Making Disciples

[Lizbeth]

You are not understanding what a false convert will do. He will act as you do...grandstanding. Drawing attention to yourself. Serving your own agenda.

You have the wrong idea about the gospel. It's not about whoever claims Jesus the loudest. It's about more than lip-service.


In your eyes the mob is a good thing. But the mob put Jesus on the cross...with all its religious certainty.


You are stuck on a simplistic formula that brings no life. Just a religion to beat up others with. Look how you carry on...justifying yourself and condemning others.


false and a LOT of hooey. All you do is justify yourself and condemn others. That's as deep as you go. I don't know what makes you think you know anything beyond a simplistic formula that you vitrue-signal over. .

What you have are religious beliefs not faith. A nut is not the same as fruit.

And what kind of fruit is this?

 

[Lizbeth]

No one who is born again, can be rejected by Christ..... as God has become their Father, because Jesus has become their Savior and Eternal life.

Jesus does not reject His Redeemed, His Brethren, His Eternal family..... His "BRIDE".

"but behold, what about that verse that says, "depart from me i never knew you". ???????????????????????????????????????????????

Yeah, thats a favorite of Cross denying Heretics, who can't understand the Forgiveness of God, as Eternal or Free.

So, about that verse....

Jesus said......'i never KNEW YOU">.. = DEPART".

So, how does Jesus KNOW YOU..? = "KNOW you"..???

How does that happen?

It happens when Christ comes to live in the born again believer which causes them to become THE "temple of the Holy Spirit".

So, that is how Christ "KNOWS" those who are HIS....they are His "" BRIDE""....= because He Lives IN THEM, as "Christ IN YOU< the hope of Glory".

What does that mean?
It means that if Christ told a born again Christian to "depart, i never knew you" then He would be telling that to the very born again person in whom Christ RESIDES who is His "Bride"" and His "BODY of Christ'

A.) Not going to happen..

B.), Christ would be lying to tell a Christian He does not "know them" when in Fact, Christ is "IN THEM", and they are "IN Christ",.. they are His '""BRIDE""".. .They are His REDEEMED...... and they are "ONE WITH GOD", having become a SON/Daughter of God.

So, if a HERETIC tells you that a Christian can be told to "depart, i never KNEW YOU".. then just have a good laugh as you are dealing with a Theological pride filled FOOL..

Think the lesson in that passage is that they were trying to establish their own righteousness.

 

[Behold]

Think the lesson in that passage is that they were trying to establish their own righteousness.

They were not born again,........... yet, they are defined as "disciples" (of Jesus)..... and were "casting out demons in Jesus name".

So, the lesson is.........

"you must be born again"...., and they were not, even tho they were trying to imitate Jesus and were using His Name and were DISCIPLES of Christ.

Hell is filled with Religious people who are water baptized, and are trying to "be like Christ" and "keep commandments".

Why are they in Hell?

A.) Jesus said.....>"you must be born again"......as that is caused by GOD, and all the rest is what some person is trying to DO, and that is meaningless, regarding why God accepts us and keeps us.

 

[Episkopos]

God is and always has been looking for FAITH, no?

And the particular lessons we are to learn from the bad attitude of many of Israel's leaders at the time is that we are to love the lost (as we all once were ourselves), not judge and look down on them, and that the gospel of Messiah Christ and opportunity to become one of God's people and be saved through that gospel is open to all.

What do you mean by "saved" An after life inheritance or a victorious walk over sin?

No one who is born again, can be rejected by Christ..... as God has become their Father, because Jesus has become their Savior and Eternal life.

Jesus does not reject His Redeemed, His Brethren, His Eternal family..... His "BRIDE".

You are jumping over all reality and forcing a false conclusion. Being born again in the Spirit qualifies us for the race of faith. We are not guaranteed a good outcome for this. Out of the SAME LUMP are BOTH vessels of honour AND dishonour.


Any reading skills and honesty will see that there are MANY warnings to NT believers (born again) that we can be as cut off as the original Israelites. Any other reading is based on folly.

"but behold, what about that verse that says, "depart from me i never knew you". ???????????????????????????????????????????????

Yeah, thats a favorite of Cross denying Heretics, who can't understand the Forgiveness of God, as Eternal or Free.

Wrong. The cross denying heretics are the ones who are cut off. You are positing a very selfish navel gazing facade on top of what we read in the bible. The cross is meant to crucify US. Those who resist the power of the cross on themselves will be rejected from God's eternal kingdom.

So, about that verse....

Jesus said......'i never KNEW YOU">.. = DEPART".

So, how does Jesus KNOW YOU..? = "KNOW you"..???

How does that happen?

It happens when Christ comes to live in the born again believer which causes them to become THE "temple of the Holy Spirit".

So, that is how Christ "KNOWS" those who are HIS....they are His "" BRIDE""....= because He Lives IN THEM, as "Christ IN YOU< the hope of Glory".

What does that mean?
It means that if Christ told a born again Christian to "depart, i never knew you" then He would be telling that to the very born again person in whom Christ RESIDES who is His "Bride"" and His "BODY of Christ'

A.) Not going to happen..

B.), Christ would be lying to tell a Christian He does not "know them" when in Fact, Christ is "IN THEM", and they are "IN Christ",.. they are His '""BRIDE""".. .They are His REDEEMED...... and they are "ONE WITH GOD", having become a SON/Daughter of God.

So, if a HERETIC tells you that a Christian can be told to "depart, i never KNEW YOU".. then just have a good laugh as you are dealing with a Theological pride filled FOOL..

All hooey and human speculation based on a wishful thinking. The Bride of Christ will be revealed on judgment day. Those who assume and presume are not likely to have any part of what brings honour and glory. God gives grace to the humble...not the presumptuous.

 

[Episkopos]

On the contrary,

So you think it's wise to lean on one's own understanding?? Are we the final arbiters of what God will honour? Or is that in God's hands?

Lean NOT on your own understanding. Turn your thinking around whereby you are not in God's place. Humble yourself and perhaps find a good end.

it's from leaning on man's own humanistic and man-centred understanding that has many folks believing people can be saved and receive eternal life apart from Christ.

This is a false argument. A Christian site does not attract people who want to establish a salvation scheme apart from Christ. So then you are using devious ideology to create a false narrative...and defend your own scheme of creating a false righteousness (a self-righteousness) based on an ideological belief based on you controlling who Jesus died for.

You have to think outside the box to see how your way is self-righteous. The Pharisees likewise could not apprehend the idea that they were self-righteous. They thought that the bible backed them up 100%...as modern Pharisees also do. But God is not in it. It's all in the decision-making imagination of people who have been indoctrinated in the prevailing religious culture. Why is it prevailing? The devil appeals to the self-interest of the uncrucified. And the majority is found there.

The scriptures are clear on how man may be saved,

Obey the commandments. That's the ONLY thing that we in our choice and power can do. We can't lift ourselves into heaven to empower ourselves to walk as Jesus walked. You have yet to think this through.

Holiness is by election only. No one decides to be holy. But we can decide to fear the Lord and depart from evil...and DO righteousness.

So your understanding is wrong...very wrong...going the opposite way to what is offered to us through the gospel.

and they teach outright that one's own righteousness cannot save a person.

No person can claim to be righteous by either their works or their beliefs. No flesh can be justified in His sight. Learn the bible.

Seems that some are deceived by an appearance of man's righteousness when God says the heart of man is deceitfully wicked who can know it.

Claiming God's righteousness is STILL self-righteousness. It just makes the sin that much greater.

The gospel is nothing less than the mystery of God hid from the foundation of the world......and God did nothing about solving the sin issue and saving man from His wrath for a very long time,

The key is how we react to the commandments. Look at the lawlessness that a misunderstanding of the gospel has created. These will be rejected.

Grace fulfills the law. Faith fulfills the law. The law is an indicator of how much grace we are walking in.

but now since Jesus came He commands all men everywhere to REPENT.

A universal call into righteousness and faith. Not that God is calling the righteous personally to repent (from their righteousness)

Jesus did NOT come to call the righteous to repentance. Someone who is well doesn't need a doctor. Read the bible.

I would think that those who would diminish the gospel and lead souls astray by teaching that it's optional are going to have a lot to answer for on the day of judgment, so hope they reconsider.

You are not seeing that people are in different places. Your over-simplification is based on a wrong assessment called "dogmatism". A construction site requires one wears a safety hat and steel toed boots. But to say that pilots also need to wear such when they fly is a wrong headed approach to safety.

Truly, dogmatic believers haven't a clue about the truth. No understanding at all.

 

[Behold]

What do you mean by "saved"

Jesus said...>>"you must be born again"...

Which means that the person's sin is ALL forgiven, based on the Cross of Christ, and they are then given a "new birth" in the Spirit that has restored their born again Spirit into eternal spiritual union with God.

This is to become a "new Creation in Christ".... "born again".

This is the "Son-Daughter" of God.
Its not your body or your mind.. its the Born again Spirit that is the "redeemed", that now exists "in Christ".

Being born again in the Spirit qualifies us for the race of faith

Its faith in Christ that establishes the sole reason that God will take a sinner, wash their sin away through the Blood of Jesus, and give them the new Birth, which is to become born again "in Christ", as "one with God".

That is how the believer BEGINS.. on day 1.

A.) "Made righteous"...

The rest, is just the daily walk of faith, that is discipleship., that is the "course", Paul speaks about ..

What Heretics do, is try to disqualify Salvation, that is "the GIFT of Salvation"...... by trying to present God's Redemption as... "God started it, but to keep it you have to do this, and do that, and so forth.....and THAT is Cross denying Theology...., which denies Salvation IS a Gift, and it utterly insults God's Grace.

Any reading skills and honesty will see that there are MANY warnings to NT believers (born again) that we can be as cut off as the original Israelites. Any other reading is based on folly.

I cant speak to your reading skills, but i can denounce your theology as a completed denial of God's Grace, and a perversion of the true understanding of 'THE Gift of Salvation", and "The Gift of Righteousness".

Wrong. The cross denying heretics are the ones who are cut off.

Cross denying Heretics do not give Christ alone full Credit for saving them and keeping them saved.

That's how you spot them, as they have a "Cross issue" in that they dont understand it, and are not able to understand it because they are "subverted within themselves"....... to the point that when they hear God's Grace being taught, it only offends them, and causes them to be more outspoken regarding their pride filled self effort to try to prove they, of themselves, can present their deeds to God as if God will accept them, in the end....after they die.... because of their deeds, works, self effort.

The Bride of Christ will be revealed on judgment day

You are always teaching such bizarre theology.

Listen...The Bride of Christ is all the Born again., as that is how a born again believer has become "The Bride of Christ".

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus said...>>"you must be born again"...

Which means that the person's sin is ALL forgiven, based on the Cross of Christ, and they are then given a "new birth" in the Spirit that has restored their born again Spirit into eternal spiritual union with God.

This is to become a "new Creation in Christ".... "born again".

This is the "Son-Daughter" of God.
Its not your body or your mind.. its the Born again Spirit that is the "redeemed", that now exists "in Christ".



Its faith in Christ that establishes the sole reason that God will take a sinner, wash their sin away through the Blood of Jesus, and give them the new Birth, which is to become born again "in Christ", as "one with God".

That is how the believer BEGINS.. on day 1.

A.) "Made righteous"...

The rest, is just the daily walk of faith, that is discipleship., that is the "course", Paul speaks about ..

What Heretics do, is try to disqualify Salvation, that is "the GIFT of Salvation"...... by trying to present God's Redemption as... "God started it, but to keep it you have to do this, and do that, and so forth.....and THAT is Cross denying Theology...., which denies Salvation IS a Gift, and it utterly insults God's Grace.



I cant speak to your reading skills, but i can denounce your theology as a completed denial of God's Grace, and a perversion of the true understanding of 'THE Gift of Salvation", and "The Gift of Righteousness".





Cross denying Heretics do not give Christ alone full Credit for saving them and keeping them saved.

That's how you spot them, as they have a "Cross issue" in that they dont understand it, and are not able to understand it because they are "subverted within themselves"....... to the point that when they hear God's Grace being taught, it only offends them, and causes them to be more outspoken regarding their pride filled self effort to try to prove they, of themselves, can present their deeds to God as if God will accept them, in the end....after they die.... because of their deeds, works, self effort.



You are always teaching such bizarre theology.

Listen...The Bride of Christ is all the Born again., as that is how a born again believer has become "The Bride of Christ".

Your error is very great. You put yourself in God's place to declare yourself righteous, saved and glorified. (a few like that here) No greater pride or false hubris can be displayed than what you so arrogantly claim...AND you insult those who try helping you out of your very obvious future condemnation. You still have time to repent.

 

[Lizbeth]

So you think it's wise to lean on one's own understanding?? Are we the final arbiters of what God will honour? Or is that in God's hands?

Where is the rest of my sentence? See you are not being honest here in twisting my words and you do this a lot. That's not good fruit either. You think it's clever but God sees it as dishonest scales. If you have the Spirit that would bother your conscience, unless you are deceived.

God's word and gospel corrects my own understanding, just as it corrects all ways and thoughts that seemeth right to man but which lead to death. I once thought I was a "good" person and not deserving of hell. Some people that knew me might have thought so too. The gospel corrected that wrong understanding of mine and theirs. God knows me much better than other people can know me, and the more I go along the more His light shows myself to me, and why I need the Saviour....the deceitful wickedness of the old man of the human heart is not a nice picture at all and I know it's the same for everybody. That's why I'm not so easily drawn in by an outward appearance of righteousness as you seem to be.

 

[Lizbeth]

No person can claim to be righteous by either their works or their beliefs. No flesh can be justified in His sight. Learn the bible.

He has not justified our flesh. Flesh cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. What He has done that justifies us is given us a new man/nature, one that is spiritual, of HIS Spirit, and is righteous.....not of the flesh.

 

[Lizbeth]

You are not seeing that people are in different places. Your over-simplification is based on a wrong assessment called "dogmatism". A construction site requires one wears a safety hat and steel toed boots. But to say that pilots also need to wear such when they fly is a wrong headed approach to safety.

Yes I am seeing people in different places. The bible tells us that the unbelieving are under condemnation and wrath already. That is the place they are at. And there is only one way for them to be lifted out/saved from that place. The rest of what you said here is man's reasoning which we are not to lean on.....but we need to rely on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

 

[Episkopos]

Yes I am seeing people in different places. The bible tells us that the unbelieving are under condemnation and wrath already.

Jesus is speaking to the Jews who are responsible for putting Him on the cross. He said that if the works He did would have been done in Sodom, even they would have repented.

So then the unbelieving in God's house are under condemnation unless they repent. And that includes modern believers who entertain so much unbelief. The same goes for the Laodiceans who are clearly Christians.

To make this a dogmatic statement about the whole world is wrong headed.

That is the place they are at. And there is only one way for them to be lifted out/saved from that place. The rest of what you said here is man's reasoning which we are not to lean on.....but we need to rely on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

You say that and do the very opposite, cherry-picking certain verses out of context...and making assumptions that are easily disproved by reading more of the bible...every word of it.

 

[Episkopos]

The truth is too deep and nuanced for dogmatic believers to get.

1. What must one do to INHERIT eternal life? Jesus said: "Obey the commandments" (right here the whole of modern Christendom fails miserably in contradicting Jesus' own words.)

2. What must one do to be saved FROM sin? Believe INTO Christ to abide in His life and victory over sin. Such have a shot at being the Bride of Christ. Such are saved by entering into eternal life.

We are saved NOW by grace through faith. How do we know that we are under grace? We fulfill the commandments of God...even the new commandment of Jesus to love as He loves. Only by entering INTO Him can we do as He does. Being under grace empowers us to fulfill the law of God. As such we also inherit eternal life...at the level of a saint.

 

[Behold]

Your error is very great.

Being born again, is the only proof of Salvation.
That's a fact.

You put yourself in God's place to declare yourself righteous

God gave me "the Gift of Righteousness". instantly, when i gave God my Faith in His Son, as my "faith was counted by GOD as (Christ's) Righteousness"... imputed to me.

Notice...

Therefore, "in any person be IN CHRIST< they (me) (all the born again) are become a NEW Creation".

A.) "New Creation in Christ"...

B.) "One with God".

C.) "Made Righteous, having received The Gift of Righteousness"..


All this im teaching you, @Episkopos is "baby christian" basics,... Salvation 101.... and yet you have no understanding of even the most basic study of Soteriology, that im showing you.

 

[Episkopos]

Being born again, is the only proof of Salvation.
That's a fact.



God gave me "the Gift of Righteousness". instantly, when i gave God my Faith in His Son, as my "faith was counted by GOD as (Christ's) Righteousness"... imputed to me.

Notice...

Therefore, "in any person be IN CHRIST< they (me) (all the born again) are become a NEW Creation".

A.) "New Creation in Christ"...

B.) "One with God".

C.) "Made Righteous, having received The Gift of Righteousness"..


All this im teaching you, @Episkopos is "baby christian" basics,... Salvation 101.... and yet you have no understanding of even the most basic study of Soteriology, that im showing you.

People should beware of your self-righteous naming and claiming for yourself. Instead, humility and the fear of the Lord are far wiser.

In your opinion you have the righteousness of God. But in reality you only have a self-righteousness that you want to defend through pride.

 

[Johann]

The truth is too deep and nuanced for dogmatic believers to get.

Not so--

Ephesians 1:13: "In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit."



Greek Text and Translation:
The Greek text of Ephesians 1:13 is as follows:
ἐν ᾧ καὶ ὑμεῖς ἀκούσαντες τὸν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας, τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τῆς σωτηρίας ὑμῶν, ἐν ᾧ καὶ πιστεύσαντες, ἐσφραγίσθητε τῷ πνεύματι τῆς ἐπαγγελίας τῷ ἁγίῳ.

Transliteration:
En hō kai hymeis akousantes ton logon tēs alētheias, to euangelion tēs sōtērias hymōn, en hō kai pisteusantes, esphragisthēte tō pneumati tēs epangelias tō hagiō.

Key Phrases and Exegesis:
ἐν ᾧ (En hō, "In Him"): --and not ALWAYS eis as you THINK it should be-

The phrase "In Him" refers to Christ. Paul is emphasizing that everything described in this verse is only possible "in Christ." The benefits mentioned—hearing the word of truth, believing, and being sealed with the Holy Spirit—are all experienced within the context of being united with Christ.
ἀκούσαντες τὸν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας (Akousantes ton logon tēs alētheias, "when you heard the word of truth"):

"Hearing" refers to receiving or being exposed to the Gospel message. The "word of truth" is synonymous with the Gospel, the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ. This phrase indicates that the process begins with hearing the Gospel.
τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τῆς σωτηρίας ὑμῶν (To euangelion tēs sōtērias hymōn, "the gospel of your salvation"):

The Gospel is specifically identified as the message that brings salvation. This emphasizes the centrality of the Gospel in God's plan for saving humanity. It's not just any message; it is the good news that leads to salvation.
ἐν ᾧ καὶ πιστεύσαντες (En hō kai pisteusantes, "when you believed"):

The verb "believed" (πιστεύσαντες, pisteusantes) is an aorist participle, indicating a completed action. This refers to the moment of faith, the decisive act of placing trust in Christ. Believing in Christ is the response to hearing the Gospel, and it is this belief that leads to the sealing with the Holy Spirit.
ἐσφραγίσθητε τῷ πνεύματι τῆς ἐπαγγελίας τῷ ἁγίῳ (Esphragisthēte tō pneumati tēs epangelias tō hagiō, "you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit"):

"Sealed" (ἐσφραγίσθητε, esphragisthēte) is an aorist passive verb, indicating that the action was done to the believers by an external agent—God. The seal refers to a mark of ownership and protection, signifying that those who believe in Christ are now God’s possession, marked by the Holy Spirit.
The "Holy Spirit of promise" (τῷ πνεύματι τῆς ἐπαγγελίας τῷ ἁγίῳ) refers to the Holy Spirit who was promised in the Old Testament (e.g., Ezekiel 36:26-27; Joel 2:28-29) and by Jesus (e.g., John 14:16-17). The Spirit's presence is the fulfillment of God's promise to dwell within His people.

Union with Christ:

The phrase "In Him" underscores that the spiritual blessings of hearing the Gospel, believing, and being sealed with the Holy Spirit are all dependent on being united with Christ. Union with Christ is a foundational theme in Paul's theology.
The Process of Salvation:

The sequence in the verse—hearing, believing, sealing—outlines the process of salvation. It begins with the proclamation of the Gospel (hearing), followed by the individual’s response (believing), and culminates in the reception of the Holy Spirit (sealing).
Sealing with the Holy Spirit:

Being sealed with the Holy Spirit indicates a number of important truths:
Ownership: The seal marks believers as belonging to God.
Security: The seal serves as a guarantee or down payment (ἀρραβών, arrabōn, Ephesians 1:14) of the future inheritance believers will receive.
Authenticity: The presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life authenticates their faith as genuine and assures them of their salvation.
Assurance of Salvation:

The sealing of the Holy Spirit provides believers with assurance of their salvation. The Holy Spirit acts as both the evidence of God's work in their lives and the guarantee of the future fulfillment of God's promises.

This seals and settles it for me and there is nothing "mysterious or mystical" about the good news.

 

[Behold]

People should beware of your self-righteous naming and claiming for yourself.

Im always happy to let the Reader read what you write about me, (and everyone else)..... as you can't teach anything related to the NT, that agrees with Paul's Doctrine.
You'd have to "google" that, and then pretend you "know it".
Yes, i see you... You are that one.
Listen...
You only post your bizarre theology as Threads and Videos...., and sometimes you attach a verse or a few.
So, let them read what i write..... and what you write, and they get to decide.

In your opinion you have the righteousness of God.

God says that "all who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved". and shall receive "the Gift of Righteousness".

That's me, and thats every born again Believer.. as we all have received from GOD = "the Gift of Righteousness" and "The Gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Eternal Life".

ALL ARE FREE...

Jesus said that "All who believe in me, i give unto you eternal life, and you shall never go to Hell (perish)".

So....You can continue to claim that They are only giving "opinion",..... as what else can you post or think, as the Cross denies and defines your false Theology.
The Blood of Jesus, denies your self righteousness Theology., forever.

You can't give Jesus The Christ full Credit for keeping you saved, as you dont even understand God's "Gift of Salvation" to begin with, @Episkopos .

 

[Lizbeth]

Your error is very great. You put yourself in God's place to declare yourself righteous, saved and glorified. (a few like that here) No greater pride or false hubris can be displayed than what you so arrogantly claim...AND you insult those who try helping you out of your very obvious future condemnation. You still have time to repent.

It is an unspeakable gift. And you know, it takes humility to acknowledge one's need of a Saviour and accept His charity. Pride is on the part of those who think their own righteousness is enough and don't need His gift.

 

[Episkopos]

It is an unspeakable gift.

An unspeakable gift but not an unspeakable assumption. The gift is to walk as Jesus walked...in His resurrection life. What we see is that people will take this to mean an unmerited "favour" of ignoring sin. But that is false. Grace empowers us to walk as Jesus walked. That is the unspeakable gift.

And you know, it takes humility to acknowledge one's need of a Saviour and accept His charity.

Or accept a gospel scheme that turns assumptions into humility?? We know we are failing in the power of the flesh. So then, is the gift the IGNORING of the failure? Or the empowering over that failure into the same victory over sin that Christ modeled to give us...as we partake of His life?

Pride is on the part of those who think their own righteousness is enough and don't need His gift.

Look at what you are saying. Pride is a work in those who think they have privilege with God to assume His righteousness as their own (very arrogant) and claim that they're claiming of His gift lets them off the hook of having to bear a holy, eternal and perfect fruit.

Who comes up with such schemes? The illusions and delusions come from the devil....and God permits this among those who have no love of the truth (or the law that reveals our true condition ) but instead take pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Lizbeth]

Jesus is speaking to the Jews who are responsible for putting Him on the cross.

Read the context of that in John 3....He is referring to the whole world not just unbelieving Jews. And which agrees with where it says elsewhere that the whole world lies under the wrath of God.

 

[Episkopos]

Read the context of that in John 3....He is referring to the whole world not just unbelieving Jews. And which agrees with where it says elsewhere that the whole world lies under the wrath of God.

Do you mean the part where Jesus says that God did not send His Son to condemn the world? And you are trying to contradict what Jesus said...by a misunderstanding of what He also said. Jesus did not come to call the righteous to repentance...but sinners. The fact that people refuse to believe Him is a phenomenon that exists in the church as well as the world.

Otherwise read more carefully...only those who believe INTO Jesus are saved from any possible condemnation. The same can't be said of those who name and claim falsely and take His name in vain.