Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from?

[St. SteVen]

What do you mean when you said, The new should not contradict the old?

And out of curiosity, who told you that? Did the Spirit tell you this?

I think the scriptures still have value. And nothing the Spirit tells me contradicts what we already have. (within reason)

There are certainly issues with the Bible. But...

At this point I have zero confidence in what you refuse to even inform us about.

If the Spirit wants me to know, then I am listening.

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[One 2 question]

I think the scriptures still have value. And nothing the Spirit tells me contradicts what we already have. (within reason)

There are certainly issues with the Bible. But...

At this point I have zero confidence in what you refuse to even inform us about.

If the Spirit wants me to know, then I am listening.

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I'm glad you are listening too.

Again, isn't it great to hear the Spirit communicate with our spirit by various means, without limits.

This revelation I mentioned earlier may not be revealed to you by the Spirit. And that's OK isn't it? You will receive things that I just won't be able to comprehend in this life. And that's great. For truth is truth. It belongs to God and I don't think He's under any obligation to have to share it with me, you or anyone for that matter. I'm just glad He chooses to reveal Himself to us from time to time.

 

[Stumpmaster]

While engaging with Satan, He reached behind Him and produced a throne to His left. This prodigal angel was shown mercy and grace of the highest order.

Freemason?

 

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Freemason?

Sorry, not sure of your response. Maybe it was posted on the wrong thread?

 

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I think the scriptures still have value. And nothing the Spirit tells me contradicts what we already have. (within reason)

Yes, scriptures are of value. Especially at the time and in the context of when the Creators communicated them. And they can be of benefit to us today.

I guess to me and others, we appreciate when the Spirit communicates to us in our time and context.

I do find a tendency for our brothers and sisters in Jesus to feel a need to defend the bible while attacking, dismissing, discrediting revelation that are not recorded in the books of the bible.

Can you shed any light on this my friend. What's been your experience?

 

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At this point I have zero confidence in what you refuse to even inform us about.

Sorry, I thought I posted the revelation received of the reconciliation of all that were in the lake of fire to their Creators.

I'm happy to post it again and if you have any questions or want more details I'm more than happy to share them too.

 

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What do you mean when you said, The new should not contradict the old?

And out of curiosity, who told you that? Did the Spirit tell you this?

Also, St Steven I hope this didn't come across as an attack. It was a genuine question. Like you, I'm practising hearing the Spirit communicate to me through others as well as directly.

Together, the Spirit and I are sifting out man's wisdom and have it replaced with God's manifold wisdom. It is an ongoing process hey.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Sorry, not sure of your response. Maybe it was posted on the wrong thread?

It wasn't.

 

[St. SteVen]

Sorry, I thought I posted the revelation received of the reconciliation of all that were in the lake of fire to their Creators.

I'm happy to post it again and if you have any questions or want more details I'm more than happy to share them too.

Please do. I apologize that I overlooked it somehow. Thanks.

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
How have you confirmed that your views are valid?
The new should not contradict the old.
Matthew 13:52 NIV
He said to them, “Therefore every teacher of the law who has become
a disciple in the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings
out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.”

What do you mean when you said, The new should not contradict the old?

And out of curiosity, who told you that? Did the Spirit tell you this?

I see revelation from the Spirit as a continuum. The old has value and the new has value. But they shouldn't contradict in general.
The old should confirm the new. Precept upon precept.

Isaiah 28:10 KJV
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

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St. SteVen said:
How have you confirmed that your views are valid?
The new should not contradict the old.
Matthew 13:52 NIV
He said to them, “Therefore every teacher of the law who has become
a disciple in the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings
out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.”

I see revelation from the Spirit as a continuum. The old has value and the new has value. But they shouldn't contradict in general.
The old should confirm the new. Precept upon precept.

Isaiah 28:10 KJV
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

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People have misunderstood me and think that I am trying to totally get rid of what God has previously revealed to mankind and replacing it with the new revelations since the biblical canon was finally closed.

I appreciate and value all that God has, is and will continue to reveal to His creation. I really appreciate the ongoing revelations the Spirit of Christ passes on to me personally, and praise Them for blessing others with new revelations.

 

[St. SteVen]

People have misunderstood me and think that I am trying to totally get rid of what God has previously revealed to mankind and replacing it with the new revelations since the biblical canon was finally closed.

I appreciate and value all that God has, is and will continue to reveal to His creation. I really appreciate the ongoing revelations the Spirit of Christ passes on to me personally, and praise Them for blessing others with new revelations.

Thanks for your reply. That is helpful.

I do want to discuss your use of the term "closed canon". (not a criticism necessarily)

The term "closed canon" puts a cap on divine revelation. Which is contradictory to what you believe.
If the biblical canon is closed, there is no place for extrabiblical revelation.

As I understand it the "closed canon" is a term/idea spawned by Cessationism, which is contradictory to Continuationism.
Please see my topic on the subject and feel free to weigh in on it there. Thanks.

Here's the link.

Cessationism versus Continuationism - The fallacy of "Signs Gifts".

Cessationism claims that the miracle gifts of the Holy Spirit were signs to authenticate the early church. And consequently the miracle gifts disappeared when the Apostles did. Continuationism says that all the gifts were for the church and that all the gifts of the Holy Spirit are still...

www.christianityboard.com

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Thanks for your reply. That is helpful.

I do want to discuss your use of the term "closed canon". (not a criticism necessarily)

The term "closed canon" puts a cap on divine revelation. Which is contradictory to what you believe.
If the biblical canon is closed, there is no place for extrabiblical revelation.

As I understand it the "closed canon" is a term/idea spawned by Cessationism, which is contradictory to Continuationism.
Please see my topic on the subject and feel free to weigh in on it there. Thanks.

Here's the link.

Cessationism versus Continuationism - The fallacy of "Signs Gifts".

Cessationism claims that the miracle gifts of the Holy Spirit were signs to authenticate the early church. And consequently the miracle gifts disappeared when the Apostles did. Continuationism says that all the gifts were for the church and that all the gifts of the Holy Spirit are still...

www.christianityboard.com

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Sure. I am very opposed to the idea that the revelation of our Creators story has stopped. In another post I said that I have appreciated being led by the Spirit of Truth beyond the closed canon.

I was raised a cessationalist but always questioned it and never believed it. I put no restraints on the Spirit Who was sent to build, empower and enable the church to fulfil the Creators eternal purpose of revealing Their manifold wisdom to the audience in the unseen realm.

 

[St. SteVen]

Sure. I am very opposed to the idea that the revelation of our Creators story has stopped. In another post I said that I have appreciated being led by the Spirit of Truth beyond the closed canon.

Sigh.
Why do you side with Cessationists by using the term "closed canon"? Who closed the canon? God or humankind?

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[Stumpmaster]

The term "closed canon" puts a cap on divine revelation.

Not to me it doesn't. It just means enough God-breathed communication is captured in written form by which to compare all things.

2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
The term "closed canon" puts a cap on divine revelation.

Not to me it doesn't. It just means enough God-breathed communication is captured in written form by which to compare all things.

2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

How can you say it doesn't put a cap on divine revelation? If you say that the Bible is enough, that is what you are concluding.

So, whether you agree with extrabiblical revelation or not, claiming the Bible is enough puts a cap on divine revelation. Right? Or is that not your claim? Does God speak to you personally? Or are you not on speaking terms? - LOL

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[Stumpmaster]

St. SteVen said:
The term "closed canon" puts a cap on divine revelation.

How can you say it doesn't put a cap on divine revelation? If you say that the Bible is enough, that is what you are concluding.

So, whether you agree with extrabiblical revelation or not, claiming the Bible is enough puts a cap on divine revelation. Right? Or is that not your claim? Does God speak to you personally? Or are you not on speaking terms? - LOL

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I pray about everything and regularly receive Divine Revelation, particularly about how to solve problems, even ones like Maria.

 

[Cassandra]

I'm glad you are listening too.

Again, isn't it great to hear the Spirit communicate with our spirit by various means, without limits.

This revelation I mentioned earlier may not be revealed to you by the Spirit. And that's OK isn't it? You will receive things that I just won't be able to comprehend in this life. And that's great. For truth is truth. It belongs to God and I don't think He's under any obligation to have to share it with me, you or anyone for that matter. I'm just glad He chooses to reveal Himself to us from time to time.

Sorry, but haven't come across it yet, but who are your Creators?

Also, I don't think Satan is back in God's good graces according to scripture. We are supposed to gauge things according to what the Bible says. Are you sure it is God speaking to you? Eze 28

 

[St. SteVen]

I pray about everything and regularly receive Divine Revelation, particularly about how to solve problems,

That's commendable. How do you balance divine revelation (extrabiblical input) with the term "closed canon"?

As I understand it, the term "closed canon" means that God is done speaking to us. As if to say, "We have the Bible now, new divine revelation has ended."

even ones like Maria.

Good one. - LOL
I had think about that for a moment. It's 5:21 AM and I am still working on my first cup of coffee.

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[St. SteVen]

We are supposed to gauge things according to what the Bible says. Are you sure it is God speaking to you?

Good point. Take captive every thought...

2 Corinthians 10:5 NIV
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God,
and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

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