What is the purpose of infant baptism?

[GodsGrace]

This current Catholic Pope has raised some eyebrows….reminds me of some mega Protestant Churches….preaching what the people WANT to hear, feeling good about themselves, rather than the Truth.


Glory to God,
Taken

Much worse than that Taken.
He has changed church teachings that are rather important.
We can get into it if you like.
This is the reason many Bishops can no longer follow him...
and have not for years now.

When a Bishop is too important and listened to, this Pope quiets him down by
ex-communicating him. This means that Bishop will receive no further salary from
the Vatican. Rather serious.
And, IMHO, I'd say those Bishops are correct and this Pope is wrong.
So now WHO is creating a schism?
Me, and those who agree with me
or
Him?

Church teaching states that if a person does not agree with the Pope it is HE (the person) that is causing the schism.
Nice.
This means that, basically, the Pope can do whatever he wants to do.
Like have a Pacha Mama ceremony in the Vatican Gardens.
Declare that remarried couples, who are ex-communicated from the church, can now receive communion.
Declare that the death penalty is wrong - even though the church has taught it until his proclamation.
Allow blessings for SS COUPLES....yes, the bull says COUPLES...although it goes on to say that a PERSON could be blessed.
There are 2 types of blessings.....this would create a 3rd type.

Need more?
He's a disgrace.

 

[Marymog]

Could you please copy and paste that post onto here.
Thanks

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Should Priests Get Married?

I don't believe that it should be a requirement, there were some that were able to bare this form Of worship. to devote their all to God and Christ. Paul speak's about this, and concludes that if you can bare this consuming desire of the flesh, Good, But it is better to marry than to burn!! I...

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[GodsGrace]

GG.....Your POINT has nothing to do with what we are talking about. YOU say that you are not Protestant even though you meet the dictionary definition of a Protestant. THAT is what we are talking about. Not the billions of other Christians who don't accept the authority of the Pope. WE are talking about YOU and what YOU accept and/or reject.

You ATTEND a Catholic church and have your own doctrine/beliefs. That does NOT make you catholic. It makes you a Protestant that attends a Catholic church.

I am not trying to save anyone. And in our case I am only revealing your false allegations about the Church and me. It is up to the individual to save themselves. Accept or reject the teachings of the Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth. Accept or reject the decisions of The Church when you have a disagreement with your brother. If you reject the decision of The Church you are kicked out of The Church.....just like Scripture says.

Mary

I've always said that I don't identify as Catholic.

Please copy and paste the post where I stated that baptizing infants became common place after Augustine...
Thanks.

 

[Marymog]

Church teaching states that if a person does not agree with the Pope it is HE (the person) that is causing the schism.

Hey GG,

You are generally right. If a Catholic refuses submission to the Pope AND the Pope is teaching True doctrine, then that person is causing a schism or is schismatic.

 

[Marymog]

I've always said that I don't identify as Catholic.

Please copy and paste the post where I stated that baptizing infants became common place after Augustine...
Thanks.

Which means you are Protestant.

Already done....post 1,542.

 

[GodsGrace]

Should Priests Get Married?

I don't believe that it should be a requirement, there were some that were able to bare this form Of worship. to devote their all to God and Christ. Paul speak's about this, and concludes that if you can bare this consuming desire of the flesh, Good, But it is better to marry than to burn!! I...

www.christianityboard.com

Should Priests Get Married?

I don't believe that it should be a requirement, there were some that were able to bare this form Of worship. to devote their all to God and Christ. Paul speak's about this, and concludes that if you can bare this consuming desire of the flesh, Good, But it is better to marry than to burn!! I...

www.christianityboard.com

Does Your Church Teach About the Rapture(Catching up) Heaven, Hell, Prophecy?

All the theologians, scripture scholars, bishops, saints and reformers were incapable of interpreting God's word....until.... ...John Nelson Darby came along. He broke off from the Plymouth Brethren over theological disputes. Founder of the Exclusive Brethren sect, Darby invented pre-tribulation...

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OK on the first.
Be back soon.

It was not on this thread....but I stand by what I said.
Which I always will.....

Nifty tool BTW.

 

[GodsGrace]

Should Priests Get Married?

I don't believe that it should be a requirement, there were some that were able to bare this form Of worship. to devote their all to God and Christ. Paul speak's about this, and concludes that if you can bare this consuming desire of the flesh, Good, But it is better to marry than to burn!! I...

www.christianityboard.com

Should Priests Get Married?

I don't believe that it should be a requirement, there were some that were able to bare this form Of worship. to devote their all to God and Christ. Paul speak's about this, and concludes that if you can bare this consuming desire of the flesh, Good, But it is better to marry than to burn!! I...

www.christianityboard.com

Does Your Church Teach About the Rapture(Catching up) Heaven, Hell, Prophecy?

All the theologians, scripture scholars, bishops, saints and reformers were incapable of interpreting God's word....until.... ...John Nelson Darby came along. He broke off from the Plymouth Brethren over theological disputes. Founder of the Exclusive Brethren sect, Darby invented pre-tribulation...

www.christianityboard.com

Good on the second on priests getting married thread.

Wow.
I practically handed you the answer to my question to both you and Bread and you couldn't pick up on it?
Incredible.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

This is an abuse of one verse you use to escape the fact that you have been proven to be dead wrong. It can also be used against you, since you like to appeal the "carnal mind" when your lame arguments get demolished.
The carnal mind denies the reality of original sin in Romans 5.
Original Sin is not contracted by a conscious choice, therefore it can be removed without a conscious choice through baptism. The carnal mind cannot comprehend this truth.
The carnal mind has to reconstruct or cover up what the reforms themselves taught and practiced regarding infant baptism..
The carnal mind ignores the evidence that infant baptism went unquestioned for well over 1000 years.
The carnal mind will not budge from the man made tradition of "adult only" baptism.
The carnal mind uses one-verse-theology as a do-all to support it.
The carnal mind always changes the subject.
The carnal mind has no faith to accept the mystery of outward signs (water) of inward grace (spirit) plainly expressed by Jesus Himself in John 3:5

 

[GodsGrace]

Hey GG,

You are generally right. If a Catholic refuses submission to the Pope AND the Pope is teaching True doctrine, then that person is causing a schism or is schismatic.

What if he's NOT teaching church doctrine or discipline?
What if HE'S CHANGING IT?

It's not easy speaking to you.

IF the POPE is CHANGING doctrine....
and a person leaves the church...
WHO is causing the schism...
THE POPE
or
THE PERSON?

Think about it.

Are Catholics supposed to follow the Pope off the bridge?

Why do you think Vigano' and Strickland were ex-communicated?
And at least 4 or 5 Italian ones I can think of off the top of my head?

He just ex-communicates all that don't agree with him.
Now, it seems, things are quieting down.
Where does a person go work after being paid by the Vatican for years?
Makes one stop to think....before disagreeing.

 

[Taken]

Hey Taken,

He is not my fav Pope. What has he preached that people WANT to hear that was opposite of the Truth?

Curious Mary

You read the reports yourself. I don’t care to have a Pope discussion.

 

[Taken]

Much worse than that Taken.
He has changed church teachings that are rather important.
We can get into it if you like.
This is the reason many Bishops can no longer follow him...
and have not for years now.

When a Bishop is too important and listened to, this Pope quiets him down by
ex-communicating him. This means that Bishop will receive no further salary from
the Vatican. Rather serious.
And, IMHO, I'd say those Bishops are correct and this Pope is wrong.
So now WHO is creating a schism?
Me, and those who agree with me
or
Him?

Church teaching states that if a person does not agree with the Pope it is HE (the person) that is causing the schism.
Nice.
This means that, basically, the Pope can do whatever he wants to do.
Like have a Pacha Mama ceremony in the Vatican Gardens.
Declare that remarried couples, who are ex-communicated from the church, can now receive communion.
Declare that the death penalty is wrong - even though the church has taught it until his proclamation.
Allow blessings for SS COUPLES....yes, the bull says COUPLES...although it goes on to say that a PERSON could be blessed.
There are 2 types of blessings.....this would create a 3rd type.

Need more?
He's a disgrace.

Nope…more than enough…:-)

 

[GodsGrace]

Should Priests Get Married?

I don't believe that it should be a requirement, there were some that were able to bare this form Of worship. to devote their all to God and Christ. Paul speak's about this, and concludes that if you can bare this consuming desire of the flesh, Good, But it is better to marry than to burn!! I...

www.christianityboard.com

Should Priests Get Married?

I don't believe that it should be a requirement, there were some that were able to bare this form Of worship. to devote their all to God and Christ. Paul speak's about this, and concludes that if you can bare this consuming desire of the flesh, Good, But it is better to marry than to burn!! I...

www.christianityboard.com

Does Your Church Teach About the Rapture(Catching up) Heaven, Hell, Prophecy?

All the theologians, scripture scholars, bishops, saints and reformers were incapable of interpreting God's word....until.... ...John Nelson Darby came along. He broke off from the Plymouth Brethren over theological disputes. Founder of the Exclusive Brethren sect, Darby invented pre-tribulation...

www.christianityboard.com

Sorry, got interrupted.

On the third....
I don't know what it has to do with anything...
But YES,,, OF COURSE I agree with what I said.

(I usually do!!).

 

[Taken]

This is an abuse of one verse you use to escape the fact that you have been proven to be dead wrong.

La, la, la, la, Accusing is not proof…
I do not agree with your Carnal Minded Understanding.
You are not my teacher.
Be yourself content to think your power supersedes Gods….while I am content the Lord HAS sanctified me.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

This doesn't get us very far. A "prime minister" (as you call Peter) appointed by Jesus and a successor "prime minister" appointed by Peter -- if indeed he appointed his Roman successor (how do we know that the second Bishop of Rome, be it Clement or Linus or whoever, wasn't elected by Christian leaders in Rome? or wasn't appointed by Paul?) -- cannot be viewed as equivalent authorities.

Who said Linus was appointed by Peter? How can Peter appoint a successor when Peter is dead?

But to answer your question: Jesus expected His return within the lifetime of at least some of his apostles,

Chapter and verse, please.

and so did not give a thought to the need for a second prime minister upon Peter's death.

a non-sequitur fallacy. An office without successors is not an office. .

Apostolic succession is important. It is what roots the Church's authority. But Petrine succession as it has evolved into the Papacy is a man-made construct designed to meet the exigencies of a situation that was never contemplated initially: the possibility that bishops might disagree among themselves and need a decisionmaker to unify them.

No pope, no unity.

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The Bishop of Rome has local jurisdiction for the diocese of Rome, the same as any bishop of any diocese anywhere.
The bishop of Rome has a dual function, universal and local jurisdiction. No other bishop has this perogative
The canon of Scripture was never contemplated initially either. You want your cake and eat it too.
Do you honestly think the Catholic Church invented the papacy? Surely, you can't be that stupid.

 

[RedFan]

That’s a LIE because I’ve given you evidence and you have rejected it.

You haven't given evidence. Only argument based on speculation and possibility.

 

[GodsGrace]

Who said Linus was appointed by Peter? How can Peter appoint a successor when Peter is dead?

Chapter and verse, please.

a non-sequitur fallacy. An office without successors is not an office. .

No pope, no unity.

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The Bishop of Rome has local jurisdiction for the diocese of Rome, the same as any bishop of any diocese anywhere.
The bishop of Rome has a dual function, universal and local jurisdiction. No other bishop has this perogative
The canon of Scripture was never contemplated initially either. You want your cake and eat it too.
Do you honestly think the Catholic Church invented the papacy? Surely, you can't be that stupid.

Are all Catholics nasty persons?
Whew!

If I were @RedFan I wouldn't even reply to you.
Mercy.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Still regardless of how many times you are told, show….you still do NOT Comprehend…

Non-Believers, at the time of their bodily death…..SHALL LOSE THEIR SALVATION.

Believers, at the time of their bodily death…
SHALL RECEIVE THEIR SALVATION.

Converted Believers…(alive in their Body, YET CRUCIFIED BODILY WITH CHRIST JESUS)….
HAVE RECEIVED THEIR SALVATION..

It matters NOT when an individual RECEIVES their SALVATION….BUT ONCE RECEIVED…it is For-Ever.

The TREE OF LIFE was Offered to Adam and Eve…It was Already theirs to TAKE, RECEIVE, POSSESS… They Didn’t choose to take from that Tree……..Duh…they LOST the benefit of eating from that tree.

SALVATION is similar. Jesus OFFERED ALL of manKIND SALVATION….
It is ALREADY theirs to TAKE, RECEIVE, POSSESS…

Duh….If an individual doesn’t TAKE Jesus’ Offering….THEY LOSE IT…and the IT IS SALVATION.

You erroneously teach, preach a MAN who has, Taken, Has, Possess his SALVATION…can “THEREAFTER” Lose his Salvation, which is patently FALSE.

A man who HAS Accepted, Taken the Lords Gift of Salvation…
DUH…that mans Salvation is KEPT UNTO THAT MAN FOREVER….BY the POWER of God WITH-IN that man.

You spend too much time repeating nonsense of men, instead of Reading and Studying Gods Word…

IN- Christ…ring a bell?
Christ - IN a man…ring a bell?
No man can pluck another out of the Lords hand…out of Gods hand…ring a bell?
Greater is he that is “IN” you than he that is in the world…..ring a bell?

Really you think you can RECEIVE Gods Gift of Salvation and you have the power to throw it away? Pfff.

Really you think the Lord God, is NOT ALL KNOWING…and is GIVING HIS GIFT OF SALVATION to ANY MAN WHO at some point in his life would STOP Believing?

You should pray for Spiritual Understanding regarding Spiritual matters….because your Carnal Mindedness….and your reliance on other mens Carnal Mindedness is A corruption you blindly repeat over and over.

Just as a rescued person can jump off of a lifeboat and be lost forever - a born-again person can fall back into a sinful life and be lost.

YOU can deny this fact until you're blue in the face - but the Word of God proves you wrong . . .
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

 

[RedFan]

Who said Linus was appointed by Peter? How can Peter appoint a successor when Peter is dead?

By doing so before he died. If Peter didn't do that, by whose authority did Pope #2 manage to gain the office?

Chapter and verse, please.

Luke 9:27, Mark 9:1, Matt. 16:28.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You haven't given evidence. Only argument based on speculation and possibility.

I gave you Scriptural evidence for Apostolic Succession (Acts 1:20).
YOUR response is that Peter was “mistaken”.

In post#1438 – I have you a 14-point litany of Scripture verses and Biblical evidence for Peter’s Primacy over the Apostles and the Church.
YOU replied, “What doe this have to do with the Papacy?”

You’re just another dishonest anti-Catholic living in hopeless denial . . .

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

La, la, la, la, Accusing is not proof…

I did not accuse or prove anything, I just used your out-of-context, off topic verse and turned the tables on you, and you present another off topic reply. This is why discussion with you is impossible, and its too bad you cannot be ignored.

I do not agree with your Carnal Minded Understanding.

Why? Because you abuse "carnal mind" to support your man made traditions?

You are not my teacher.

Of course not. You have no teacher beyond yourself. You affirm that repeatedly.

Be yourself content to think your power supersedes Gods…

What have I posted to justify this insult? Use the quote feature like and adult.

while I am content the Lord HAS sanctified me.

It doesn't show when you resort to lame illogical replies.