Why did Jesus command Peter to "feed" His sheep? - Sheep are grazing animals. ???

[Davy]

Why do you change the question with every post? We weren't talking about the patriarchs and prophets.

I am talking about the patriarchs and prophets. So you didn't know that The Gospel of Jesus Christ was first preached to Abraham? (Gal.3) So how could you just discount them, just because that happened back in Old Testament times? You do believe Jesus Christ existed back in Old Testament times, right??

Why do you pretend to know me? You are WAY off base.


The apostles ARE the New Testament authors. Of course they agree with themselves. What are you trying to say?


From where I stand, you're the one creating confusion by taking the word 'church' and trying to apply it to the Old Testament - something which the Old Testament does not do.

No, I don't create confusion. Your confusion is coming from you NOT having studied ALL your Bible, but instead obviously dwelling on other things.

 

[MA2444]

Is there a lot of livestock where you're from? How would you know the above?

We had livestock when I was growing up. So I learned it.

 

[Wick Stick]

Your confusion is coming from you NOT having studied ALL your Bible, but instead obviously dwelling on other things.

Why do you do this? Why insult people that you don't know? Do you imagine that this is winning ANYONE over?

 

[Wick Stick]

Not sure if a herdsman moves sheep or cattle, or both. ???

In this verse, it's cattle. I checked the Hebrew word.

Where I'm from, ranchers tend cattle, and shepherds tend sheep. And historically, they don't like each other.

 

[St. SteVen]

In this verse, it's cattle. I checked the Hebrew word.

Where I'm from, ranchers tend cattle, and shepherds tend sheep. And historically, they don't like each other.

So, what's the spiritual application?

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[Wick Stick]

So, what's the spiritual application?

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In this verse? Nothing. Amos is just telling us where God took him from

 

[Fred J]

The idea of pasturing the sheep is where the title PASTOR originated from old French pastur, as it means a shepherd.

Thanks, i get the point, but for me there's only one Good Shepherd to His lambs and sheep, and there's only one alpha male among the pack.

Humbly am not turned on those who go by the title, Reverend, Doctor, Pastor, etc. as leaders of the church. Just prefer a simple elder among the pack, who is like Jesus, approachable and treat all right and fairly.

But Jesus can be hard too at times when we're not acting right, as a lesson from Peter, Jesus rebuked him. Even in the epistle of James is written, not all of us brethren should become masters because such will be greatly judged.

Anyway, shalom because of our Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Peter was a disciple told to feed Jesus' sheep.
In this case, the disciple is the leader and the sheep are followers. (being cared for)

John 21:15-17 NIV
When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter,
“Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
16 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?”
He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.

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Leading the sheep to green pasture all the time is apparently feeding them.

 

[Fred J]

@everyone

Not sure if you know this but its an interesting insight re Hebrews 5:14

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How subtle is the difference between good and evil both in the their spelling and in the applied Wisdom of God to shepherd the sheep?

Kalos vs Kakos

2 letters - 1 letter apart!

To discern good and evil is done by a trained mind like that of the Apostle Peter & Paul...and by those who set their minds on Godly things

F2F

To discern good and evil for me is based on 2Timothy3:16&17 and the wisdom given us.

As we reflect Jesus' parable about a tree and it's fruit, and He concluded, 'You will know them by their fruit."

 

[Davy]

We had livestock when I was growing up. So I learned it.

Though all of my ancestors were farmers in South Carolina, I didn't grow up on a farm, but there's farms all around where I'm from. So I kind of feel sorry for city dwellers that marvel at seeing cows in a field when they drive down here in the South on their way to Florida, etc.

 

[Davy]

Why do you do this? Why insult people that you don't know? Do you imagine that this is winning ANYONE over?

YOU are the one that began making FALSE CLAIMS about me...

You said to me, personally insulting me:
"From where I stand, you're the one creating confusion by taking the word 'church' and trying to apply it to the Old Testament - something which the Old Testament does not do."

I showed you Acts 7:38 what the prophet Stephen said with "the church in the wilderness" which is NEW TESTAMENT Scripture describing the congregation of God's chosen Israel while in the desert having left Egypt. Just because you don't see the word 'church' mentioned in the Old Testament Scriptures does not mean it did not exist yet involving the 'congregation', which is the actual meaning of the word 'church'.

I also showed you what Apostle Paul taught in Galatians 3 regarding The Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is the Promise by Faith, being first given through Abraham. Abraham believed, and it was counted to him as righteousness. Why do so many of my Christian brethren deny what Paul taught there about Abraham and The Gospel back then, even with YOUR bark of disagreemnt about me bringing up the Old Testament patriarchs?

Gal 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, 'Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree':
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

How can any true Christian deny what Apostle Paul showed there about Abraham's Faith being the same as OUR Faith on The Gospel of Jesus Christ? Abraham was 1st in that Faith, which is why Paul says all those of FAITH like Abraham are the same as the children of Abraham.

What did this mean for those patriarchs after... Abraham, like his son Isaac, and his son Jacob, and his 12 sons that became the 12 tribes of Israel? Did they not know about Christ? Yes, those of FAITH even in Old Testament times KNEW about Christ, because God told them, and Jesus Himself appeared to them and guided them in those times, like that "church in the wilderness" idea, and when Apostle Paul said Christ was that "Rock that followed them" (1 Corinthians 10:4).

What I am trying to show you is that there were believers on Christ back in Old Testament days too, even as David was shown by God that Christ would come as a sacrifice and suffer saying "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" in Psalms 22, and even Isaiah was shown about Christ in Isaiah 7; 9; and 23. In Hebrews 7 Paul revealed that Jesus was the Melchizedek that met Abraham and offered Abraham "bread and wine". Even Genesis 3:15 was the first hint about Christ's crucifixion.

So why do I go into all this? Because of men's doctrines they try to create about God's Church which actually began in Old Testament times as Jesus Christ has always... existed Eternally, just not in a flesh body until He was born of a virgin like the Isaiah 7 prophecy proclaimed about "Immanuel" (God with us). So if you don't think all this is part of The Gospel of Jesus Christ too, then your teachers or those you listen to, show their great lack of Bible understanding also.

 

[Davy]

Thanks, i get the point, but for me there's only one Good Shepherd to His lambs and sheep, and there's only one alpha male among the pack.

Humbly am not turned on those who go by the title, Reverend, Doctor, Pastor, etc. as leaders of the church. Just prefer a simple elder among the pack, who is like Jesus, approachable and treat all right and fairly.

But Jesus can be hard too at times when we're not acting right, as a lesson from Peter, Jesus rebuked him. Even in the epistle of James is written, not all of us brethren should become masters because such will be greatly judged.

Anyway, shalom because of our Lord Jesus Christ

Well, one can try... and develop their own personal opinion on the matter, but my point was only about titles using for certain duties under Jesus Christ. Just because someone is called to be a pastor-teacher, or evangelist, or minister, doesn't make them any better than any other believer on Jesus Christ. Yet Christ did... setup a hierarchy for His Church, with Himself as The Head. So there's no room for communist-style ideas like no need for government, and such things, because even that Christ Jesus is going to establish when He returns and is our KING, which means a Monarchy.

 

[Wick Stick]

YOU are the one that began making FALSE CLAIMS about me...

No I haven't. C'mon... I've said nothing about YOU. I don't know you.

You said to me, personally insulting me:
"From where I stand, you're the one creating confusion by taking the word 'church' and trying to apply it to the Old Testament - something which the Old Testament does not do."

Where's the insult? I don't see one. And what part of that is false? Have I mischaracterized what you said? I don't think I did... you seem to have repeated your position rather clearly in the rest of the post. I did say that I don't agree, and I don't believe the Bible agrees with you, but I haven't put any words in your mouth.

I showed you Acts 7:38 what the prophet Stephen said with "the church in the wilderness" which is NEW TESTAMENT Scripture describing the congregation of God's chosen Israel while in the desert having left Egypt. Just because you don't see the word 'church' mentioned in the Old Testament Scriptures does not mean it did not exist yet involving the 'congregation', which is the actual meaning of the word 'church'.

Is this not the same point I summarized above? And I acknowledged that point, and then argued against it, showing that the קְהַל (the congregation of all Israel) is orders of magnitude larger than the church. It's a national assembly, substantially more than a local meeting. They are both assemblies- yes - but a grasshopper is not an elephant, even though they are both animals.

I also showed you what Apostle Paul taught in Galatians 3 regarding The Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is the Promise by Faith, being first given through Abraham. Abraham believed, and it was counted to him as righteousness. Why do so many of my Christian brethren deny what Paul taught there about Abraham and The Gospel back then, even with YOUR bark of disagreemnt about me bringing up the Old Testament patriarchs?

Now you're putting words in my mouth. Let me reassure you by affirming the truth of what you've said - Abraham indeed believed, and it WAS accounted to him as righteousness. I have no quarrel with this. But nowhere have I said anything about the patriarchs, except to point out that they are irrelevant to what we are talking about. Abraham held neither an ἐκκλησία nor a קְהַל. He was simply נָשִׂיא (captain) over his tribe and household.

How can any true Christian deny what Apostle Paul showed there about Abraham's Faith being the same as OUR Faith on The Gospel of Jesus Christ? Abraham was 1st in that Faith, which is why Paul says all those of FAITH like Abraham are the same as the children of Abraham.

I have not denied this. I've affirmed it. But what does it have to do with the topic? If you want to talk about that, perhaps start a topic about that subject.

What I am trying to show you is that there were believers on Christ back in Old Testament days too,

Yes, there are. But that doesn't make them a church.

So why do I go into all this? Because of men's doctrines they try to create about God's Church which actually began in Old Testament times as Jesus Christ has always... existed Eternally, just not in a flesh body until He was born of a virgin like the Isaiah 7 prophecy proclaimed about "Immanuel" (God with us).

You define "church" strangely. The Old Testament contains a pattern or type of things in the New Testament... including the church. But the Old Testament pattern of the church is the PRIESTHOOD, and not the WHOLE CONGREGATION OF ISRAEL. And it is still just that - a type.

So if you don't think all this is part of The Gospel of Jesus Christ too, then your teachers or those you listen to, show their great lack of Bible understanding also.

Again with this... I have no living mentors at this stage of my life. There is no single church whose creed I hold dogmatically. What ARE you talking about? My teachers are Jesus, Paul, Moses... and I doubt you are trying to impugn THEM.

 

[Behold]

Peter was a disciple told to feed Jesus' sheep.

Specifically for PETER, this was a light rebuke.

Also, we have to keep in mind that when Jesus walked the earth, there was no Internet, Cell phones, flying aircraft, or Pizza Hut or McDonalds.
No Tesla, or Atomic Weapons, or a Toyota or Nissan or "built Ford tough".

What was "down here", 2000 yrs ago, when Jesus was talking ?

Shepherds and sheep.

You might recall that they boy who would be King, was a "young shepherd boy" named DAVID.

So, as Jesus had no internet or online sites, for (reference) "cut and paste" reference, He used what was available at that time.......like Shepherds, to illustrate the leader of a flock.......................of sheep.

A.) Himself, as Jesus is the Chief Shepherd and we are "all like sheep have gone astray", and so, Jesus sends us His Cross to help the LOST find their way back to God's Family.

 

[Davy]

No I haven't. C'mon... I've said nothing about YOU. I don't know you.

Where's the insult? I don't see one. And what part of that is false? Have I mischaracterized what you said? I don't think I did... you seem to have repeated your position rather clearly in the rest of the post. I did say that I don't agree, and I don't believe the Bible agrees with you, but I haven't put any words in your mouth.


Is this not the same point I summarized above? And I acknowledged that point, and then argued against it, showing that the קְהַל (the congregation of all Israel) is orders of magnitude larger than the church. It's a national assembly, substantially more than a local meeting. They are both assemblies- yes - but a grasshopper is not an elephant, even though they are both animals.


Now you're putting words in my mouth. Let me reassure you by affirming the truth of what you've said - Abraham indeed believed, and it WAS accounted to him as righteousness. I have no quarrel with this. But nowhere have I said anything about the patriarchs, except to point out that they are irrelevant to what we are talking about. Abraham held neither an ἐκκλησία nor a קְהַל. He was simply נָשִׂיא (captain) over his tribe and household.


I have not denied this. I've affirmed it. But what does it have to do with the topic? If you want to talk about that, perhaps start a topic about that subject.


Yes, there are. But that doesn't make them a church.


You define "church" strangely. The Old Testament contains a pattern or type of things in the New Testament... including the church. But the Old Testament pattern of the church is the PRIESTHOOD, and not the WHOLE CONGREGATION OF ISRAEL. And it is still just that - a type.


Again with this... I have no living mentors at this stage of my life. There is no single church whose creed I hold dogmatically. What ARE you talking about? My teachers are Jesus, Paul, Moses... and I doubt you are trying to impugn THEM.

It's not worth trying to talk with you, since you are obviously 'stuck' on men's doctrines instead of actually understanding how The Gospel was also known about by God's chosen back in Old Testament times. I'd heard your rhetoric all before, and it points mainly to those who only stay in The New Testament Books. And some of those that do that even claim all... the Old Testament Books are dead history, showing their Biblical illiteracy!

 

[Wick Stick]

It's not worth trying to talk with you, since you are obviously 'stuck' on men's doctrines instead of actually understanding how The Gospel was also know about by God's chosen back in Old Testament times. I'd hear your rhetoric all before, and it points mainly to those who only stay in The New Testament Books. And some of those that do that even claim all... the Old Testament Books are dead history, showing their Biblical illiteracy!

So basically that's 'I can't answer anything you said, so I'll resort to personal attacks based on wild guesses.'

Yeah, I think we're done here. /ignored

 

[Fred J]

Well, one can try... and develop their own personal opinion on the matter,

And that's what you are also doing, and given not scripture quote to support you version on matters.

 

[Davy]

And that's what you are also doing, and given not scripture quote to support you version on matters.

I assumed you already knew... about those things written in God's Word.

The idea of a pastor is from the Old Testament idea of a shepherd. He leads the sheep to green pastures, which is where the word pastor originates.

pastor | Etymology of pastor by etymonline

"shepherd, one who has care of a flock or herd" (a sense now obsolete), also figurative,… See origin and meaning of pastor.

www.etymonline.com

So it does not make sense why you are like straining at a gnat with that.

 

[Fred J]

So it does not make sense why you are like straining at a gnat with that.

Or are you?

 

[Fred J]

The idea of a pastor is from the Old Testament idea of a shepherd. He leads the sheep to green pastures, which is where the word pastor originates.

That's your self made up assumption, without scripture quote to verify.

There's no self imagination like yours claiming an idea of a pastors is from the O.T. idea of a sherperd.

Learn to crawl before you learn to walk, learn the Scripture and it's context before teach and correct others.

In the Old Testament, they are referred to as leaders of Israel, from the King to Scribes and Priests. They are referred to as 'hired shepherd', and GOD's every word proceeding out HIS mouth is the true 'Good Shepherd'.

Moreover GOD did verify that when the wolves attack these hired shepherd run away leaving HIS lambs and sheep behind.