This comes across that you just immediately dismissed what I said without considering it at all. Do you have any specific thoughts at all on any of the points I made?
Did you read my post? I showed from Romans 11:11-14 that the blindness was being removed from some of those who were blinded already in Paul's day. People think it's talking about Israel as a whole being blinded until some later time, but that is not at all what Paul said. Are you taking Romans 11:11-14 into consideration here?
Keeping in mind that "blindness in part" means some Israelites were blinded and a remnant were not (Romans 11:5-7) and keeping in mind that the blindness of some Israelites was being removed even back in Paul's day already (Romans 11:11-14), we should understand that what Paul was saying in verse 25 is that the ongoing process that had started already in Paul's day would continue all the way until "the fulness of the Gentiles be come in".
What ongoing process is that? The one Paul described in Romans 11:11-14.
Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
The process that God put into place in regards to salvation almost 2,000 years ago was that He first reserved an elect remnant of Israelite believers that belonged to Him (such as Jesus's disciples and others) and then He blinded the rest of them (Romans 11:5-7).
Then, after He blinded and cut off those Israelite unbelievers, He brought the gospel of Christ and salvation to the Gentiles. But, those who were blinded stumbled and did not fall. That means their blindness was only temporary. Christ came to sacrifice His life for the sins of the world and some had to be blinded to ensure that He was crucified in order to fulfill what He came to do. After that, the gospel went out to the world starting in Israel. At that point those Israelites who had been blinded were given a chance to repent and put their faith in Christ and be saved. That's why Paul said he hoped to help "save some of them".
The process started back then was that salvation would come to the Gentiles which would then provoke the Israelites to jealousy so that they too would want to accept the gospel of Christ and be saved. And some of them who were previously blinded were saved. This process has been ongoing ever since then. That is what Romans 11:25 is talking about. Israel would continue to be blinded in part from Paul's day until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in because that was God's plan for how to save Israelites, which is by way of the Gentiles provoking them to jealousy. And that plan has resulted in many Israelites being saved in the past almost 2,000 years.
He already started doing that long ago on the day of Pentecost. I say again that there is no other covenant by which people's sins are taken away besides the new covenant. Do you disagree with this? The new covenant was already established long ago by the blood of Christ. Taking a futurist view of Romans 11 is a mistake. It talks about things that were true already in Paul's day and have been true ever since and will be true until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Zechariah 12:9-10 and Matthew 24:30 have completely different contexts.
Zechariah 12:9-10 is quoted in relation to a first coming of Christ fulfillment, not a second coming fulfillment.
John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
Zechariah 12:9-10 is in relation to people mourning Christ's death as many did when it happened. Matthew 24:30, contrastly, is about people wailing in fear at His coming because of the wrath that is about to come down on them. Matthew 24:30 relates to this rather than Zechariah 12:9-10:
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
I read what you wrote but you are ignoring the “timing” of WHEN the Deliverer/Redeemer comes out of Sion to remove ungodliness from flesh and blood Israel. Per the words of Paul this event does not happen until AFTER the fulness of the Gentiles comes in.
I fully understand what has taken place with Israel over the past 2,000 years, no need to go there. Yes a “remnant” of Israel has been saved during that time, but that is not what Paul is talking about when he said the Deliverer comes out of Zion.
Here is more prophecy that confirms the “timing” of when the Lord/Deliverer comes out of Zion ( verse 16)…
Joel 3:9-16
King James Version
9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord.
12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.(notice the timing)
13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.(notice the 6th seal signs)
15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.(notice when the Deliverer comes out of Zion)
16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.”
All the scriptures agree to the timing…
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, (((and they also which pierced him:))) and all kindreds of the earth shall wail (mourn) because of him. Even so, Amen.
Paul said ALL Israel shall be saved…
Romans 11:26-32
King James Version
26 And so ALL Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: (((but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.)))
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon ALL.
