Leaders That Don't Support Good Works or Overcoming Sin

[Johann]

Here is a simple example .
What has been my focus . miracles signs and wonders
OR the preaching of JESUS CHRIST and HIM crucified .
And watch out johann , there is a movement that has even found its way into the reformed camp .
Its now becoming how can we tone down the message
and the focus is more on appeasment .
I dont think JESUS worried too much about WHAT to say or HOW to appraoch a man .
Specially when i seen the things HE said . EVEN to his own desciples .
WHEN They too had come to him and said LORD your speech OFFENED THEM .
I Dont seem to remember JESUS saying , man thanks for that reminder i need to find a way , a different way
to approach them . HE said LEAVE EM BE , every plant my Father has not planted
WILL INDEED be rooted up .
Man always THINKS he might have a better way to appraoch , to witness , to speak to man .
I SAY , LET THE SPIRIT LEAD and WORRY NOT about what to say or HOW can i perhaps make people see my point better .
I mean , SPEAK TRUTH , do as the SPIRIT bids , learn the biblical pattern for all things
and DONT LET IT GO at all . YOU HOLD to that PATTERN and watch out for men .
MEN always think they have a better way to do something , that might perhaps add numbers to the church
or might perhaps not run off people .
NO SIR . SPEAK THE TRUTH , IF it offends them , THEN that be on them .
YOU SEe i know something that many have forgotten .
MAN , not you , not me , not any CAN give the increase .
BUT what we can do IS SPEAK TRUTH and GOD adds who HE WILLS and WHOEVER rejects THATS ON THEM .

Third time, maybe 5x I have mentioned that what I believe, cessationism of the signs, wonders and miracles is NOT salvivic since we don't have pseudo prophets and Apostles anymore--does it mean I don't believe God in Christ Jesus CAN perform a miracle? Of course He can and everyday IS a miracle.

And now you have a problem with the Reformers? Toning down the message of the cross and of the risen Jesus Christ?

Though I am in agreement with most of what you are saying I am more in agreement in what stands written, in the Scriptures, sealed with the Holy Spirit, and hopefully honoring Him who needs to be eulogized Olam Olam!

The Spirit will show me where I veer off the beaten path and put me right back ON it. The more people here ranting and raving against the Reformers the more I will defend them and their doctrines and take note, I don't hold to TULIP.


1. 1 John 5:9
"If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son."

2. John 5:34
"Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved."

3. John 5:39-44
"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. I do not receive honor from men. But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?"

4. John 8:17-18
"It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me."

5. Romans 3:4
"Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: 'That You may be justified in Your words, and may overcome when You are judged.'"

6. 1 Corinthians 2:5
"That your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God."

7. Galatians 1:10
"For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ."

8. 1 Thessalonians 2:13
"For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe."

9. John 3:31-34
"He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony. He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure."

10. John 12:43
"For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God."

These references collectively underscore the principle that divine testimony and revelation hold supreme authority and truth, surpassing human wisdom and testimony. Believers are encouraged to prioritize and accept God's testimony as the ultimate truth.

I am tired now, spiritual warfare is real and almost tangible. I am being misrepresented here.
J.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm sorry to not be able to parse through and process all your lengthy posts brother. Short on time today as well. But no I haven't forgotten that some gifts are mentioned in scripture....just saying it is not an exhaustive list.

beware of epi . I notice he seems to constantly try and reason with you .
Take no heed to that other gospel they now sell my dear sister .

 

[amigo de christo]

Third time, maybe 5x I have mentioned that what I believe, cessationism of the signs, wonders and miracles is NOT salvivic since we don't have pseudo prophets and Apostles anymore--does it mean I don't believe God in Christ Jesus CAN perform a miracle? Of course He can and everyday IS a miracle.

And now you have a problem with the Reformers? Toning down the message of the cross and of the risen Jesus Christ?

Though I am in agreement with most of what you are saying I am more in agreement in what stands written, in the Scriptures, sealed with the Holy Spirit, and hopefully honoring Him who needs to be eulogized Olam Olam!

The Spirit will show me where I veer off the beaten path and put me right back ON it. The more people here ranting and raving against the Reformers the more I will defend them and their doctrines and take note, I don't hold to TULIP.


1. 1 John 5:9
"If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son."

2. John 5:34
"Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved."

3. John 5:39-44
"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. I do not receive honor from men. But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?"

4. John 8:17-18
"It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me."

5. Romans 3:4
"Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: 'That You may be justified in Your words, and may overcome when You are judged.'"

6. 1 Corinthians 2:5
"That your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God."

7. Galatians 1:10
"For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ."

8. 1 Thessalonians 2:13
"For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe."

9. John 3:31-34
"He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony. He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure."

10. John 12:43
"For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God."

These references collectively underscore the principle that divine testimony and revelation hold supreme authority and truth, surpassing human wisdom and testimony. Believers are encouraged to prioritize and accept God's testimony as the ultimate truth.

I am tired now, spiritual warfare is real and almost tangible. I am being misrepresented here.
J.

Soon enough he will wear many out my friend . and many will embrace
the idea that its far better to just unify and get along . As for this lamb , I wont be heeding that solution .
and i pray to GOD none do . Doctrine matters .
IF our love , our unity , our fellowship DOES NOT HONOR GOD and CHRIST above all
WHICH means HIS WORDS TOO , then its no fellowship we better ever desire .
ALWAYS remember that . REMEMBER THIS . ANY love that omits THINGS GOD said
and just overlooks the sins and errors of the peoples , and rather focuses on the lets get along
DISHONORS GOD and puts humanity first . And i say this for a good reason my friend .
FOLKS are wearing out now . I am seeing it . But you might notice i keep on barking on like a dog
who treed its first coon . cause when our focus is BIBLICAL TRUTH and that GOD
the FIRE just keeps a burning for THE ONE TRUE GOD and HE giveth us the strength , the hope , to endure
no matter what . WE must march on my friend .
March on in the LORD . Soon the many will have worn down
and out and just come to table of so called love for unity and heed the solution
it believes is love and is of GOD and is peace and harmony . ONLY YEAH IT AINT COMING FROM GOD .
YOU always remember that . IT IS IN the reformed camp too . Just cause its in them
dont mean EVERY singel one has yet been infected or affected by it . BUt it is wihthin them too .
SOON the realm will have merged
SOON those who did merge will see folks like me , AS HATERS , as evil doers who do not love , who do not know love
That is a fact my friend . and its moving in faster and faster . BIBLE time . i wish to GOD everyone
had just started over with just that book and learned of that GOD .

 

[Johann]

Soon enough he will wear many out my friend . and many will embrace
the idea that its far better to just unify and get along . As for this lamb , I wont be heeding that solution .
and i pray to GOD none do . Doctrine matters .
IF our love , our unity , our fellowship DOES NOT HONOR GOD and CHRIST above all
WHICH means HIS WORDS TOO , then its no fellowship we better ever desire .
ALWAYS remember that . REMEMBER THIS . ANY love that omits THINGS GOD said
and just overlooks the sins and errors of the peoples , and rather focuses on the lets get along
DISHONORS GOD and puts humanity first . And i say this for a good reason my friend .
FOLKS are wearing out now . I am seeing it . But you might notice i keep on barking on like a dog
who treed its first coon . cause when our focus is BIBLICAL TRUTH and that GOD
the FIRE just keeps a burning for THE ONE TRUE GOD and HE giveth us the strength , the hope , to endure
no matter what . WE must march on my friend .
March on in the LORD . Soon the many will have worn down
and out and just come to table of so called love for unity and heed the solution
it believes is love and is of GOD and is peace and harmony . ONLY YEAH IT AINT COMING FROM GOD .
YOU always remember that . IT IS IN the reformed camp too . Just cause its in them
dont mean EVERY singel one has yet been infected or affected by it . BUt it is wihthin them too .
SOON the realm will have merged
SOON those who did merge will see folks like me , AS HATERS , as evil doers who do not love , who do not know love
That is a fact my friend . and its moving in faster and faster . BIBLE time . i wish to GOD everyone
had just started over with just that book and learned of that GOD .

What do you think I'm doing? Using commentaries? Even if I do, it is to help me better to grasp the Scriptures as I wrestle WITH the Scriptures daily relying on the Holy Spirit to make it applicable in MY life and hopefully edify others Amigo.
Can two walk together lest they agree?
One thing I have learned is the more I post Scripture the more I memorize it.

 

[amigo de christo]

What do you think I'm doing? Using commentaries? Even if I do, it is to help me better to grasp the Scriptures as I wrestle WITH the Scriptures daily relying on the Holy Spirit to make it applicable in MY life and hopefully edify others Amigo.
Can two walk together lest they agree?
One thing I have learned is the more I post Scripture the more I memorize it.

Nothing can stop it my friend .
what was released in the days of the apostels , the mystery of inquity
that which is of anti christ has blown up huge in these latters hours my friend .
The whore who rides the beast has and will merge all religoins
through her call of love , of peace and harmony , of unity and of diversity and inclusivity for all .
EVERYTHING , EVERYONE not in the lambs book of life will worship the beast , NO expectoins .
ONLY the lambs will not conform , only the lambs will reisist the lie and do so unto even death .
The blood has spilled through all ages
and the blood spilled by the true church in this last and final hour
will be by far the bloodiest of all . Great tribulation cometh
and it cometh under and through the guise of love , tolerance , peace unity , peace and haromony
diversity and incluisivity . But what will they DO when once the GOD RISES TO
and by CHRIST TREADS the winepress of the great wrath of GOD all mighty upon them all .
ALL who loved a lie . All who rejected the love of the truth whereby they could have been saved
and perhaps thought they could pick up their own cross , or believe whatever religoin etc .
Folks often forget EVEN WORDS matter . Not only shall one be judged
by his works but also by his words . FOR by thy words thou shalt be justied and by thy words thou shalt be condmened .
I SHUN the false all inclusive dung junk fake love lie to hades . ITS JESUS CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED FOR ME my friend .

 

[Lizbeth]

I strongly support limiting ourselves to Biblical terminology as much as possible to guard against "drift".

Much love!

Amen....and let that be what forms our thinking.

 

[Johann]

Nothing can stop it my friend .
what was released in the days of the apostels , the mystery of inquity
that which is of anti christ has blown up huge in these latters hours my friend .
The whore who rides the beast has and will merge all religoins
through her call of love , of peace and harmony , of unity and of diversity and inclusivity for all .
EVERYTHING , EVERYONE not in the lambs book of life will worship the beast , NO expectoins .
ONLY the lambs will not conform , only the lambs will reisist the lie and do so unto even death .
The blood has spilled through all ages
and the blood spilled by the true church in this last and final hour
will be by far the bloodiest of all . Great tribulation cometh
and it cometh under and through the guise of love , tolerance , peace unity , peace and haromony
diversity and incluisivity . But what will they DO when once the GOD RISES TO
and by CHRIST TREADS the winepress of the great wrath of GOD all mighty upon them all .
ALL who loved a lie . All who rejected the love of the truth whereby they could have been saved
and perhaps thought they could pick up their own cross , or believe whatever religoin etc .
Folks often forget EVEN WORDS matter . Not only shall one be judged
by his works but also by his words . FOR by thy words thou shalt be justied and by thy words thou shalt be condmened .
I SHUN the false all inclusive dung junk fake love lie to hades . ITS JESUS CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED FOR ME my friend .

1. John 14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."

The Holy Spirit is described as a teacher who will remind believers of Jesus' teachings.
2. John 16:13
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."

The Holy Spirit guides believers into all truth and reveals future things.
3. 1 Corinthians 2:12-14
"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

The Holy Spirit enables believers to understand and discern spiritual truths.
4. Romans 8:14
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God."

Believers are led by the Holy Spirit, signifying their identity as God's children.
5. Galatians 5:16-18
"I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

Walking in the Spirit helps believers overcome the desires of the flesh.
6. Galatians 5:22-23
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law."

The Holy Spirit produces godly character and virtues in believers' lives.
7. Ephesians 5:18
"And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit."

Believers are encouraged to be filled with the Holy Spirit, contrasting it with being controlled by external substances.
8. 1 John 2:27
"But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him."

The anointing of the Holy Spirit teaches believers and helps them abide in Christ.
9. Acts 1:8
"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."

The Holy Spirit empowers believers to be effective witnesses for Christ.
10. Romans 8:26-27
"Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

The Holy Spirit helps believers in their weaknesses and intercedes for them according to God's will.
Conclusion
These scriptures collectively highlight the essential role of the Holy Spirit in teaching, guiding, empowering, and interceding for believers. By relying on the Holy Spirit, believers can understand scripture more deeply, live godly lives, and fulfill their calling in Christ.

 

[Lizbeth]

In what context is it written "the wind bloweth where it will?"

Greek Text
The Greek text for John 3:8 is:

“Ἡ ἀνεμος ὅπου θέλει πνέει, καὶ τὴν φωνὴν αὐτῆς ἀκούεις, ἀλλὰ οὐκ οἶδας πόθεν ἔρχεται καὶ ποῦ ὑπάγει· οὕτως ἔστιν πᾶς ὁ γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ Πνεύματος.”

Lexical and Grammatical Analysis
Ἡ ἀνεμος (Hē anemos):

Ἡ (hē) is the definite article "the."
ἀνεμος (anemos) means "wind." In Greek, this term can also mean "breath" or "spirit," depending on the context.
ὅπου θέλει (hopou thelei):

ὅπου (hopou) means "wherever" or "where."
θέλει (thelei) is a form of the verb θέλω (thelō), which means "to wish" or "to will." Thus, θέλει means "wishes" or "wants."
πνέει (pneēi):

The verb πνέω (pneō) means "to blow" or "to breathe." In this context, πνέει means "blows."
καὶ τὴν φωνὴν αὐτῆς (kai tēn phōnēn autēs):

καὶ (kai) means "and."
τὴν φωνὴν (tēn phōnēn) means "the sound" or "voice."
αὐτῆς (autēs) is a possessive pronoun meaning "of it" or "its."
ἀκούεις (akouēs):

The verb ἀκούω (akouō) means "to hear." ἀκούεις (akouēs) means "you hear."
ἀλλὰ οὐκ οἶδας (alla ouk oidas):

ἀλλὰ (alla) means "but."
οὐκ (ouk) means "not."
οἶδας (oidas) is the perfect tense of οἶδα (oida), meaning "to know" or "to understand." Thus, οἶδας means "you know."
πόθεν ἔρχεται καὶ ποῦ ὑπάγει (pothen erchetai kai pou hypagei):

πόθεν (pothen) means "from where" or "whence."
ἔρχεται (erchetai) is the present tense of ἔρχομαι (erchomai), meaning "comes."
καὶ (kai) means "and."
ποῦ (pou) means "where."
ὑπάγει (hypagei) is the present tense of ὑπάγω (hypagō), meaning "goes" or "leaves."
οὕτως ἔστιν (houtōs estin):

οὕτως (houtōs) means "so" or "in this way."
ἔστιν (estin) is the present tense of εἰμί (eimi), meaning "is."
πᾶς ὁ γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ Πνεύματος (pas ho gegennēmenos ek tou Pneumatos):

πᾶς (pas) means "every" or "all."
ὁ (ho) is the definite article "the."
γεγεννημένος (gegennēmenos) is the perfect participle of γεννάω (gennāō), meaning "born" or "begotten."
ἐκ (ek) means "from" or "out of."
τοῦ Πνεύματος (tou Pneumatos) means "the Spirit" (where Πνεῦμα (Pneuma) means "spirit" or "wind").
Context and Interpretation
1. The Immediate Context
John 3:8 occurs in the context of Jesus’ conversation with Nicodemus, a Pharisee and member of the Jewish ruling council. Jesus is explaining the concept of being "born again" or "born from above" (John 3:3-7). The reference to the wind in John 3:8 serves as a metaphor to illustrate the nature of the new birth through the Holy Spirit.

2. Theological Implications
Freedom of the Spirit: Just as the wind blows freely and is unpredictable, so is the work of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit operates in ways that are beyond human control or comprehension. This emphasizes the sovereignty and unpredictability of God's work in the spiritual realm.

Mystery of Spiritual Regeneration: The comparison underscores the mystery surrounding spiritual regeneration. Just as one cannot fully grasp the origins or destination of the wind, so too is the process of being born of the Spirit mysterious and beyond human understanding.

Divine Sovereignty: The passage reflects the divine sovereignty in the work of salvation. The Holy Spirit acts according to God’s will, and believers are not in control of or fully aware of how the Spirit moves and works in people’s lives.

The Nature of the New Birth: Jesus uses this analogy to help Nicodemus understand that the new birth is not a physical rebirth but a spiritual one, initiated and controlled by the Holy Spirit.


John 3:8 uses the metaphor of the wind to describe the nature of spiritual regeneration and the work of the Holy Spirit. The Greek text highlights the contrast between the unpredictable nature of the wind and the sovereign, mysterious workings of the Spirit. This analogy helps convey the profound truth that the new birth, while essential for entering the kingdom of God, is beyond human manipulation and understanding. The passage emphasizes the need for trust in God’s sovereign work and the acceptance of the mysterious nature of spiritual transformation.

You are mischaracterizing me sister--see how you are misquoting this verse, ripping it out of context-really trying to sound so "mystical"
Joh 3:4 “How “Πῶς can δύναται a man ἄνθρωπος be born γεννηθῆναι when he is ὤν; old? γέρων - ὁ Nicodemus Νικόδημος asked Λέγει - πρὸς - . αὐτὸν vvv μὴ “Can he δύναται enter εἰσελθεῖν . . . εἰς - τὴν - τῆς his αὐτοῦ mother’s μητρὸς womb κοιλίαν a second time δεύτερον - καὶ to be born?” γεννηθῆναι;
Joh 3:5 Jesus Ἰησοῦς answered Ἀπεκρίθη - , (ὁ) “Truly, “Ἀμὴν truly, ἀμὴν I tell λέγω you, σοι, no οὐ one τις can δύναται enter εἰσελθεῖν . . . εἰς the τὴν kingdom βασιλείαν - τοῦ of God Θεοῦ. unless ἐὰν . . . μή he is born γεννηθῇ of ἐξ water ὕδατος and καὶ [the] Spirit. Πνεύματος,
Joh 3:6 Flesh σάρξ is ἐστιν, - τὸ born γεγεννημένον of ἐκ - τῆς flesh, σαρκὸς [but] καὶ spirit πνεῦμά is ἐστιν. - τὸ born γεγεννημένον of ἐκ the τοῦ Spirit. Πνεύματος
Joh 3:7 vvv μὴ Do not be amazed θαυμάσῃς that ὅτι I said εἶπόν - , σοι ‘You ὑμᾶς must ‘Δεῖ be born γεννηθῆναι again.’ ἄνωθεν.
Joh 3:8 The τὸ wind πνεῦμα blows πνεῖ, where ὅπου it wishes. θέλει - καὶ You hear ἀκούεις, - τὴν its αὐτοῦ sound, φωνὴν but ἀλλ’ vvv οὐκ you do not know οἶδας where πόθεν it comes {from} ἔρχεται [or] καὶ where ποῦ it is going. ὑπάγει· So οὕτως it is ἐστὶν with everyone πᾶς - ὁ born γεγεννημένος of ἐκ the τοῦ Spirit.” Πνεύματος.
Joh 3:9 “How “Πῶς can δύναται this ταῦτα be?” γενέσθαι; Nicodemus Νικόδημος asked Ἀπεκρίθη . . . καὶ . . . εἶπεν . . . . αὐτῷ

1) "The wind bloweth where it listeth," (to pneuma hopou thelei pnei) "The spirit (wind) blows where it wishes," or where it likes; though it is invisible, it is real, operating, ever active for the life and good of every living creature in the universe.

2) "And thou hearest the sound thereof," (kai ten phonen autou akoueis) "And you hear the sound of it," have audible as well as sensory evidence of its existence and presence, from the gentle breeze to its cyclone, tornado, or hurricane force and sound.

3) "But canst not tell whence it cometh," (all' ouk oidas pothen erchetai) "But you do not perceive or comprehend from where it comes," of its own accord, if in silent form, or gale force and sound. Its origin or source has a mystifying influence on all.

4) "And whither it goeth:”- (kai pou hupagei) "And where it goes," when it lays, becomes silent, yet present.

5) "So is every one that is born of the Spirit.'' (houtos estin pas ho gegennemenos ek tou pneumatos) "Similar to, or like this, is everyone who has been and is born of the Spirit." A natural mother, as a Christian woman, can not and does not give birth to a Christian baby or child. All infants are born of the flesh, with the inherent, sinful nature of the flesh nature of the parent, Psa_51:5; Psa_58:3; Jas_1:15; Eph_2:3.
This is why every person of responsible age mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, must be born again to enter heaven. The birth of the Spirit, like the blowing of the wind, is of supernatural power, supernatural conviction, and supernatural quickening. Though it is mysterious, as the blowing of the wind, it is real, Joh_6:63; 2Co_3:6; Rom_8:2-3; Rom_8:9; Ecc_11:5.


Shalom, allow me some space since you now conveniently "forget" the gifts and where to find them in Scriptures.

The point is that this passage is not just talking about the process of being born of the Spirit, but also the new nature of the one who is born of the Spirit.............."so IS everyone who is born of the Spirit".......we now have the same nature as the Spirit who blows where it willeth and may manifest this at any time the Lord wills.

 

[amigo de christo]

1. John 14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."

The Holy Spirit is described as a teacher who will remind believers of Jesus' teachings.
2. John 16:13
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."

The Holy Spirit guides believers into all truth and reveals future things.
3. 1 Corinthians 2:12-14
"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

The Holy Spirit enables believers to understand and discern spiritual truths.
4. Romans 8:14
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God."

Believers are led by the Holy Spirit, signifying their identity as God's children.
5. Galatians 5:16-18
"I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."

Walking in the Spirit helps believers overcome the desires of the flesh.
6. Galatians 5:22-23
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law."

The Holy Spirit produces godly character and virtues in believers' lives.
7. Ephesians 5:18
"And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit."

Believers are encouraged to be filled with the Holy Spirit, contrasting it with being controlled by external substances.
8. 1 John 2:27
"But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him."

The anointing of the Holy Spirit teaches believers and helps them abide in Christ.
9. Acts 1:8
"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."

The Holy Spirit empowers believers to be effective witnesses for Christ.
10. Romans 8:26-27
"Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

The Holy Spirit helps believers in their weaknesses and intercedes for them according to God's will.
Conclusion
These scriptures collectively highlight the essential role of the Holy Spirit in teaching, guiding, empowering, and interceding for believers. By relying on the Holy Spirit, believers can understand scripture more deeply, live godly lives, and fulfill their calling in Christ.

One thing i know the HOLY SPIRIT would never do . LIE .
Aint that the TRUTH my friend .
One thing i know the HOLY SPIRIT would never testify of , IS any other way to GOD but BY BELIEF IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
that too is a fact .
IN FACT , what would the HOLY SPIRIT DO . CONFIRM EVERY WORD JESUS EVER SPOKE . bring to mind the things HE said
HE taught . IT would never contradict , never try and say oh this or that was for another age and no longer applies to us today .
THAT AINT the HOLY GHOST . it be another ghost , another spirit , a lie and a liar too . This lamb WONT HEED
its men . THE BIBLE IS MY BOOK . now its true i didnt write it , BUT BY GOLLY ME IS GONNA READ IT AND STAY IN IT .
As i am sure you do agree . SO allow me
to remind us all of something . I SHUN the all inclusive diverse FAKE LOVE LIE TO HADES .
AND I shall stand on the TRUE GOSPEL
the one that SAID YE MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS , YE MUST CONFESS HIM BY MOUTH , BELIEVING HE DID RISE FROM THE DEAD .
and ALL things HE said and later the aposetls wrote , STILL APPLY TODAY as much as they did back then . ER WORD .
I also stand on the fact that THERE Was NOT TWO GOSPELS
BUT ONLY ONE GOSPEL and it got preached to jews and to gentiles .
THAT GOD put no difference between them , the gentile and us , the jew as peter wrote
but that we aer justified BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS , made one . ONE ISRAEL , ONE JERSUALEM , ONE ZION
ONE GOD and FATHER of all who truly do believe in THE SON WHOM HE DID SEND . all else IS OUTSIDE
and lest it repent to believe on JESUS THE CHRIST , IT GOTS NO ACCESS IN , NO garments
no covering , and thus the message must be and must remain , ITS DIRE NECESSARY TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and to preach that message and all things HE DID teach . Nutting else gonna save .
How then can man be saved . NOTICE JESUS did not say OH BY FINDING COMMON GROUND and getting along and doing
some good works . HE said WITH MAN ITS IMPOSSIBLE
but NOT WITH GOD . AND GUESS WHAT GOD predetermined on how to save the world
BY THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL , that all who do BELIEVE would be saved . NOW
IF GOD predetermined that , WHO are we to say otherwise . exactly .

 

[Johann]

we now have the same nature as the Spirit who blows where it willeth and may manifest this at any time the Lord wills.

Believers are called to live in harmony with their new nature and to be open to the Spirit’s leading, but they do not control or dictate how the Spirit operates. Correct?

 

[Johann]

One thing i know the HOLY SPIRIT would never do . LIE .
Aint that the TRUTH my friend .
One thing i know the HOLY SPIRIT would never testify of , IS any other way to GOD but BY BELIEF IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
that too is a fact .
IN FACT , what would the HOLY SPIRIT DO . CONFIRM EVERY WORD JESUS EVER SPOKE . bring to mind the things HE said
HE taught . IT would never contradict , never try and say oh this or that was for another age and no longer applies to us today .
THAT AINT the HOLY GHOST . it be another ghost , another spirit , a lie and a liar too . This lamb WONT HEED
its men . THE BIBLE IS MY BOOK . now its true i didnt write it , BUT BY GOLLY ME IS GONNA READ IT AND STAY IN IT .
As i am sure you do agree . SO allow me
to remind us all of something . I SHUN the all inclusive diverse FAKE LOVE LIE TO HADES .
AND I shall stand on the TRUE GOSPEL
the one that SAID YE MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS , YE MUST CONFESS HIM BY MOUTH , BELIEVING HE DID RISE FROM THE DEAD .
and ALL things HE said and later the aposetls wrote , STILL APPLY TODAY as much as they did back then . ER WORD .
I also stand on the fact that THERE Was NOT TWO GOSPELS
BUT ONLY ONE GOSPEL and it got preached to jews and to gentiles .
THAT GOD put no difference between them , the gentile and us , the jew as peter wrote
but that we aer justified BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS , made one . ONE ISRAEL , ONE JERSUALEM , ONE ZION
ONE GOD and FATHER of all who truly do believe in THE SON WHOM HE DID SEND . all else IS OUTSIDE
and lest it repent to believe on JESUS THE CHRIST , IT GOTS NO ACCESS IN , NO garments
no covering , and thus the message must be and must remain , ITS DIRE NECESSARY TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and to preach that message and all things HE DID teach . Nutting else gonna save .
How then can man be saved . NOTICE JESUS did not say OH BY FINDING COMMON GROUND and getting along and doing
some good works . HE said WITH MAN ITS IMPOSSIBLE
but NOT WITH GOD . AND GUESS WHAT GOD predetermined on how to save the world
BY THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL , that all who do BELIEVE would be saved . NOW
IF GOD predetermined that , WHO are we to say otherwise . exactly .

Just don't forget to mention the role of the Holy Spirit in the believer--seems He is a stranger in many professing Christians.

 

[amigo de christo]

Believers are called to live in harmony with their new nature and to be open to the Spirit’s leading, but they do not control or dictate how the Spirit operates. Correct?

and how are we living in harmony with the NEW SPIRIT created nature , aka divine nature
if we are walking according to the flesh . WE AINT .
something this church age seemeth to forget as it seemth to over look sins
seems to overlook the dire necessity of beliving on CHRIST JESUS .
too many think we are living in harmony with GOD , IF we just get along , wont correct sin
wont and dont even have to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST .
That aint living in harmony with GOD . ITS LIVING in harmony with the dark one who
always has desired to be AS GOD and thus to get the worship and to keep the worship
He keeps them in bondage to sin , to unbelief of what GOD said and WHOM GOD testiified of
and of WHAT CHRIST said . That is BONDAGE , NOT FREEDOM .
but then who ever said satan does set captives free . rather he makes them think they are free
FREE To sin , free to serve the flesh , free to believe as they wilt . BUT again , SATAN IS A LIAR
and the FATHER OF LIES he surely be .

 

[Episkopos]

beware of epi . I notice he seems to constantly try and reason with you .
Take no heed to that other gospel they now sell my dear sister .

LOL. Beware of the truth. Sure. And I don't think there is much chance that people who have adopted a gospel based on self-interest are going to all of a sudden be motivated to surrender to Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Just don't forget to mention the role of the Holy Spirit in the believer--seems He is a stranger in many professing Christians.

OH i do my friend . BUT thanks for the reminder . we sure dont want to think we the power now do we .
WE but , before i say this cause i know it will offend let me just say ITS TRUE , FLEAS on a dog .
MERELY the wee things saved by THE MERCY OF THE ONE TRUE GOD given us in JESUS THE CHRIST .
WE AINT THE POWER , WE AINT GOD , we aint squat . what we are is IN TOTAL AND DIRE NEED OF HIM
every day , hour and minute .
and about the ONLY THING we can do without him , IS FAIL and fall far far short .
NOW I know folks want to beleive we some great thing
BUT man a lie wont be allowed on my watch . WE AINT SQUAT
GOD IS , CHRIST IS the ALL IN ALL and the ONE WHO HOLDS THE POWER
and giveth such things by HIS SPIRIT as we have need of to BETTER SERVE HIM and not self .

 

[Johann]

and how are we living in harmony with the NEW SPIRIT created nature , aka divine nature
if we are walking according to the flesh . WE AINT .
something this church age seemeth to forget as it seemth to over look sins
seems to overlook the dire necessity of beliving on CHRIST JESUS .
too many think we are living in harmony with GOD , IF we just get along , wont correct sin
wont and dont even have to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST .
That aint living in harmony with GOD . ITS LIVING in harmony with the dark one who
always has desired to be AS GOD and thus to get the worship and to keep the worship
He keeps them in bondage to sin , to unbelief of what GOD said and WHOM GOD testiified of
and of WHAT CHRIST said . That is BONDAGE , NOT FREEDOM .
but then who ever said satan does set captives free . rather he makes them think they are free
FREE To sin , free to serve the flesh , free to believe as they wilt . BUT again , SATAN IS A LIAR
and the FATHER OF LIES he surely be .

How many words a minute can you type? Or are you using your computer to type? Heck, you are a speedy one!

 

[amigo de christo]

How many words a minute can you type? Or are you using your computer to type? Heck, you are a speedy one!

i can type fast , but as you see that is why my fingers often fat key , mispell , misplace and etc .
MOST folks think i lack grammer and punctuation and etc . NO i just type fast
and thus its ripe with mispellings and grammar errors .

 

[amigo de christo]

How many words a minute can you type? Or are you using your computer to type? Heck, you are a speedy one!

too speedy at times my friend .

 

[Johann]

OH i do my friend . BUT thanks for the reminder . we sure dont want to think we the power now do we .
WE but , before i say this cause i know it will offend let me just say ITS TRUE , FLEAS on a dog .
MERELY the wee things saved by THE MERCY OF THE ONE TRUE GOD given us in JESUS THE CHRIST .
WE AINT THE POWER , WE AINT GOD , we aint squat . what we are is IN TOTAL AND DIRE NEED OF HIM
every day , hour and minute .
and about the ONLY THING we can do without him , IS FAIL and fall far far short .
NOW I know folks want to beleive the some great thing
BUT man a lie wont be allowed on my watch . WE AINT SQUAT
GOD IS , CHRIST IS the ALL IN ALL and the ONE WHO HOLDS THE POWER
and giveth such things by HIS SPIRIT as we have need of to BETTER SERVE HIM and not self .

Dependence on God
John 15:5:
“I am the vine; you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.”

This verse underscores that apart from Christ, we can accomplish nothing. Our effectiveness and fruitfulness depend entirely on our connection to Him.
2 Corinthians 3:5:
“Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God.”

Our sufficiency and capability come from God alone, not from our own abilities.
Philippians 4:13:
“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.”

Even though we have strength in Christ, it’s crucial to recognize that this strength is derived from Him, not from our own power.
God’s Sovereignty and Power
Isaiah 40:28-29:
“Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He neither faints nor is weary. His understanding is unsearchable. He gives power to the weak, and to those who have no might He increases strength.”

God is the source of all power and strength. We are dependent on His strength to sustain us.
Romans 11:36:
“For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.”

Everything comes from God, is sustained by Him, and ultimately is for His glory. We are simply recipients of His grace and power.
Humility and Service
James 4:6:
“But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: ‘God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.’”

Humility is essential in our relationship with God. He gives grace to the humble, acknowledging our need for Him.

1 Corinthians 1:27-29:

“But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has c
hosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are— that no flesh should glory in His presence.”

God often uses what the world considers insignificant to achieve His purposes, ensuring that no one can boast in His presence.
Reliance on the Holy Spirit
Acts 1:8:
“But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

The power we have to serve and witness comes from the Holy Spirit. It is not our power but His working through us.
1 Corinthians 12:7:
“But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all.”

The gifts and manifestations of the Spirit are given for the benefit of the body of Christ, not for personal glory.
Conclusion
We are entirely dependent on God and His grace. Our ability to serve and accomplish anything of eternal value comes from His power and mercy. As you’ve rightly noted, without Him, we can do nothing. It’s important to maintain humility and recognize that all we have and do is through His grace and power.

 

[amigo de christo]

Just don't forget to mention the role of the Holy Spirit in the believer--seems He is a stranger in many professing Christians.

PS , i dont frankly care what the pope and this inclusive age might say or even says about ya ,
I loves ya my friend . NEVER GO in their direction .

 

[amigo de christo]

Dependence on God
John 15:5:
“I am the vine; you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.”

This verse underscores that apart from Christ, we can accomplish nothing. Our effectiveness and fruitfulness depend entirely on our connection to Him.
2 Corinthians 3:5:
“Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God.”

Our sufficiency and capability come from God alone, not from our own abilities.
Philippians 4:13:
“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.”

Even though we have strength in Christ, it’s crucial to recognize that this strength is derived from Him, not from our own power.
God’s Sovereignty and Power
Isaiah 40:28-29:
“Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He neither faints nor is weary. His understanding is unsearchable. He gives power to the weak, and to those who have no might He increases strength.”

God is the source of all power and strength. We are dependent on His strength to sustain us.
Romans 11:36:
“For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.”

Everything comes from God, is sustained by Him, and ultimately is for His glory. We are simply recipients of His grace and power.
Humility and Service
James 4:6:
“But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: ‘God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.’”

Humility is essential in our relationship with God. He gives grace to the humble, acknowledging our need for Him.
1 Corinthians 1:27-29:
“But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are— that no flesh should glory in His presence.”

God often uses what the world considers insignificant to achieve His purposes, ensuring that no one can boast in His presence.
Reliance on the Holy Spirit
Acts 1:8:
“But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

The power we have to serve and witness comes from the Holy Spirit. It is not our power but His working through us.
1 Corinthians 12:7:
“But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all.”

The gifts and manifestations of the Spirit are given for the benefit of the body of Christ, not for personal glory.
Conclusion
We are entirely dependent on God and His grace. Our ability to serve and accomplish anything of eternal value comes from His power and mercy. As you’ve rightly noted, without Him, we can do nothing. It’s important to maintain humility and recognize that all we have and do is through His grace and power.

ex and actly . We cant do squat , really even know squat , WITHOUT HIM , HIS SPIRIT .
For even HE drew us to CHRIST , even HE put the desires to please GOD upon our hearts .
As i love to say about the only thing we can attain too without him
Is what we first attained too without HIM . FAILURE , DARKNESS , LIES and more lies .
for by the carnal mind , well it cannot recieve the things of GOD now can it .
Something we might want to remind mr epi about . HE seemeth to think one can pick up his own cross
without having to First BELIEVE ON HE WHO WAS CRUCIFIED on SAID CROSS . AND BELEIVE YOU ME
i wont be heeding such men . PEROID .