Open Debate Challenge on My Defending the KJV as the Perfect Word for Today in English

[Grailhunter]

Again, you are not qualified to make such a claim. You are a Greek pretender. You are attacking that which you do not understand. But don't worry, there will be a Judgment if you don't repent, my friend. God will not take your attacks on His Word lightly.

Boy do you got that wrong.

 

[Christian Soldier]

And neither should you believe that "Bible Doctrine" even exists.

Correct, "Bible Doctrine" does not exist.
Doctrine is man-made and ONLY a man-made interpretation of what the reader believes the Bible is saying.

There 1st Baptist churches.
There are also 2nd Baptist and 3rd Baptist churches. What's the difference? (doctrine)

Which of these churches has "Bible Doctrine":
- 1st Baptist churches?
- 2nd Baptist churches?
- 3rd Baptist churches?

There can only be one TRUE "Bible Doctrine", correct?

Which of these churches will you condemn as NOT having "Bible Doctrine"?

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More lies, to suggest that Bible Doctrine doesn't exist is a straight out lie.

I know you don't believe that the Bible is Gods Word, so naturally you don't believe in Bible Doctrine.

You try to muddy the water by saying that Bible Doctrine is man made, and that's a lie because it's God made. Just because most "Christians" pervert bible doctrine and invent their own, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

It's evident that you don't know what true bible doctrine is, but you can only speak for yourself. You don't know who knows the truth because you don't believe that the truth exists to begin with.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Boy do you got that wrong.

Ah, so you do know how to write, read, speak, and listen in Modern Greek, and you also can read Koine Greek. Do you know who Georgios Babiniotis Is?

Please watch this video.

 

[Christian Soldier]

That's a fine mess of double-talk. I don't accuse God of "burning people forever in hell", but you do.
Unless you are claiming that the people God burns in hell aren't actually people? (subhuman) ???

What should we conclude when you write: "He doesn't cast righteous people into hell..."
What sort of people does he cast into hell? And why would you "falsely accuse the God of the Bible of burning people forever in hell"?

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If you go back to elementary bible class, you will find that God doesn't burn people in hell forever. He burns "wicked people" forever.

I praise Him for burning wicked people forever, they deserve it because they don't know Him.

Why do you insist on making God a cruel monster who just burns people forever. Why don't you admit that, they aren't normal people. By omitting the word "wicked" you try to say that God burns all kinds of people and that's another one of your lies.

Gods Children praise Him for punishing those who don't know Him, with eternal torment in hell fire. But you accuse Him of being evil for giving sinners the punishment they deserve.

 

[Grailhunter]

Ah, so you do know how to write, read, speak, and listen in Modern Greek, and you also can read Koine Greek. Do you know who Georgios Babiniotis Is?

Please watch this video.

I am sure I know more about than you do.

 

[BarneyFife]

All doctrine is man-made.

How do we then understand this?

John 7:16-17 — Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

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[BarneyFife]

This is like watching kids in a sandbox.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Oh, but they can, indeed. It happens all the time.

I could just as easily say: "A person cannot say that a person cannot act like an expert when they clearly can."

And, trouble is, your present point is not all that matters in the discussion.

So you really don’t care that he is saying that the English word “doctrine” is an incorrect translation from the Greek in 1 Timothy 4:16?
Even the NIV has the word “doctrine” in this verse. So it is not exclusively the KJV that is the problem here (as he is claiming). The word ”teaching” is used in other Modern Translations, which is a synonym for “doctrine.” So he is acting like he knows a language when he really doesn’t and he is claiming to know more than others who translated Bibles that are commonly accessible to the public. He has a lone-wolf interpretation and we have to go to him to get the words of God. We have to bow and kiss his ring and hope he gives us the right words from God. What would we have done without him? Oh, boy. We are so lucky.

The view that the King James Version is supremely inspired (or whatever your specific claim is; I can't recall just now) is unsustainable on so many practical levels as to make it especially susceptible to ridicule and, therefore, needlessly damaging to its reputation as a truly excellent translation of Scripture.

So then where are the words of God that are perfect and inerrant that you can hold in your hands?

And if you think this is an invitation to debate technical points—think again.

I got bored with that about 20 years ago.

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Not sure how you can say that. I don’t find the Bibliology topic boring at all. I love the Bible because it is how I know of my Savior Jesus Christ and how to follow after Him.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I am sure I know more about than you do.

Watch the video. Maybe you will learn something significant on this topic for a change.

Side Note:

Are you claiming to know more than Georgios Babiniotis?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I am sure I know more about than you do

 

[Grailhunter]

Are you claiming to know more than Georgios Babiniotis?

That much is obvious.

Just the fact that you are defending the accuracy of the KJV proves that you do not have a grip on the biblical languages, nor are interested in the truth or even care because it is just not that hard to see the errors.

And this is coming from someone that likes the KJV, but it is not a God and there are a lot translations and a lot of different types of translations. But as far as a accurate literal translation the KJV is not. As far as easy to read and understand the KJV is not the one to pick.

Now if you are looking for a historical representation of Christian beliefs in the 17th century, you can find some of that in the KJV.

If you are looking for scripture put to poetry the KJV is great.

But for understanding and accuracy it fails on both counts. And the fact that it is the Bible of choice for all cults because a lot of people can’t understand it and the cult leaders can twist the meaning.

 

[St. SteVen]

False doctrine = false Jesus = no salvation. The fake Jesus can't save anyone.

How do you know you have the true Jesus? What if the church lied to you about Jesus?

Did Jesus die to save you from God?

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[St. SteVen]

This is like watching kids in a sandbox.

At least the cat left us some ammo.

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[St. SteVen]

Doctrine is the application of scripture

Glad to see that you have revised your definition. Real progress.

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[St. SteVen]

Glad to see that you have revised your definition. Real progress.

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And now you say this.

Christian Soldier said:
Doctrine is the application of scripture

You try to muddy the water by saying that Bible Doctrine is man made

Make up your mind.

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[St. SteVen]

Another fine mess of double-talk.

If you go back to elementary bible class, you will find that God doesn't burn people in hell forever. He burns "wicked people" forever.

So... wicked people aren't people? Double-talk.

I praise Him for burning wicked people forever, they deserve it because they don't know Him.

Not knowing God is a crime punishable by eternal torment? Why?

Why do you insist on making God a cruel monster who just burns people forever. Why don't you admit that, they aren't normal people. By omitting the word "wicked" you try to say that God burns all kinds of people and that's another one of your lies.

I'm making God a cruel monster? You're that one that says he burns people forever for not knowing him. Maybe he should introduce himself instead of incinerating them.

Gods Children praise Him for punishing those who don't know Him, with eternal torment in hell fire. But you accuse Him of being evil for giving sinners the punishment they deserve.

Isn't he giving sinners the punishment YOU deserve?

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[St. SteVen]

How do we then understand this?

John 7:16-17 — Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

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That's a good question.
I like the NIV translation which is better supported by the Greek.
They both say "teaching" instead of doctrine. And Jesus says to test his teaching to see if it is from God.
So, even Jesus does not take teaching (didache) as unquestionable. Try and see.

John 7:16-17 NIV
Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.
17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.



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[BarneyFife]

So you really don’t care that he is saying that the English word “doctrine” is an incorrect translation from the Greek in 1 Timothy 4:16?

I've learned not to care about anything he says.

So then where are the words of God that are perfect and inerrant that you can hold in your hands?

I don't know, hidden in the heart, that we might not sin against Him?

The language is not what gives the Word its supreme power. It is He who speaks it, and I can assure you that they do not speak Medieval English in the heavenly Canaan beyond Orion.

Ultimately, God's thoughts and ways are above and past finding out. I didn't learn these things from having the most technically correct translation of the Bible.

Men have been saved by just a few pages of Scripture sewn into the garments of brave men and smuggled into villages where the Bible was outlawed.

You do, I hope, realize that most of the world doesn't even speak the language of the KJV.

Not sure how you can say that. I don’t find the Bibliology topic boring at all. I love the Bible because it is how I know of my Savior Jesus Christ and how to follow after Him.

The implication here is that those who aren't fascinated with Bibliology don't love the Bible. If that's not what you mean, then that's fine, but Systematic Theology (of which Bibliology is a branch) just isn't some folks' cup of tea, you know?

And the cause of the Gospel might be better served by modifying our own expression—which is the only Bible many of our acquaintances will ever 'read'—to contain less criticism and one-upmanship than by trumpeting on about the "perfect and inerrant" expression of a limited-access translation.

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[BarneyFife]

That's a good question.
I like the NIV translation which is better supported by the Greek.
They both say "teaching" instead of doctrine. And Jesus says to test his teaching to see if it is from God.
So, even Jesus does not take teaching (didache) as unquestionable. Try and see.

John 7:16-17 NIV
Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.
17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

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What a mess of double-talk and equivocation!

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[BarneyFife]

That's a good question.
I like the NIV translation which is better supported by the Greek.
They both say "teaching" instead of doctrine. And Jesus says to test his teaching to see if it is from God.
So, even Jesus does not take teaching (didache) as unquestionable. Try and see.

John 7:16-17 NIV
Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.
17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

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Honestly, though, I don't care what kind of label you slap on it.

Either it comes from God or from man.

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