Warning of dangers to the doctors & some of their patients, even healers / pending judgment of God

[Deborah_]

Is Immunotherapy currently being used in the USA?:

I expect so - it's certainly being used in the UK, and I know someone who's receiving it.

 

[Deborah_]

I am sorry for you that you had cancer and endured the Chemotherapy practiced medicine. I know you indicated you had received "various" treatments for cancer including "chemo-therapy" and "radio therapy". And that must have been a trial for you to endure. God is Almighty to the salvation and resurrection of the children of God into receiving eternal life. What a glorious God he is! I pray that he heals you entirely

I wrote this 7 years ago, just after finishing my treatment:

No guarantees

Cancer is a diagnosis that you can never put behind you… By the very nature of the disease, the persistence of just one cancer cell after treatment means that it will eventually come back. And even…

deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com

7 years on, I'm still fit and well - praise God!

 

[amadeus]

I am a doctor, and I have also received various cancer treatments, including chemotherapy and radiotherapy.


The heart can operate independently of the medulla as well.


Radio-isotopes are a form of radiotherapy, not chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is treatment with drugs, not radiation.


Sorry - it was late at night over here and I used the term CPR wrongly. I was talking about defibrillation, using electric shock. You are correct: the aim of manual CPR is to keep oxygenated blood flowing until the normal heartbeat can be re-started. One of the causes of cardiac arrest is "ventricular fibrillation" in which the heart muscle cells contract independently of one another (this means that the heart stops acting as a pump). The electric shock puts a stop to this chaotic behaviour and allows the normal heart control mechanism (which is located in the heart itself, not in the medulla of the brain) to reset and regain control.


Surgery for cancer is only curative if the cancer hasn't spread. If it has spread (which was the case with mine), then you need chemotherapy as well. But it's impossible to know for certain that a tumour hasn't spread because our scans and other tests aren't sensitive enough to detect just a handful of cancer cells. So it's often a case of both/and, not either/or. Which course of action is best depends on so many variables, including the type of cancer and its location. Not being a cancer expert and not knowing the details of the case, I can't say which doctor was right - or it could have been a "grey area" when either course of action would be reasonable.

@dev553344
When two different doctors decided that the best course for my lung cancer was surgery, the nodule in my lung was the only place they knew I had cancer. Surgery was considered a better course than chemotherapy or radiotherapy. During the operation to remove the lower part of my lung they encountered lymphnodes which were also infected. Those lymphnodes were removed during that surgery. Once I had healed sufficiently from the surgery, chemotherapy was begun because the cancer had been found in places besides my lung. All of my CT and PET scans since my chemotherapy was completed have found no more cancer. The side effects of the chemotherapy made me miserable at the time.

Also both my hearing and my eyesight were apparently affected adversely by the chemotherapy. For me both issues have been resolved. Also I developed neuropathy in both my hands and my feet apparently due to the chemotherapy. I am seeing a neurologist about that now.

After completing the chemotherapy, immunotherapy was initiated. I went through that for a little over a year. I completed it recently with no known adverse affects.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I wrote this 7 years ago, just after finishing my treatment:

No guarantees

Cancer is a diagnosis that you can never put behind you… By the very nature of the disease, the persistence of just one cancer cell after treatment means that it will eventually come back. And even…

deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com

7 years on, I'm still fit and well - praise God!

Happy to hear that!

 

[Raccoon1010]

@dev553344
When two different doctors decided that the best course for my lung cancer was surgery, the nodule in my lung was the only place they knew I had cancer. Surgery was considered a better course than chemotherapy or radiotherapy. During the operation to remove the lower part of my lung they encountered lymphnodes which were also infected. Those lymphnodes were removed during that surgery. Once I had healed sufficiently from the surgery, chemotherapy was begun because the cancer had been found in places besides my lung. All of my CT and PET scans since my chemotherapy was completed have found no more cancer. The side effects of the chemotherapy made me miserable at the time.

Also both my hearing and my eyesight were apparently affected adversely by the chemotherapy. For me both issues have been resolved. Also I developed neuropathy in both my hands and my feet apparently due to the chemotherapy. I am seeing a neurologist about that now.

After completing the chemotherapy, immunotherapy was initiated. I went through that for a little over a year. I completed it recently with no known adverse affects.

Thanks for the update. Sorry you went thru that. I wasn't aware of all you were going thru. It certainly is pleasant to hear from you. I will pray for you and @Deborah_.

 

[amadeus]

Thanks for the update. Sorry you went thru that. I wasn't aware of all you were going thru. It certainly is pleasant to hear from you. I will pray for you and @Deborah_.

Thank you for prayers my friend.

 

[liafailrock]

Disclaimer: The following issues are sensitive to people. God would want me to direct them and have them remember, while reading the material below that God is a healer and desires all to return to him and heaven to be part of his happy family. If anything appears to be an issue for the reader then I would direct them to God in prayer. He is a loving God and slow to anger. He waiting 400 years to free the Israelites from atrocities that were committed against them by the Egyptians, he is here now I must testify to and have seen him spiritually and in other ways, and is addressing problems in society.

I assessed some problems in society and felt I should warn people of a possible undesired judgment of God upon doctors:

First there was the CPR and shock paddle idea that could restart the heart. The shock paddle causes convulsions and is aimed at the heart to convulse the heart to pump after it stops. But the problem with that is the involuntary control of the heart rhythm is in the brain area:

"Medulla. At the bottom of the brainstem, the medulla is where the brain meets the spinal cord. The medulla is essential to survival. Functions of the medulla regulate many bodily activities, including heart rhythm, breathing, blood flow, and oxygen and carbon dioxide levels." Brain Anatomy and How the Brain Works

And so didn't look like the cause of the heart starting again. I know that God has a good nature and probably healed some but not all of people that undergo that attempted treatment by doctors. Did they honor God and his healing powers while he was watching them? Doctors included.

Second was the ECT (Electro-shock-therapy) and it sometimes is used in mental health hospitals and is claimed to help patients with certain mental help problems. I believe they said it had temporary aid. It is a lot of wattage at a dangerous frequency waveform that might even cause damage to the brain. It causes from what I understand a subconscious and perhaps conscious extreme experience for the patient and even cause their body to convulse. That appeared traumatic for the patient as I wondered it might be. Do those dangerous wave forms cause cancer thru some EMF damage to the DNA areas of cells that cause mutations to form. Is there other damage I don't consider?

Third was Chemo-Therapy. And I know there is a photo-electric effect where the energy of photons is high enough to knock out DNA parts in the DNA double helix. That part is either missing or replaced by something else. And that can damage the cell division and cause tumors whether cancerous or noncancerous. Either type of tumor is dangerous to the body and needs to be addressed. The originating cancer cause might already have been radioactive isotope gamma/x-ray-UV level radiation. So how is this Chemo-Therapy not endangering normal healthy cells, while the claims from the doctors is that it can kill cancer cells.

All of that potential harm to the body, reminded me of the Lord's prayer which states "Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil". There is also Moses and the Israelite slaves that escaped the Egyptians and passed thru the parting of the sea as God created and collapsed on the Egyptians allowing the Israelite's to escape.

In all of the doctor procedures, they appear to me to be potentially damaging the body, and God appears to respond by selecting who he heals and who he allows to be damaged by the doctors. Is that leading them into temptation for a later judgment. I thought that might relate to Babylon, that spiritual city of Satan's that advanced in some area in an evil way. There is also Sodom and Egypt.

I agree with what you are saying here. Somehow most people (Christians included) disassociate health and spirituality except for the cases where God heals in the context of a miracle as a last resort when doctors fail (and they most usually do). But the idea is that illness is merely "something happens" for no rhyme or reason. There is a reason, and sometimes it's the person's fault, and other times it's a plan of God such as the man born blind so that they could see the miracle and workings of God in his life as Jesus said. Sometimes God incapacitates part of the body for another purpose of His (such as Paul's "thorn in the flesh"). Whatever the reason, the person can have control in how they take care of their temple in the context of God's Word and His plan. If they do that, then they know their problems are not from themselves, such as ignorance or disobedience to His Word.

And along that line, we know we are doing right if we eat and nourish ourselves physically according to God's Word. Whenever a "new study" saying what certain foods can do whatever,(usually bad news) I check if it aligns with God's Word. Salt raises the blood pressure? Let's check that out. His Word was said that all the offerings in which some of them the priests partook in. I'm sure God did not want his priests running around with high blood pressure or for that matter risks of stroke or heart attack like the doctors sternly warn about. (That said, they used mined and sea salt, not the processed stuff we have today - stay away from man-made processing). How about saturated fats? Well, some of the internal fat of the land animals were offered to the Lord, as well as the blood, but good, lean cattle meat was Kosher. They ate fatty things like butter and cheese, so that throws the saturated fat idea out the window. Another example was that omega 3 DHA and EPA, once considered good now "all of a sudden" one of them (I forget which one) is now bad for you. Well, what about it? Seafood with fins and scales were deemed Kosher (and that's the oil where I get my supplements from such fish). So tell me, why would God put the two together to cancel each other out? An on that note, that disproves biblically the "separating the egg yolk from the albumen" idea as well. All these God allowed to eat. "Well, how do we know that's healthy just because it is written as such?" a skeptical doctor may ask. Simple. God spoke of His Law and Commandments (all of them, including what to eat) by saying Do this and Live. Period. The only way out is to deny the existence of God. But then that opens up philosophical questions not the least of which is the famous Einsteinian quote, "The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible." And Laws and mathematical concepts imply thought process and rational thinking - how can the universe behave as a mathematical concept if it is a non-being? Laws imply a Law-giver, and Jesus Christ, by his infallible proofs of his resurrection, attested to the Laws of Moses.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I agree with what you are saying here. Somehow most people (Christians included) disassociate health and spirituality except for the cases where God heals in the context of a miracle as a last resort when doctors fail (and they most usually do). But the idea is that illness is merely "something happens" for no rhyme or reason. There is a reason, and sometimes it's the person's fault, and other times it's a plan of God such as the man born blind so that they could see the miracle and workings of God in his life as Jesus said. Sometimes God incapacitates part of the body for another purpose of His (such as Paul's "thorn in the flesh"). Whatever the reason, the person can have control in how they take care of their temple in the context of God's Word and His plan. If they do that, then they know their problems are not from themselves, such as ignorance or disobedience to His Word.

And along that line, we know we are doing right if we eat and nourish ourselves physically according to God's Word. Whenever a "new study" saying what certain foods can do whatever,(usually bad news) I check if it aligns with God's Word. Salt raises the blood pressure? Let's check that out. His Word was said that all the offerings in which some of them the priests partook in. I'm sure God did not want his priests running around with high blood pressure or for that matter risks of stroke or heart attack like the doctors sternly warn about. (That said, they used mined and sea salt, not the processed stuff we have today - stay away from man-made processing). How about saturated fats? Well, some of the internal fat of the land animals were offered to the Lord, as well as the blood, but good, lean cattle meat was Kosher. They ate fatty things like butter and cheese, so that throws the saturated fat idea out the window. Another example was that omega 3 DHA and EPA, once considered good now "all of a sudden" one of them (I forget which one) is now bad for you. Well, what about it? Seafood with fins and scales were deemed Kosher (and that's the oil where I get my supplements from such fish). So tell me, why would God put the two together to cancel each other out? An on that note, that disproves biblically the "separating the egg yolk from the albumen" idea as well. All these God allowed to eat. "Well, how do we know that's healthy just because it is written as such?" a skeptical doctor may ask. Simple. God spoke of His Law and Commandments (all of them, including what to eat) by saying Do this and Live. Period. The only way out is to deny the existence of God. But then that opens up philosophical questions not the least of which is the famous Einsteinian quote, "The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible." And Laws and mathematical concepts imply thought process and rational thinking - how can the universe behave as a mathematical concept if it is a non-being? Laws imply a Law-giver, and Jesus Christ, by his infallible proofs of his resurrection, attested to the Laws of Moses.

Hello liafailrock! Happy to talk with you.

I was under the understanding that Paul's thorn in the flesh was buffeting from a messenger of Satan. I will not blame God for Satan's harassment against Paul. Man's afflictions I have debated on this forum and other forums and that is an extensive discussion that would consume this thread. I will just address the doctor discussions.

I am glad you brought up some of the doctor issues that I didn't address. Your ideas certainly are interesting. I studied science including nutrition and some medicine. I drew the conclusion that doctors have been selling some rather extravagant findings which don't appear to have a basis in reality. I liked your statement about fats. I am not concerned about eating what God intended us to eat and enjoy the meals of old time instead of the badgering that the warnings from doctors put into peoples minds and hearts. I think it can be harmful for people to believe they can die eventually from eating fatty meats. I looked up the idea myself and found that an increase in cholesterol happens for a smaller percentage of people and probably didn't even matter. I certainly didn't care for their scary messages which seemed to deter people from eating foods God intended for us.

Well done liafailrock, I think you hit the nail on the head in the fats discussion.

God certainly can command the elements and I have been given testimony that he can command the wind and also the earth and sun. I don't believe there is anywhere in the Universe that he cannot command. I think he allows his children to have freedom of choice. So I don't believe he directly commands his people. He can, with a loving hand, direct us out of harms way with some force. He leads us in mind, heart and body thru the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I like that he heals us. And has given us commandments by word to follow.

Great discussion!