When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

[honeycomb]

The last day is the seventh day and the Sabbath of the Lord.It lasts 1000 years and I believe begins in the year 2028.I will know for sure next year if I'm right about the beginning of the day or not

2028? Interesting! I’d love to hear your thoughts if you’d like to share.

 

[tailgator]

2028? Interesting! I’d love to hear your thoughts if you’d like to share.

My thoughts are quite numerous but for starters I believe Donald Trump is the man of sin who gives the Israeli government (the beast)his armed forces (the second beast of revelation 13).
He thinks he is Israel's saviour and insists he is the only one who can keep.israel safe.

Trump: ‘We’re going to save Israel’​

Trump: We’re going to save Israel – www.israelhayom.com

Former President Donald Trump vowed to help Israel prevail in its war against the Hamas terror organization if elected in November, speaking at a high-dollar fundraiser in Deal, NJ on Sunday. According to reporting from The Jewish Insider, Trump reiterated his claim that the Oct. 7 Hamas...

www.israelhayom.com

Reading the bible I see where God warns the children of Israel what will happen if they don't keep his statutes,how he will cause their enemies to overcome them .Apparently Trump believes he can override God's word and keep Israel safe no.matter what they do.They could worship the beast and receive it's mark and Trump will still promise them peace and safety while he rules.


“I kept Israel safe, remember that. I kept Israel safe,” he said in a video posted to Truth Social. “Nobody else will, nobody else can, and I know all of the players.”



Trump is pretty transparent and says what he believes.He said he would move the US embassy to Jerusalem and he did.I knew he would long before he became president though.I understood 45 would move the embassy to Jerusalem in 2003 after reading this verse.

Daniel 11:45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

A tabernacle is a movable building ,and it represents his palace(the white house).Such a building is called an embassy today.

I like Daniel 11,it's very informative of the last several decades.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The last day is the seventh day and the Sabbath of the Lord.It lasts 1000 years and I believe begins in the year 2028.I will know for sure next year if I'm right about the beginning of the day or not

Luke 13:32
He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’


2000 years =2 days.

Hebrews 4:1-11
King James Version
​

4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[tailgator]

Hebrews 4:1-11​

King James Version​

​

4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

He is still working.
Trust me,I've seen his work in me.


Luke 13:32
He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’


2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[honeycomb]

My thoughts are quite numerous but for starters I believe Donald Trump is the man of sin who gives the Israeli government (the beast)his armed forces (the second beast of revelation 13).
He thinks he is Israel's saviour and insists he is the only one who can keep.israel safe.

Trump: ‘We’re going to save Israel’​

Trump: We’re going to save Israel – www.israelhayom.com

Former President Donald Trump vowed to help Israel prevail in its war against the Hamas terror organization if elected in November, speaking at a high-dollar fundraiser in Deal, NJ on Sunday. According to reporting from The Jewish Insider, Trump reiterated his claim that the Oct. 7 Hamas...

www.israelhayom.com

Reading the bible I see where God warns the children of Israel what will happen if they don't keep his statutes,how he will cause their enemies to overcome them .Apparently Trump believes he can override God's word and keep Israel safe no.matter what they do.They could worship the beast and receive it's mark and Trump will still promise them peace and safety while he rules.


“I kept Israel safe, remember that. I kept Israel safe,” he said in a video posted to Truth Social. “Nobody else will, nobody else can, and I know all of the players.”



Trump is pretty transparent and says what he believes.He said he would move the US embassy to Jerusalem and he did.I knew he would long before he became president though.I understood 45 would move the embassy to Jerusalem in 2003 after reading this verse.

Daniel 11:45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

A tabernacle is a movable building ,and it represents his palace(the white house).Such a building is called an embassy today.

I like Daniel 11,it's very informative of the last several decades.

Okay, thanks. Something to keep in mind as we continue to watch. Wow!

 

[TribulationSigns]

My thoughts are quite numerous but for starters I believe Donald Trump is the man of sin

Yes Trump is man of sin like with all other men of sin. There won't be one so-called supernatural antichrist or "chosen one" to get role of the beast or little horn, blah blah blah...

who gives the Israeli government (the beast)

National Israel is the first beast?! LOL

his armed forces (the second beast of revelation 13).

Trump's armed force is the second beast of Revelation 13? LOL.

He thinks he is Israel's saviour and insists he is the only one who can keep.israel safe.

Trump: ‘We’re going to save Israel’​

Trump: We’re going to save Israel – www.israelhayom.com

Former President Donald Trump vowed to help Israel prevail in its war against the Hamas terror organization if elected in November, speaking at a high-dollar fundraiser in Deal, NJ on Sunday. According to reporting from The Jewish Insider, Trump reiterated his claim that the Oct. 7 Hamas...

www.israelhayom.com

Silly.

.Apparently Trump believes he can override God's word and keep Israel safe no.matter what they do.They could worship the beast and receive it's mark and Trump will still promise them peace and safety while he rules.

Peace and safety? Do you even know what exactly is Peace and Safety to God? World peace? Seriousily?

This part, which you define as physical/earthly Jerusalem and thousand years, is not from the Bible. Christ indeed rules Israel from the Holy City of Jerusalem now, but the only true Holy City is from above. The one in the Old Testament was merely a shadow and as a place-holder just "represented" it. We are indeed living in the last days, which were prophecies--as was this Holy City that would see no more war, but have a ruler who would bring peace to her. And it wasn't talking about a plot of dirt or physical wars with Hamas or Iran in the Middle East.

Isaiah 40:2

• "Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins."

As children of the Kingdom, we have peace with God, secure in Jerusalem, free from spiritual captivity, only because our warfare was accomplished or finished in Christ. We no longer fight out as we were before we were born again. The Jerusalem He rules from is from above, wherein all SPIRITUAL Jews, rich or poor, Judaic or Greek, are made free from the captivity, having been translated in the Spirit there, and can now live and reign on earth with Him.

Galatians 4:25-29

• "For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
• But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
• For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
• Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
• But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now."

We are the children of promise, we are the Jews as God defines them, and we have our peace and safety in the Spiritual Israel of God, not in a section of land in the coordinates of the Middle East. Peace and safety are SALVATION and RECONCILIATION with God. Nothing to do with world peace without guns and missiles.

Romans 9:6-8

• "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
• Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
• That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."

Are you listening, or merely hearing?

“I kept Israel safe, remember that. I kept Israel safe,” he said in a video posted to Truth Social. “Nobody else will, nobody else can, and I know all of the players.”

I wondered why do you have to listen to "man of sin" nonsense on his social media. Pay attention to the Bible where God has defined Israel.

He said he would move the US embassy to Jerusalem and he did.I knew he would long before he became president though.I understood 45 would move the embassy to Jerusalem in 2003 after reading this verse.

Daniel 11:45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

A tabernacle is a movable building ,and it represents his palace(the white house).Such a building is called an embassy today.

Huh, a tabernacles of his place is an embassy?! Sigh!!

 

[tailgator]

Yes Trump is man of sin like with all other men of sin. There won't be one so-called supernatural antichrist or "chosen one" to get role of the beast or little horn, blah blah blah...



National Israel is the first beast?! LOL


Trump's armed force is the second beast of Revelation 13? LOL.


Silly.


Peace and safety? Do you even know what exactly is Peace and Safety to God? World peace? Seriousily?

This part, which you define as physical/earthly Jerusalem and thousand years, is not from the Bible. Christ indeed rules Israel from the Holy City of Jerusalem now, but the only true Holy City is from above. The one in the Old Testament was merely a shadow and as a place-holder just "represented" it. We are indeed living in the last days, which were prophecies--as was this Holy City that would see no more war, but have a ruler who would bring peace to her. And it wasn't talking about a plot of dirt or physical wars with Hamas or Iran in the Middle East.

Isaiah 40:2

• "Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins."

As children of the Kingdom, we have peace with God, secure in Jerusalem, free from spiritual captivity, only because our warfare was accomplished or finished in Christ. We no longer fight out as we were before we were born again. The Jerusalem He rules from is from above, wherein all SPIRITUAL Jews, rich or poor, Judaic or Greek, are made free from the captivity, having been translated in the Spirit there, and can now live and reign on earth with Him.

Galatians 4:25-29

• "For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
• But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
• For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
• Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
• But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now."

We are the children of promise, we are the Jews as God defines them, and we have our peace and safety in the Spiritual Israel of God, not in a section of land in the coordinates of the Middle East. Peace and safety are SALVATION and RECONCILIATION with God. Nothing to do with world peace without guns and missiles.

Romans 9:6-8

• "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
• Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
• That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."

Are you listening, or merely hearing?



I wondered why do you have to listen to "man of sin" nonsense on his social media. Pay attention to the Bible where God has defined Israel.



Huh, a tabernacles of his place is an embassy?! Sigh!!

If Trump is not the chosen one,you need to inform him of this .He posted on truth social this song of praise of him being the chosen one

Why would he post this if he didn't believe he is the chosen one?

You need to tell Trump he is not the chosen one if you believe he's not.He seems to believe he is.

 

[TribulationSigns]

If Trump is not the chosen one,you need to inform him of this .He posted on truth social this song of praise of him being the chosen one

Why would he post this if he didn't believe he is the chosen one?

You need to tell Trump he is not the chosen one if you believe he's not.He seems to believe he is.

He’s a delusional man and all those who also believe he is a chosen one. Funny but sad.

 

[strepho]

I respect other people's beliefs and opinions.

I don't believe in the rapture. It's false doctrine.

My indication is, I don't think anyone is teaching it here.

Jesus will arrive 7th trump, Jerusalem.



Satan as antichrist will come 6th trump to Jerusalem.

Revelation chapter 13 .

Everyone will be here in the flesh, when antichrist arrives 6th trump to lead one world religious system. It's 5 month period.

Revelation chapter 9. Time shortened to 5 month period.

Ezekiel chapter 13.

God hates the fly away doctrine.


1 Corinthians chapter 15:50
15::52

At the 7th trump, everyone in the flesh will instantly be changed to their spiritual body. Everyone will be in Dimension Jesus is in.

 

[tailgator]

He’s a delusional man and all those who also believe he is a chosen one. Funny but sad.

Well,you need to inform him that he is not the chosen one and that he can not save Israel or keep Israel safe.
Inform him that only God can do the things he says only he can do.
Maybe he will stop showing himself to be God .

 

[TribulationSigns]

Well,you need to inform him that he is not the chosen one and that he can not save Israel or keep Israel safe.
Inform him that only God can do the things he says only he can do.
Maybe he will stop showing himself to be God .

A delusional man will not listen to the Truth.

 

[tailgator]

A delusional man will not listen to the Truth.

Your probably right
Then I expect Trump will try to save Israel and give Israel the armed forces as US presidents have done for other countries.
Who knows,perhaps a couple officers will be giving fire commands to devour their enemies.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Then I expect Trump will try to save Israel and give Israel the armed forces as US presidents have done for other countries.

And you are delusional too. You will not hear the truth that your speculation about Trump and Israel has NOTHING to do with Bible Prophecies, especially Revelation 13.

Who knows,perhaps a couple officers will be giving fire commands to devour their enemies.

Silly.

 

[tailgator]

And you are delusional too. You will not hear the truth that your speculation about Trump and Israel has NOTHING to do with Bible Prophecies, especially Revelation 13.



Silly.

Every prophet in the bible has prophecied of Israel ,yet you believe israel.has nothing to do with bible prophecies.

That beats all I've ever heard.roflol

 

[TribulationSigns]

Every prophet in the bible has prophecied of Israel ,yet you believe israel.has nothing to do with bible prophecies.

That beats all I've ever heard.roflol

No because you got the WRONG ISRAEL in the New Testament. The Old Testament Israel has lost her kingdom representation at the Cross that was given to the Church by Christ. Oh well, not all God's people see this truth becasue many are called, few are chosen!

 

[TribulationSigns]

People like you thought the promises in the passage of Deuteronomy chapter 30 are the scriptural basis for Israel's re-gathering. The question is, are they? I agree that it is sometimes used as some sort of basis wherein Dispensationalists "claim" there must be a regathering or restoration of a political nation, but a closer look reveals no such prophesy.

Deuteronomy 30:1-3

• "And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
• And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
• That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee."

Dispensationalists generally see everything as a prophesy pertaining to the nation of Israel, when it is in fact pertaining to a spiritual nation, a spiritual compassion, a spiritual people in captivity who have been set free. Spiritually brought home to be reconciled with God. Moreover, the qualifier is that the prophesy is that when they return, they would obey God's voice according to all that He commanded them and their children, with all their heart and soul." To think that this occurred with God in 1948 is to dabble in absurdity. Clearly, a necessary condition for the re-gathering of Israel (according to the prophesy) was their returning to the Lord. That has not occurred in the nation. But it has occurred in the Israel of God because the restoration prophesied as coming from the Messiah, the freeing of the captivity, the building again of the tabernacle, the establishment of the kingdom, the returning unto the Lord, etc., etc., all took place at the time of the cross, not in 1948. And it pertains to the Covenant with Israel wherein Gentiles are also included in that Olive Tree, fulfilling such prophesies--as it is written. And when completed, thus (in this way) all Israel shall be saved.

Acts 15:14-17

• "Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
• And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
• After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
• That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."

You think that prophesy of Amos of returning the Captivity pertains to Israel in 1948, but Here God's word in Acts declares unambiguously that this prophesy of Amos was fulfilled at the time of the cross. Dispensationalism does this time and time again. Taking prophesies fulfilled and alleging that they pertain to some future event, some future kingdom, some future Messiah's coming, some future physical captivity set free by Christ.

Amos 9:9-15

• "For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
• All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
• In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
• That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
• Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
• And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
• And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God."

Like Dispensationalists, the Jewish people would not believe that the evil would overtake or prevent them as a nation, and like Israel, they are wrong, and the prophesy declares it. Even though they would not believe that Israel would be destroyed, according to God, it was. The Kingdom was taken from them, and it wasn't returned in 1948. Clearly, according to Acts, Christ the Messiah only has one Kingdom. And the prophesy pertained to it. So was the prophesy fulfilled at the time of the cross as the text in Acts tells us, or is the return of the captivity in 1948 or even a future return? God or man, the question never changes on who we choose to believe. It's the choice between the sound hermeneutic of receiving God's word as the ultimate authority, or of receiving man's fallible private and personal interpretations.

The truth is, Israel (the nation) wasn't any closer to Christ in 1948 (or today for that matter) than they were in Christ's day when the Kingdom was taken from them. So how can we possible conclude that they returned to the Lord fulfilling that prophesy? As I say, it's absurd to think this passage confirms the nation of Israel's restoration to God, when they again became a nation. Only a professing Christian ignorant of the Biblical facts or predisposed and brainwashed into believing that, would even say this "remotely" qualifies.

Indeed, when did the Lord God reconcile or return His people to him? Was it not at the cross? And when did they start to obey His voice according to all that He commands, with all their heart and soul (as per the prophesy)? It was in Christ, through the obedience of faith. Because they were born again from the dead unto it.

1st Peter 1:22-23

• "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
• Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Romans 16:25-26

• "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
• But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:"

The obedience of faith in Christ, and the secret now made manifest or revealed is that the Gentiles also were to be part of the Covenant with Israel. And in Christ would all the Israel (of God) be reconcile or returned to Him. In Christ would they start to obey His voice according to all that He commands with all their heart and soul. It was in Christ, through the obedience of faith. That is when the prophesied obedience of Israel took place and when the prophesied "return of the captivity" was fulfilled. As we were in bondage, in captivity to Satan. And Christ came to set us free. That is when He had the prophesied compassion upon Israel. That is when He gathered "His People" from all the nations as His lost sheep returning home. The prophesies have nothing to do with 1948 or the physical nation of Israel being repopulated by Jewish people. But as Christ was wont to say, "...if ye will receive it."

 

[tailgator]

No because you got the WRONG ISRAEL in the New Testament. The Old Testament Israel has lost her kingdom representation at the Cross that was given to the Church by Christ. Oh well, not all God's people see this truth becasue many are called, few are chosen!

Well,then that means the beast has decieved the world just as the Bible says.
No ,I don't have the wrong Israel.
I know exactly who the deceiver is.

You have not learned that yet.Maybe in the coming years you will learn.Perhaps after that deceiver has his kingdom marked with his mark.

 

[tailgator]

People like you thought the promises in the passage of Deuteronomy chapter 30 are the scriptural basis for Israel's re-gathering. The question is, are they? I agree that it is sometimes used as some sort of basis wherein Dispensationalists "claim" there must be a regathering or restoration of a political nation, but a closer look reveals no such prophesy.

Deuteronomy 30:1-3

• "And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
• And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
• That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee."

Dispensationalists generally see everything as a prophesy pertaining to the nation of Israel, when it is in fact pertaining to a spiritual nation, a spiritual compassion, a spiritual people in captivity who have been set free. Spiritually brought home to be reconciled with God. Moreover, the qualifier is that the prophesy is that when they return, they would obey God's voice according to all that He commanded them and their children, with all their heart and soul." To think that this occurred with God in 1948 is to dabble in absurdity. Clearly, a necessary condition for the re-gathering of Israel (according to the prophesy) was their returning to the Lord. That has not occurred in the nation. But it has occurred in the Israel of God because the restoration prophesied as coming from the Messiah, the freeing of the captivity, the building again of the tabernacle, the establishment of the kingdom, the returning unto the Lord, etc., etc., all took place at the time of the cross, not in 1948. And it pertains to the Covenant with Israel wherein Gentiles are also included in that Olive Tree, fulfilling such prophesies--as it is written. And when completed, thus (in this way) all Israel shall be saved.

Acts 15:14-17

• "Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
• And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
• After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
• That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."

You think that prophesy of Amos of returning the Captivity pertains to Israel in 1948, but Here God's word in Acts declares unambiguously that this prophesy of Amos was fulfilled at the time of the cross. Dispensationalism does this time and time again. Taking prophesies fulfilled and alleging that they pertain to some future event, some future kingdom, some future Messiah's coming, some future physical captivity set free by Christ.

Amos 9:9-15

• "For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
• All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
• In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
• That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
• Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
• And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
• And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God."

Like Dispensationalists, the Jewish people would not believe that the evil would overtake or prevent them as a nation, and like Israel, they are wrong, and the prophesy declares it. Even though they would not believe that Israel would be destroyed, according to God, it was. The Kingdom was taken from them, and it wasn't returned in 1948. Clearly, according to Acts, Christ the Messiah only has one Kingdom. And the prophesy pertained to it. So was the prophesy fulfilled at the time of the cross as the text in Acts tells us, or is the return of the captivity in 1948 or even a future return? God or man, the question never changes on who we choose to believe. It's the choice between the sound hermeneutic of receiving God's word as the ultimate authority, or of receiving man's fallible private and personal interpretations.

The truth is, Israel (the nation) wasn't any closer to Christ in 1948 (or today for that matter) than they were in Christ's day when the Kingdom was taken from them. So how can we possible conclude that they returned to the Lord fulfilling that prophesy? As I say, it's absurd to think this passage confirms the nation of Israel's restoration to God, when they again became a nation. Only a professing Christian ignorant of the Biblical facts or predisposed and brainwashed into believing that, would even say this "remotely" qualifies.

Indeed, when did the Lord God reconcile or return His people to him? Was it not at the cross? And when did they start to obey His voice according to all that He commands, with all their heart and soul (as per the prophesy)? It was in Christ, through the obedience of faith. Because they were born again from the dead unto it.

1st Peter 1:22-23

• "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
• Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Romans 16:25-26

• "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
• But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:"

The obedience of faith in Christ, and the secret now made manifest or revealed is that the Gentiles also were to be part of the Covenant with Israel. And in Christ would all the Israel (of God) be reconcile or returned to Him. In Christ would they start to obey His voice according to all that He commands with all their heart and soul. It was in Christ, through the obedience of faith. That is when the prophesied obedience of Israel took place and when the prophesied "return of the captivity" was fulfilled. As we were in bondage, in captivity to Satan. And Christ came to set us free. That is when He had the prophesied compassion upon Israel. That is when He gathered "His People" from all the nations as His lost sheep returning home. The prophesies have nothing to do with 1948 or the physical nation of Israel being repopulated by Jewish people. But as Christ was wont to say, "...if ye will receive it."

Israel is not gathered till Christ comes.
People like you should learn that.
The people in the land of Israel did not follow Christ into that kingdom.

They followed after something else as it is written.

 

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Well,then that means the beast has decieved the world just as the Bible says.

Do you mean that the beast has deceived America, Span, or all other political nations here? Is that what God talked about?

Rev 13:7-9
(7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
(8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
(9) If any man have an ear, let him hear.

The devil has deceived the UNSAVED people whose names are not written in the Book of Life. God is talking about Gentiles or nations, which are UNSAVED people. The ones who have not chosen by God before the foundation of the world. We, Elect, who were ONCE under the devil has been redeemed by Christ so that BECAUSE our name was written in the book of life.

Rev 20:3
(3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Satan/beast was held restrained until Christ has finish building his church with all Elect secured. THEN Satan will be loosed to deceive the unsaved people again until Christ returns. This has NOTHING to do with political nations of the world or about protecting national Israel from... humm orange man!

No ,I don't have the wrong Israel.

yes, you do. Guaranteed, per God's Word.

I know exactly who the deceiver is.

Your orange man, eh? Or many among you?

You have not learned that yet.

Please! LOL! I am way ahead of you.

Maybe in the coming years you will learn.Perhaps after that deceiver has his kingdom marked with his mark.

Humm...like I should not take the mark on my right hand to buy a hot dog at 7-11 store? What a pathetic doctrine of yours.

 

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Do you mean that the beast has deceived America, Span, or all other political nations here? Is that what God talked about?

Rev 13:7-9
(7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
(8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
(9) If any man have an ear, let him hear.

The devil has deceived the UNSAVED people whose names are not written in the Book of Life. God is talking about Gentiles or nations, which are UNSAVED people. The ones who have not chosen by God before the foundation of the world. We, Elect, who were ONCE under the devil has been redeemed by Christ so that BECAUSE our name was written in the book of life.

Rev 20:3
(3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Satan/beast was held restrained until Christ has finish building his church with all Elect secured. THEN Satan will be loosed to deceive the unsaved people again until Christ returns. This has NOTHING to do with political nations of the world or about protecting national Israel from... humm orange man!




yes, you do. Guaranteed, per God's Word.



Your orange man, eh? Or many among you?



Please! LOL! I am way ahead of you.



Humm...like I should not take the mark on my right hand to buy a hot dog at 7-11 store? What a pathetic doctrine of yours.

The world is decieved.
But the peoples of the nations which the beast reigns over are them who followed after the beast from all nations,peoples and tongues.

Revelation 13
3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.

You've got to keep in mind,the beast is described as being little in scripture.Hes not big

Daniel 7
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.


Only them who ignore God believe the beast is bigly.