Warning of dangers to the doctors & some of their patients, even healers / pending judgment of God

[Raccoon1010]

Disclaimer: The following issues are sensitive to people. God would want me to direct them and have them remember, while reading the material below that God is a healer and desires all to return to him and heaven to be part of his happy family. If anything appears to be an issue for the reader then I would direct them to God in prayer. He is a loving God and slow to anger. He waiting 400 years to free the Israelites from atrocities that were committed against them by the Egyptians, he is here now I must testify to and have seen him spiritually and in other ways, and is addressing problems in society.

I assessed some problems in society and felt I should warn people of a possible undesired judgment of God upon doctors:

First there was the CPR and shock paddle idea that could restart the heart. The shock paddle causes convulsions and is aimed at the heart to convulse the heart to pump after it stops. But the problem with that is the involuntary control of the heart rhythm is in the brain area:

"Medulla. At the bottom of the brainstem, the medulla is where the brain meets the spinal cord. The medulla is essential to survival. Functions of the medulla regulate many bodily activities, including heart rhythm, breathing, blood flow, and oxygen and carbon dioxide levels." Brain Anatomy and How the Brain Works

And so didn't look like the cause of the heart starting again. I know that God has a good nature and probably healed some but not all of people that undergo that attempted treatment by doctors. Did they honor God and his healing powers while he was watching them? Doctors included.

Second was the ECT (Electro-shock-therapy) and it sometimes is used in mental health hospitals and is claimed to help patients with certain mental help problems. I believe they said it had temporary aid. It is a lot of wattage at a dangerous frequency waveform that might even cause damage to the brain. It causes from what I understand a subconscious and perhaps conscious extreme experience for the patient and even cause their body to convulse. That appeared traumatic for the patient as I wondered it might be. Do those dangerous wave forms cause cancer thru some EMF damage to the DNA areas of cells that cause mutations to form. Is there other damage I don't consider?

Third was Chemo-Therapy. And I know there is a photo-electric effect where the energy of photons is high enough to knock out DNA parts in the DNA double helix. That part is either missing or replaced by something else. And that can damage the cell division and cause tumors whether cancerous or noncancerous. Either type of tumor is dangerous to the body and needs to be addressed. The originating cancer cause might already have been radioactive isotope gamma/x-ray-UV level radiation. So how is this Chemo-Therapy not endangering normal healthy cells, while the claims from the doctors is that it can kill cancer cells.

All of that potential harm to the body, reminded me of the Lord's prayer which states "Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil". There is also Moses and the Israelite slaves that escaped the Egyptians and passed thru the parting of the sea as God created and collapsed on the Egyptians allowing the Israelite's to escape.

In all of the doctor procedures, they appear to me to be potentially damaging the body, and God appears to respond by selecting who he heals and who he allows to be damaged by the doctors. Is that leading them into temptation for a later judgment. I thought that might relate to Babylon, that spiritual city of Satan's that advanced in some area in an evil way. There is also Sodom and Egypt.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I've heard stories of Chemo therapy, where the patients cancer spreads instead of God healing them. And given the radioactive nature of Chemo treatment fluids I think I know why.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I talked to my psychologist, counselor and I told her I was getting ready to go back to work. She wanted to talk about it. But I thought it was a private matter. She continued to ask questions and I told her there was some stress that I didn't want to talk about. She asked me about what she called was "my anxiety". I told her I didn't have anxiety and it was stress that I would deal with responsibly when I could address the issue that was causing the stress. She even admitted that focusing on the "anxiety" could cause problems. I agreed, but didn't believe in the created psychology and terms used that I didn't feel were real to the God created persons.

I have met people that dwell on the fears they are having and perpetuate their problems. It is wise to let it fall and move on into the future until the stimuli causing the "fight or flight" fear can be adequately and responsibly corrected.

An example of that is being attacked by a dog, and then having troubling dog encounters later by irresponsible owners of dogs. One can easily assess a dog is potential dangerous with bark warnings and gnashing of teeth. Dogs are simple creatures to read. They express their boundaries well. Some dogs even are aggressive and dangerous beyond yard boundaries. And that might cause some "stress" not necessarily "fear" that someone sees as a problem. Getting some careful distance from a dog will alleviate the immediate threat and relieve the stress. I've even heard of police officers having to shoot dogs from irresponsible owners. That is an example and let's face it these days there are a lot of people with dangerous breads, like pitbulls, dobbermans, rottweilers and other more aggressive breads.

So what was the psychologist trying to do that was also injuring to the person. They didn't get away with it with me, but it would be bringing up a stress, which could turn into fear or aggression in a subject she was talking to. If it was fear they used the term "anxiety" and want to explore it further bringing more "anxiety" to the surface, if it was aggression and she saw signs of it, she might think that was a problem.

Aggression with the dog examples might be useful, but not with the psychologist, so I let her know I did not want to address the stress nor talk about it.

Counselors want to muck around with your feelings and the selling point for expensive treatment is that they claim to be able to treat you. So like the OP doctors, are they injuring people instead of "Healing" them. We Christians know only God can heal people so I was doubting that practice.

Let me examine what she was attempting to bring to the surface with me emotionally. I have been in near death experiences several times during homelessness. I must soon find a job and safely not fall into homelessness again. I know the threat of that homelessness. It is definitely a fight or flight problem. I also have a criminal record that lawyers are working to remove or hide from possible employers. If I apply before my record is cleared, the employers I "want to work for" may see that and it can permanently cause them to never hire me. Not even re-applying would work, I suspected, even after my record is cleared. They could remember my name and application to their company. Thus potentially limiting the jobs within reasonable distance I can work at successfully.

I did not want my counselor to start recording my legal problems in "Sunrise Services" database here in Washington state. Which I believe she was attempting to have me disclose. She types into her computer a lot of things I say. And that is a problem for me. Since they were hacked and the database accessed to my understanding although they disclosed it was hacked but claimed the database was not accessed. I have IT experience and saw flaws in their denial of liability from that hacker attack. AT&T, my carrier, was also hacked recently on the news (Here's what ruthless hackers stole from 110M AT&T customers) and suddenly I got several phone communications from mysterious numbers. Was it the "Sunrise services" attack, or the AT&T attack?

So how is the counselor damaging people? There are many methods of Satan, MK-Ultra things perhaps that I have considered and perhaps situational ways, that stress can be brought to the surface to experience what they call "anxiety". And it can be man made, satan induced, or pooled near death experiences or trauma that counsellor wants to bring to the surface.

There is probably a brain center where those near death experiences are stored and pooled together? Well certainly accessing one stress event I believe can bring up all the stress stored in God's temple and be a problem. God can heal that area and remove it from the temple, and he wants us to pray to him and he also knows our needs before we ask, but psychologist (counselors) don't have that capability. I certainly see dwindling of peoples conditions who have seen counselors that address issues that are not their God given authority area to pretend to fix. At least that is the case for me, and God was addressing those issues for me.

I wonder how many people actually decay "Psychologically" under a counselors care. They often use "Eastern" religious practices which have serpents and dragons, and or not Christian. I have 25 years of experience with counselors and is almost always more damaging to the Christian than helpful. That is what I testify to today. Do counselors take responsibility for the dwindling of the patient under their care? I'm not even sure that understand anything related to that in the first place. There are external factors after leaving a counselling session and satan. And they would probably want to talk about it more to see what is going on. Yada yada yada, how much money do they make with the help of satan and exernal influences they can't fix? Well I don't believe they can even fix anything, it is God who is the healer for the Christian.

I do need to take psychiatric medicine for now as God has stated he may heal me in the future, but not now. I have no need for a counsellor. I was working in California getting medication for the condition I have. And there was another business that got in the way of my healthy Christian life style. It was even a larger organization called "Kaiser Permanente". And when I switched jobs, and the insurance changed I was forced to see them instead of my previous psychiatrist. And I was only seeing the medince prescriber called a psychiatrist. Kaiser demanded I see a team, called a Psychaitrist and Pyschologist (counsellor). They demanded and forced me into counselling I didn't need and when I expressed that they bullied me with superior statements as if I was inferior somehow. Not a fun experience for me over the years just to get the meds I needed.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Is there something helpful regarding the issues I brought up? Well the doctors and counselors could address that themselves. I certainly didn't find anything myself. So I was to warn them of potential judgment from God, which judgment for the mercy is eternal life, and anger is eternal hellfire.

I would tell them to confess whatever sins they have committed, if they see them, to God and repent of those sins with God's help if necessary and if not already, turn to God by being baptized, confirmed for the Holy Ghost and receive the bread and wine of Jesus the Christ in hopes to be forgiven and saved ultimately. Engage in Christianity and not Eastern religion and practices.

 

[Raccoon1010]

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/are-lie-detector-tests-admissible-in-court.html

"In short: Lie detector tests have questionable reliability and are generally not admissible as evidence in court."

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A discussion about lie detectors. Are they damning to the people that believe lie detectors work, or do they even have any usefulness at all? God will certainly judge all man according to their deeds, hearts and thoughts. He will assess Satan's influence, man's influence and our own influence. Also a wise Christian has God the Father, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Ghost to deliver them along the way.

I talked about the fight or flight response. And it doesn't take a genius to figure out that when I person is being interrogated for a crime there is possible injury(s) and harm they could be facing if convicted by a questionable jury or judge, if it is a criminal case. Are jury reliable as an informed human cable of judging other people. I believe God is the only capable of judging a person. They will of course judge according to man and what they see as factual information and evidence, whether witness statements or other evidence and determine if a person has committed a crime. They say they must find beyond a reasonable doubt that the person committed the crime. Is the defendants lawyer intelligent either? Is the prosecutor using unfair tactics? We certainly saw questionable convictions against President Trump (now a former president).

God, man and Satan might fight within a trial, and who knows the outcome really.

A person might be scared if accused of a crime they committed. A person might also be scared if accused of a crime they haven't committed. No one knows what others are feeling, mentally-emotionally-physically. They just have no benchmark to know if any two people will react identically to the threat they are facing after sentencing is carried out. They can be imprisoned among other terrible fates.

Facing an arrest, public shaming during accusations, and all manner of injury may affect the person.

The statement argument regarding lie detectors:

Does The Polygraph “Lie Detector” Work? | NITV Federal Services | The manufacturer of the 'Computer Voice Stress Analyzer' - CVSA

"The polygraph became known colloquially as the “lie detector,” but that term is a misnomer. There is no scientifically conclusive way to detect lies, but there are ways to measure psychophysiological reactions caused by the stress of being deceptive."

That is an interesting term, they seem to be saying they can "measure psychophysiological reactions caused by the stress of being deceptive". I previously argued that there is no benchmark to stress between any two people to know with any certainty that a measurement can be used beyond a reasonably doubt in my opinion.

There is this process in physics that is a thought experiment used for me to understand relativity which is an idea and theory presented by Einstein. It is that one particle out in empty space cannot be measured to say if has a velocity. There is no benchmark or other particle to measure its distance change over time to assess it has a velocity. Then suddenly add a second particle out into that space and suddenly it appears to have position and possibly a velocity. Each of those particles is what I call a benchmark for the other particles velocity and position.

Is that concept valid for two humans and how they respond to stimuli, like endangering accusations of criminal trials and interrogation. Well certainly no one knows what experiences in life another persons has suffered or enjoyed, or even if two humans are created identically, they certain have different looks and fingerprints and brain structures. Even different spirits, unique to themselves that God created. They may have a build up over time that causes them to react to stimuli differently. God knows each of us and counts the very hairs on our head. He would know if two people would react differently to being accused of a crime, and also whether they committed it or not. I certainly doubt, both logically and in the Christian sense any man is capable of discerning that evidence. I find it not factual (the lie detector as described with the amount of research I have conducted on the issue) and find it questionable already. I found no further research on my part was necessary.

I then am concerned that if people are already aware of the concerns I brought, they could possibly use a "lie detector" to entrap someone regardless of whether they are guilty or not.

 

[Deborah_]

Is there something helpful regarding the issues I brought up? Well the doctors and counselors could address that themselves.

I would say No. It's based on a lot of misinformation.

1) CPR. The normal heart rhythm is generated within the heart itself. CPR doesn't actually affect that mechanism; it stops the heart muscle cells from acting independently in an out-of-control manner, thus allowing the normal heart rate system to regain control.

2) ECT is rarely used these days, and only when all other treatments have failed. It can have serious side -effects (convulsions and memory loss), but I've never heard of it causing cancer.

3) What does chemotherapy have to do with photons or radiation? They are completely different things.
Actually, chemotherapy does kill healthy cells as well as cancer cells - that's why it has such nasty side-effects. The dose has to be carefully calculated to get the maximum benefit for the minimum harm.

I don't understand why any of these things should cause God to judge us.

 

[Raccoon1010]

The other issue with lie detectors was that I read in one article it measured the sweat conductivity between two electrodes. I remember a long time ago about "stress" and "stress headaches". There is often muscle tension that builds up in a patient at a doctors office, and they would describe relaxation techniques to massage and relax the muscles.

So I wondered, and this is just a thought, if the designers of the "lie detectors" were measuring electrical activity, instead of or also, in the muscles and body language, facial expressions, during interrogation. Electrical activity might be electro-magnetic fields or small electrical voltages and amperage conducted in the muscles during feelings of stress. Like endangering accusations.

And can that be detected over large distances like detection employment equipment?

 

[Raccoon1010]

I would say No. It's based on a lot of misinformation.

1) CPR. The normal heart rhythm is generated within the heart itself. CPR doesn't actually affect that mechanism; it stops the heart muscle cells from acting independently in an out-of-control manner, thus allowing the normal heart rate system to regain control.

2) ECT is rarely used these days, and only when all other treatments have failed. It can have serious side -effects (convulsions and memory loss), but I've never heard of it causing cancer.

3) What does chemotherapy have to do with photons or radiation? They are completely different things.
Actually, chemotherapy does kill healthy cells as well as cancer cells - that's why it has such nasty side-effects. The dose has to be carefully calculated to get the maximum benefit for the minimum harm.

I don't understand why any of these things should cause God to judge us.

Responses to your arguments:

Statement about your arguments: I don't notice any sources for your conclusions. Are you an expert witness to those matters? Do you have any proof of being an expert witness? I posted credible sources from the internet and discussed from the point of higher learning under God's direction with around a decade of Physics study from the internet which came from different sources including University Websites.

1) "At the bottom of the brainstem, the medulla is where the brain meets the spinal cord. The medulla is essential to survival. Functions of the medulla regulate many bodily activities, including heart rhythm, breathing, blood flow, and oxygen and carbon dioxide levels. " which part of the brain controls the heart rythm - Google Search

2) "Today, as many as 100,000 people in the United States receive ECT each year to treat severe mental illnesses." Electroconvulsive Therapy | Rolling Hills Hospital | ECT

And I'm not sure about other countries. United States has perhaps better training than other countries medically in the areas I had not discussed.

3) "Cancer treatments involve different strategies and different therapies, such as chemotherapy and radiation. While traditional radiation is the most used radiation treatment option, radioisotope therapy enables treatment to target cancer cells throughout the body." Electroconvulsive Therapy | Rolling Hills Hospital | ECT

"In the treatment of cancer, radiation can be administered to the malignant tissues in several dif- ferent ways: for example, needles of radium or cobalt-60 can ... " https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/publications/magazines/bulletin/bull4-1/04105802325.pdf

If you don't understand the statement from 3) feel free to ask me questions. I have studied Physics and ionizing radiaton ideas and theories for years. I was certainly under the assumption, which appears to be correct from the two sources stated above, that chemo-therapy involved radio-isotopes.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I once had a doctor describe a problem he encountered with his brother. He said something to the effect that his brother, who had a cancerous tumor, was told he had to go thru "chemo-therapy". He indicated he got real angry and confronted the chemo prescribing doctor and told him he had better do a surgery instead and cut the tumor out. Instead of the chemo idea. Why is that? Well I covered it already.

There is useful medical practices, many in fact, I am just describing problems I encountered and warning about them to protect the doctors and patients I feel are endangering others and themselves.

We all know about penicillin perhaps and its usefulness as an agent that kills harmful bacteria in the body when infected. I'm sure there are plenty of useful areas of medicine. But I have learned thru wisdom of practice, and painful experiences, not all of medicine is safe. And that is what I am testifying today.

 

[Raccoon1010]

In some of the stranger churches and "mega" churches I have seen peculiar so called "healings". And if a person is healed it is definitely from God. God is the only entity in heaven, universe, and hell, that can heal a person miraculously (supernaturally). But I believe I have heard people that claimed to be healers say something to the effect of "In Jesus name I heal you". And that appears rather suspicious with my current understanding of man's abilities supernaturally. Sure Jesus was made man. And he succeeded in the atonement of Christ. And is God's beloved son. He certainly is part of that supernatural healing process in perhaps other ways also.

The statement I heard during the healings that was suspicious was this "I" heal you in Jesus' name. Claiming they had some power to heal. Certainly and without doubt I believe only God has grace and power to heal. And perhaps that problem is already covered by Jesus in the bible here:

"Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? ' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness! '" Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7:22-23 - New King James Version

And perhaps that is just part of the problem with the scripture statement made of "who practice lawlessness". There are many laws of God and we are told to be perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect. It is a good statement and encouragement of God's direction to say that.

"Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48 - Bible Gateway

You can attempt to be perfect as Jesus succeeded in doing. And that I believe requires God's care.

 

[Raccoon1010]

@Deborah_ I noticed that in argument (1 you mentioned "CPR". I was trained in CPR and related that designation to breathing into the mouth in adults while closing the nose with the fingers to ensure a seal when attempting to introduce oxygen from your lungs to the patient. There is the chest compressions that must be properly placed to ensure the CPR conducting person does not damage the body with improper placement. There is also the proper lung pressure, chest pressure and rate with proper sequencing that they say is effective in potentially reviving a patient. And I know that number of chest compressions and breathing had changed over time, as it was altered had heard it later. Not sure why.

But I was not talking about that process. I was discussing the shock paddles actually and how that electric shock could cause the lower brain stem of the motor control area of the brain to start emitting a revived sequence of electrical pulses that contract the heart during normal heart pumping of the blood flow.

I believe the intent of CPR and other resuscitation methods are to keep good oxygen in the brain so that brain cells don't begin to die. Which requires fresh oxygen in the lungs and blood flow to the nearby brain from the heart. Perhaps paddles are useful if the heart contracts from electric shock. I'm not sure chest compressions are as effective to cause the heart to compress and induce flow.

If it were me and I was a caring person I might attempt CPR or Paddle Oxygen pump mask cycles to keep oxygenated blood flowing thru the brain in hopes that God would perform a miracle. Worshiping the Living God and Life. But knowing God chooses when they die and he takes them away.

Perhaps another source is needed?:

"Symptoms vary depending on how long your brain goes without getting enough oxygen. Your brain cells start dying within minutes of low oxygen." What Is Cerebral Hypoxia?

 

[Raccoon1010]

I looked at the electro-convulsive "therapy" ideas.

The first area of concern for the patients future safety after the treatment was performed appeared to be the nature of the pulse waveform used. If it was a rapid change between polarities as in a AC current. That could induce time varying fields would could accelerate charge particles of the brain material. And what were the resulting eV energies of those particles? Was there any damage to tissue from that aspect?

The other area of concern was the total wattage which would be a combination of voltage and amperage and duration of that power per second watt application. Does that damage tissue.

So could the patient be released and cancer form or other non-cancerous dangerous tumors? I saw no study when I looked a while ago whether they followed the patient afterwards by checking with doctor visits. And that would require a medical record release of information I might think or some other form of legal document.

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"The ECT stimulus is either a brief pulse (0.5 to 2.0 milliseconds) or an ultra-brief pulse (less than 0.5 milliseconds) waveform. While the brief pulse is considered standard, the ultra-brief is more tolerable. [15] Electricity dose affects efficacy, the speed of response, and adverse cognitive effects." Electroconvulsive Therapy - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

"Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) remains a widely used treatment for severe depression because its antidepressant efficacy and speed of response are unsurpassed by other interventions. However, ECT carries a risk of significant cognitive side effects [1] and cardiac complications [2]." Electric field strength and focality in electroconvulsive therapy and magnetic seizure therapy: A finite element simulation study

"The model incorporated a modality-specific neural activation threshold. ECT (0.3 ms pulse width) and MST induced maximum electric field in the brain of 2.1–2.5 V/cm and 1.1–2.2 V/cm, corresponding to 6.2–7.2 times and 1.2–2.3 times the neural activation threshold, respectively." Electric field strength and focality in electroconvulsive therapy and magnetic seizure therapy: A finite element simulation study

"Our results also indicate that the conventional ECT pulse amplitude (800–900 mA) is much higher than necessary for seizure induction." Electric field strength and focality in electroconvulsive therapy and magnetic seizure therapy: A finite element simulation study

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[Raccoon1010]

2) ECT is rarely used these days, and only when all other treatments have failed. It can have serious side -effects (convulsions and memory loss), but I've never heard of it causing cancer.

I know I posted internet references that addressed that issue in the United States in post #8:

2) "Today, as many as 100,000 people in the United States receive ECT each year to treat severe mental illnesses." Electroconvulsive Therapy | Rolling Hills Hospital | ECT

Regarding that matter of 100,000 people each year, I did have concerns about the outcome of those ECT treatments. The community that addressed the reason they were using that treatment stated that it they had "immediate" desired results controlling problematic depression in patients. I will re-quote my source from post #12:

"Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) remains a widely used treatment for severe depression because its antidepressant efficacy and speed of response are unsurpassed by other interventions. However, ECT carries a risk of significant cognitive side effects [1] and cardiac complications [2]." Electric field strength and focality in electroconvulsive therapy and magnetic seizure therapy: A finite element simulation study

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They appear to know there are risks associated with that treatment and perhaps have determined it was necessary. They would have to testify openly of why they decided it was a necessary risk and used that method of treatment.

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For the readers: Sure it may be only 100,000 patients a year in the USA, what about other countries? But that does not distract from the suffering the patient is already enduring from the mental illnesses. And I wonder about people that don't have enough empathy to care about those people to look into the outcomes and suffering they endure. I think it is a sensitive subject and should be addressed with compassion towards the mentally ill.

 

[Raccoon1010]

In the previous post it stated the following source statement:

"However, ECT carries a risk of significant cognitive side effects [1] and cardiac complications [2]. " Electric field strength and focality in electroconvulsive therapy and magnetic seizure therapy: A finite element simulation study

And that didn't sound encouraging that some people might have died during the treatment.

The source is [2], which is:

"2. Nuttall GA, Bowersox MR, Douglass SB, McDonald J, Rasmussen LJ, Decker PA, Oliver WC, Jr, Rasmussen KG. Morbidity and mortality in the use of electroconvulsive therapy. J ECT. 2004;20:237–41. [PubMed] [Google Scholar] [Ref list]"

The term "Morbidity and mortality in the use of electroconvulsive therapy" is concerning that the conducting members might have killed people and perhaps even known it happened before. That was concerning if that were true.

I had a statement from the now deceased man named "Larry" who told me he was given a choice between medicine or ECT. And no other option which sounded forced into two options beyond his God given right to choose. He chose ECT and denied the offer to receive medicine from the doctor. That was here in Washington state. He survived and within about a year died of a brain tumor, and that was the cause of death I was told from relatives of him.

But tumors are one issue, and apparently there was a more pressing concern, which was "Morbidity and mortality in the use of electroconvulsive therapy".

I believe "killing a patient" requires the patient's consent, if a procedure is used that is known to be potentially lethal. If that is the outcome for the patient. I believe they would be informed of risks, including death. And if it was "death" they certainly would have more options and not forced into two options of medicine or ECT. And that testimony, from the staff involved, I did not see on the internet. And perhaps there's a reason why? But it was suspicious. And I'm not sure it wasn't criminal conduct.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I know I had a counselor that required for me to answer questions I felt I didn't want to disclose and see said I had no right to not answer if I wanted to see the doctor and receive medication. The correct procedure would be to have the doctor assess whether he thought counseling would benefit my treatment. Not counselors deciding whether I could see a doctor. That didn't appear to be lawful conduct by "Sunrise Services" here in Washington State. (see post #3)

Reminds me of the right to refuse care. I'm not sure "Larry", now deceased from the brain tumor, wanted treatment in the first case.

The counselor said she would refuse care and I could no longer see her or the doctor. It was an unrelated question to these issues and confused me at the time.

It would appear to me if the testimony of "Larry" was correct, that the doctors in "Washington State" had more rights than the patients regarding the issues I addressed. And that concerned me as well.

 

[Deborah_]

Statement about your arguments: I don't notice any sources for your conclusions. Are you an expert witness to those matters? Do you have any proof of being an expert witness?

I am a doctor, and I have also received various cancer treatments, including chemotherapy and radiotherapy.

Functions of the medulla regulate many bodily activities, including heart rhythm,

The heart can operate independently of the medulla as well.

"Cancer treatments involve different strategies and different therapies, such as chemotherapy and radiation. While traditional radiation is the most used radiation treatment option, radioisotope therapy enables treatment to target cancer cells throughout the body." Electroconvulsive Therapy | Rolling Hills Hospital | ECT

"In the treatment of cancer, radiation can be administered to the malignant tissues in several dif- ferent ways: for example, needles of radium or cobalt-60 can ... " https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/publications/magazines/bulletin/bull4-1/04105802325.pdf

Radio-isotopes are a form of radiotherapy, not chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is treatment with drugs, not radiation.

But I was not talking about that process. I was discussing the shock paddles actually and how that electric shock could cause the lower brain stem of the motor control area of the brain to start emitting a revived sequence of electrical pulses that contract the heart during normal heart pumping of the blood flow.

I believe the intent of CPR and other resuscitation methods are to keep good oxygen in the brain so that brain cells don't begin to die. Which requires fresh oxygen in the lungs and blood flow to the nearby brain from the heart. Perhaps paddles are useful if the heart contracts from electric shock. I'm not sure chest compressions are as effective to cause the heart to compress and induce flow.

Sorry - it was late at night over here and I used the term CPR wrongly. I was talking about defibrillation, using electric shock. You are correct: the aim of manual CPR is to keep oxygenated blood flowing until the normal heartbeat can be re-started. One of the causes of cardiac arrest is "ventricular fibrillation" in which the heart muscle cells contract independently of one another (this means that the heart stops acting as a pump). The electric shock puts a stop to this chaotic behaviour and allows the normal heart control mechanism (which is located in the heart itself, not in the medulla of the brain) to reset and regain control.

I once had a doctor describe a problem he encountered with his brother. He said something to the effect that his brother, who had a cancerous tumor, was told he had to go thru "chemo-therapy". He indicated he got real angry and confronted the chemo prescribing doctor and told him he had better do a surgery instead and cut the tumor out. Instead of the chemo idea. Why is that?

Surgery for cancer is only curative if the cancer hasn't spread. If it has spread (which was the case with mine), then you need chemotherapy as well. But it's impossible to know for certain that a tumour hasn't spread because our scans and other tests aren't sensitive enough to detect just a handful of cancer cells. So it's often a case of both/and, not either/or. Which course of action is best depends on so many variables, including the type of cancer and its location. Not being a cancer expert and not knowing the details of the case, I can't say which doctor was right - or it could have been a "grey area" when either course of action would be reasonable.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I am a doctor, and I have also received various cancer treatments, including chemotherapy and radiotherapy.

I am sorry for you that you had cancer and endured the Chemotherapy practiced medicine. I know you indicated you had received "various" treatments for cancer including "chemo-therapy" and "radio therapy". And that must have been a trial for you to endure. God is Almighty to the salvation and resurrection of the children of God into receiving eternal life. What a glorious God he is! I pray that he heals you entirely!

Quote from @Deborah_ : "Radio-isotopes are a form of radiotherapy, not chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is treatment with drugs, not radiation."

I have been investigation the two types of cancer causing agents claimed by scientists. I have concluded along the lines of radiation that it is possible thru the photo-electric effect that if enough momentum energy exists for an impacting photon, then it might knock out DNA molecules. I had calculated the energy that would be and found the minimum electromagnetic spectrum energy. Along the lines of Chemical energy which is in the area of Chemistry and Physics, I have not run the calculations to determine which chemicals might be strong enough to bind or rip out DNA molecules to damage that sensitive information used in the life cycle of cellular duplication.

I had to first investigate the agents responsible for cancer to also apply that knowledge to the area of cancer treatments to investigate whether they were safe. I don't believe all of the treatments are safe that doctors practice on a patient and have experienced myself the many tramautic and painful potentials personally if not informed of risks and knowledgable on the subjects. So I will continue to investigate medical practices myself.

Strong Chemical Molecules we all know break down into powerful reactive forms like strong Acids. Chemistry is an area of my studies as well as the physics described above for the photo-electric effect. And strong is a term for concentration that is dangerous to human contact. I might believe that molecules of acids could rip molecules out of DNA or bind with them in the double helix structure. And that would certainly alter the God created life form of the cell into un-natural cancerous or non-cancerous forms.

Now if the scientists that have came up with specific radiation types and frequencies and also strong specific chemical molecule types that only destroy cancerous tissue and not healthy tissue that would be important for people to be made aware of. I know in my various studies that scientific breakthru's can always be used in both good and evil ways. But I would not encourage people to naivly conclude that radiation and chemical molecules could target only cancerous cells and not thereby damage healthy cells and am concerned regarding whether the damage might create more cancerous tissue.

Quote from @Deborah_ : "Sorry - it was late at night over here and I used the term CPR wrongly. I was talking about defibrillation, using electric shock. You are correct: the aim of manual CPR is to keep oxygenated blood flowing until the normal heartbeat can be re-started. One of the causes of cardiac arrest is "ventricular fibrillation" in which the heart muscle cells contract independently of one another (this means that the heart stops acting as a pump). The electric shock puts a stop to this chaotic behavior and allows the normal heart control mechanism (which is located in the heart itself, not in the medulla of the brain) to reset and regain control."

Interesting, I'm now considering two possibilities when approaching an unconscious patient. The first is an out of control heart that is not sufficiently pumping blood and oxygen to the brain and other essential organs. That is in my understanding also an immediate threat to the life of the patient. The other is a heart that simply is dormant without any movement.

I have already addressed the "Pace Maker" like nature of the lower back brain stem and how it creates an electrical rhythm for the heart to contract which then relaxes and probably aided to expand with blood pressure and flow. I was under the assumption that they place the Pace Makers around the heart and directly connect to it to the heart to create and artificial electrical shock rythm. I'm sure the process is more involved than that. And I certainly will look into the matter you brought up, regarding the heart having its own rythm. I will not deny that idea as I know God is great in giving life to his children. The reason for the article was to direct people towards God for all glory and power regarding the life he gives us, which I believe in my case has been a strong heart during times of body stress and I recieved a witness from God that he was providing from his powerful heart sustaining my heart above what it was created with. And I was very happy he was doing that and felt protected and safe during difficult times.

 

[Raccoon1010]

@Deborah_ it was a little strange the problem with quoting your post, I couldn't use the multiple quote method. The interface providing me was altering over time differently. I suspect hacking was performed by criminals which may have followed my other sensitive material threads recently made in other forum areas. Sorry for the inconvenience they caused during our discussion, I will attempt to secure that post information of yours as originally stated here:

I am a doctor, and I have also received various cancer treatments, including chemotherapy and radiotherapy.


The heart can operate independently of the medulla as well.


Radio-isotopes are a form of radiotherapy, not chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is treatment with drugs, not radiation.


Sorry - it was late at night over here and I used the term CPR wrongly. I was talking about defibrillation, using electric shock. You are correct: the aim of manual CPR is to keep oxygenated blood flowing until the normal heartbeat can be re-started. One of the causes of cardiac arrest is "ventricular fibrillation" in which the heart muscle cells contract independently of one another (this means that the heart stops acting as a pump). The electric shock puts a stop to this chaotic behaviour and allows the normal heart control mechanism (which is located in the heart itself, not in the medulla of the brain) to reset and regain control.


Surgery for cancer is only curative if the cancer hasn't spread. If it has spread (which was the case with mine), then you need chemotherapy as well. But it's impossible to know for certain that a tumour hasn't spread because our scans and other tests aren't sensitive enough to detect just a handful of cancer cells. So it's often a case of both/and, not either/or. Which course of action is best depends on so many variables, including the type of cancer and its location. Not being a cancer expert and not knowing the details of the case, I can't say which doctor was right - or it could have been a "grey area" when either course of action would be reasonable.

 

[Raccoon1010]

The investigation of cancer treatments lead me to wonder if there are certain types of radiation wavelengths that kill or damage cancer cells and not healthy cells, or is there some compromise in that area of percentage of cancer to healthy damage or death of cells. And also are there strong molecules used in treatments that have that same nature. I did my simple internet level search. The following I thought stood out but didn't have time to do an extensive search:

Scientists Discover New Molecule That Kills Hard-to-Treat Cancers

"The ERX-41 compound did not kill healthy cells, but it wiped out tumor cells regardless of whether the cancer cells had estrogen receptors," ...

I'm still not sure radiation does not damage healthy tissue. I found the following and have little time this morning to investigate:

Targeted Light Therapy Destroys Cancer Cells

"The 3 major types of cancer therapy — surgery, radiation and chemotherapy — effectively destroy cancerous tissues, but tend to damage normal tissue as well. Researchers have long sought therapies that can zero in on tumor cells and leave neighboring healthy cells intact. One targeted technique, available for over a decade, is called monoclonal antibody (mAb) therapy. These antibodies destroy cancer cells by latching onto specific proteins on the cell surface. Researchers can also attach a deadly payload for mAbs to carry to target cells. Over 25 therapeutic mAbs have been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to date. But current mAb therapies often require repeated doses at levels that can cause serious side effects."

 

[Raccoon1010]

"Immunotherapy involves harnessing the power of the body's immune system to fight against cancer cells. Researchers in the College of Engineering have found a way to revamp a treatment procedure into a groundbreaking practice." Researchers develop a new way to safely boost immune cells to fight cancer

Is Immunotherapy currently being used in the USA?:

"Immunotherapies have been approved in the United States and elsewhere to treat a variety of cancers and are prescribed to patients by oncologists." What Is Immunotherapy? | Cancer Research Institute