When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

[tailgator]

I've never written that 167 BC was "the time of the end" that Daniel 12:4 was referring to. Evidently you haven't read enough of my position yet if you presume that is the meaning of my comments.

That particular "time of the end" in Daniel 12:4 was the time when the power of Daniel's people was shattered (Dan. 12:7). This happened after 3-1/2 years (42 months) of the city and the sanctuary being trodden underfoot (Rev. 11:2), just as the angel predicted in Dan. 12:7, which was by AD 70.

All the seals of Revelation 6 were opened in John's first-century generation. That is because Revelation itself tells us that the time for those predictions to be fulfilled was "AT HAND" as John was writing the book. I believe John, and Christ Jesus who sent those messages to John of things in his immediate future that were "ABOUT TO BE hereafter" (Rev. 1:19).

PS
There is only 3.5 years from Daniel 11:31 to Daniel 12:2.

1290 days to be exact.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Oh wait.You don't believe Jesus.
You believe the abomination of desolation was a man killing a pig in 167 bc as Jason taught.

You need to stop telling me what I believe. You are creating strawmen all over the place. That is not what I have written, and is certainly not what scripture teaches that the abomination of desolation was. Luke 21:20 interpreted what the AOD was, and it was "Jerusalem surrounded by ARMIES". No pigs mentioned at all.

Daniel 9:27 wrote that "with the ABOMINABLE ARMIES he shall make it desolate..." Standing armies invading a nation are notorious for wasting a landscape and the resources of a region, as well as killing people and breaking things. All kinds of desolations follow an invading army. This was true under Antiochus E.'s invasion of Jerusalem, and it was true again in AD 66 when the Roman army squared off against the Zealot armies at Jerusalem. This AD 66 AOD was what Christ warned His own disciples about.

That AOD in AD 66 launched the period Christ called "the Great Tribulation" and the "days of vengeance" for Judea and Jerusalem in particular. The Daniel 12:1 verse you brought up predicted this unprecedented and unduplicated time of tribulation, which would never be repeated in generations of history afterward. You and I need not fear we will experience this particular kind of tribulation in our future.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Please explain how MANY of them that sleep in the dust of the earth are raised and not ALL of them that sleep in the ground are raised.

Daniel 12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Many does not mean "many, but not all". You are trying to force a definition on the Hebrew word raḇ (Strong's H727 - translated as "many" in Daniel 12:2) that doesn't exist.

Here are a few examples where the word is used to describe all of something rather than many, but not all of something.

Genesis 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the Lord, the everlasting God. 34 And Abraham sojourned in the Philistines' land many (rab) days.

This passage is referring to all of the days that Abraham sojourned in the Philistines' land, of which there were "many".

Genesis 37:31 And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood; 32 And they sent the coat of many colours, and they brought it to their father; and said, This have we found: know now whether it be thy son's coat or no. 33 And he knew it, and said, It is my son's coat; an evil beast hath devoured him; Joseph is without doubt rent in pieces. 34 And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many (rab) days.

This describes Jacob thinking that his son Joseph was dead and mourning for his son "many days". But, it does not refer to many, but not all of the days he mourned, it describes all of the days he mourned, of which there were many.

Exodus 5:4 And the king of Egypt said unto them, Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, let the people from their works? get you unto your burdens. 5 And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now are many (rab), and ye make them rest from their burdens.

Here, Pharaoah refers to the Israelite slaves in Egypt and said there were "many". He was referring to all of them, the number of which were "many".

So, now that we know what the word actually means and what it doesn't mean, Daniel 12:2 should be understood to be talking about all of the dead being resurrected at generally the same time with the number of them being "many". It's clearly referring to the same resurrection of all the dead that Jesus referred to here:

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Here we see ALL of them that are in the graves come forth.

The Word says that those who have done good come forth to the resurrection of live and those that have done evil unto the resurrection of damnation.

Is your salvation based on you doing good?

No, salvation is by grace through faith and not of works (Ephesians 2:8-10). But, our works reflect our faith and faith without works is dead, and that's what it's talking about. Those who have done good are those who have submitted themselves to Christ and did the good works that God prepared for them to do because of their faith in Christ.

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

So, again, those who have done good are those who had faith which was shown by their works. Those with faith don't do works to earn salvation, they do works in obedience to their Lord and Master, Jesus.

 

[3 Resurrections]

PS
There is only 3.5 years from Daniel 11:31 to Daniel 12:2.

Nope. You have Daniel's record of ancient history chronology totally messed up.

 

[tailgator]

You need to stop telling me what I believe. You are creating strawmen all over the place. That is not what I have written, and is certainly not what scripture teaches that the abomination of desolation was. Luke 21:20 interpreted what the AOD was, and it was "Jerusalem surrounded by ARMIES". No pigs mentioned at all.

Daniel 9:27 wrote that "with the ABOMINABLE ARMIES he shall make it desolate..." Standing armies invading a nation are notorious for wasting a landscape and the resources of a region, as well as killing people and breaking things. All kinds of desolations follow an invading army. This was true under Antiochus E.'s invasion of Jerusalem, and it was true again in AD 66 when the Roman army squared off against the Zealot armies at Jerusalem. This AD 66 AOD was what Christ warned His own disciples about.

That AOD in AD 66 launched the period Christ called "the Great Tribulation" and the "days of vengeance" for Judea and Jerusalem in particular. The Daniel 12:1 verse you brought up predicted this unprecedented and unduplicated time of tribulation, which would never be repeated in generations of history afterward. You and I need not fear we will experience this particular kind of tribulation in our future.

So now your saying antiochus did not place the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem in 167 bc?
Are you saying your historians you praised in the past are all wrong?

Sounds like you are changing your tune .

 

[tailgator]

Nope. You have Daniel's record of ancient history chronology totally messed up.

The time of the end is not ancient history.
It is near to come .If you had been paying attention to Daniels prophecies,you would have known that.

 

[tailgator]

Nope. You have Daniel's record of ancient history chronology totally messed up.

And yes,there is only 3.5 years from Daniel 11:31-12:2.
A time,times and a half .

Daniel 12:7
The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”

 

[tailgator]

You need to stop telling me what I believe. You are creating strawmen all over the place. That is not what I have written, and is certainly not what scripture teaches that the abomination of desolation was. Luke 21:20 interpreted what the AOD was, and it was "Jerusalem surrounded by ARMIES". No pigs mentioned at all.

Daniel 9:27 wrote that "with the ABOMINABLE ARMIES he shall make it desolate..." Standing armies invading a nation are notorious for wasting a landscape and the resources of a region, as well as killing people and breaking things. All kinds of desolations follow an invading army. This was true under Antiochus E.'s invasion of Jerusalem, and it was true again in AD 66 when the Roman army squared off against the Zealot armies at Jerusalem. This AD 66 AOD was what Christ warned His own disciples about.

That AOD in AD 66 launched the period Christ called "the Great Tribulation" and the "days of vengeance" for Judea and Jerusalem in particular. The Daniel 12:1 verse you brought up predicted this unprecedented and unduplicated time of tribulation, which would never be repeated in generations of history afterward. You and I need not fear we will experience this particular kind of tribulation in our future.

PS
The days of vengeance Jesus was speaking of comes on the day of the Lord when the Israelis are punished for worshiping the beast and it's image and receiving it's mark.
Whoever decieved you into believing these things were fulfilled in 66 ad has truly misled you.Jesus did not come in 66 ad.You keep saying you get your information from historians though no historians say Jesus came in ,66 ad.
There are no historians who say the abomination of desolation was placed in 66ad.
None


Luke 21
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory

 

[tailgator]

Nope. You have Daniel's record of ancient history chronology totally messed up.

This is an actual video of the abomination that causes desolation.

This is what causes the earthquake ,the pestilences and the fearful signs in the heavens Jesus was speaking of in Luke 21.



Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.



The Romans did not have the capability to cause the earth to quake or to make fearful signs in the heavens.You jump to conclusions when you say the Romans set up.tue abomination of desolation. The Romans did not fulfill the things Jesus said would take place when nation rises against nation in Luke 21.

This was also described by John in revelation 6.
The earthquake in Jerusalem and the cloud ascending into heaven is also mentioned in revelation 11 .

 

[3 Resurrections]

So now your saying antiochus did not place the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem in 167 bc?
Are you saying your historians you praised in the past are all wrong?

Sounds like you are changing your tune.

I'm not changing anything. You just aren't reading what I'm writing carefully enough.

The "abomination of desolation" which Daniel wrote about in both Daniel 11:31 and 12:11 is interpreted by Luke 21:20 as being "Jerusalem surrounded by armies". The AOD was invading ARMIES which encircled Jerusalem. This happened once under Antiochus E. IV who came to conquer Jerusalem, and it happened again in AD 66 with the Roman army squaring off against the Zealot armies at Jerusalem. It wasn't placing an idol that made anything desolate. An idol can't do any desolating. But a standing ARMY is capable of creating great desolations where they are encamped against a city.

The time of the end is not ancient history.
It is near to come .If you had been paying attention to Daniels prophecies,you would have known that.

It was the time of the end for the "holy people". Daniel's prophecies were predicting what would happen to Israel as a nation, when God would "shatter the power of the holy people". This IS ancient history. Deuteronomy 32 was the "Song of Moses" that predicted what it would be like for Israel at their "latter end". And Revelation 15:3 has this "Song of Moses" being sung just before the 7 angels poured out their vials of judgment on the earth - namely, the land of Israel.

1 Peter 4:7 wrote back then that "the end of all things is at hand". This was not the end of the planet, but the end of Israel as the "holy people" when God would judge His people at their "latter end", just as He had predicted for them long ago in Deuteronomy 32.

And yes,there is only 3.5 years from Daniel 11:31-12:2.
A time,times and a half .

No, there was 3.5 years from Daniel 12:1 until the shattering of the power of the holy people. It took that long from late AD 66 until AD 70 to accomplish this. You are trying to force-fit the Antiochus Epiphanes IV army that was the AOD in Daniel 11:31 into the later Roman army AOD in AD 66. They weren't the same army that surrounded Jerusalem. One was a Greek army, and the other was the Roman army versus Zealot armies.

This is an actual video of the abomination that causes desolation.

That interpretation runs counter to Luke 21:20's inspired interpretation of what the AOD was. Your interpretation is not inspired scripture.

Whoever decieved you into believing these things were fulfilled in 66 ad has truly misled you.Jesus did not come in 66 ad.You keep saying you get your information from historians though no historians say Jesus came in ,66 ad.

Again, you aren't reading my comments carefully enough. I never wrote that Jesus returned in AD 66. Jesus bodily returned on AD 70's Pentecost day to take all the resurrected saints back to heaven with Him, as He promised to do while some of those He had spoken to personally in Matt. 16:27-28 were still alive.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is an actual video of the abomination that causes desolation.

This is what causes the earthquake ,the pestilences and the fearful signs in the heavens Jesus was speaking of in Luke 21.



Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.



The Romans did not have the capability to cause the earth to quake or to make fearful signs in the heavens.You jump to conclusions when you say the Romans set up.tue abomination of desolation. The Romans did not fulfill the things Jesus said would take place when nation rises against nation in Luke 21.

This was also described by John in revelation 6.
The earthquake in Jerusalem and the cloud ascending into heaven is also mentioned in revelation 11 .

LOL. Your doctrine is nothing but sensationalistic nonsense. If you actually read what Jesus said about wars, earthquakes and such He said those things will happen, but will not indicate that the end is near. But, here you are acting as if those things are what indicate the end is near, directly contradicting Jesus in the process. Jesus said people will be mostly just doing their normal activities before He comes like in Noah's day and Lot's day. No one will have any idea what's coming. But, in your view everyone would have an idea of what's coming.

If you read Luke 21:20-24 it describes exactly what happened around 70 AD. The Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem and they ended up destroying the city and the temple buildings just as Jesus prophesied (Luke 19:41-44). After that was what is called "the times of the Gentiles" during which Jerusalem no longer has its temple buildings and such. It's when those times end that Jesus will return. The signs preceding His return relate to deception, an increase in wickedness and a major falling away from the faith and such, not wars and earthquakes.

 

[WPM]

Use common sense. I will pay you many of the dollars that you earned does not mean you will get paid all of the dollars that you earned.

And I see you were unable to answer my question about those doing good and salvation?

When you say MANY of THEM, you are not saying all of them. Otherwise, you would just say all.

Additionally, we are talking about the people of Daniel and not all people.

Daniel 12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The one thing you will not address is the fact that there is a general resurrection here. That totally negates your doctrine.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The one thing you will not address is the fact that there is a general resurrection here. That totally negates your doctrine.

I see premils try to claim that Daniel 12:2 speaks of many, but not all of the dead being resurrected at that time. Then I show them that the Hebrew word translated as many (rab) does not mean "many, but not all" by showing verses where the word is used to refer to all of something, the number of which is many, and they just ignore it. Why? Because they believe what they want to believe. If they admitted that Daniel 12:2 speaks of the resurrection of all dead people at generally the same time, just as Jesus taught will happen in John 5:28-29, then they would have to admit that amil is true. They would rather cling to their false doctrine than do that.

So, they end up believing that both saved and lost people will be resurrected at the same time on two different occasions. Where does scripture ever teach that nonsense? Nowhere, of course. But, that's the kind of ridiculous things that they are forced to believe when they try to make scripture fit into their doctrine instead of letting it speak for itself.

 

[The Light]

I see premils try to claim that Daniel 12:2 speaks of many, but not all of the dead being resurrected at that time. Then I show them that the Hebrew word translated as many (rab) does not mean "many, but not all" by showing verses where the word is used to refer to all of something, the number of which is many, and they just ignore it. Why? Because they believe what they want to believe. If they admitted that Daniel 12:2 speaks of the resurrection of all dead people at generally the same time, just as Jesus taught will happen in John 5:28-29, then they would have to admit that amil is true. They would rather cling to their false doctrine than do that.

What a load. You tried to say that "rab" was translated most often as "great" and not "many". When I called you out for proof, which I knew you didn't have, you gave the hem haw.

"Rab" is translated as "many" in most cases and rarely as great, so take your hollow unsupported nonsense and try to come with another false story to support your false doctrine.

So, they end up believing that both saved and lost people will be resurrected at the same time on two different occasions. Where does scripture ever teach that nonsense?

That is obviously taught in Daniel 12:1-2. You have failed in your attempt to disprove this.

Nowhere, of course. But, that's the kind of ridiculous things that they are forced to believe when they try to make scripture fit into their doctrine instead of letting it speak for itself.

John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Just one question. Is a Christian raised to the resurrection of life for doing good?

Remember your claim there is but one resurrection.

 

[The Light]

The one thing you will not address is the fact that there is a general resurrection here. That totally negates your doctrine.

There is nothing that I will fail to address about this. Please show with a Bible verse where you get the term "general resurrection"

Then address this...............Are Christians raised from the dead to the resurrection of life as we see in John 5 because they have been good?

John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[The Light]

Many does not mean "many, but not all". You are trying to force a definition on the Hebrew word raḇ (Strong's H727 - translated as "many" in Daniel 12:2) that doesn't exist.

Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth is not All of them. If the scripture meant all of them, it would have said all of them. FACT.

You are trying to figure a way past the truth of the scripture because it disproves your doctrine.

I'll go with the scripture on this as usual

Here are a few examples where the word is used to describe all of something rather than many, but not all of something.

Genesis 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the Lord, the everlasting God. 34 And Abraham sojourned in the Philistines' land many (rab) days.

This passage is referring to all of the days that Abraham sojourned in the Philistines' land, of which there were "many".

Genesis 37:31 And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood; 32 And they sent the coat of many colours, and they brought it to their father; and said, This have we found: know now whether it be thy son's coat or no. 33 And he knew it, and said, It is my son's coat; an evil beast hath devoured him; Joseph is without doubt rent in pieces. 34 And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many (rab) days.

This describes Jacob thinking that his son Joseph was dead and mourning for his son "many days". But, it does not refer to many, but not all of the days he mourned, it describes all of the days he mourned, of which there were many.

Exodus 5:4 And the king of Egypt said unto them, Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, let the people from their works? get you unto your burdens. 5 And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now are many (rab), and ye make them rest from their burdens.

Here, Pharaoah refers to the Israelite slaves in Egypt and said there were "many". He was referring to all of them, the number of which were "many".

So, now that we know what the word actually means and what it doesn't mean, Daniel 12:2 should be understood to be talking about all of the dead being resurrected at generally the same time with the number of them being "many". It's clearly referring to the same resurrection of all the dead that Jesus referred to here:

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


No, salvation is by grace through faith and not of works (Ephesians 2:8-10). But, our works reflect our faith and faith without works is dead, and that's what it's talking about. Those who have done good are those who have submitted themselves to Christ and did the good works that God prepared for them to do because of their faith in Christ.

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

So, again, those who have done good are those who had faith which was shown by their works. Those with faith don't do works to earn salvation, they do works in obedience to their Lord and Master, Jesus.

I already went through and addressed every single point you posted in an earlier post. I don't feel like searching for the that post at the present time.

There is nothing you have that can disprove the Word of God. Many of them, means many of them. Simple.

 

[honeycomb]

Remember your claim there is but one resurrection.

There is only one First Resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

- Revelation 20:6

 

[honeycomb]

Then address this...............Are Christians raised from the dead to the resurrection of life as we see in John 5 because they have been good?

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

- Matthew 7:21

Many will not.

 

[tailgator]

I'm not changing anything. You just aren't reading what I'm writing carefully enough.

The "abomination of desolation" which Daniel wrote about in both Daniel 11:31 and 12:11 is interpreted by Luke 21:20 as being "Jerusalem surrounded by armies". The AOD was invading ARMIES which encircled Jerusalem. This happened once under Antiochus E. IV who came to conquer Jerusalem, and it happened again in AD 66 with the Roman army squaring off against the Zealot armies at Jerusalem. It wasn't placing an idol that made anything desolate. An idol can't do any desolating. But a standing ARMY is capable of creating great desolations where they are encamped against a city.


It was the time of the end for the "holy people". Daniel's prophecies were predicting what would happen to Israel as a nation, when God would "shatter the power of the holy people". This IS ancient history. Deuteronomy 32 was the "Song of Moses" that predicted what it would be like for Israel at their "latter end". And Revelation 15:3 has this "Song of Moses" being sung just before the 7 angels poured out their vials of judgment on the earth - namely, the land of Israel.

1 Peter 4:7 wrote back then that "the end of all things is at hand". This was not the end of the planet, but the end of Israel as the "holy people" when God would judge His people at their "latter end", just as He had predicted for them long ago in Deuteronomy 32.


No, there was 3.5 years from Daniel 12:1 until the shattering of the power of the holy people. It took that long from late AD 66 until AD 70 to accomplish this. You are trying to force-fit the Antiochus Epiphanes IV army that was the AOD in Daniel 11:31 into the later Roman army AOD in AD 66. They weren't the same army that surrounded Jerusalem. One was a Greek army, and the other was the Roman army versus Zealot armies.


That interpretation runs counter to Luke 21:20's inspired interpretation of what the AOD was. Your interpretation is not inspired scripture.


Again, you aren't reading my comments carefully enough. I never wrote that Jesus returned in AD 66. Jesus bodily returned on AD 70's Pentecost day to take all the resurrected saints back to heaven with Him, as He promised to do while some of those He had spoken to personally in Matt. 16:27-28 were still alive.

Holy people are the saints of God cleansed in the blood of the lamb of God.

You believe profane phariseeess were holy when they were not.Christ is holy and the saints in Christ is holy.That is who the holy people Daniel was writing of.


As for Luke,Romans did not make Jerusalem desolate.The Romans continued to occupy Jerusalem long after 70 ad .Desolate is without inhabitant which the Romans did not.


The Romans did not have the capability to make the earthquake or to make great signs in the heavens.


Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

 

[tailgator]

I'm not changing anything. You just aren't reading what I'm writing carefully enough.

The "abomination of desolation" which Daniel wrote about in both Daniel 11:31 and 12:11 is interpreted by Luke 21:20 as being "Jerusalem surrounded by armies". The AOD was invading ARMIES which encircled Jerusalem. This happened once under Antiochus E. IV who came to conquer Jerusalem, and it happened again in AD 66 with the Roman army squaring off against the Zealot armies at Jerusalem. It wasn't placing an idol that made anything desolate. An idol can't do any desolating. But a standing ARMY is capable of creating great desolations where they are encamped against a city.


It was the time of the end for the "holy people". Daniel's prophecies were predicting what would happen to Israel as a nation, when God would "shatter the power of the holy people". This IS ancient history. Deuteronomy 32 was the "Song of Moses" that predicted what it would be like for Israel at their "latter end". And Revelation 15:3 has this "Song of Moses" being sung just before the 7 angels poured out their vials of judgment on the earth - namely, the land of Israel.

1 Peter 4:7 wrote back then that "the end of all things is at hand". This was not the end of the planet, but the end of Israel as the "holy people" when God would judge His people at their "latter end", just as He had predicted for them long ago in Deuteronomy 32.


No, there was 3.5 years from Daniel 12:1 until the shattering of the power of the holy people. It took that long from late AD 66 until AD 70 to accomplish this. You are trying to force-fit the Antiochus Epiphanes IV army that was the AOD in Daniel 11:31 into the later Roman army AOD in AD 66. They weren't the same army that surrounded Jerusalem. One was a Greek army, and the other was the Roman army versus Zealot armies.


That interpretation runs counter to Luke 21:20's inspired interpretation of what the AOD was. Your interpretation is not inspired scripture.


Again, you aren't reading my comments carefully enough. I never wrote that Jesus returned in AD 66. Jesus bodily returned on AD 70's Pentecost day to take all the resurrected saints back to heaven with Him, as He promised to do while some of those He had spoken to personally in Matt. 16:27-28 were still alive.

You claim Jesus came in 70 ad and gathered his elect.Do you have any historians who witnessed this event or did you just make this up yourself?