Satan Demons Angels and Spiritual Warfare

[face2face]

Wow, you've run off into mysticism with those translations. How did you manage to connect "a satan" and a "a devil". Satan simply means "false accuser", but "a devil" is an actual person, also known as a Demon.

So who every taught you theology ripped you off and deceived you to believe a lie.

You are doing my head in Christian - are you a troll? Seriously! You have not posted one true fact in all this thread.

Satan

2252a שָׂטָן (śāṭān) adversary, one who withstands

J. Barton Payne, “2252 שָׂטַן,” Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (Chicago: Moody Press, 1999), 874.

NOTE: It's possible to have a good Satan! i.e when I tell you to stop posting lies I'm being a satan to you for you own good

Devil

1dev•il \ˈde-vəl dialect ˈdi-\ noun [Middle English devel, from Old English dēofol, from Late Latin diabolus, from Greek diabolos, literally, slanderer, from diaballein to throw across, slander, falsely accuse from dia- + ballein to throw; probably akin to Sanskrit gurate he lifts up] before 12th century

Inc Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary. (Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003).

Note: It's impossible to a good devil; i.e. someone who falsely accuses another by slandering them can never be good!

So what have you learned Christian?

In Bible Context its possible to have a good satan someone who stands in the way of another from doing something wrong or as Peter who was a poor adversary speaking the things of man and not God by being an adversary of Jesus.

But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.” Matt 16:23

Ironically Christian Jesus even gives you the definition of satan and you choose to ignore him for your evil lies!

Wow, imagine being in that position

F2F

 

[face2face]

How so?

Consider!

True, but the spiritual principalities in high places do exert a lot of influence on humanity. The Book of Daniel talks about the price of Perisa and the price of Greece. The Persian Empire was the dominant empire of Daniel's day. It was proceeded by the Greek Empire. Clearly, those spiritual principalities held sway over those empires and may have been involved in raising them up. Isaiah 14:3 and Ezkiel 28 both talk about earthly kings, but then the narrative shifts to Lucifer, who was the real power behind the earthly powers. Paul said as much, we don't wrestle against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickedness in high places (Eph 6:12). Revelation 20:3 says that Satan would be bound so he could deceive the nations no more. So clearly, Satan and his minions can exert influence.

If the name Lucifer is a symbolic for the King of Tyre how can your statement be true?

Also, you argument is inferred as there is no mention of this in Scripture, at all!

1. You have no context
2. You have no connection between Isa 14; Ezek 28 & Eph 6:12 (nothing at all!)
3. Each passage has it;s own meaning which you clearly ignore because you are forcing your own notions upon it

How can you take unrelated sections of Scripture, tie them together and import false thoughts into them? How do you do that with a clear conscience?

Show me where this fallen angel is the "real" power behind earthly powers.

F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

Your thoughtful reflection on the spiritual realities that surround us is a testament to your deep faith and desire to understand God's creation more fully. I am heartened by your humble approach to this complex subject, recognizing that we are all on a journey of learning and growth in our faith.

As you have wisely noted, the Scriptures reveal to us a spiritual realm that is both real and mysterious. Our loving God, in His infinite wisdom, has chosen to share with us what we need to know about these realities, while leaving much shrouded in mystery. This, I believe, is an invitation for us to deepen our trust in Him.

Your recognition of the very real spiritual battle we face is important. As St. Paul reminds us, we do indeed wrestle "against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places" (Ephesians 6:12). Yet, we must always remember that in this battle, we are not alone. Christ has already won the victory, and the Holy Spirit dwells within us, guiding and protecting us.

I am particularly moved by your emphasis on the power of the Holy Spirit in the life of believers. As you rightly point out, "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17). This beautiful truth should fill us with hope and courage. No matter what challenges or temptations we may face, we can trust in the transformative and protective power of God's love working within us.

I encourage you to continue your study of these matters, always grounding your understanding in Scripture and the teachings of the Church. But even more importantly, I urge you to focus on growing in your relationship with our loving God - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. For it is in this relationship that we find our true strength and protection.

Remember, as St. John assures us, "Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world" (1 John 4:4). Let this truth fill you with peace and joy as you continue your journey of faith.

I appreciate the fact that you haven't resorted to offer your private opinion of the matter, as many others have done.
As you rightly pointed out, God has revealed what we need to know about the Devil and His Demons, and not what we would like to know.

The bible makes it clear that God has hidden many things form us, for our own benefit. God hides these things from us, as a loving father would things like R rated horror movies from his little children. Satan deceived Eve, to eat the forbidden fruit, by saying that God is hiding this good thing from you.

The Devil and His Demons are doing the exact same thing today, they destroy people by posing as Angels of light and preaching a gospel of love and giving people a false sense of security. A little levin spoils the whole lump, so the Enemy makes small changes to the gospel and the whole gospel message becomes contaminated by the perversion.

Christians don't need to see how ugly and evil the Devil and His Demons are, I don't think anyone knows how depraved and blasphemous they are and it would make us sick in the stomach if we knew. So it's a good thing God keeps them out of our sight.

The so called "Deliverance Ministries" are a product of Demonic Doctrine. No such ministries were ever ordained by God, they were invented by deceived men to deceive others, so they serve Satan and make a mockery of the Church.

The word "deliverance" is synonymous with "salivation", it means the exact same thing. So these "deliverance ministries", are selling salvation like a consumer product. The truth is they have absolutely zero say in who God saves, and they have absolutely zero power to save anyone or offer salvation to anyone.

According to God, we are all born dead in out trespasses and sin. So in that sense we are already Demon possessed, a person is delivered when they are born again. God is the only One who can regenerate a person who is dead in sin. Nicodemus said it is impossible for a man to be born again, and Jesus agreed with him, saying "it is impossible with man, but all things are possible with God".

So there's no such thing as deliverance ministries, there is only One deliverance Minister and that is the Lord Himself. God has appointed Teachers, Pastors, Ministers and Shepherds to preach the gospel to the Church and to the whole world. He never appointed any "deliverance ministers", they are self appointed and their ministry is not approved of God, it is an abomination in His sight.

The gospel itself is the power of God to save sinners and deliver them from "demonic possession", those Charismatic ministers who claim to have a special gift or power to cast out demons are blind guides leading the blind. Both shall fall into a ditch.

 

[MA2444]

The Devil and His Demons are nothing more than a bunch of barking dogs, all they can do to the Christian is bark at him while e tries to witness to his family and friends. But they have to ask Gods permission if they want to harm a single hair on our heads.
This protection is only for Christians, God may allow the Devil and His Demons to do deceive unbelievers. Nobody knows what God may or may not allow them to do to unbelievers. That's Gods private business, He has never told anyone why or who or when or how.

So evil spirits do exist now? I thought you said they didnt because Jesus work on the cross put all the demons in chains or something like that? Now you say they do but have to ask permission? Which one is it?

Because if Jesus bound all the demons with His work, then why were the disciples casting evil spirits out in Acts 19? (After Jesus had ascended back to heaven).

12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.../KJV

 

[Christian Soldier]

I'm starting to see we don't read the same Bible...maybe yours has been written by your many teachers?

Now the serpent was more shrewd than any of the wild animals that the Lord God had made Ge 3:1

Can you see your issue?

Yes I can see your issue, someone has deceived you into believing that a Serpent can talk and is wiser than the people who were mad in Gods image.

I have killed many snakes, while hunting over the years. I have never come across one which deceived me with it's cunning and made me lost my salvation. Nor did I come across one which had the ability to speak as a man.

Can you see how your issue is silly and doesn't make any sense. Are you even aware that Satan used to be able to disguise Himself as a Serpent or even an Angel of light, hello!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yeah you are so infected it's not funny! It's a cancer in your mind; leprosy which is causing you to have rotting thoughts.

There are human angles (messengers)
There are divine angels (messengers)

by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. 2 Peter 1:4

for they cannot die anymore (divine nature!), because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:36

You know what its like talking to you? Every time you post one of your thoughts, its always wrong, every time! You are better not to post but rather ask questions of the Word - your statements are lies, all of them.

F2F

My issue is, every time I ask you questions, you answer with lies. You have never once answered a question that lines up with what the bible says. Every single answer is a perversion of Gods Word.

I'm trying to learn as much as truth as I can, but all you have contributed is lies. Your interpretation of the above versed is perverted and I show you why.

First of all there's no such thing as human angels, so that's a blatant lie form the Father of lies.

Secondly, there are no divine Angels, another blatant lie for which there are no scriptures to support the lie.

Thirdly, nobody will ever be divine. There are no scriptures to support this blatant lie.

2Peter 1:4
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

How did you arrive at the ludicrous conclusion, that Christians become divine being according to the above verse. How did you equate "partakers of the divine nature", to becoming divine individuals. You can partake in the victory of Christ over the Devil, in a way where you receive the benefits of His of His victory but that doesn't mean you poses His divinity as a ordinary garden variety partaker.
Just as you partake in the pride of the Australian gold medal recipients in Paris. You can boast as an Australian and receive the praise for being an Aussie but that doesn't mean you deserve a gold medal yourself.

Putting on immortality doesn't mean you put on Divinity. Every one of Gods elect is a son of God, but a son is nothing like the father. A son needs the Father to hold has hand and teach him everything because a son is a dumb sheep. So a dumb sheep will never attain Divinity, it will always remain dependent on the Shepherd.

I'm glad to have enlightened you with this irrefutable bible doctrine.

 

[doctrox]

I'm glad to have enlightened you with this irrefutable bible doctrine.

The same way you "enlightened us" with your lack of knowledge of the biblical existence of giants?

 

[Christian Soldier]

You are doing my head in Christian - are you a troll? Seriously! You have not posted one true fact in all this thread.

Satan

2252a שָׂטָן (śāṭān) adversary, one who withstands

J. Barton Payne, “2252 שָׂטַן,” Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (Chicago: Moody Press, 1999), 874.

NOTE: It's possible to have a good Satan! i.e when I tell you to stop posting lies I'm being a satan to you for you own good

Devil

1dev•il \ˈde-vəl dialect ˈdi-\ noun [Middle English devel, from Old English dēofol, from Late Latin diabolus, from Greek diabolos, literally, slanderer, from diaballein to throw across, slander, falsely accuse from dia- + ballein to throw; probably akin to Sanskrit gurate he lifts up] before 12th century

Inc Merriam-Webster, Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary. (Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003).

Note: It's impossible to a good devil; i.e. someone who falsely accuses another by slandering them can never be good!

So what have you learned Christian?

In Bible Context its possible to have a good satan someone who stands in the way of another from doing something wrong or as Peter who was a poor adversary speaking the things of man and not God by being an adversary of Jesus.

But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.” Matt 16:23

Ironically Christian Jesus even gives you the definition of satan and you choose to ignore him for your evil lies!

Wow, imagine being in that position

F2F

I have learned that you abuse Gods Word at every opportunity, you never ever ever, embrace the whole counsil of God to evaluate anything. You have tunnel vision that forces you to focus on a single point (verse) and making it say whatever you like. While ignoring the other 99.9% of scriptures which expose you false religious views.

The above description you cited, is one obscure translation of the word. It is not recognized by any respected theologian or bible scholar. You still haven't given any explanation of what all the other names and titles of Satan mean. See you just ignore those things that expose you, and focus on the obscure verses which you manipulate.

 

[face2face]

Yes I can see your issue, someone has deceived you into believing that a Serpent can talk and is wiser than the people who were mad in Gods image.

I have killed many snakes, while hunting over the years. I have never come across one which deceived me with it's cunning and made me lost my salvation. Nor did I come across one which had the ability to speak as a man.

Can you see how your issue is silly and doesn't make any sense. Are you even aware that Satan used to be able to disguise Himself as a Serpent or even an Angel of light, hello!

You doubt God can give an animal its carnal voice?
Are you serious? You would force your theology on Genesis 3 over and above the actual meaning of the record?

You would make void the entire message of the Scriptures by inserting your man-made notions?

The Carnal mind is that which is “pertaining to the flesh.” For the literal use see Rom 15:27; 1 Cor 9:11; 2 Cor 10:4; Heb 7:16; 9:10; for the metaphorical, Rom 7:14; 8:7; 1 Cor 3:1, 3, 4 where reference is to the old nature, or “old man"

The whole lesson in Gen 3 is the Carnal Mind (voice of the Serpent) having dominion over the Voice of the Spirit.

You have a lot to learn Christian

F2F

 

[Christian Soldier]

So evil spirits do exist now? I thought you said they didnt because Jesus work on the cross put all the demons in chains or something like that? Now you say they do but have to ask permission? Which one is it?

Because if Jesus bound all the demons with His work, then why were the disciples casting evil spirits out in Acts 19? (After Jesus had ascended back to heaven).

12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.../KJV

I never claimed that evil spirits don't exist, I paraphrased the bible verse where Jesus bound the strong man so He can plunder his house. If you did a casual study of that verse and it's context you would find that Jesus was speaking about Himself coming into the world and binding the strong man (the Devil) and plundering his goods.

So Jesus disabled the Prince/Ruler of this world, and plundered his goods. His goods are the people who were in bondage to Satan, so Christ knocked Satan out by technical knockout and then He was able to release of his prisoners. Satan never recovered from that beating He and His Demons remain disabled to this day

So evil spirits do exist in Gods prison, God does allow them to do certain things to the reprobate, but they are utterly powerless to cause any child of God to lose his salvation. So all they can do is bark, but they can never bite a Christian. So Gods people are immune to anything the evil spirits can do, because they are utterly powerless an dead to us.

Jesus didn't deliver every single person who was possessed while He was on the earth, so there were still many alive who were possessed after He ascended back to heaven. That's why He gave His Disciples the power to cast them out, but there were no new possessions after that time and so that power never had to be given to anyone else.

 

[face2face]

My issue is, every time I ask you questions, you answer with lies. You have never once answered a question that lines up with what the bible says. Every single answer is a perversion of Gods Word.

No - you import lies then you regurgitate them onto the forum as though they are truth

I'm trying to learn as much as truth as I can, but all you have contributed is lies. Your interpretation of the above versed is perverted and I show you why.

First of all there's no such thing as human angels, so that's a blatant lie form the Father of lies.

You are not trying to learn Christian - you are spewing your lies on top of lies all over the place - you are out of control!

Angels

The Greek word "aggelos" translated "angel" means "messenger, agent", and is used of both human and divine messengers. It is used of humans in the following places:

Matt. 11:10; Luke 7:24, 27; 9:52; and James 2:25.

I'm growing tired of your ignorance Christian

F2F

 

[face2face]

I have learned that you abuse Gods Word at every opportunity, you never ever ever, embrace the whole counsil of God to evaluate anything. You have tunnel vision that forces you to focus on a single point (verse) and making it say whatever you like. While ignoring the other 99.9% of scriptures which expose you false religious views.

The above description you cited, is one obscure translation of the word. It is not recognized by any respected theologian or bible scholar. You still haven't given any explanation of what all the other names and titles of Satan mean. See you just ignore those things that expose you, and focus on the obscure verses which you manipulate.

When someone is caught out like you have just been the expected response of a true disciple of the Lord is one of humility and a willingness to learn truth.

You fail on both counts

F2F

 

[doctrox]

You are doing my head in Christian - are you a troll? Seriously! You have not posted one true fact in all this thread.

You got 'em!

...you answer with lies. You have never once answered a question that lines up with what the bible says.

You got 'em again!
And, of course, he has refused to answer the biblical imperative regarding his "giants" faux pas, as well - calling the kettle black with this comment:

See you just ignore those things that expose you...

lol, the fun never ends.
Had a look at the sum of his postings - very telling.

I'm growing tired of your ignorance Christian

Good to hear, as it's time to let a sleeping dog lie.
FWIW, have you ever heard of click banks?

 

[face2face]

Can you see how your issue is silly and doesn't make any sense. Are you even aware that Satan used to be able to disguise Himself as a Serpent or even an Angel of light, hello!

Again I'm needing to teach you.

11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 11:15 Therefore it is not surprising his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will correspond to their actions 2 Co 11:14–15.

What is the Context?
Who is Paul referring to?
Provide evidence from Corinthians!

Show from Scripture your understanding and don't force your false doctrines upon the Word

If you don't understand the text - ask!

F2F

 

[face2face]

FWIW, have you ever heard of click banks?

No, happy to learn

 

[doctrox]

...click banks

Well, it's "Christian Soldier's" OP, so I wouldn't want to hijack it, since he's "currently doing a study on this subject and (he's) far from completing the study, so (he's) not fully equipped to defend what (he) believes about this difficult subject." With 357 posts over the past 37 days, he's a busy guy.

But we could get into the details of exactly how paid trolls ply their wares (re: click banks), perhaps in another thread.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The same way you "enlightened us" with your lack of knowledge of the biblical existence of giants?

I never denied the existence of Giants, I just don't agree with some of the views regarding their origin. We don't know all the facts, regarding the giants, so we shouldn't be presumptuous.

Some say that everything was bigger in the preflood world, we have good fossil evidence to support that, but as for the nature of the giants, we just don't have enough information in the Bible to be certain about their nature and origin.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You doubt God can give an animal its carnal voice?
Are you serious? You would force your theology on Genesis 3 over and above the actual meaning of the record?

You would make void the entire message of the Scriptures by inserting your man-made notions?

The Carnal mind is that which is “pertaining to the flesh.” For the literal use see Rom 15:27; 1 Cor 9:11; 2 Cor 10:4; Heb 7:16; 9:10; for the metaphorical, Rom 7:14; 8:7; 1 Cor 3:1, 3, 4 where reference is to the old nature, or “old man"

The whole lesson in Gen 3 is the Carnal Mind (voice of the Serpent) having dominion over the Voice of the Spirit.

You have a lot to learn Christian

F2F

God can do anything He pleases, but it's foolish to suggest that God gave a snake a voice and intelligence to destroy the people He created in His image.
To suggest that God would posses a snake for the purpose of destroying His people is ludicrous and foolish in the extreme.

 

[Christian Soldier]

No - you import lies then you regurgitate them onto the forum as though they are truth




You are not trying to learn Christian - you are spewing your lies on top of lies all over the place - you are out of control!

Angels

The Greek word "aggelos" translated "angel" means "messenger, agent", and is used of both human and divine messengers. It is used of humans in the following places:

Matt. 11:10; Luke 7:24, 27; 9:52; and James 2:25.

I'm growing tired of your ignorance Christian

F2F

There you go again, trying to make verses say what they are not saying so you can push your false religion.

There is no mention of Angel in Matt 11:10 it only mentions a man who was sent to proclaim a message. Nothing about Angels whatsoever, so you're desperately trying to force your false interpretation on the verse. You would gain more respect if you admitted the truth, that you don't know what the verse is saying.

Again Luke 7:24 nothing about Angels. Again Luke 7:24 never claims that John the Baptist was an Angel, so your lying again.

I can keep exposing the rest of your lies with the bible, but I'll just say that you haven't got a single verse of scripture right thus far. I would teach you how to study the bible, the correct way but you are not able to endure sound doctrine.

 

[MA2444]

He gave His Disciples the power to cast them out, but there were no new possessions after that time and so that power never had to be given to anyone else.

Where does it say that in scripture?