What are the main doctrinal differences between Jehovah's Witnesses and mainstream Christianity?

[ReChoired]

Hmmm!

Before you go calling me a 'trinitarian' and show that you do not understand my position, see what I do NOT believe.

So, do I accept the error of Romanism, in it's "una substantia", "perfectly one superabound" doctrine of it's "trinity", or that the Person/Being of the Father is formless, or that the Father "eternally begets" the Son, or that the Holy Ghost is the eternal spiration of the Father and the Son? No, I do not.

Do I also confess as they, "We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity"." No, I do not.

Roman Catholicism's trinitarianism error ** [I do not believe in the following definition as they give about their Singularity “God”]

“... 237 The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the "mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God".58 To be sure, God has left traces of his Trinitarian being in his work of creation and in his Revelation throughout the Old Testament. But his inmost Being as Holy Trinity is a mystery that is inaccessible to reason alone or even to Israel's faith before the Incarnation of God's Son and the sending of the Holy Spirit. ...​

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... 253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity".83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85 ...​

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... 261 The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of the Christian faith and of Christian life. God alone can make it known to us by revealing himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.​

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262 The Incarnation of God's Son reveals that God is the eternal Father and that the Son is con-substantial with the Father, which means that, in the Father and with the Father the Son is one and the same God.​

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263 The mission of the Holy Spirit, sent by the Father in the name of the Son (Jn 14:26) and by the Son "from the Father" (⇒Jn 15:26), reveals that, with them, the Spirit is one and the same God. "With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified" (Nicene Creed).​

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264 "The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father as the first principle and, by the eternal gift of this to the Son, from the communion of both the Father and the Son" (St. Augustine, De Trin. 15, 26, 47: PL 42, 1095).​

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266 "Now this is the Catholic faith: We worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, without either confusing the persons or dividing the substance; for the person of the Father is one, the Son's is another, the Holy Spirit's another; but the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal" (Athanasian Creed: DS 75; ND 16).​

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267 Inseparable in what they are, the divine persons are also inseparable in what they do. But within the single divine operation each shows forth what is proper to him in the Trinity, especially in the divine missions of the Son's Incarnation and the gift of the Holy Spirit.” – Catechism of the Catholic Church - Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Father​

Another:

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“We believe then in the Father who eternally begets the Son, in the Son, the Word of God, who is eternally begotten; in the Holy Spirit, the uncreated Person who proceeds from the Father and the Son as their eternal love. Thus in the Three Divine Persons, coaeternae sibi et coaequales,[8] the life and beatitude of God perfectly one superabound and are consummated in the supreme excellence and glory proper to uncreated being, and always "there should be venerated unity in the Trinity and Trinity in the unity."[9]” [Online Roman Catholic Library; Credo of the People of God; Promulgated by Pope Paul VI on June 30, 1968] - CATHOLIC LIBRARY: The Credo of the People of God (1968)​

Another:

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“...that the Paraclete "is not to be considered as unconnected with the Father and the Son, for He is with Them one in substance and divinity"...​

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... Proceeding both from the Father and the Son, the Holy Ghost, nevertheless, proceeds from Them as from a single principle. ... Hence it follows, indeed, that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the two other Persons, not in so far as They are distinct, but inasmuch as Their Divine perfection is numerically one. Besides, such is the explicit teaching of ecclesiastical tradition, which is concisely put by St. Augustine (On the Holy Trinity V.14): "As the Father and the Son are only one God and, relatively to the creature, only one Creator and one Lord, so, relatively to the Holy Ghost, They are only one principle." This doctrine was defined in the following words by the Second Ecumenical Council of Lyons [Denzinger, "Enchiridion" (1908), n. 460]: "We confess that the Holy Ghost proceeds eternally from the Father and the Son, not as from two principles, but as from one principle, not by two spirations, but by one single spiration." The teaching was again laid down by the Council of Florence (ibid., n. 691), and by Eugene IV in his Bull "Cantate Domino" (ibid., n. 703 sq.). ...​

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..."the Holy Ghost comes from the Father and from the Son not made, not created, not generated, but proceeding" ... “ [Online Roman Catholic Encyclopedia, Holy Spirit; sections throughout] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Holy Ghost​

Another:

"The sacrosanct Roman Church, founded by the voice of our Lord and Savior, firmly believes, professes, and preaches one true God omnipotent, unchangeable, and eternal, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; one in essence, three in persons; Father unborn, Son born of the Father, Holy Spirit proceeding from Father and Son; that the Father is not Son or Holy Spirit, that Son is not Father or Holy Spirit; that Holy Spirit is not Father or Son; but Father alone is Father, Son alone is Son, Holy Spirit alone is Holy Spirit. The Father alone begot the Son of His own substance; the Son alone was begotten of the Father alone; the Holy Spirit alone proceeds at the same time from the Father and Son.​

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These three persons are one God, and not three gods, because the three have one substance, one essence, one nature, one divinity, one immensity, one eternity, where no opposition of relationship interferes.​

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“Because of this unity the Father is entire in the Son, entire in the Holy Spirit; the Son is entire in the Father, entire in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is entire in the Father, entire in the Son. No one either excels another in eternity, or exceeds in magnitude, or is superior in power. For the fact that the Son is of the Father is eternal and without beginning; and that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son is eternal and without beginning.” Whatever the Father is or has, He does not have from another, but from Himself; and He is the principle without principle. Whatever the Son is or has, He has from the Father, and is the principle from a principle. Whatever the Holy Spirit is or has, He has simultaneously from the Father and the Son. But the Father and the Son are not two principles of the Holy Spirit, but one principle, just as the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three principles of the creature, but one principle. ..." The Council of Florence (A.D. 1438-1445) From Cantate Domino — Papal Bull of Pope Eugene IV by Pope Eugene IV - The Council of Florence (A.D. 1438-1445) From Cantate Domino — Papal Bull of Pope Eugene IV - Catholicism.org​

So you understand what I do NOT believe?

 

[TheHC]

The Holy Ghost is not a laughing matter. For Christians, He is God and should be shown the utmost respect, including discussions of Him--regardless of your point of view.

The Holy Spirit, like the Son, is viewed from the vantage point of that line segment, which is the finite sphere of man, or creation. We see God in places, which is a finite perspective of God. And this necessarily distinguishes Him from God in His transcendent existence, above and before all of creation.

Where is the Scripture supporting the Holy Spirit as God?

I’ve found none.

As a Christian, Paul said, although “there are many gods and many lords, there is actually to us, one God, the Father…and one Lord, Jesus Christ.”

It’s as simple as that; trying to add others as God, just creates confusion.
And breaking the 1st of the 10 commandments.

 

[TheHC]

And I am sure the readers here will note that you have provided not a single word in defense of what you believe…you are a bit of a ‘hit and run’ Christian who cannot substantiate a thing you say, and you don’t stick around to answer anything asked of you with any credibility….you just keep on posting misapplied and misinterpreted scripture…..but no defense or apology for the mistake you made with the one before…..just moving right along like no one will notice. Lots of things have been brought to your attention, but you just ignore them….tell me any point I raised that was not valid and scripturally supported…..
Sometimes the truth is painful….

Derision is a cheap substitute for discussion.….

Derision is also evidence that the one deriding, has a weak argument.

Since they can’t successfully attack/debunk the message, they attack/attempt to debunk the messenger.

 

[ReChoired]

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Where is the Scripture supporting the Holy Spirit as God?

I’ve found none. ...

That you have "found none" is not a valid argument. Many people go looking for gold mines and do not find any. It doesn't mean that gold mines do not exist because they did not find one. They simply did not look in the right place, or do not know where to look. Likewise, simply that you have "found none" is not logical substantial evidence that there is not any such evidence. You are basing your knowledge not upon scripture, but your own subjective experience. Not a proper place to start with.

Hebrews 3:7 KJB - Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,​

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Hebrews 3:8 KJB - Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:​

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Hebrews 3:9 KJB - When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.​

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Hebrews 3:10 KJB - Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.​

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Hebrews 3:11 KJB - So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)​

Who did Paul say was speaking in the OT, in Psalms?

Psa 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,​

Psa 95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:​

Psa 95:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.​

Psa 95:10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:​

Psa 95:11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.​

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Psalms is drawing upon what other OT texts/events?

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Deuteronomy 1:34 KJB - And the LORD heard the voice of your words, and was wroth, and sware, saying,​

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Deuteronomy 1:35 KJB - Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers,​

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Nehemiah 9:20 KJB - Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.​

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Ezekiel 20:5 KJB - And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the LORD your God;​

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Ezekiel 20:6 KJB - In the day that I lifted up mine hand unto them, to bring them forth of the land of Egypt into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands:​

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Ezekiel 20:15 KJB - Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands;​

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What about when Paul said:

Hebrews 10:15 KJB - Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,​

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Hebrews 10:16 KJB - This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;​

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Hebrews 10:17 KJB - And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.​

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Jeremiah 31:31 KJB - Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:​

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Jeremiah 31:32 KJB - Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:​

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Jeremiah 31:33 KJB - But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.​

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Jeremiah 31:34 KJB - And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.​

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What about?

Acts 28:25 KJB - And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,​

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Acts 28:26 KJB - Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:​

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Acts 28:27 KJB - For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.​

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Isaiah 6:8 KJB - Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.​

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Isaiah 6:9 KJB - And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.​

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Isaiah 6:10 KJB - Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.​

 

[ReChoired]

Derision is also evidence that the one deriding, has a weak argument.

Since they can’t successfully attack/debunk the message, they attack/attempt to debunk the messenger.

Perhaps you may consider this arugment from scripture, which is self-contained, sealed, and cannot be broken:

The Apostle Paul, likewise, while writing the NT book of Hebrews under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:21, 3:16 KJB), cites quite a bit of the OT texts (Heb. 1:7 (Psa. 104:4); Heb. 1:8-9 (Psa. 45:6-7); Heb. 1:10-12 (Psa. 102:12,25-27) KJB, &c), in specific application, to demonstrate that the Son of the Father is both, [1] the highest (uncreated, eternal, infinite) messenger of the Father (Heb. 1:1-3,9 KJB, “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son”), being a ‘fellow’ (Heb. 1:9 KJB) messenger (an office, a position) of the other (created, finite) messengers (Heb. 1:6,7,14 KJB; like Gabriel, ‘Herald’, &c), and [2] “God”, “Lord” (LORD; JEHOVAH, the Son; 1 Cor. 12:3; Php. 2:11 KJB). Notice how Paul continues this same thought, found in Hebrews 1 (Heb. 1:12 KJB, “thou art the same”), in some of the final statements of Hebrews 13 (Heb. 13:8 KJB, “Jesus Christ the same”) KJB:

Hebrews 1:8 KJB - But unto the Son he (the Father) saith, Thy throne, O God (the Son), is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.​

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Psalms 45:6 KJB - Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.​

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Psalms 45:7 HOT - כסאך אלהים עולם ועד שׁבט מישׁר שׁבט מלכותך׃​

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Psalms 44:7 Hexapla - ὁ θρόνος σου, ὁ θεός, εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος, ῥάβδος εὐθύτητος ἡ ῥάβδος τῆς βασιλείας σου.​

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Hebrews 1:9 KJB - Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God (the Son), even thy God (the Father), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.​

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Psalms 45:7 KJB - Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.​

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Psalms 45:8 HOT - אהבת צדק ותשׂנא רשׁע על־כן משׁחך אלהים אלהיך שׁמן שׂשׂון מחבריך׃​

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Psalms 44:8 Hexapla - ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην καὶ ἐμίσησας ἀνομίαν· διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε ὁ θεὸς ὁ θεός σου ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου.​

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Hebrews 1:10 KJB - And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:​

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Psalms 102:12 KJB - But thou, O LORD, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.​

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Psalms 102:13 HOT - ואתה יהוה לעולם תשׁב וזכרך לדר ודר׃​

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Psalms 101:13 Hexapla - σὺ δέ, κύριε, εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα μένεις, καὶ τὸ μνημόσυνόν σου εἰς γενεὰν καὶ γενεάν.​

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Psalms 102:26 HOT - לפנים הארץ יסדת ומעשׂה ידיך שׁמים׃​

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Psalms 101:26 Hexapla - κατ᾿ ἀρχὰς σύ, κύριε, τὴν γῆν ἐθεμελίωσας, καὶ ἔργα τῶν χειρῶν σού εἰσιν οἱ οὐρανοί·​

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Hebrews 1:11 KJB - They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;​

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Psalms 102:26 KJB - They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:​

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Psalms 102:27 HOT - המה יאבדו ואתה תעמד וכלם כבגד יבלו כלבושׁ תחליפם ויחלפו׃​

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Psalms 101:27 Hexapla - αὐτοὶ ἀπολοῦνται, σὺ δὲ διαμενεῖς, καὶ πάντες ὡς ἱμάτιον παλαιωθήσονται, (Hebrews 1:12 KJB begins here) καὶ ὡσεὶ περιβόλαιον ἀλλάξεις αὐτούς, καὶ ἀλλαγήσονται·​

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Hebrews 1:12 KJB - And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.​

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Psalms 102:27 KJB - But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.​

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Psalms 102:28 HOT - ואתה־הוא ושׁנותיך לא יתמו׃​

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Psalms 101:28 Hexapla - σὺ δὲ ὁ αὐτὸς εἶ, καὶ τὰ ἔτη σου οὐκ ἐκλείψουσιν.​

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Hebrews 13:4 KJB - Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.​

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John 5:22 KJB - For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:​

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John 5:27 KJB - And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.​

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Hebrews 13:5 KJB - Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.​

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See Gen. 26:24, 28:15, 31:3, 46:4; Exo. 3:12; Deu. 31:6; Jos. 1:5; 1 Kin. 8:57; 1 Chr. 28:20; Psa. 46:7,11; Isa. 7:14, 8:8,10; Mat. 1:23, 28:20; Jhn. 13:33, 14:18; Act. 18:10 KJB.​

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Hebrews 13:6 KJB - So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.​

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Psalms 30:10 KJB - Hear, O LORD, and have mercy upon me: LORD, be thou my helper.​

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Psalms 54:4 KJB - Behold, God is mine helper: the Lord is with them that uphold my soul.​

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Matthew 15:25 KJB - Then came she and worshipped him (Jesus), saying, Lord, help me.​

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Hebrews 13:7 KJB - Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.​

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Hebrews 13:8 KJB - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.​

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Malachi 3:6 KJB - For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.​

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Hebrews 1:12 KJB - And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou (LORD; JEHOVAH, the Son) art the same, and thy years shall not fail.​

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Refers back to Psalms 102; Malachi 3:6.​

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Quoted from my book on Michael the Archangel, here - Michael The Archangel Who Is Like Unto God The Highest Messenger (BOOK) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[ReChoired]

... As a Christian, Paul said, although “there are many gods and many lords, there is actually to us, one God, the Father…and one Lord, Jesus Christ.”

It’s as simple as that; trying to add others as God, just creates confusion.
And breaking the 1st of the 10 commandments.

You have not right well understand Paul's point in that text, in context. Please allow me to show you:

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1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.​

1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)​

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.​

Paul is drawing upon Deut. 6:4:

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:​

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Deu 6:4 שׁמע ישׂראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה אחד׃​

Deu 6:4 sh'ma yis'räël y'hwäh élohëynû y'hwäh echäd​

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In other words the text says, "Hear, O Israel, the JEHOVAH (Family name) our Elohiym (plurality of Persons/Beings, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost) are one (harmonious as a chord, or family, team, marriage, unit, set) JEHOVAH (family name).

For instance, My dad is my earthly father, and yet I also share his last name. We two are not the same person, but two persons/beings, that share the same last name, family name.

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Paul is contrasting the various things (creatures, of creation) called "gods" and "lords", all of which fight amongst each other, and are not unified in heart/mind/purpose, but war for supremacy, such as Zeus/Jupiter/Superman, Hades/Saturn/Batman, Poseidon/Neptune/Aquaman, Hermes/Mercury/Flash, Diana/Artemis/Wonder Woman, etc, etc. However, the JEHOVAH (singular family name) Elohiym (plurality, not dual, but three Persons/Beings; the Person/Being of the Father, the Person/Being of the Son and the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit) never fight with one another, but are always the eternal Heavenly Trio, the three eternal notes that are the eternal harmonious chord. Thery are not one in their Persons/Beings, but in the eternal purpose. They are one like this, a family, a team, a unit, a chord, a marriage (Husband, Wife, God), a set:

Joh_17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:​

Thus plurality of Persons/Beings working together, like how the Bible does. Many writers, a unified message. Like the NT 4 Gospels, 4 accounts but one harmonious message.

Paul in drawing upon Deu. 6:4 in 1 Cor. 8:4-6, is showing the contrast between the fractured false gods, with the harmoniousness of the JEHOVAH Elohiym, or Family "JEHOVAH" in the Persons/Beings of God the Father (JEHOVAH the Ancient of Days), the LORD (JEHOVAH, Jr.) Jesus the Christ, and the Holy Ghost/Spirit that inspired the text you and I are reading in each place, who does not speak of Himself. The Holy Ghost/Spirit is like the 'man behind the camera' filmnig/recording/witnesses/testifying of the many actions/events of the Father and the Son, but is present most times 'off camera'.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Jesus is the way to eternal life.

OK....so what did Jesus teach his disciples that made them a separate organised body of believers who met together for worship? (Heb 10:24-25) What made the majority of the Jews disbelieve him?

What form does eternal or more correctly, “everlasting life” have, and what did Jesus tell his disciples to expect as far as where that everlasting life was to be lived?
Does everlasting life mean the same as immortality?

You can’t wave this away with one small sentence Wrangler....since the Bible is the whole story about this very thing....

 

[theJW]

The Holy Ghost is not a laughing matter. For Christians, He is God and should be shown the utmost respect, including discussions of Him--regardless of your point of view.

The Holy Spirit, like the Son, is viewed from the vantage point of that line segment, which is the finite sphere of man, or creation. We see God in places, which is a finite perspective of God. And this necessarily distinguishes Him from God in His transcendent existence, above and before all of creation.

Oh Look- it'll be Halloween soon!

 

[theJW]

(There's no such THING as 'ghosts'!)

 

[theJW]

The Holy Ghost is not a laughing matter. For Christians, He is God and should be shown the utmost respect, including discussions of Him--regardless of your point of view.

The Holy Spirit, like the Son, is viewed from the vantage point of that line segment, which is the finite sphere of man, or creation. We see God in places, which is a finite perspective of God. And this necessarily distinguishes Him from God in His transcendent existence, above and before all of creation.

No such thing as ghosts. It IS a laughing matter- to Christians!

 

[theJW]

Denying Christ's deity is only one part of this catastophe of a religion.

No- that is our pinnacle.
You prefer the make-believe Catholic Gods.
Case closed.

 

[theJW]

I think you know what I believe? I believe what most Christians believe, that Jesus is the Word of God that is eternally generated from the Father as the source of this Word.

Actually, this may sound a bit aberrant to some, since it is the explanation of the Trinity I've adopted. But that's how I choose to explain how God can be eternal and yet revealed simultaneously in time.

Jesus is an abbreviated form of Deity, while Deity remains in His transcendent, omnipotent existence. Can we worship the Father and the Son at the same time? I should think there isn't any other way! ;) If you acknowledge the reality of a segment of a line, you may, at the same time, be acknowledging the reality of an infinite line.

"Eternally generated"? Is that in your KJV?

 

[theJW]

"Abbreviated form of Deity" is that in it, too?

 

[theJW]

I think you know what I believe? I believe what most Christians believe, that Jesus is the Word of God that is eternally generated from the Father as the source of this Word.

Actually, this may sound a bit aberrant to some, since it is the explanation of the Trinity I've adopted. But that's how I choose to explain how God can be eternal and yet revealed simultaneously in time.

Jesus is an abbreviated form of Deity, while Deity remains in His transcendent, omnipotent existence. Can we worship the Father and the Son at the same time? I should think there isn't any other way! ;) If you acknowledge the reality of a segment of a line, you may, at the same time, be acknowledging the reality of an infinite line.

"Can we worship the Father and the Son at the same time? I should think there isn't any other way!"

What about the poor little Ghost?

 

[theJW]

You do not understand that phrase.

The Father's nature is His own, underived (Jhn. 17:3).

The Son's nature is from the Father's nature (Jhn. 1:14,18, 3:16,18; Heb. 1:3, 11:17; 1 Jhn. 4:9)

The nature of the Holy spirit is not mentioned in scripture. It is left a mystery. To speak on that which is not revealed to us is a mistake, and silence is rather golden.​

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Deu_29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.​

Now for phrases “only true God” and “only begotten”: “Mono” & “Gene”

Mono is simply “one”, “only”. Mono is used in conjunction or connection, gene. Gene refers to race or nature (that which is the content of essence), that which comes about or exists through/from another. It's used this way even coming down to our English:​

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“gene (n.) 1911, from German Gen, coined 1905 by Danish scientist Wilhelm Ludvig Johannsen (1857-1927), from Greek genea “generation, race” (from PIE root *gene- “give birth, beget”). De Vries had earlier called them pangenes. Gene pool is attested from 1946.” - gene | Etymology of gene by etymonline​

That is why the Father is called: monon alethinon theon, ton theon

And because the Son is in the express image of the Father, is called: monogene, logos en o theos

The Father's nature is His own, underived (“true”*), but the Son, because He is the Son has that same nature because of the Father.​

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True - 168 Synonyms & Antonyms for TRUE | Thesaurus.com​

Authentic - 42 Synonyms & Antonyms for AUTHENTIC | Thesaurus.com​

Original - 98 Synonyms & Antonyms for ORIGINAL | Thesaurus.com​

It means underived.

So monogene in connection with monon alethinon theon means that the nature of the Son is of the Father and he is the only Son of the Father with that nature of the Father. Created Angels and humans are sons, but not of that same nature as the Father and Son are.

In other words:​

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The Father is “The only true (underived in nature) God”​

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The Son is "The only begotten" (derives His nature from the Father because He is the Son), "God"​

Keep in mind, “only begotten” has nothing to do with time, or creation, or coming into existence in these contexts, but and only deals with the existing nature of the Son in relation to the Father. The words are not the same as ‘to generate’, ‘give birth, ‘γεγεννηται’, G1080.

The Father is hierarchially higher than the Son:​

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Gen_41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.​

And I thought there was no way a church-goer could worm there way out of what he said at that point!
But he did - by escaping into his fantasy world!
Congratualions!

What is one called when one goes DIRECTLY OPPOSITE to Christ?

 

[Wrangler]

OK

@Aunty Jane, it really needs to end there.

I have come to realize that Churchianity doesn't teach ANY Biblical doctrine!

As you can see, the original claim was that Churchiantiy doesn't teach ANY Biblical doctrine.

I wouldn’t go that far! We all hold Jesus is the way, the life and the truth, right?

And my reply shows that statement was untrue. You asked an unncessarily clarifying statement, which you agreed to the answer by writing 'OK.' It really needs to end there at acceptance and not keep moving the goal posts or commiting the fallacy of being overly deconstructionist.

Romans 16:17
Final Instructions and Greetings
17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.

 

[theJW]

After all, there IS only ONE God!
And his name is Jehovah.

 

[ReChoired]

(There's no such THING as 'ghosts'!)

Ghost is just old English for Spirit (Etymology online - "Old English gast "breath; good or bad spirit, angel, demon; person, man, human being,"" - ghost | Etymology of ghost by etymonline ). Which has several meanings in scripture, from physical wind/air to heart/mind/intelligence.

 

[ReChoired]

After all, there IS only ONE God!
And his name is Jehovah.

The Son's name is also JEHOVAH, called Jesus JEHOVAH, or JEHOVAH Emmanuel in scripture. I did provide those references already.

Jesus JEHOVAH (Gen. 49:18; Exo. 14:13; 2 Chr. 20:17; Jon. 2:9; Psa. 119:174 HOT) or JEHOVAH Immanuel (see Psa. 46:7,11 HOT)).

I also provided that Jesus is also, like His Father, "God". John 1:1 is very clear "the God" (Father) was "with" "God" (Son), see context.

 

[theJW]

The Son's name is also JEHOVAH, called Jesus JEHOVAH, or JEHOVAH Emmanuel in scripture. I did provide those references already.

Jesus JEHOVAH (Gen. 49:18; Exo. 14:13; 2 Chr. 20:17; Jon. 2:9; Psa. 119:174 HOT) or JEHOVAH Immanuel (see Psa. 46:7,11 HOT)).

I also provided that Jesus is also, like His Father, "God". John 1:1 is very clear "the God" (Father) was "with" "God" (Son), see context.

What about your Ghost_God?