and we all understand that we get to know people by talking back and forth with them, you will be saved but if you don't actually know Him because you are not talking back and forth with Him by faith - faith that He is there to speak to you personally, then He is going to tell you that He never knew you, and that when you needed to know Him the most!

Mat 7:23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

So you can be stubborn and insist the He is not there to be heard from , but it will cost you in a way that will get you into hell forever, in that day.

Mat 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.

Mat 7:26,27 “Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
“The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”

He of course created you with free will, so the choice is yours. But you might want to actually believe what is written in the Bible and seek out Jesus Christ and listen to Him via His Holy Spirit. I told you how, and it is as easy as seeking Him and listening in your spirit, but that takes faith, a faith that believe He is there to be heard from. He is there to be heard from!! I know sooooooooooo many Christian who do know Him. Sadly, too many are not as bold about preaching Jesus Christ as I am, but many are, and all His sheep hear His voice - that small voice of His.

Why do you keep giving examples of God speaking in bible times, nobody is that foolish to deny that. But you keep failing to defend this lie that Jesus has spoken with somebody in he past 2000 years. You know that's a lie because you know Jesus has never come back to speak to anyone.

I'm offering my hose to anyone who can show evidence that Jesus has spoken in the last 2000 years. All we have is the old bible and a bunch of deluded fools who hear Demonic voices.

Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;

19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

So you can see what Jesus will do to those like you who add to what He said or take away from what He said.

Jude 3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.

4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

I'm not going to drown you in verses exposing you false doctrine. Lets see how you deny the word of God with these few first.

 

[Karl Peters]

Why do you keep giving examples of God speaking in bible times, nobody is that foolish to deny that. But you keep failing to defend this lie that Jesus has spoken with somebody in he past 2000 years. You know that's a lie because you know Jesus has never come back to speak to anyone.
....

Concerning the above post - If a person denies the existence of Jesus Christ, they don't believe in Him! And He is The Word of God! That is His name!! (Rev 19:13)

Now we find some great verses quoted by 'Christian Soldier', but of course if He does not listen to the voice of the Lord then He does not have understanding of them. And 'Christian Soldier' has written:

not a single one of them confirms that Christ has ever spoken a word to us in the past 2000 years.

and

But they are certainly not speaking with the Lord Jesus Christ, as He has been silent for the past 2000 years.

So by his own admission, he does not hear from the Lord Jesus Christ, not does He believe that anyone has heard from Him for the past 2000 years. And that is a problem because it is written:

2 Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

So whether he realizes it or not, he has not heard from words coming out the mouth of the Lord, but has only read words the others heard coming out His mouth.

So let us go over those verses in the context or a belief that God does not speak to us Today, and compared to a belief that God can and does speak to us Today, like He did for all the writers of the Bible!

'Christian Soldier' quoted: Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;

There are still no other books after the book of Revelation in my Bible! Yet from hearing the Lord, I am being told to check out the next verse, because "Christian Soldier" has missed the importance of it:

Rev 22:19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Now this is the problem that 'Christian Soldier' has. He is taking away from the book of Revelation in many ways! For example; it is written:

Rev 3:19 - 22‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

That is to say, "Christian Soldier", who does not believe Jesus is there speaking to us Today, is in fact that a person who is changing and 'taking away from' the book 'Revelation'!! It is a spirit opposite of what John wrote about, even to all seven churches, which was 'let those who have an ear to hear, hear what the Holy Spirit has to say'

"Christian Soldier". and apparently his pastor also, are trying to keep those with an ear to hear from hearing what the Holy Spirit has to say!!! He is trying to take away what John had written to the churches!!! So the part of the verse which reads "God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book." applies to him.

Jesus said and it was recorded in Jn 8:24 “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

"Christian Soldier" quoted:

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

That describes "Christian Soldier". He has a message of 'unbelief' (that The Lord will not talk to you Today) so he makes Revelation superfluous! There was no reason for John to write to the churches to let those who have an ear hear what the Holy Spirit has to say if He does not speak to us Today. And certainly no reason to have the Bible and keep that writing around, or even read it, if it does not apply Today!

"Christian Soldier" quoted

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

As we have seen, John was right! Do not believe every spirit but test the spirit to see whether they are from God or perhaps a spirit of false prophecy!!! BUT - to actually do the test you must be able to hear from the Holy Spirit!

The test is:

1 Jn 4:2,3 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

So for those who have ears to hear, we can hear from both (either) the spirit that can not confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, or the Holy Spirit who tells you Jesus Christ came in the flesh! And of course if you know Jesus Christ came in the flesh you know that Jesus Christ arose from the dead, ascended onto the throw of God, from where He came from, and that the Kingdom of God is in your midst! Which explains what His sheep still hear His voice by faith Today. It is just that "Christian Soldier" does not believe he can hear Jesus Christ Today, via the Holy Spirit, so he doesn't. He hears from that spirit of false prophecy which denies Jesus Christ is Lord. Or have we not also read this verse also:

1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

So he doesn't confess Jesus Christ is His Lord, because a Lord is clearly someone who gives instructions to us, and he confesses he does not hear from Jesus Christ!

Now he also quoted:

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

We have a Teacher, One Teacher!

Mat 23:8 “But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.

So He, our Teacher, will teach us and will use the Scriptures at times, because as written above, they are " inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

Indeed, the very first words I heard from Him were, "Read Your Bible". But the Bible is not Him. He was the One who told me to "Read Your Bible"! But not just that He also told me:

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

If all you depend on is the textbook, and don't actually listen to the Teacher, the you are not getting out of the textbook/Bible what you should, because He, the Teacher, who is good because God alone is good, is not teaching you, not reproving you, not correction you, and not training you up in righteousness, so you are not a man of God, and not adequately equipped for the good work that He (our Lord God) has for you to do!!

Indeed, you have no calling if you have not heard Him and you have not heard Him if you believe He has not spoken to anyone in the last 2000 years!!

But I testify that I have a calling. He told me personally, "Karl, I want you to preach the Word, but not as it is so often preached Today. I want you to preach I AM The Word of God"!

And He also told me to read Ezek 3

Ezek 3:3-8 He said to me, “Son of man, feed your stomach and fill your body with this scroll which I am giving you.” Then I ate it, and it was sweet as honey in my mouth.
Then He said to me, “Son of man, go to the house of Israel and speak with My words to them.
“For you are not being sent to a people of unintelligible speech or difficult language, but to the house of Israel,
nor to many peoples of unintelligible speech or difficult language, whose words you cannot understand. But I have sent you to them [who should listen to you;
yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate.
“Behold, I have made your face as hard as their faces and your forehead as hard as their foreheads.

And He told me something similar.

So it is that I come and post here, as commanded me. And I tell people to listen to Him, but many like 'Christian Soldier' are unwilling to listen to me, because they are unwilling to listen to Him.

So what will it be, 'Christian Soldier'? On that day when you tell Him what you did in His name will He call you His friend because you spent much time walking and talking with Him, or will He tell you that He never knew you, because you didn't spend time walking and talking with Him by faith?

 

[Karl Peters]

People:; If you don't know Jesus Christ, you don't know Him!! He is not your Lord, if you don't know Him!

His sheep hear His voice, and saying that is not so anymore must means you are denying Him!

Saying the Bible is His Word, but deny what is written in the Bible applies, is showing that you don't believe the Bible is right.

It is written that there is nothing new under the sun. People in the past choose not to listen to Him, even many who read and studied the Scriptures the most. We read about that with the Pharisees, but think they are not people like us. We read about that Pharisee of Pharisees, Saul, and how He was not listening to the Lord, so that when He finally heard the Lord speaking to him, he wound up saying, "Who are you Lord?" It was Jesus, who had already risen back into heaven. And so Saul - now called Paul, wrote most of the New Testament, but some read it thinking Paul was not trying to convince them to be like him the Christian who heard the voice of the Lord, instead of him the ex-Pharisee who did not personally know the Lord.

It is not different now. Real Christians hear from our Lord Jesus Christ, and that is why we confess Him to be our Lord. He walks with us and He talks with us, and He tells us we are His own. - like the Christian song goes. But it is right. He is our Lord, but there are still those into religion instead of into Him personally. They don't hear from Him, and that because their pride has got the best of them. They are devote to themselves being right instead of seeking Jesus Christ for what is right. So we still preach The Word of God meaning Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the message out of the cloud that goes "Listen To Him"!

 

[Karl Peters]

Why do you keep giving examples of God speaking in bible times, nobody is that foolish to deny that. But you keep failing to defend this lie that Jesus has spoken with somebody in he past 2000 years. You know that's a lie because you know Jesus has never come back to speak to anyone.

I'm offering my hose to anyone who can show evidence that Jesus has spoken in the last 2000 years. All we have is the old bible and a bunch of deluded fools who hear Demonic voices.

Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;

19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

So you can see what Jesus will do to those like you who add to what He said or take away from what He said.

Jude 3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.

4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

I'm not going to drown you in verses exposing you false doctrine. Lets see how you deny the word of God with these few first.

Now I covered the basic problem with the above post and "Christian Soldier" thinking that our Lord Jesus Christ doesn't speak to us Today. In fact I cover this numerous places on this thread. From pointing out that the Word of God we preach is near us (Rom 10) to the many places in the Bible which point to the Lord speaking to us, via His Holy Spirit - like:

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

Still I want to cover a few more of the specific vereses and the mistake people have when they don't actually understand that the Word of God we are preaching is near us, and found in our mouth and hearts. If for no other reason than "Christian Soldier" asked me to in the above post.

So I still need to cover these verses he came up with:

Jude 3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints.

First - Jesus means God's salvation! So a person does not have God's salvation if they don't actually have Jesus Christ in their lives and speaking to them via His Holy Spirit! And it takes faith, a faith that believes in Him being there! Consider this verse - Rom 10:17 "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ." - So to "contend earnestly for the faith" means to contend that all would hear from Him! Which is the opposite of what "Christian Soldier" is contending for. He believes that Christ does not speak to anyone anymore.

Next:

Jude 1:4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

The above describes "Christian Soldier" perfectly. He has come is pretending to be a Christian soldier by the very name he choose to represent Him. Yet at the same time he telling you that Jesus Christ is no longer around to hear from. But if that is the case the He, Jesus Christ, cannot be our Master and Lord, because then Jesus could not give us instructions like a master and lord does!

Now to be sure, our Lord Jesus Christ is a very forgiven being, give grace (unmerited favor) to those who earnestly seek Him. But that is for those who do not deny that He is there to hear from, so that they do seek Him and hear Him by faith! - Consider this verses- Gal 3:1,2 "You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?" - and Gal 3:5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

So "Christian Soldier" quotes verses and fails to see they apply to him!

And that my friends is what if means that we find the Word of God in our mouth!!!!!

If you understand, because you have spent time with Him listening to what comes from His mouth - you will come to understand that the Lord is trying to get "Christian Soldier" attention even to try and get salvation to Him. Indeed the Lord has been talking to Him via His Holy Spirit, and that has caused "Christian Soldier" to read the Bible some, to even quote the Bible some, and to even call himself a Christian, but He still fails to realize the awesomeness of God, that the message has been there all the time, yet he still won't believe that the Lord is in fact just standing there trying to get him to open up to Him, our Lord Jesus Christ! "Christian Soldier", just refuses to believe. So the Lord tells me to point this out to Him. Maybe then he will toss his pride aside, repent, and seek our Lord Jesus Christ by a faith that causes him to realize the Jesus was always there as the Word of God, and the Lord Jesus Christ was there for him ("Christian Soldier") personally!!

That is what all Christians realize after they come to know Jesus Christ - that He was there working in their life even before they knew it. Still, some will not toss the pride of theirs and simply turn to Jesus Christ, seeking Him, and trying to listen to Him. Hopefully, with this all explained, "Christian Soldier" will.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Concerning the above post - If a person denies the existence of Jesus Christ, they don't believe in Him! And He is The Word of God! That is His name!! (Rev 19:13)

Now we find some great verses quoted by 'Christian Soldier', but of course if He does not listen to the voice of the Lord then He does not have understanding of them. And 'Christian Soldier' has written:



So by his own admission, he does not hear from the Lord Jesus Christ, not does He believe that anyone has heard from Him for the past 2000 years. And that is a problem because it is written:

2 Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

So whether he realizes it or not, he has not heard from words coming out the mouth of the Lord, but has only read words the others heard coming out His mouth.

So let us go over those verses in the context or a belief that God does not speak to us Today, and compared to a belief that God can and does speak to us Today, like He did for all the writers of the Bible!

'Christian Soldier' quoted: Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;

There are still no other books after the book of Revelation in my Bible! Yet from hearing the Lord, I am being told to check out the next verse, because "Christian Soldier" has missed the importance of it


"Christian Soldier" quoted:

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

"Christian Soldier" quoted

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

As we have seen, John was right! Do not believe every spirit but test the spirit to see whether they are from God or perhaps a spirit of false prophecy!!! BUT - to actually do the test you must be able to hear from the Holy Spirit!

The test is:

1 Jn 4:2,3 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world

1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

So he doesn't confess Jesus Christ is His Lord, because a Lord is clearly someone who gives instructions to us, and he confesses he does not hear from Jesus Christ!

Now he also quoted:



We have a Teacher, One Teacher!

Mat 23:8 “But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.

So He, our Teacher, will teach us and will use the Scriptures at times, because as written above, they are " inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

Indeed, the very first words I heard from Him were, "Read Your Bible". But the Bible is not Him. He was the One who told me to "Read Your Bible"! But not just that He also told me:

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

If all you depend on is the textbook, and don't actually listen to the Teacher, the you are not getting out of the textbook/Bible what you should, because He, the Teacher, who is good because God alone is good, is not teaching you, not reproving you, not correction you, and not training you up in righteousness, so you are not a man of God, and not adequately equipped for the good work that He (our Lord God) has for you to do!!

Indeed, you have no calling if you have not heard Him and you have not heard Him if you believe He has not spoken to anyone in the last 2000 years!!

But I testify that I have a calling. He told me personally, "Karl, I want you to preach the Word, but not as it is so often preached Today. I want you to preach I AM The Word of God"!

And He also told me to read Ezek 3

Ezek 3:3-8 He said to me, “Son of man, feed your stomach and fill your body with this scroll which I am giving you.” Then I ate it, and it was sweet as honey in my mouth.
Then He said to me, “Son of man, go to the house of Israel and speak with My words to them.
“For you are not being sent to a people of unintelligible speech or difficult language, but to the house of Israel,
nor to many peoples of unintelligible speech or difficult language, whose words you cannot understand. But I have sent you to them [who should listen to you;
yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate.
“Behold, I have made your face as hard as their faces and your forehead as hard as their foreheads.

And He told me something similar.

So it is that I come and post here, as commanded me. And I tell people to listen to Him, but many like 'Christian Soldier' are unwilling to listen to me, because they are unwilling to listen to Him.

So what will it be, 'Christian Soldier'? On that day when you tell Him what you did in His name will He call you His friend because you spent much time walking and talking with Him, or will He tell you that He never knew you, because you didn't spend time walking and talking with Him by faith?

I'm not sure why you're so afraid of the truth, and you resort to making God a liar in every verse you quoted and every verse I quoted. Not a single one says that God will speak to anyone after Jesus ascended back to heaven. I have asked you for one single example, but all you could do is quote silly verses like "He who has an ear let him hear". last time I look around everyone has an ear yet nobody has ever heard Him speak once.

You make God a liar and you attack Him in the worst possible way, you claim that He has favorites like you whom He speaks to and ignores the rest of us mortals. Can you see how evil and blasphemous that is. What's so special about you that would make God want to hang out with you. God would destroy you if you came into His presence, because He doesn't tolerate sin in His presence, let alone choosing to hang out with a totally depraved sinner, who's best works are filthy stinking rags. God doesn't tolerate abominations in His sight.

I can only agree with my Pastor because you have proven his point. He said, anyone who tells you that Jesus spoke to them is either messed up on drugs and hallucinating, or they are speaking with a Demon, or they have some mental illness which makes them hear voices in their head. There are no other options, my friend. You can't defend your position because it based on lies.

 

[Karl Peters]

I'm not sure why you're so afraid of the truth, and you resort to making God a liar in every verse you quoted and every verse I quoted. Not a single one says that God will speak to anyone after Jesus ascended back to heaven. I have asked you for one single example, but all you could do is quote silly verses like "He who has an ear let him hear". last time I look around everyone has an ear yet nobody has ever heard Him speak once.

You make God a liar and you attack Him in the worst possible way, you claim that He has favorites like you whom He speaks to and ignores the rest of us mortals. Can you see how evil and blasphemous that is. What's so special about you that would make God want to hang out with you. God would destroy you if you came into His presence, because He doesn't tolerate sin in His presence, let alone choosing to hang out with a totally depraved sinner, who's best works are filthy stinking rags. God doesn't tolerate abominations in His sight.

I can only agree with my Pastor because you have proven his point. He said, anyone who tells you that Jesus spoke to them is either messed up on drugs and hallucinating, or they are speaking with a Demon, or they have some mental illness which makes them hear voices in their head. There are no other options, my friend. You can't defend your position because it based on lies.

Yeah - I see you are agreeing with your pastor, or at least what you think about your pastor.

What you are not doing is agreeing with Jesus Christ who pastor's His sheep with His voice!

You would think any Christian pastor who has read the Bible would know about Jesus Christ and how He sends His Holy Spirit with His words. They should know that we are supposed to be leading people to Jesus Christ. They should have read that we are not saying in our heard that Jesus Christ is either still dead of in a far-off place called heaven, because the Word of God we preach is found near us. They should also have read that some we travel the world seeking disciples for themselves, instead of for Jesus Christ. Yet it is written that some will do that:

Mat 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

If what you say about your 'pastor' then the above verse applies to him! The reason should be obvious; because real Christians point people to Jesus Christ - but if a pastor is going about making followers for himself, then he can't have them becoming followers of Jesus Christ! So he must tell you that Jesus Christ does not talk to anyone today! He must present Jesus Christ as either still dead or as too far away, that you can't hear and know Him Today!

Still, why do people believe it, especially given that the Bible clearing explains "Hear, O Israel", and mention "Today" as the day?

It is because our pride, we don't want anyone reproving us and telling us what to do, so we like our ears "tickled" - which leaves room for a pastor pointing people to himself!!

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,


The Israelites were guilty of that exact thing! Moses took them to the mountain of God to hear from the Word of God, but when the Word of God spoke, it came across to them as thunder and they didn't hear what was said! Instead they said to Moses:

Ex 20:19 Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die.”

And God had just spoken to them and none of them actually died!! So, the death they were talking about was the death to their way of thinking and having to follow God!! Which is to say that Moses, since he was just a man like them, could tell them something and if they didn't like it they would just ignore it! And so Moses brought down the Law to them, which of course they would not follow, and so they were worthy of death, because they became Law breakers.

And so people today, say God does not speak to us Today, and you should just be good people (meaning you can do what you think is good, as opposed to doing what God thinks is good. ) That way they don't have to die to their own desires and wishes! Indeed, you can go about getting disciples for yourself, instead of turning people to Jesus Christ, if you wish. Just say that God is not around Today to talk to anyone!

Of course, you can't abide in that if you actually do seek Jesus Christ and listen to Him! If you actually seek Him, you will find Him, and you will find that He is indeed omni-present, and has always been standing there trying to help you by trying to get you to listen to Him. You find out that He loves you sooooo much more that you could ever imagine. So He also sends people who do listen to Him, over and over and over, to tell you that He is there for you.

Still you have to repent of your ways (your pride) or you will never seek Him, never find Him, never get to know Him and His love for you. Then on a day of extreme importance to you, you will tell Him how much you did in His name, but will be told truthfully that He never knew you. And you will be taken away to where we (those you do know Him) don't want to see you taken, though you will be fully deserving of it. And we will honestly say, if asked, that we told you.

Mt 7:22,23 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

Jn “5:43 - 47 I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him.
“How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?
“Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope.
“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Moses explained that the Word was near you, in you mouth and heart. But some still say that He is dead or far away so that He has not said a thing to anyone for 2,000 years.

Deut 30:12-14“It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ “Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’

People, seek Jesus Christ and you will find Him! And as for which church you should go to: ask Him!! Ask Him about all things in your life, and listen to Him, by faith! Yes - also test the spirits (1 Jn 4:1-3) but to test the spirit you have to hear with your spiritual ears to find out if they are confessing Jesus Christ has come in the flesh (so that He was crucified, put in a tomb, and rose again, ascending back to the throne of God, from where He came from, right) And the Kingdom of God is in your midst, right? So since God is spirit, you can hear from the Holy Spirit who does not speak on His own, but takes the words of God which Jesus was given by His Father, right? And this should have already been revealed to you, since you are at a Christian Forum, but if not then know that if ANYONE hears His voice and opens up to Him, He will come into them and eat with then with Him. So that includes the person who has thought to this day, that He does not talk to people, but decides to seek Him in earnest anyway!

I did that. I had never heard from Him, when one day I was have problems, so in the front of my house I spoke aloud to Him saying, "What do you want to tell me, God", and I listen. Yet I didn't hear a thing that day, because I did not understand that God was spirit. So I was listening with my physical ears. Never-the-less, about a month later, I woke up and a voice from seemingly nowhere, told me, "READ YOUR BIBLE"! So I did. I was afraid not to. It took me 8 months reading a little each day, and spiritual things started to happen.

And I found out that He was there to be heard from personally! He had always been there to be heard from personally, but I had to believe in Him - that He was there and could speak to my spirit by His Spirit. I found Moses was right, He was speaking to me in my heart and I sometimes found His words coming out my mouth, too.

He told me things like:

"MY PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER IS LIKE PUTTING MAKE UP ON THE BRIDE."

But more importantly, He often tells me, "Karl, I love you".

And so much more, because as He put it:

AS INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN TO A SERVANT, AND WISDOM AND PARABLES TO A SON, AND AS JOKES ARE GIVEN TO A FRIEND, SO I LOVE YOU IS SAID TO A BRIDE.

So, it is a personal relationship, like that of a servant, a son, a friend, and a bride, that He is looking for!

And if you have that He will never tell you that He never knew you!!
“But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yeah - I see you are agreeing with your pastor, or at least what you think about your pastor.

What you are not doing is agreeing with Jesus Christ who pastor's His sheep with His voice!

You would think any Christian pastor who has read the Bible would know about Jesus Christ and how He sends His Holy Spirit with His words. They should know that we are supposed to be leading people to Jesus Christ. They should have read that we are not saying in our heard that Jesus Christ is either still dead of in a far-off place called heaven, because the Word of God we preach is found near us. They should also have read that some we travel the world seeking disciples for themselves, instead of for Jesus Christ. Yet it is written that some will do that:

Mat 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

If what you say about your 'pastor' then the above verse applies to him! The reason should be obvious; because real Christians point people to Jesus Christ - but if a pastor is going about making followers for himself, then he can't have them becoming followers of Jesus Christ! So he must tell you that Jesus Christ does not talk to anyone today! He must present Jesus Christ as either still dead or as too far away, that you can't hear and know Him Today!

Still, why do people believe it, especially given that the Bible clearing explains "Hear, O Israel", and mention "Today" as the day?

It is because our pride, we don't want anyone reproving us and telling us what to do, so we like our ears "tickled" - which leaves room for a pastor pointing people to himself!!

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,


The Israelites were guilty of that exact thing! Moses took them to the mountain of God to hear from the Word of God, but when the Word of God spoke, it came across to them as thunder and they didn't hear what was said! Instead they said to Moses:

Ex 20:19 Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die.”

And God had just spoken to them and none of them actually died!! So, the death they were talking about was the death to their way of thinking and having to follow God!! Which is to say that Moses, since he was just a man like them, could tell them something and if they didn't like it they would just ignore it! And so Moses brought down the Law to them, which of course they would not follow, and so they were worthy of death, because they became Law breakers.

And so people today, say God does not speak to us Today, and you should just be good people (meaning you can do what you think is good, as opposed to doing what God thinks is good. ) That way they don't have to die to their own desires and wishes! Indeed, you can go about getting disciples for yourself, instead of turning people to Jesus Christ, if you wish. Just say that God is not around Today to talk to anyone!

Of course, you can't abide in that if you actually do seek Jesus Christ and listen to Him! If you actually seek Him, you will find Him, and you will find that He is indeed omni-present, and has always been standing there trying to help you by trying to get you to listen to Him. You find out that He loves you sooooo much more that you could ever imagine. So He also sends people who do listen to Him, over and over and over, to tell you that He is there for you.

Still you have to repent of your ways (your pride) or you will never seek Him, never find Him, never get to know Him and His love for you. Then on a day of extreme importance to you, you will tell Him how much you did in His name, but will be told truthfully that He never knew you. And you will be taken away to where we (those you do know Him) don't want to see you taken, though you will be fully deserving of it. And we will honestly say, if asked, that we told you.

Moses explained that the Word was near you, in you mouth and heart. But some still say that He is dead or far away so that He has not said a thing to anyone for 2,000 years.

Deut 30:12-14“It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ “Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’

And I found out that He was there to be heard from personally! He had always been there to be heard from personally, but I had to believe in Him - that He was there and could speak to my spirit by His Spirit. I found Moses was right, He was speaking to me in my heart and I sometimes found His words coming out my mouth, too.

He told me things like:

"MY PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER IS LIKE PUTTING MAKE UP ON THE BRIDE."

But more importantly, He often tells me, "Karl, I love you".

And so much more, because as He put it:

AS INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN TO A SERVANT, AND WISDOM AND PARABLES TO A SON, AND AS JOKES ARE GIVEN TO A FRIEND, SO I LOVE YOU IS SAID TO A BRIDE.

So, it is a personal relationship, like that of a servant, a son, a friend, and a bride, that He is looking for!

And if you have that He will never tell you that He never knew you!!
“But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.

There are some major problems with your advice, the main problem being it's all based on your private opinions and it is not supported by scripture.
As you know my Pastor teaches us the the Bible is our only authority, and not any persons opinion. So, with all due respect your opinions are contrary to what then Bible teaches, so I must consider you have formed your opinions on the basis of false doctrine or better known as the doctrine of Demons.

You say that Jesus Christ pastors His Sheep with His voice but the problem with that is, nobody has heard His voice for the past 2000 years, so your opinion falls flat on it's face right there.
Before Christ went back to heaven He warned us about false Christs which you believe are speaking with you, but you ignore His warning ad make a fool out of Him and embrace the voice of false Christs who are actually Devils.

Matthew 24:5 “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many.

No Pastor can lead anyone to Christ, unless God draws them to Himself. Pastors don't poses any magical power to bring people to Christ as you falsely claim they do, but God said the opposite is true so you contradict what God said;

Romans 3:10-12 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”

As you can see Gods Word exposes your demonic Doctrine, you say that God reveals Himself and speaks to people who seek Him. But God said none seek Him, so you leave me no choice other than to reject your doctrine and believe what God said.

You say a Pastor should point people to Jesus Christ, but you didn't tell me which Jesus Christ you're talking about. Do you even know how many different versions of Jesus Christ there are in Christian Denominations, well there are 45,000 different Jesus Christs in the professing Christian Church. And there are many more Jesus Christs in other religions, the Muslims believe He was just another Prophet, like Mohammad was just a Prophet.

The Jews believe He was a false Messiah, so they're waiting for their real Messiah to come. The Jehovah Witnesses and Seven Day Adventists believe Jesus only came into existence when He was born in Bethlehem, they don't believe that He is God and there are countless other opinions regarding the identity of Jesus.

I don't know which Jesus you think you heard speaking with you, but I do know the real Jesus has been silent for the past 2000 years, so you must be speaking to a Devil, the real Jesus warned about these false Christs that you believe in and follow, so be careful friend they're taking you on the road to hell.

You are no different to those people you describe, who have itching ears because you have found someone to lie to you and tell you about the Jesus you want to hear about and not the real Jesus who has been in Heaven for the past 2000 years.

Everyone hates the real Jesus, because He exposes their wicked nature. The only people who love Jesus and believe everything He said are those of us who God has regenerated and converted. Everyone is born dead in their trespasses and sin, we were all enemies of God and we hated Him so much that we never wanted anything to do with Him and we would have remained dead if He didn't regenerate us and make us alive.

No dead person has ever seeks God, because a dead person can do noting, so this foolish idea that a Pastor can bring dead people before the Lord is ludicrous. God has appointed Shepherds to teach dumb Sheep like me, God brings us to the Shepherds, we don't go willingly because we hate God and we hate His Shepherds, so God has to change our hearts, before we can even respond in faith.

 

[Karl Peters]

Let me go over these comments - and show how false they all are:

There are some major problems with your advice, the main problem being it's all based on your private opinions and it is not supported by scripture.

No, I actually hear from the Lord Jesus Christ, via His Holy Spirit, testify to it, and back up what I say with Scriptures. So I tell you that "Anyone", can seek the Lord and find Him - but you say He has not spoken in 2,000 years. So because of you lack of faith in Him you can't hear from Him, and can't understand, and cant' accept our (all those who hear from the Lord Today) testimony. And here is the Scripture that explain that:

“Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

As you know my Pastor teaches us the the Bible is our only authority

If your "Pastor" teaches you the Bible is your authority, then he is making and idol out of his Bible. And because you capitalized pastor, it seem you also are making an idol out of your "Pastor". Now I have a "Pastor", and by capitalizing pastor, I am telling you the Jesus Christ the Lord our God is my Pastor. I have also had many pastors at churches that He (My Pastor) has had me attend, but you don't believe He can talk to you, so He is certainly not your Pastor. And your Pastor can not save you, but mine can and does.

You say that Jesus Christ pastors His Sheep with His voice but the problem with that is, nobody has heard His voice for the past 2000 years,

Before Christ went back to heaven He warned us about false Christs which you believe are speaking with you,

Christ came down out or heaven to take on flesh, but all those writing the Old Testament, knew and talked to Him while He was in heaven before He came to earth, and He went back there. So your saying that He does not speak to us Today, is a clear sign that it is you who is dealing with spirit of the antichrist. I already pointed this out to you. There is a test, as you know, in the Bible, but to use the test a person must first be able to hear with their spiritual ears to determine whether they are hearing from the Holy Spirit or spirit of the antichrist. So if you say Jesus does not speak to us Today via His Holy Spirit, you confess that the spirit of the antichrist has hold of you, So besides 1 Jn 4:1-3, which you cannot use because you cannot hear a spirit (any spirit) confess, you also fail you understand that the Spirit of God always tells you Jesus Christ is Lord, and a Lord is someone who does speak instructions to those who serve Him. Here is the verse for you:

1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 24:5 “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Messiah,' and will deceive many.

This is irrelevant to our conversation, because this refers to people on earth, and I am pointing you to Jesus Christ who sits on the throne in the Kingdom of heaven. But you are saying in your heart that the Word of God is far from us, in that far off place called heaven, so we can not hear from Him Today. So I have already quoted you the following verse, but you did not believe the verses in the Bible are correct and apply to you, so you reject them. Yet here is that reproof for you again:

Rom 10: 6-8 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

So Paul back then had to deal with people just like you, who were saying that God did not speak to them at that time. So the Scriptures are good for reproof, but the stubborn man, not willing to seek our Lord Jesus Christ does not believe the very Scriptures they are trying to put their faith in.

No Pastor can lead anyone to Christ, unless God draws them to Himself

Well, since I was right there in Romans 10 . I might as well reprove you with these handy verese:

Rom 10:17 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!”
However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?”
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

It of course is no coincidence that the reproof for the above comment of your was found in the same place and the reproof for the prior comment of yours, because as I mentioned - you are exactly like those Paul was writing to and reproving when he was writing Romans 10.

Your are one who "However, the did not all heed the good news' like Paul wrote, and the reason we also find the writings of Isaiah in our bible today also and so we read "“LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?”

You fail to understand that the conversation I have with the Lord are exactly like the conversations Isaiah had with the Lord before Jesus came out of heaven and took on flesh and went back to heaven. He tells me to write, and to you if you care to believe it, but you don't believe in Him speaking, so you don't believe the "Good News" that I gave you, which is that if "Anyone" hears His voice and opens up to Him He will come into them and eat with them and them with Him. (Rev 3:20) You don't "heed the good news"!

Pastors don't poses any magical power to bring people to Christ as you falsely claim they do

First, I don't claim, nor ever have, to have magical power. What I do have it the Holy Spirit of God (and Jesus Christ is called Mighty God) So I can listen to Him, because His Holy Spirit speaks His words to me, and I then can do what He asks of me. Now I will honestly tell you that by listening to Him and doing what He asks of me I have seen Him do hundreds and probably, thousands of miracles. Some times you don't really know what happens when you pray for people like He tells you. And the "like He tells you", is the important part!!

You see, among other things, He sometimes has me pray for people in His name. If you are not actually hearing from Him, you are not actually doing and praying in His name, are you? Some Christians just always add "In His name" whether they heard from Him or not. So it is unclear who is actually praying in His name and who is acting like Sceva (Acts 19:14) Yet if you truly know Him things happen. And if you do truly know Him you can and do pray in His name, because you hear from Him and do what He askes!

He once had me in a Christian healing ministry and I saw legs grow out in front of me. I had swelling go down under my hand while praying. And I have soooo many testimonies of hearing and having people get healing that I could not possible explain it all here. Still I tell you, it is not about the miracles it is about personally knowing Him and that comes from seeking His voice and listening to Him - which you are unwilling to do and believe for!

So you scoff at the power of God, deny the God is still around doing miracles, because we hear Him and do what He askes. And so these verses are also for you to reprove you:

Mark 16:19.20 So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.
And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed.] {And they promptly reported all these instructions to Peter and his companions. And after that, Jesus Himself sent out through them from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation.]

The Bible is right, but you are wrong. Yes, Jesus "was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God". And yes we real Christians go and preach everywhere while the Lord works with us, even giving us instructions, even from the throne of God where He sits with His Father. So Yes, signs and wonders follow because He, God, is working with us. But No, it is not magic, it is our Lord Jesus Christ working with us from the throne of God. How is it you don't know this? Isn't it because you don't believe in Him, that He was received up into heaven but that just means that He works with us from there, giving us instructions via His Holy Spirit, and confirming what He tells us by the signs that follow!!

So in your disbelief you write:

You say that Jesus Christ pastors His Sheep with His voice but the problem with that is, nobody has heard His voice for the past 2000 years, so your opinion falls flat on it's face right there.

It is not an "opinion", but it is based on belief in Jesus Christ! I have seen the miracles, the signs, the wonders of God, which you have scoffed at!! So a last verse for you sir:

Prov 24:9 The devising of folly is sin,
And the scoffer is an abomination to men.