Can a Christian be Demon Posessed

[Chuckt]

It is an excuse to be a responsible Christian.

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(I left out giving credit to one author to later prove it is mine if stolen. After writing it, I had one person say that the Bible wasn't true since I was correct and I had other people whom I didn't persuade.)

[SIZE=8pt]Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]Christians do not hate Jesus so why does Charismatic theology teach Generational Curses? It is an excuse because "Name it and Claim it" isn't Biblical and because it doesn't work they have to blame you.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]I feel that some Charismatic teaching has given rise to spiritism because of the overemphasis on demons, devils and generational curses being the sole cause of our problems causing us to need constant deliverance instead of us focusing on correcting our sin. You would be trying to tell me that sin isn't wilfull but every sin is wilfull![/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]The idea that we have generational curses is completely false in a new testament setting. Galatians 3:13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:" If you believe in generational curses then you can't believe that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. Proverbs 26:2 says,"As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come." Since Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, a curse causeless shall not come so you can stop believing that the demons are putting the curse of your father's sin on you so if we believe that Christ has been made curse for us then any curse causeless shall not come. John 9:3 "Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]1. “In Your Faith” broadcast by Pastor Joe Domico, Galatians 3:13, Proverbs 26:2[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]“Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but have power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.”-I Cor. 7:37[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]The word for “Power” is “Exousia”. Exousia is Strong’s # 1849 which means,”force, capacity, competency, freedom, mastery, magistrate, superhuman, potentate, authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, or strength.” Paul is saying that Christians have the Royal right or authority over their own will.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]If you don't have the authority over your own will then how will you get authority over a demon to cast it out?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]1 John 5:18 ¶ We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]It says "that wicked one toucheth him not". What would be more clearer than that? There is a way to keep yourself in the love of God by praying:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth (680, haptomai) him not.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch (680, haptomai) me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]The same word for ‘the wicked one “toucheth” him not’ is haptomai and it is the same word “haptomai” used by Jesus and the idea is “don’t cling to me mary”. If John says that the wicked one “toucheth him not” then the idea is that demons can’t cling to Christians.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world."-1 John 4:4[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,"-Ephesians 1:13[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]If the devil can break the seal and indwell you then the Devil is stronger than God (which is false) and can indwell the bodies of believers because they say that the body isn’t sealed because if God sealed our bodies then it wouldn’t be subject to sin and death. They claim that the devil can build strongholds (II Cor. 10) in our bodies because our bodies are just containers and our bodies are not the real “us”. The reality is we’re subject to the law of sin and death based on the curse of God because of our sin.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]Where is the scripture that says our bodies aren't the real us? Where does scripture say that the seal only concerns salvation? Where does scripture say that our bodies are just containers?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal (body) must put on immortality."-I Cor. 15:53 The reason the Jews buried their bones was a belief and testimony that God would raise their bodies one day. The reason atheists have their bodies cremated is to make it harder for God to raise them for the day of judgment.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."-I Cor. 6:20[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]I Cor. 6:20 calls your 'body' and 'spirit' "God's" property.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]A seal is Strong's #4972 which means to stamp for security or preservation. We're stamped making us God's property. God did not stamp us for healing because the word comes from 4973 which means that we're sealed from "Misappropriation" which would be demon possession because it (signet) means 'fenced in'. The law of sin and death has not been repealed by God so we will get sick and die.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]John 5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]John 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]John 5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]If we were demon possessed because of sickness then what ability does the Paralytic man have in and of himself to take up his bed and walk? None. Right? He got up because God gave him the ability. Well the word of God tells us to live right and when God tells us to live right then we have the ability to live right 1 ; demon or no demon.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]It would be wrong for me to blame demons on my child not learning instead of teaching him how to pass subjects in school and it is time people take responsibility for their lives instead of hurting themselves and others because they want to give too much credit to demons. When we focus on Satan instead of Jesus then I feel that is wrong. Rebuking demons instead of being accountable, being responsible, parenting our children and being responsible adults is to hide from our responsibility and to ignore the sins of our flesh.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, *All* power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. So when the Bible tells us to live right then God gives you the power to obey.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]"Some of the names given by these supposed demons which are more popular are lust, hatred, liar gluttony, envy, fear, and jealousy. These things are classified in Galatians 5:19-21 as the works of the flesh. We're told to 'put off all these' (Colossians 3:8), or by the Spirit to "mortify the deeds of the body" (Romans 8:13; 6:3-14). Not once are we commanded to have them cast out."-Pastor Chuck[/SIZE]

[SIZE=8pt]I disagree that anger, lust, depression or rebellion are all caused by demons because they are works of the flesh. Demons are more interested in high oil prices, inflation, world leaders than you and me.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=8pt]This article helped a blog writer win a reward and the person debating me wasn't born again so he/she said, "I guess the Bible isn't true" because they believe the theology of demon possession over the Bible.[/SIZE]

 

[clark thompson]

A person can not both have the Spirit and a demon in them.

 

[doctrox]

[Spotted this under the "Similar Threads" prompt; yeah, I know it's 10 years old, but it demands a response.]

A person can not both have the Spirit and a demon in them.

Of course he can.

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. (James 1:8)

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. (James 4:8)

double minded = dipsychos = two-spirited

[G1374 - dipsychos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)]

 

[BlessedPeace]

No.

 

[BlessedPeace]

What does it mean to be double-minded? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean to be double-minded (doubleminded)? What is the meaning of James 1:8 and 4:8?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[doctrox]

The word of God, and not an OpEd piece, is our final authority in all matters of faith and practice.

 

[CC7799]

A person can not both have the Spirit and a demon in them.

I agree.

 

[Reddsta]

A person can not both have the Spirit and a demon in them.

So you say...by what authority is it that you say this?

Redd...:)

 

[Verily]

[Spotted this under the "Similar Threads" prompt; yeah, I know it's 10 years old, but it demands a response.]

Of course he can.

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. (James 1:8)

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. (James 4:8)

double minded = dipsychos = two-spirited

[G1374 - dipsychos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)]

He addressed a few of them double, for example

"Martha Martha"... "Simon Simon"...."Saul Saul"....

Theres doubletongued

1 Ti 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued

1. saying the same thing twice, repeating
2. double tongued, double in speech, saying one thing with one person another with another (with the intent to deceive)

I wonder if this could be as inclusive into the whole double stuff

Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works

Then there are those who call him " Lord Lord" who always land in the foolish category (who do not do what he says)

 

[Hobie]

[Spotted this under the "Similar Threads" prompt; yeah, I know it's 10 years old, but it demands a response.]

Of course he can.

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. (James 1:8)

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. (James 4:8)

double minded = dipsychos = two-spirited

[G1374 - dipsychos - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)]

Very true as we see by what Christ did..

Luke 8:1-3
1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

 

[Scott Downey]

Flat out pure demonic possession, I don't think so.
Spiritual oppression and also believing false doctrines of demons yes.

Consider what happens with Peter, whom Satan spoke through rebuking Christ.

Jesus Predicts His Death and Resurrection​

21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.

22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, [i]“Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are [j]an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

 

[Taken]

Can a Christian be Demon Posessed​

Can a Christian be Demon possessed?
Yes.
Why?
Because the Term Christian does Not define the Term Converted.

Can a CONVERTED PERSON be Demon possessed?
No.
Why?
Because they ARE possessed by the Spirit of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Simonides]

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[doctrox]

Yeah, the "possession" thing has always been a red herring. I've posted so many times on this, but I'll briefly do it yet again from another angle. I'm involved in deliverance, so this is a part of my 9-to-5.

The Spirit of a follower of Jesus Christ cannot be possessed/replaced by the spirit of a devil. But it's a moot point (the red herring) if the believer is up to his eyeballs in unrepentant unconfessed sin. Either way, both a believer and an unbeliever can be rendered "neutered for Christ" by those devils.

So the believer can be oppressed by devils to the point of worthlessness (or worse) for the Kingdom. And an unbeliever is already the main course for devils.

We need to be less concerned about the "possession vs. oppression" issue and rather busy about deliverance i.e. getting set free from devils that are resident in the believer's flesh. Men in bondage make poor witnesses (to say the least)...

 

[doctrox]

From the OP:

Can a Christian be Demon Posessed​

The main question remains: "Can a believer have a devil/demon within his body?" Let's resolve the misunderstanding behind evangelical Christianity's obsession with "possession" and conclusively answer that oft-asked question.

In order to arrive at a clear definition, one must first deal with the key word and then the key expression.

The Key Word

The key word is daimonizomai, which means, "to be demonized." It means, "to be controlled by a demon from within." This is the word that is frequently translated as "possessed by a demon." The problem with this definition is that the Greek word for "possession" is never used in conjunction with demons. What is found is always daimonizomai or "to be controlled by a demon from within." Rather than defining or translating the term as "demon possession," which for many people implies ownership by a demon, for clarity we can simply use "demonic control." This key word is found in the Greek text of Mat. 4:24; 8:16, 28, 33; 9:32; 12:22; 15:22; Mark 1:32; 5:15-16, 18; Luke 8:36; John 10:21.

The Key Expression

The key expression that means the same thing as the word daimonizomai, though the word itself is not used, is "to have a demon." The key expression emphasizes residency. The emphasis of the key word is on control, but the emphasis of the key expression is on residency in that with demonic control the demon is residing within that person. This key expression is found in Mat. 11:18; Luke 7:33; John 7:20; 8:48; 10:20; Acts 8:7; 16:16.

The Definition

By combining the key word and the key expression, a specific definition can be derived. By way of definition, demonic control involves a demon residing in a person and exercising direct control over that person with a certain degree of derangement of the mind or physical upset of the body. This definition takes into account the key word, the key expression, and the results. Again, demonic control involves: a demon residing in a person, emphasizing the key expression; exercising direct control over that person, emphasizing the key word; resulting in a certain degree of derangement of the mind or body, which is the result of a demon residing in a person and exercising direct control.

A good example of this in practice is Mat. 12:43-45, which discusses the demon's place and emphasizes both the key word and the key phrase. In Mark 5:1-20, there is an example of the result of demonic control, both in the physical and mental aspects.

The Distinctions

To get a clearer picture of what is meant by demonic control, a distinction needs to be made between demonic control and two other types of demonic activities.

a. Demonic Harassment

One type of demonic activity is demonic harassment, where a demon harasses a person from without. An example of this is found in 1 Thes. 2:18, which speaks of Satan hindering the plans of a believer. This is demonic harassment, when demons hinder the work of a believer.

b. Demonic Influence

A second type of demonic activity that must not be confused with demonic control is that of demonic influence. An example of this is Mat. 16:21-23. After Jesus made the statement that he was going to die, Peter said that no such thing would come upon him. Then Jesus turned around and, facing Peter, he said: Get thee behind me, Satan. Obviously, Satan was trying to keep Jesus from the cross. At that point, Peter had been influenced by Satan to try to dissuade Jesus from going to the cross. Peter was under demonic infuence.

Demonic control should be distinguished from both demonic harassment and demonic influence. Demonic harassment and demonic influence are activities outside the person, but demonic control takes place inside the person.

Can a believer be demonized?

Can a demon control a believer? Normally, this question is phrased, "Can a believer be possessed by a demon?" As I pointed out earlier, the word "possession" is what is causing the misunderstanding. If by possession one means "ownership," then the answer is "No! A believer can never be possessed by a demon in the sense of ownership." According to 1 Cor. 6:20, the believer has been purchased by the Messiah, he is owned by the Messiah, and he can never be owned by Satan; he can only be owned by the Messiah. But the biblical usage is "control from within." If the question is rephrased as, "Can a believer be controlled by a demon from within?", then the answer is, "Yes, he can." There are two passages that make this clear.

First is Acts 5:1-4, the case of Ananias and Sapphira. Peter asked: Why has Satan filled your heart? using the same Greek word that Paul used in Eph 5:18, when he spoke of being filled with the Spirit. Just as to be filled with the Spirit means to be controlled by the Holy Spirit, so to be "filled with Satan" means to be controlled by Satan. The Holy Spirit controls from within and so, then, must Satan, since the same Greek word is used. The Bible does teach that a believer can be controlled by a demon from within.

A second passage is Eph. 4:27, where Paul wrote: Do not give place to the devil. Paul used a Greek word that means "beachhead." When an army attacks, it first sends in soldiers to control a beachhead. This beachhead is inside enemy territory. Once that is done, the reinforcements can come in while those in the beachhead give cover fire. A beachhead is an area of control within enemy territory. A believer can be controlled through a beachhead within, so a believer can be controlled by a demon.

The distinction between believers and unbelievers is not that a believer cannot be controlled and an unbeliever can be controlled. Rather, the difference is a matter of the extent of the control. An unbeliever can be totally controlled, but a believer can only be partially controlled, never totally controlled.

Again, the common objection has been: "How can a demon reside in the same body with the Holy Spirit?" Most believers realize that they still have a sin-nature. The Holy Spirit coexists with the sin-nature of the believer, both of which are within. The point is that the believer has two natures. The Holy Spirit resides in the new nature, not in the old sin-nature. The demon resides not in the new nature, but in the old sin-nature. The fact that there are two natures coexisting within the believer shows why both a demon and the Holy Spirit can coexist within the believer; they reside in two different natures.

The proper way of handling sin in the believer's life is the way of Romans 6: we must recognize that both our sin-nature and old man were crucified with Christ the moment we believed, thus breaking the bondage to sin. Now, we must make the decision not to let our bodies be used as instruments for sin. That is the New Testament pattern and the one we should follow.

One last thing by way of definition is that demonic control can be repeated (Mat. 12:43-45; Luke 11:24-26).