Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

[Fred J]

Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

Some Christians hold to the belief that Spirit baptism replaces water baptism. I recently held to this belief but I reverted back to my old position that we are to water baptize others and be water baptized.

There's no confusion when the Good Shepherd already ordered His lambs and sheep, and His lambs and sheep follow His voice alone.

Jesus ordered saying, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of GOD."

There are those who fall short to the context of the scripture and have entered, even are elders in their denomination. But these are according to Jesus and His Apostles, ones who have not entered the sheep-pen through the gate.

Apparently are 'robbers' and 'thieves' who've climbed over the fence inside. Whilst are, 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' in the Kingdom as fellow workers. Jesus cautioned, "Your worst enemy will be in your own household." And overall, "You will know them by their fruit."

The Apostles alerted the church that they are to distinguish between the, 'spirit of truth' and 'spirit of error'.

 

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There's no confusion when the Good Shepherd already ordered His lambs and sheep, and His lambs and sheep follow His voice alone.

Jesus ordered saying, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of GOD."

There are those who fall short to the context of the scripture and have entered, even are elders in their denomination. But these are according to Jesus and His Apostles, ones who have not entered the sheep-pen through the gate.

Apparently are 'robbers' and 'thieves' who've climbed over the fence inside. Whilst are, 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' in the Kingdom as fellow workers. Jesus cautioned, "Your worst enemy will be in your own household." And overall, "You will know them by their fruit."

The Apostles alerted the church that they are to distinguish between the, 'spirit of truth' and 'spirit of error'.

Being born again of water is being born again by the Scriptures in that you received revelation of the realization that the Holy Bible are the inerrant words of God and must be submitted to. Being born again of the Spirit is pretty straight forward in that we are born again by the Spirit in that we receive a new heart with new desires. We are born again spiritually by the Holy Spirit. While I believe there is a Spirit baptism, I also believe that we are to still water baptize because that is what we still see happen in the early church. There was no command or clear ending of water baptism. Granted, I do not believe water baptism is a salvation issue, but if we reject wanting to be water baptized, they could potentially lead to problems because it is something God desires for our life. We are not our own and we are bought and paid for with a price. So following the Lord and His instructions is of the utmost importance for our lives.

 

[Fred J]

Being born again of water is being born again by the Scriptures in that you received revelation of the realization that the Holy Bible are the inerrant words of God and must be submitted to. Being born again of the Spirit is pretty straight forward in that we are born again by the Spirit in that we receive a new heart with new desires. We are born again spiritually by the Holy Spirit. While I believe there is a Spirit baptism, I also believe that we are to still water baptize because that is what we still see happen in the early church. There was no command or clear ending of water baptism. Granted, I do not believe water baptism is a salvation issue, but if we reject wanting to be water baptized, they could potentially lead to problems because it is something God desires for our life. We are not our own and we are bought and paid for with a price. So following the Lord and His instructions is of the utmost importance for our lives.

When you add on more of your version and addition of someone else's, you tend to suppress the very written scripture and Jesus Himself.

 

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When you add on more of your version and addition of someone else's, you tend to suppress the very written scripture and Jesus Himself.

Can you point to an actual Bible that you can hold in your hands and declare it to be the very inerrant and perfect words of God? If not, then you fall into the Modern Scholarship Camp whereby everyone becomes their own authority determining what God said and did not say because one believes there are errors in God's Holy Word (When the Bible does not teach such a thing). Modern Scholar Advocates ignore the promises in God's Word that He gave us His precise words for us today. The problem of this? Well, it leads to confusion because which scholar are you going to follow? Which Bible translation are you going to follow? Which NIV edition are you going to follow? They do not all say the same thing. This sows confusion. In fact, if God did not give us His words precisely or perfectly, then why trust what else He has to say? People have fallen away from the faith when they learned of the false Science of Modern Textual Criticism because it gets them to doubt God's Word is reliable and trustworthy. To make matters worse for the Modern Bible Movement, they have Modern Bibles that teach very serious and wrong corrupt doctrines.

Let the unbiased reader check out the truth for themselves here:

#1. Changed Doctrines in Modern Bibles (Part 1).
#2. Changed Doctrines in Modern Bibles (Part 2).
#3. New Age Teachings in Modern Bibles
#4. Fourteen Changes in Modern Bibles that Favor the Catholic Church (See Page 21 of this PDF).

Modern Bibles also change our perception about God, as well.
They teach a different God than the One that Christians used to trust and believe in for hundreds of years long before the Modern Bible Movement came on to the scene in 1881, and did not have a broad acceptance until the 1980s here in the US.

In addition, there are liberals, Catholics, Unitarians, and those who are into Spiritism that have had their part in the Modern Bible Movement, as well. Catholic ideas have appeared in the Westcott and Hort Modern Bible Movement starting with the Revised Version. They had a Unitarian that worked on the Revised Version. His name was George Vance Smith. He wrote a book called, "Texts and Margins of the Revised New Testament" whereby he celebrated in the changed doctrines that favored Unitarianism. Unitarians today visit Sinaiticus by the bus load because they see this manuscript as a win for their Unitarian cause. In fact, Vaticanus and Sinaiticus are not the best manuscripts as the scholars claim. There are corrections all over Vaticanus. One scribe says to another, "fool, and knave, keep the older reading." The blue ink on the Vaticanus has been dated to the Medieval period. Vaticanus and Sinaiticus disagree with each other in thousands of places in the gospels alone. Sinaiticus was found at the fake Sinai location. Vaticanus was found in the Vatican library. Westcott and Hort were heretics. They were into Spiritism, Catholic practices, and they denied the infallibility of Scripture. Hort called the Textus Receptus villainous and vile. Why would I trust them? Yes, today it is the Nestle and Aland that is followed for the NT Greek in Modern Bibles. But this work is barely any different than the 1881 Westcott and Hort NT Greek. The Nestle and Aland still has Vaticanus and Sinaiticus primacy. Even since 1881, they still have not been able to come out with a settled text. The Modern Bible Movement has a text that keeps shape shifting and changing. It will never end. Then there are all of the deceptions in the Modern Bible Movement. Its insanity. Its obviously a false movement if anyone just does their own homework. Then again, we are living in a world whereby people would rather believe lies like from the mainstream media. People cannot be bothered to research things on their own and see that they are being lied to. It's the same with the Modern Bible Industrial Complex, which is a billion dollar industry.

 

[Fred J]

Can you point to an actual Bible that you can hold in your hands and declare it to be the very inerrant and perfect words of God?

Am sticking with the KJV 1611 which am guided to, where all scripture is given by the inspiration of GOD. For GOD is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. And looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith.

i believe and have faith without a doubt HE have preserved them, and they've become a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. Confusion and division are due to there are many masters of the scripture, interpreting one version from another. They are ignorant to the fact that they will be greatly judged.

Next, from the book of Acts, there was still water baptism for remission of sins and too receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[CC7799]

John Baptist did baptize at Jordan river. To try to get people to repent.

1 Corinthians chapter 2
Romans chapter 11

Many people have Spirit of stupor
Few have Holy Spirit.

Baptism doesn't guarantee Holy Spirit.

Many people have Spirit of slumber.

Your fortunate if you have Holy Spirit.

 

[Scott Downey]

John Baptist did baptize at Jordan river. To try to get people to repent.

1 Corinthians chapter 2
Romans chapter 11

Many people have Spirit of stupor
Few have Holy Spirit.

Baptism doesn't guarantee Holy Spirit.

Many people have Spirit of slumber.

Your fortunate if you have Holy Spirit.

The early church never water baptized unbelievers. All water baptism performed by a man is for believers only.
And Jesus clearly taught those who believe in Him have passed from death into life. The reason is anyone who has believed in Christ, God has done His work in them, which is why they believe in His Son.
Jesus never baptized anyone with water, Jesus baptizes people into the church by the Holy Spirit of God.
Only people baptize other people in His name. And John the Baptist water baptism is not the baptism into the church for salvation.

Fact is there had to be evidence of faith for anyone to be water baptized. They had to say they believed in Christ, people doing water baptizing took them at their word. It is ceremonial, like a work of righteousness.
People repented and believed, people had the Holy Spirit poured out onto them and spoke with tongues as a visible sign of their salvation first before any water baptism.

Titus 3
3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Washing of regeneration is what the Holy Spirit does and this is not water baptism ceremony performed by a man to another man.

Being born again is not brought about by water baptism. Some seem to present that as a truth. Jesus says we are born again only by the Spirit of God. Once someone is born again, they believe in Christ, and they have entered the kingdom of God.

But you know people hold tight to the things they were taught if they seem to make sense to them, as in they think it is true in their minds.
What happens a lot then is dissonance with other believers, such as contentions and dissentions, which are works of the flesh. Those who practice the works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God. The fruits of the Spirit are the only true evidence we can see in someone's life that they are saved, and one fruit is faithfulness. The fruit of the Spirit is what we bear to God as a result of His Holy Spirit working inside of us all.

John 3
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Fred J]

John Baptist did baptize at Jordan river. To try to get people to repent.

1 Corinthians chapter 2
Romans chapter 11

Many people have Spirit of stupor
Few have Holy Spirit.

Baptism doesn't guarantee Holy Spirit.

Many people have Spirit of slumber.

Your fortunate if you have Holy Spirit.

Friend, to all true born again receive alone the Holy Ghost from GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The spirit of stupor or slumber or any other, are of the enemy in false denominations.

Be blessed in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[CC7799]

Friend, to all true born again receive alone the Holy Ghost from GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The spirit of stupor or slumber or any other, are of the enemy in false denominations.

Be blessed in the name of Jesus Christ

Sir

Read Romans chapter 11. Ephesians chapter 1.

The election have Holy Spirit. Many people have Spirit of slumber.

1 Corinthians chapter 2.

Many people are carnal minded. They have Spirit of of error. Baptism can't give anyone holy Spirit.

Only Jesus can give holy Spirit.

I told the truth. And teach sound doctrine.

Read Matthew chapter 13

Why did Jesus always teach people in parables ??

Because mystery of God is hidden from them. The apostles and prophets are the election. Jesus spoke plainy to apostles. But in parables to people.

It applys to Isaiah chapter 6.

Because most people have Spirit of slumber.

Thiers Holy seed for every generation. The election are here in every generation.

Romans chapter 12
Ephesians chapter 3

The election have offices and functions.

Some are
Pastors
Teachers
Evangelist

The word apostle means - sent forth, discipline, shepherd's, teachers.

I won't debate about this.

I moved on to other subjects.

 

[CC7799]

The early church never water baptized unbelievers. All water baptism performed by a man is for believers only.
And Jesus clearly taught those who believe in Him have passed from death into life. The reason is anyone who has believed in Christ, God has done His work in them, which is why they believe in His Son.
Jesus never baptized anyone with water, Jesus baptizes people into the church by the Holy Spirit of God.
Only people baptize other people in His name. And John the Baptist water baptism is not the baptism into the church for salvation.

Fact is there had to be evidence of faith for anyone to be water baptized. They had to say they believed in Christ, people doing water baptizing took them at their word. It is ceremonial, like a work of righteousness.
People repented and believed, people had the Holy Spirit poured out onto them and spoke with tongues as a visible sign of their salvation first before any water baptism.

Titus 3
3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Washing of regeneration is what the Holy Spirit does and this is not water baptism ceremony performed by a man to another man.

Being born again is not brought about by water baptism. Some seem to present that as a truth. Jesus says we are born again only by the Spirit of God. Once someone is born again, they believe in Christ, and they have entered the kingdom of God.

But you know people hold tight to the things they were taught if they seem to make sense to them, as in they think it is true in their minds.
What happens a lot then is dissonance with other believers, such as contentions and dissentions, which are works of the flesh. Those who practice the works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God. The fruits of the Spirit are the only true evidence we can see in someone's life that they are saved, and one fruit is faithfulness. The fruit of the Spirit is what we bear to God as a result of His Holy Spirit working inside of us all.

John 3
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John Baptist baptized those who converted to Christianity.

They were Christians.

No, baptism won't give anyone the Holy Spirit.

John was fulling Isaiah chapter 40

Only Jesus can give people Holy Spirit.

Your not understanding this.

The apostles and prophets are the election. They have Holy Spirit.

Ephesians chapter 3.

Apostles and prophets are the foundation, with Jesus the Chief corner stone.

Romans chapter 12

Body of Christ has different offices and functions.

Teachers
Pastors
Evangelist
Apostles
Prophets
Body of Christ.

Matthew chapter 13

Jesus always spoke in parables to people.

Spok plainy to apostles. They have Holy Spirit.

Because mystery of God is hidden from many people. They have Spirit of slumber.

1 Corinthians chapter 2

Many people have Spirit of slumber.

The election have Holy Spirit.
Cross reference. Read Romans chapter 11.

Again. John Baptist fulfilled Isaiah chapter 40.

Baptism.
Prepare way for Jesus, the Messiah.

Only Jesus can give holy Spirit.

I told the truth. I documented it.

I moved on to other subjects.

 

[gpresdo]

John Baptist did baptize at Jordan river. To try to get people to repent.

1 Corinthians chapter 2
Romans chapter 11

Many people have Spirit of stupor
Few have Holy Spirit.

Baptism doesn't guarantee Holy Spirit.

Many people have Spirit of slumber.y Spirit to enter and dwell in a

Your fortunate if you have Holy Spirit.

John Baptist did baptize at Jordan river. To try to get people to repent.

1 Corinthians chapter 2
Romans chapter 11

Many people have Spirit of stupor
Few have Holy Spirit.

Baptism doesn't guarantee Holy Spirit.

Many people have Spirit of slumber.

Your fortunate if you have Holy Spirit.

Baptism does not guarantee the Holy Spirit ...but, without repentance and baptism you are guaranteed not to receive the Holy Spirit. God would not allow the Holy spirit to enter and dwell.

 

[CC7799]

Epistle John chapter 3

Habitual sinners won't repent and don't care, They won't do will of God.

Mark chapter 3.

Jesus says, those who do will of God are my brother and sister.

Romans chapter 9
The vessels for destruction are Reprobates.

Opelia in Hebrew means - destruction, eternal ruin.

The wicked/Reprobates, will not get the Holy Spirit.

Reprobates are rejected, cast away, worhless.

Habitual sinners are Reprobates.


Ephesians chapter 1. The saints are sealed with Holy Spirit.

The spiritually dead have Spirit of slumber.

Documentation, Romans chapter 11.

Two groups here.

Spiritually dead are our grand parents, and ancestors who sat church, and we're taught traditions of men. They are conditioned and programmed by hirelings. This group has Spirit of slumber. They will be taught by priests during milliumum, revelation chapter 20.

Second group. Reprobates. They don't have Spirit of slumber .
They don't have holy Spirit
They are vessels for destruction, Romans chapter 9.

Revelation chapter 20

Who's name are not written in book of life, are cast into lake of fire, Reprobates.

The wicked are Reprobates.

Two different groups here.

Third group. God's election. They have Holy Spirit. They are predestined and chosen before foundation of the world.
Ephesians chapter 1
Romans chapter 11

Saints are the election. They have Holy Spirit and will be in paradise.

If you don't understand. I recommend studying with pastor Murray, shepherds chapel on YouTube.
Dvd
Election
Spirit of slumber
Romans chapter 1

Peace.

 

[CC7799]

Baptism does not guarantee the Holy Spirit ...but, without repentance and baptism you are guaranteed not to receive the Holy Spirit. God would not allow the Holy spirit to enter and dwell.

Made my reply below.
Peace.